So much respect to how professional and detailed your videos are, unfolding almost every possibility and aspect that could be part of any event. Cheers !

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you appreciate it!

@pilot709

2 жыл бұрын

@@GreenDotAviation As a professional pilot this is the first channel I find where aviation videos are made up to a high standard while putting everything on the table without being biased or making assumptions... just the actual scenario with possibilities. Respect !

@Monothefox

Жыл бұрын

@@GreenDotAviation Listening to this a year later: have there been any updates?

@crownkicker3609

3 ай бұрын

@@Monothefoxlistening 2 years later, any update?

The fact that the crew kept on with the flight and over-wrote the cockpit voice recorder gives an indication that the captain knew they fucked up and did not want that recording getting out. They knew that the tape would be written over, and they had plenty of time to think about it whilst the brakes cooled.

@ianmatthewkline8279

9 ай бұрын

I think this a reasonable interpretation and one that would definitely need to be answered for

I was on this flight on the night of Jan 9th 2022, returning to Hyderabad from Dubai EK 524...it was the most scariest experience of my life. Literally saw the other plane cross the runway infront of us on the screen after brakes were applied.. the brakes being applied at that speed surely was the scariest thing I've ever experienced.

@ashash2389

2 жыл бұрын

Omg......did they announce the incident to you passengers what just happend or why they breaked so hard and stopped??????? 😱😱😱

@richardganesh406

2 жыл бұрын

Bloody hell! That was a close call. Fate on your side that day. God bless.

@sharanyakedarnath4145

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashash2389 yes they did but only after heading back to the terminal. Said there was some miscommunication and they will be checking everything again and then only taking off.

@sharanyakedarnath4145

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardganesh406 yep 🤞🏽

@ashash2389

2 жыл бұрын

@@sharanyakedarnath4145 bloody hell 😱😱😱 so you got to know about this from media after you reached to your destination?????? How scary that might had been for you!!!!!

Taking off without permission is the main cause behind the Tenerife disaster. I’m surprised this wasn’t on newsflash! Big shoutout to the Air traffic controller who avoided disaster!

@SK1717

9 ай бұрын

In his mind he had already received the take off clearance Not his fault

13 years with emirates. 9 of them as a captain on the 777 and I can see something nasty is going to happen. Crew have always been in fear of loosing their job for just about anything at ek and since the last cull during covid, I know for a fact it's even worse. No one wants to report sick for fear of being targeted and nerves are strained. Boeing crew are working extremely hard because emirates haven't recalled any pilots for that fleet. It's just a minefield over there. Commercial aviation is hard enough on pilots but ek make it a nightmare. You are given the DVD with all the training docs when you arrived so you should know everything, completing it to 100% perfection and that is their go to answer if ever you get something wrong. We all know this is the wrong way to go about things. Don't even get me started on the cultural issues with local pilots and management vs the expats. Unions are illegal. Locals are never wrong. That's in ATC as well as the airline. You find local cadets getting to sit in the captains seat of a Boeing 777 with a fraction of the experience compared to the rest of the world. Look at the details from ek521 crash in 2016 and the A310 that almost hit the tower in 2000. I highly recommend flying with someone else. . . . or take a boat.

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your insight informations! Definetely not an airline with which I want to fly! I fear they could run out of good luck.

@AJ-yw5zy

2 жыл бұрын

100% correct, Locals come straight out of the acadamy with zero real life experience, ILS to ILS, they flip flop through the rosters, picking the easier routes, Winter time in the Western Hemisphere, snow, wind, rain, ice etc, very rarely you will get a local on these sectors. You can't even mention it, or flag it in, the local will have a discussion with another, it's a downward spiral. There will never be a public investigation, it will be smoothed over, nationalities will not be disclosed, the EK marketing machine videos will spew out, just look at the last one. They think were all dum!

@echo-trip-1

2 жыл бұрын

Arab culture

@alialajem4680

2 жыл бұрын

@@echo-trip-1 what do you mean by Arab culture?

@tumz5087

2 жыл бұрын

This is worrying...☹

Taking off without permission is a big mistake not a small mistake !

As a commercial pilot myself it's quite an easy trap to fall into - esp if you're tired/fatigued. Many times I can recall getting a clearance to enter the active RW and then confirming with the tower if we're cleared for take off. Those moments prior to take off can be quite busy, a lot of radio chatter, completing the before TO check list etc etc. If in any doubt, always confirm if there is a clearance.

@anniedcruz7025

2 жыл бұрын

Good job Sir, 👍 many lives saved because of your right decision to reconfirming .

@scaramonga

2 жыл бұрын

One shouldn't be flying if fatigued/tired, period!, so there should be no trap to fall into, simple. All pilots should be fresh, alert, in sync, and not easily distracted. Had this cost the lives of 700+, then what I've said holds true, but just because it didn't, holds true even more so ;) It's a disaster that happened, even though, all survived, with the flip side of the coin being unthinkable.

@mark_mark24

2 жыл бұрын

@@scaramonga You make an extremely valid point and one that ran through my mind as I wrote the above. In aviation airlines shall bang on relentlessly about, 'our number one priority is safety' - it's not, it's money. As such most airlines I've worked for get extremely upset if you report sick/fatigued. There is a massive amount of commercial pressure on all crew and the fact is, airlines (at least in Europe) shall make your life extremely difficult if you're sick/fatigued too much. Personally I've been in trouble more than once due to standing up for my rights to protect my own health and that of the operation. Sadly, a lot of crew succumb to the pressure. To say I have a negative view of airline management is an understatement.

@jason21jburg

2 жыл бұрын

If truck drivers have to adhere to a working time directive why cannot this be enforced on pilots. I know of some ek pilots doing many back to backs

@mark_mark24

2 жыл бұрын

@@jason21jburg Pilots have the same sort of limitations, known as 'flight time limitations'. Unfortunately these are, in my opinion, as well a large number of my contemporaries, biased towards the commercial demands of the operators as opposed to flight safety. If any pilot complains you'll hear, 'but it's all legal' the clear inference is that the pilot is somehow problematic. To actually nail an accident down to fatigue caused by commercial pressure is almost impossible. If there is any evidence the accident was caused by fatigue the airline shall merely remark that the pilot should have reported sick and that they have a fatigue management system in place. The reality for pilots however is very different as I've seen a number of times first hand.

Emirates is facing a lot of difficulties these past 2 months

@smith_got_keys_1738

2 жыл бұрын

@Ben Chuft for sure mate... Its sad 😔 & everyone is flocking to dubai for the Expo

@ActiveAussie2024

2 жыл бұрын

I 've only flown with them once. Mostly used Qantas, Thai, and China Southern for business and pleasure up till March 2020. Won't be using Qantas anymore in future, but not because of safety concerns.

@Tomtom88983

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest (unfortunately) I think it's expected due to lack of recency from pilots due to COVID. pilots aren't flying as much, or are recently only just beginning to fly again. There was also a near miss in Europe where an American airliner nearly landed on the runway an Easyjet A320 was about to depart on.

@CW-rx2js

5 ай бұрын

​@@ActiveAussie2024 Yeah Qantas is the world's safest airline

Between this, the runway overrun in December, and the January 18th diversion to St Petersburg, Emirates isn’t looking their best right now.

@TranAvia_Tranex

2 жыл бұрын

its getting less safe

@sidkhan3758

2 жыл бұрын

That's that shit 777 fault for Jan 18

@Proparkourgamer

2 жыл бұрын

I choose Etihad Airways over Emirates Airways.

@callofdutybros100

2 жыл бұрын

When covid started, emirates laid off most of their expat pilots, who were the most experienced in their fleet, in order to save the local emirati pilots, who lack the same experience/training quality (alot of emirates' old expat pilots were ex fighter pilots as well as experienced airline pilots). These increase in close calls isnt really a suprise, when you consider the vast majority of pilots still left at emirates, have much less flying time, I can only foresee this getting worse, as emirates continue to lay off experienced pilots, and it will only be a matter of time until the inevitable.

@Titot182

2 жыл бұрын

@@callofdutybros100 Something will unfortunately happen to trigger the paradigm shift in safety culture. So many near misses makes the bird triangle look somewhat critical. In 1977, it was very clear and apparent that Van Zanten was a complete and utter dick! If this was what was happening in the cockpit, then aviation has learnt nothing, but if it's human factor and psychology, then CRM and the culture will need a serious look at.

I totally admire you for being a "straight shooter" and not trying to sugarcoat things to try and not offend anyone. The world needs to know the cold, hard truth! Keep up the good work!!

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you appreciate it! ❤️

@LateNightCigars

6 ай бұрын

Yeah that's what that Mentour channel does, plays politics and tries not to offend anyone.

@freedomofspeech766

2 ай бұрын

Greendot and mentour are the best youtube channels I've come across@@LateNightCigars

I was a cabin crew in EK, left in 2014. The crew and pilots are being worked to death. CC fly 120h+/m and pilots fly way over the limits. EK writes their own rules, the Aviation authority of UAE belongs to the same person who owns the airline.. The flight time limitations are a load of horseshit, it's all written in such a way that the airline can bend these rules to suit its needs.

@aarondynamics1311

2 жыл бұрын

It is this type of culture which causes accidents and incidents. Fatigue is just as dangerous as alcohol and has similar effects such as increased reaction times and lack of attention, which leads to basic errors like forgetting to read back an ATC transmission. Combine that with poor CRM training and you have an accident just waiting to happen. As of right now they have never had a fatal accident but they have had plenty of incidents caused by pilot error over the years, many of which have come far too close to disaster. These near misses should act as a clear warning to Emirates about the dangers of poor CRM and overworking their crew

@weakneerose7614

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t they requires to get least 8 hours of sleep per day? I don’t even know how they’re able input logbook if they go over the limit without falsifying the data.

@honestymatters7516

2 жыл бұрын

@@weakneerose7614 the problem is Emirates Airlines do not follow the same rules. They make their own rules and get away with it. Soon they will have more than a neat miss at the rate they are going.

@AJ-yw5zy

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, well said!

@adw1z

13 күн бұрын

I believe it to be part of the Middle Eastern culture/etiquette unfortunately, the exact same is happening with Qatar airways too currently.. overworked staff, airlines only care about money over customers, slipping safety standards and work ethic is very poor. These are world class airlines, yet they all have these fundamental flaws deep down to their core - something must change

Something isn't right at Emirates. Let hope it gets addressed soon.

@ashvinikumar716

2 жыл бұрын

@path op reading other comments, it's more like they are facing consequences of laying off their more experienced expat pilots who were more experienced... Let's hope they recover before a catastrophic incident

@salmashaikh5339

2 жыл бұрын

@Alfred Weber plz dnt say dis my husband work for emirates he is cc....

@abeesohussain8389

Жыл бұрын

@@salmashaikh5339 is your husband emirati citizen?

@srinitaaigaura

Жыл бұрын

It's always management. Bloody incompetent bean counters.

I can’t believe how such a good airline had such a near incident. I’m a passenger on Emirates and I really love their service but later one night I returned from an Emirates flight. I was visiting family in Canada and was flying Emirates back to Dubai, and when I got home, I saw this notification pop up on basically every news app I had with very similar captions. Some of these are “Two Emirates flights nearly collide on takeoff, passengers shock on what they saw on their in-flight entertainment systems” or “Near collision of two Emirates Boeing 777s, what investigators found in the flight recorder was shocking”. The whole day I though about this. ‘How could such a good airline have such a bad near incident?..’ then I found this video. Explaining every single thing that happened. Keep up the good work!

@emirates777landatkittila

Жыл бұрын

This incident is mostly because of the atc and from that distance from both planes it would be hard for one pilot to see the other plane

@heinzmeier2

Жыл бұрын

@@emirates777landatkittila it‘s not ATC s fault, at max a contributing factor. Lack of situational awareness for both crews would describe it

@CW-rx2js

5 ай бұрын

Service doesn't matter as much of your safety is compromised. Personally, I find Emirates service to be overrated. I was flying in a group to Croatia on a vacation and they misplaced our luggage and delayed it by 2 days. our entire trip held up because of this and we weren't given any compensation. Since then I avoid Emirates. Personally I find Qatar Airways to be much better in terms of service.

I landed in Dubai this exact day on Emirates and was nervous due to the near-miss of the rooftops last month...now this! Terrifying

@leviisenia

2 жыл бұрын

I departed DXB a day before this incident, haha. My dad flies for EK and he believes that the reason is due to fatigue or just overall exhaustion.

@Matt-tufc

2 жыл бұрын

@@leviisenia christ. Hopefully these videos get seen by the airlines and they do something about it! They have a good reputation but it can change in an instant. I love these videos but when flying it makes me nervous 🤣

@leviisenia

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matt-tufc Agreed! haha, my father said that the overall safety aspect of the training could be better and the situation itself could be handled a lot better. I'm afraid EK will most likely blame the staff instead of their selves in order to keep their image.

@skahwa

2 жыл бұрын

it's just gna be a matter of time ⏲️....unsafe work culture 😤

@Planes-001

2 жыл бұрын

I departed 30 minutes before emirates flight 521 ( I think its 521) the crash in 2016

Yikes... another incident less than a month from the last; not looking good for the pilot training culture at Emirates. Kudos to the air traffic controller for paying such close attention and averting a disaster.

The ATC audio would make this video a 10/10. The tone and clarity of ATC here would already shed light on the expectation bias scenario.

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully we'll get access to the tapes eventually! Would love to include them here.

@PoochieCollins

Жыл бұрын

@@GreenDotAviation any follow-up on this case? I searched the Web a bit and found nothing about investigation conclusions.

I never heard of that one... if things continue as they are, a disaster is bound to happen

One other thing to consider, which seemed to happen with the Canary Island accident, was radio traffic being "stepped over." Both Emirate pilots could have broadcast their read back at the same moment. I experienced this often during my military service. I worked voice communications and two or three units/ships/stations would key the mic at the same time. I needed time to find out who was calling me and which instructions they were replying to. Could be the ATC heard a garbled reply and only thought it was the aircraft responding that it was cleared to cross the runway. But in reality both aircraft could have been replying simultaneously..?

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's definitely a possibility.

@MarkPentler

Жыл бұрын

Incidentally this is why AM is used on airband rather than FM, but it isn't perfect and you can't always hear both transmissions. But sometimes you can hear enough (say, ATC transmits over the top of a craft with a stuck mic)

After such a shocking experience I can't belive they were allowed to continue to fly that night. That is just as damming as the incident itself.

@pahvi3

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! The lack of oversight and correct procedure for a near-miss situation is baffling, and (some day) deadly.

@lisaa8795

2 жыл бұрын

@Matt Prosser What is the procedure? Doesn't it depend on the behavior of the flight crew: that they roll back to the terminal? Is there a procedure to stop them if they don't return?

@XDKnoori

2 жыл бұрын

@@pahvi3 .

@pahvi3

2 жыл бұрын

@@lisaa8795 Every country has different procedures pertaining to near miss incidents. ATC also have the authority to forbid a takeoff of course. Additionally airlines have their own safety procedures and should have guidelines about near misses. Regulatory agencies like the FAA also enforce different procedures (again, this is different in every country and agency). What I mean is that's it's absolutely horrifying that none of these instances could prevent this plane from taking off.

@josephconnor2310

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

Not specifically picking on Emirates, but with the onset of Covid and resulting flight cancellations. I had a fear of this sort of thing for the industry. Lack of experience/shifts, job security concerns, recurrency, etc. would cause operation issues like this.

@midou528

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I am a cabin crew at Emirates and I have noticed so much change after covid, many rookie pilots, shortage of staff and etc. I’m sure there will be a recovery soon tho

@engage3085

2 жыл бұрын

I hadn't thought of that part of it. I was definitely concerned about airlines cutting corners with maintenance like Alaska airlines. The less reputable companies may try to save a buck or two

I’m ex crew at Emirates and fatigue is a major issue there.

@bogo_wanderlust3692

Жыл бұрын

I guess it is something general in arabian flights also qatar and etihad may have similar situation

@kuro9410_ilust

Жыл бұрын

@@bogo_wanderlust3692 arabs with their oil rich ego that's why

I always hated flying from Europe to Asia with Emirates.... All flights stop in Dubai in the middle of the night and there is always this very artificial excitement within the airport that has always seemed so unnatural to me in the middle of the night. I also remember a flight from Cyprus to Dubai and the cabin crew was so busy recollecting their couple days off that we took off with half of the overhead luggage compartments open. And when they realized it, they seemed as this was normal or they couldn't care less. Not a danger to the whole aircraft but still pretty sure that's not supposed to happen

@CW-rx2js

5 ай бұрын

Of course that's not supposed to happen and that's a key part of a flight attendant's job. It can be very dangerous during take off, landing and turbulence and cause luggage to fall out and injure people.

Given the lack of crew resource management displayed by Emirates of late and over time, don't think I would ever fly with them.

@greggstrasser5791

2 жыл бұрын

You can cut the steak with a fork.

@simongx1553

2 жыл бұрын

bruh emirates is the best airplane i always fly with them

@777guy5

2 жыл бұрын

For now i reccomend to stop flying with emirates until they fix the problem

@africanayasmin6210

Жыл бұрын

@@777guy5 they will never fix any problems! Is a cultural thing in the muddle east and other third world countries. They don’t follow any rules . Your safety is at risk flying these airlines

Very worrying. In this day and age you'd expect voice recordings to be available for days or weeks. The reliance solely on radio instructions is also a worry. I wonder has runway takeoff lighting signals ever been considered to run in parallel with voice instruction from the tower? Probably give the ATC too much work.

@jensaugust743

2 жыл бұрын

While the "black box" CVR indeed has been overwritten, the cockpit voice recordings are still available for download from the acquisition unit days after the incident. Which presumably has been done.

Strange… No 1. Emirates plane nearly crashes into buildings No 2. Emirates plane’s nearly collide? No 3. Emirates Aircraft diverted to St. Pet (Russia) ? Strange… Many Emirates incidents occurring recently

@dactrr

Жыл бұрын

Saint Petersburg

I was in Dubai on the day this incident happened, and there was not ONE WORD in the local media about it. Not in the local newspapers, not on TV, not on local websites. People were only able to find out via foreign media outlets.

@d.b.cooper1

11 ай бұрын

I mean this isn’t uncommon globally, can think of countless recent events in USA which never made any news other than aviation sites etc.

These close calls are nearly more sinister than actualised accidents. The fear is that near-misses don't result in the same level of scrutiny, national and FAA reports, recommendations to the industry. In this case, Readbacks to be mandatory until take-off, maybe aspects of the checklists to be in a more complete state before runway crossings, ... Readbacks are the last chance for confirmation bias to be interrupted - "No, you're wrong....".

@EannaButler

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on the human voice too over lo-fi radio, it needs to be supported by technology solution, a remotely-controlled system of clearances that appear as lights on the instruments - maybe including tracking the taxiway using GPS , "In 40 meters, turn right".

@greggstrasser5791

2 жыл бұрын

@@EannaButler To much money. Just have a red, yellow, green sign.

@jtveg

2 жыл бұрын

@@EannaButler That is an excellent idea and something that could be easily and affordably implemented by airports and aircrafts as part of the transponder system. As simple only 3 LEDs indicating red=stop, yellow=taxi, and green=takeoff clearance. That could be the basic system and more complex systems with text and integration that won't allow or warning horn notifying you the PIC that they are turning on the wrong taxiway etc...

@weakneerose7614

2 жыл бұрын

@@jtveg sad thing is there is already Light system in the airport. It is call REL/THL “Runway Entrance Light/Takeoff Hold Light. Unfortunately in this case pilot missed both communication and airport light. Cpt of this flight won’t be flying for very long time or possibly terminated for the incident for sure. Runway incursion between two aircraft must be reported.

@polvereoro86

2 жыл бұрын

@@greggstrasser5791 good for night but not for daylight

Very few subservient First Officers will question the Aircraft Captains authority in the Middle East or Asia. Absolute arrogance...

@TheHobade

Жыл бұрын

True, but they are famous for backstabbing with the confidential reporting scheme.

Great video. Back years ago, we enjoyed the M11 high speed exit from 30L (to private apron) until someone hotfooted onto 30R in front of departing Singapore Airlines and ended that great shortcut. The importance of "home base focus" might be an issue as some EK crew could be (and probably are) over-tired and less vigilant at the airport they operate out of every day.

From what I have heard before regarding working at Emirates, this issue is part of a broader problem including the pressure the staff is under. The continuation of the flight could be a deliberate action for avoid major sanctions due to less evidence being available. I would suggest a few very logical steps that could and should have been take decades ago: -1- The voice recorder should have capacity for 48 hours of recording as well as the flight data recorder. -2- The recorded data must be uploaded to a server for long term storage (10years). -3- The recorded data must be made available not only for investigations but also for evaluation and training purposes. -4- Those freaking prehistoric radios must be replaced with modern clear sounding radios. The old crappy system can be used as a backup and during the transition period. -5- Basic messages related to landing and takeoff should also be transmitted digitally and displayed on the main monitor of both the flying and the monitoring pilot. -6- And for the morons: place traffic lights on and next to the runways.

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@olaflieser3812

2 жыл бұрын

Why yes you are right! All of the points you've risen. Can only give you one "Like" though. It is totally amazing just how behind aviation is in some ways, including with some technology. Amazing: "Traffic lights", sort of, or in this case underfloor lights - a bar of red lights across the TWY, cannot be missed - are used in Europe (and maybe elsewhere) at the hold-short position on taxiways, so as to avoid wrong rwy crossings - why not on a runway itself to visibly disallow departure by the TWR until the actual clearance is issued?

@intuitivAviationnews

2 жыл бұрын

@@olaflieser3812 There will be many excuses to why changes is not possible or difficult, but the fact is, changes are been implemented all the time and some really need to be implemented sooner than later, especially with some technology having matured already.

@kimcelarmycx229

2 жыл бұрын

5. This is already done in a handful of cases using the ACARS system. The 777, A350, 787 show a map on the airport on the ground including taxiways and can alert pilots if they're taking off on the wrong runway. 4. The radios in the air on the aircraft itself and from ATC are much clearer than the recordings from the ground by LiveATC. The reason why the recordings of ATC we hear are so staticy and poor quality is that they come from radio scanners inside people's houses who provide this as a live feed for enthusiasts

Great but shocking video , so well narrated and with all the details and potential scenarios . Well done

Yikes. I’ve flown Emirates many times and had no idea things were this bad.

@thehighlander959

2 жыл бұрын

Same here over one million air miles too.

@heartfeltteaching

2 жыл бұрын

@Alfred Weber Okay. I'm not a pilot so not sure what you're referring to.

@DEEDEE-xh3dh

2 жыл бұрын

@Alfred Weber where?

Again so clear .. huge respect to the amount of work that was used to create this

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Another nice video. "May not be long before their (Emirates) luck runs out". Yeah, I'm afraid you are correct.

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Fingers crossed these incidents serve as wake-up calls.

As expected phenomenal video and even great descriptions and speculations of what could have gone wrong . I was eagerly waiting for this to come out . Great work !!

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 😎

There should be absolutely no room for words like "misheard" or "misspoken" or "misunderstood' when you have the responsibility of hundreds of lives and millions are at stake. And I mean all the guys who say or hear or are involved in any other way to influence the actions during any phase of the flight. This is carelessness and should be dealt with ruthlessly with the highest order of punishment.

LAX has red centre line lights in front of aircraft waiting to take off when another aircraft is crossing. Would appear to be a cheap additional safety measure.

@ActiveAussie2024

2 жыл бұрын

That's good to know. Sydney and BKK airports should do this too. Both confusing and dangerous.

@BobbyGeneric145

2 жыл бұрын

Runway Status Lights. Literally ATC cannot override them.

@aarondynamics1311

2 жыл бұрын

This feature should be mandatory for every airport

@JeanClaudeCOCO

2 жыл бұрын

I see it happen all the times on Airline Videos Live at LAX at night. Even in the day the lights come on.

That’s a scary close call! Wow these videos of yours are amazing!!!

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Way too close. And thanks! 😊

Take-off clearance should also be accompanied by the wind, whereas a crossing instruction will not. Obstacle detection systems that automatically show a red stop bar across the runway in situations like this already exist, and might have helped here.

@auwz66

2 жыл бұрын

Runway occupation lights are used at quite a few airports in the US. I would have thought somewhere like DXB would have had them

"their" luck? Surely the luck that will run out will be that of passengers on board one of the flights! Excellent video, as always. Thanks!

I was on a Emirates flight from London to Dubai and then on to Bangkok around 17 years ago, as we were coming into land at Dubai it was all normal , we were told too fasten our seat belts , you could feel the plane slowly descending and slowing down when all of a sudden the engines went into full power and we started climbing rapidly and steeply, the captain came on the tannoy system and calmly as anything said " Sorry ladies and Gentlemen there was a plane still on the runway"

@CrazyPanda688

Ай бұрын

Lmao the announcement sounds so casual 😂

Another fantastic video and commentary 👍👏🙌

Excellent video, amazing graphics, likely correct conclusions.

Awesome presentation bro. Really good. I closed my eyes while listening to ur description and felt like I was witnessing it.

I didn't even know that I was on the flight headed to Bengaluru until I confirmed the flight number and date. I was returning home after an amazing 5 day holiday in Dubai. It's insane how close to dying I was!

I love ur channel and work ! Subscribed for life

Keep going mate!

earlier this year 2 domestic indigo airline flights flying over bengaluru almost collided mid air the same month this had happened

00:02 man idk why but this song makes me sooo greatful to be alive

This is really worrying the near accidents are starting to occur way too often… now. Like when I was flying out of Dubai a couple weeks ago I had a bit of fear from the near miss crash on buildings

@danielsfedoreks2479

2 жыл бұрын

Flying to Dubai in couple of weeks with the a380. Honestly not really enjoying these incidents

@AH-bs5wr

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielsfedoreks2479 a380 is safer, only very professional pilots fly it u don’t have to be worry lol

@africanayasmin6210

Жыл бұрын

@@AH-bs5wr no they are using their local emirati freshly out of school to fly these planes, with not so much experience! You are better off with a western airlines

@AH-bs5wr

Жыл бұрын

@@africanayasmin6210 my uncle is Greek Professional pilot that flies a380 , U r being fooled my boy

@aseem7w9

11 ай бұрын

​@@AH-bs5wrthe standards for foreigners is much higher than local emirates citizens, both in 777 and 380

This is very disturbing. It’s a 777 and a major international airline. This should be all over the news that two jumbo jets by same airline almost collided.

Great video! Thank You!!

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video, nice sim! I expected this modern airport to be fitted with the stop light system. (sorry forgot the name). I would have given the B777 at the beginning of the runway a red bar of lights when the other B777 was crossing the runway. Luckily this time it went all right.

Here's a stupid question: why don't they put traffic lights on the runways? - red = no ground traffic allowed (e.g. because the runway is closed/not in use, or an aircraft is landing) - yellow = ground traffic cleared to enter the runway (or cross it/taxi on it) - green = aircraft is cleared for take off You could even add a big light at both ends of the runway, so incoming traffic knows they should go around if the big light isn't red.

Great video thanks! Are you going to do a video on the Tenerife incident?

This is disgusting how they tried to take off without clearance or at least reading it back. Worse is how they decided it would be a good idea to fly afterwards.

Was in flight 524 that night taking basinet seats with a screen in front of us and seeing the other plane crossing the runway and brakes being applied so hard .. everything happened in a moment . I remember flight pilot announcing later that it is the other flight mistake

How can I record a hundred movies on a drive the size of my wallet and they record the cockpit voice recorder on a 2 hour loop? What am I missing ?

Just watched this random "here watch this " suggested channel...wow! Flown Emirates quite a few times Glasgow, Dubai, Singapore... No issues...but then as passengers you never get to hear about them!... Thankfully flying Singapore airlines next time from Manchester... Great channel...and new sub👍

Love your videos! Keep it up! Are there any updates on this incident? Have the tapes been released?

@GreenDotAviation

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! I’m not sure actually, I’ll have to check!

about half the time, i get "cleared to cross rwy 31L". it's much more common than you assume.

Production quality is amazing.

@GreenDotAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Very clear explanation of the events. Yes, I understand the circumstances under which they thought they were cleared when they were not. However, to pretend nothing unusual happened and to continue the flight as normal was irresponsible, criminal behavior of the crew. If the airline officials did not take action against this, then they are also harderned criminals.

First thing I thought of when I heard the description of what happened was "Tenerife". Very eerie.

Very well done...

As an air traffic controller the winds are relayed with any takeoff clearance. Either before or after the departure runway is transmitted. Such as “wind 020 at 7 runway 30R cleared for takeoff. Or runway 30R winds 020 at 7. A lot of the time the crews are given a heading (fly runway heading) along with the rest of the takeoff clearance. I can understand the bias to a point but you are correct with never using “clear or cleared” aside for landing and takeoff. Also, the work cleared FOR takeoff and cleared TO land. For and to will not be interchangeable to help with the basic phraseology to avoid confusion. Great video!!

Imagine very nearly causing Tenerife 2.0 and then just casually taking off half an hour later like nothing happened...

@greggstrasser5791

2 жыл бұрын

How do you do that? Hang out at the end of the runway & get behind someone?

@robertj5208

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't they need to test their brakes, by regulation?

@evanm8282

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao, I’ll assume you’ve never flown a jet or worked for an airline. If you think pilots should return to gate to meditate on their actions every time they make a mistake. Almost all airlines would close down over night. Should they have gone back to the gate for time out? And for how long? Lol.

@lisaa8795

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanm8282 Not just a mistake. Your attitude would seem to indicate there have been a lot more of these. That's a pretty scary prospect for a passenger to consider.

@evanm8282

2 жыл бұрын

@@lisaa8795 true however all businesses are like this. Go talk to any nurse or doctor and you’ll never want to step foot in a hospital. There is just some jobs that involve a ton of risk and you have to mitigate it, but it never works 100%

the (potentially) lack of read back is the most worrying thing. that i the best safeguard against mistakes.

Thanks for the video. Here the details were suppressed and we came to know after few days that "something happened". Its a major blunder and even major is letting the flights involved continue without investigation

I almost booked tickets with Emirates and just thought to see what's happening at Emirates on KZread before paying. I saw this news and people talking in comments about something similar happened recently so definitely not going with them ever!

Never had an issue flying with emirates.. 2 times in a month is scary. I get the feeling the 3rd won't be so

Would love to see you do a video on loganair 6780 due to its staggering reason as to why it DIDNT crash into the sea

Can someone please explain this to me. I have an app on my phone that can track each aircraft in the sky, speed , heading and altitude. If I can have that on my phone why can’t pilots have some kind of display of all aircraft around them like I have on my phone. That way these pilots might have seen the other plane crossing the runway when they were about to take off. I know all aircraft have TCAS but that only warns pilots if one plane is getting to close for comfort. So why don’t aircraft have a screen that can display all other traffic around them like I have on my phone app

@TheHobade

Жыл бұрын

They do. But are inhibited on the ground to avoid nuisance TCAS warnings! TCAS is still used for ground radar.

Another possibility is Controller: EK5-- Cleared to cross RWY30R Both aircraft read back at the same time (one reads back cleared takeoff RWY30R and the other cleared to cross RWY30R) with the crossing aircraft a little slower on the readback. This results in garbled transmission followed by the correct call sign. The controller would then try figure out who else was talking and since the aircraft crosses the runway they got the instruction. The controller would then be watching the crossing aircraft (at the other end of the RWY) to see when they can issue the take off clearance, hence the delay in noticing the aircraft rolling for takeoff. Both aircraft would then begin to move as both flight decks believe they have been cleared to carry their respective actions on RWY30R.

The word Cleared is no longer used in runway crossings. The act of giving crossing is not a clearance but an instruction, thus ATC would say "Cross Rwy03R, not cleared to cross". This was changed by ICAO many years ago.

Almost another Tenerife. As mentioned by others, because of the break due to Covid some skills are a bit rusty. Some refresher courses/ simulator time might be needed.

@christopherdoherty9274

2 жыл бұрын

Crews where all current in these incidents

@BobbyGeneric145

2 жыл бұрын

Appropriate username for the comments on this video.

@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

2 жыл бұрын

Except these two aircraft never even got close to each other

Emirates is a multi-cultural entity with pilots having widely varying familiarity with clearly spoken English. Pilots seem to either garble their radio calls, cut them off short or speak as if in a tired despairing daze. I am amazed that such important communications are not more disciplined in delivery or automated. Glass cockpits cannot act as repeaters for ATC instructions? Or are aircraft cockpit technologies far in advance of the guidance technology in an airport control tower?

Emirates shows a worryingly increase of near misses and incidents likely based on pilot error. Makes you wonder if they lack the training/experience due to the pandemic.

@weakneerose7614

2 жыл бұрын

Lack of training can be fixed rather simply but if it is the culture and negligence of the company it’s gonna be worse. Imagine how well they’re keeping up with maintenance of their aircrafts…

thanks for the video. as a regular customer of emirates its good to be informed. after watching about the take off incident last month this is just is too much for a concidence or bad luck. Clearly the culture and pressure are being pushed to the limits. Some of the comments below from ex-pilots are worrying..maybe time to re-think which airline I should be using.

@sandraalbuquerque1486

2 жыл бұрын

Ex Emirates professional myself for 10Y. Chose an European airline which has above international authorities that regulate with integrity these issues. UAE hides all. So, but so dangerous.

@mujtaballa3105

Жыл бұрын

@@sandraalbuquerque1486 what about Qatar? Are they good airlines?

Tenerife Incident occurred under totally different circumstances. I don't understand why they say it was similar situation.

@AllTimeAesthetic

2 жыл бұрын

I was confused about that as well… googled it and looks like there was another incident there where 2 planes collided on the runway.

We do the same things over and over. But cleared for takeoff we turn on all lights. I check again rolling onto the runway - if the lights are not all on I know I’m not cleared for takeoff. As I Roll onto the runway I also repeat with - line up and wait or clear for takeoff, as appropriate. This is a personal error trap (verbalization - lights are co and faa policy).

Ek524 was operated by A6-EQA and I flew on it from dublin

I can’t remember the exact day, but my family were flying BACK on Emirates from Hyderabad around then and when I tell you seeing the title of this vid almost gave me a heart attack

A thought on why the Pilots of the departing aircraft, something I like to call Get Going Itis, so focused on going that they weren't paying as much radio attention as they should have. Much like in the KLM Panam Crash of Tenerife, the KLM Pilot had a severe case of get going itis and given his time as a Flight Simulator Trainer had gotten so used to issuing his own ATC clearances he took off without explicit permission, coupled with the non standard phraseology used by the Tenerife controllers.

3:05 That's... an interesting explanation. I've been taught the reason they say 'niner' is to avoid confusion with the German 'Nein' (means 'no') which is pronounced exactly the same as 'nine'...

Hi man new subscriber

why do CVRs only loop 2 hours of recording? I have a 128GB SD card in my phone that could probably hold literally weeks of voice recordings. I know they would use more expensive, higher grade memory chips for CVRs but still, a far greater capacity that could hold a recording of the entire flight would be an insignificant fraction of the cost of the system, much less the plane as a whole

That is why it is mostly called: „line up and WAIT“ (I am not quite sure if the additional phrase „WAIT“ is mandatory but for sure it is good phraseology)

Can you imagine those communication misunderstandings at LAX?

Would love to hear your take on the Manx2 flight 7100 at Cork.

Watching this as I’m in my application process with Emirates for cabin crew.😬

in recent years Emirates has been faltering especially in terms of crew resource management & services . . . probably the ever confusing post pandemic times is taking a toll . . .

Very concerning to see yet another major potentially catastrophic indicent in such a short space of time from Emirates. I am really worried Emirates may be running out of luck very soon.

Would love to hear these tapes, especially the order to stop take off and how it was given

Why do they call it a 'Near Miss? It was a near HIT!!!!

@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

2 жыл бұрын

They were a mile apart

@darkmatters3821

2 жыл бұрын

I think George Carlin said that once lol

@lisaa8795

2 жыл бұрын

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 A mile is not much of a margin for error at that speed.

@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

2 жыл бұрын

@@lisaa8795 there’s a lot of aircraft within a mile when you’re at an airport

I've been flying with emirates for the past 12years and never had a problem...thinking of flying this April with them to see my sister but after watching this video,I don't want to go anymore.scary!!

An excellent video, thanks for making it.

Wouldn't there be a requirement in place for a readback from both aircrafts? I.e. the one would have to say EK524 now crossing Runway 30L and the other would have to say Cleared for takeoff runway 30L - with both of them being on the same frequency (i.e. the tower frequency), they would have heard each other & could take corrective action accordingly UNLESS they spoke over each other or simply didn't readback (which would be illegal on all fronts).

WTH Emirates... I was there around that same time taxiing for departure. All of Emirates news is quite disturbing as of late.

Uh oh this sounds like another disaster in Tenerife where the klm pilots took off without clearance