I have a problem with ATC not remembering 31000 pounds of fuel and 185 souls on board. I know they are busy up there, but once an aircraft declares an emergency, they should be taking notes because the pilots may have their hands full with a flaming cockpit and numerous other situations that require their attention, like flying the airplane! ATC is not supposed to add to their workload.

@rainman1242

20 күн бұрын

and by the end (after ATC asked 3 times) the tower has that number divided by 10, announcing 3000 pound to the fire chief. why bother asking at all if you are gonna lose 90% of it by the time the info get to the one guy that really need that number right

@masterpc4836

18 күн бұрын

If you have listened enough of these ATC videos, it really happen all the time during emergency. I just did my sim with the smoke, it's NOT nice to ask so many times for the same issue.

@eamonnmorris5331

15 күн бұрын

absolutely agree. I couldn't believe the ATC guy here!

Sounds like that first ATC needs retraining for emergency handling

@bobteter4300

20 күн бұрын

ATC won't get any awards on handling this emergency. Hopefully it will be a what not to do training exercise at OKC.

There has never been a requirement for US ATC to specifically ask for infants. "Persons On Board" (POB) is the only requirement.

Reports smoke in the cockpit and ATC tells him to climb and then asks if he wants more time. Did we not learn anything from Swiss Air 111? Then ATC needs the same information multiple times then relays it to fire department incorrectly. Also don't like allowing a departure in front of an emergency aircraft because if the departure aborts, do you really want the aircraft with smoke in the cockpit to be forced to go around??

@markcardwell

22 күн бұрын

You are absolutely correct

@Pipic9

21 күн бұрын

Climbing instruction is completely fine. You want him to fly at 5000 feet above the metro area? Additional altitude can also help in case of a major system failure since you have more time to assess and react to the situation. Asking the pilot if he needs more time is also normal since they have to go through their checklists. And for the last point - do you have any evidence that there wasn't enough time in between of departing/arriving planes?

@clqudy4750

21 күн бұрын

I think the last part about clearing an aircraft to depart a runway that has an emergency aircraft on final should be considered. It raises the possibility of forcing the go around on an emergency aircraft because something might go wrong with the departing aircraft. Should designate a runway just for emergency aircraft until it's down safely.

@TommyRaines

21 күн бұрын

My thoughts exactly. It is excruciating to hear the busy and stressed pilots' attention being diverted to the ATC interrogation - which turned out to be fairly useless. No thought given to what the pilots might need, and I rather think the pilot's question about ground support following them in was a request, not a question. "Reach out, understand, and support" were largely missing.

@boomer9900

21 күн бұрын

Why is the number of passengers, fuel level, and hazmat not required into the computer for automatic data download through one of the channels auto transmitting data routinely for any air controller to receive? Maybe because it is too expensive to add this info, do training, add hardware, add software, etc?

lol, 'captain says hold on, let me go check how many infants are onboard then I'm going figure out what's on fire!

D- for ATC on this one. Jeezzzz

Once again, ATC asking the same questions over and over again.

@mph6563

21 күн бұрын

And after all that the quantity of fuel reported to the fire crew was too low by a factor of 10 (3,800 vs 38,000).

If ever I’m in a plane on fire, dear God let me not be under Atlanta control!

Don’t know why the crew just respond with, “unable” or “standby” to the inane questions

"Once you're on the ground, (with a possible fire on board) we'll decide if we need to send the emergency equipment (after people are on fire crawling out of the aircraft)"? Is it their nap time? Do they get cranky if you call them for a 'possible' emergency?

Er simple question. Will emergency equipment follow us in. I would hope they are standing by the runway. How is it the ATC will determine what they need. They crew are in the aircraft therefore they are in the best position to determine what they need

@gerardmoran9560

21 күн бұрын

The "we'll determine" meant ATC and the crew. That's how they do it.

@richardmorin6968

21 күн бұрын

@@gerardmoran9560 Emergency equipement should have been deployed and awaiting by the runway ,ready to intervene.

@gerardmoran9560

20 күн бұрын

@@richardmorin6968 I expect it was. The question to be determined by ATC and the crew was whether CFR would follow to the gate.

Why why why is it that every doggine time these controllers make the pilots of emergency aircraft repeat stuff that the pilots have already clearly provided???

Why do they need to know if there are infants on board?

@drforjc

21 күн бұрын

They can’t answer for themselves if they are trying to account for all the passengers after an evacuation. Emergency crew would want to know that.

@tomcat1319

21 күн бұрын

Infants would refer to lap children.

@WingsUp757

21 күн бұрын

Souls On Board the aircraft Is Crew - pilots/Fa’s Passengers Lap children or infants Jump-seaters. Cockpit/Cabin

@kimberlywoodbury1739

20 күн бұрын

Because infants in laps tend to go airborne if the worst happens. So they need to know to look for them wherever they might have landed (the infants, not the plane). Adults tend to stay strapped in their seats and are easier to find. It’s an argument for making parents buy seats for even infants, and secure them into a car seat - at least while the seatbelt sign is on.

Very dismayed by the amount of scorn being heaped on the departure controller and Atlanta tower. The pilot asked for the 27R ILS, which has been NOTAM'd out for a long time, so there had to some discussion on the controller side to figure out whether to give the A321 an ILS approach or stick with 27R (cannot have both). The vectors were on point either way. There was clearly a broken or overcast layer somewhere (judging by when the pilot said he has ATL in sight) and the crew asked for the IAP. The climbout was only to 3000 above the 7000 IAF for the RNAV 27R, and that probably was over the top of the layer. Control was not pestering them with inane questions, they were making sure the information they had was correct. The goal here is to handle this stuff safely with the right info, not impress a bunch of internet losers handing out letter grades for things they don't understand.

Not the greatest controller. Really not impressed with him. Also, I don’t recall any emergencies where the controller asked about infants on board. That’s a new one to me. Is that a common question from ATC in an emergency situation? (I’m still fairly new in my aviation journey)

Geez, another A321 issue. This aircraft has been having a lot more issues than the Boeing’s MAX. LEAP 1A issues, winglet and fuselage cracks as well as flight control computer issues.

Not pilot here. If they requested ILS runway 27R why the controller gave them VISUAL APPROACH 27R instead ILS 27R APPROACH?

@roysmith5902

22 күн бұрын

The controller who cleared them for the approach was not the same controller who handled them as a departure and that detail probably just didn't get passed along. The important part was that they wanted to go back to the airport as quickly as possible and land on 27R. There's no practical difference between clearing them for the ILS or the Visual at that point. If they wanted to track the localizer and glideslope they could certainly do that with the clearance they had.

@charlesgerst7882

21 күн бұрын

The ILS has been out on 27R for a while now.

@cgatlanta

20 күн бұрын

Isn’t 27R normally the take off runway?

@aerofreak2053

13 күн бұрын

@@cgatlantait is, but it’s also the longest runway they’ve got, so for an emergency that results in extra landing distance, that’s the one you want. This emergency probably didn’t require extra landing distance, but the crew usually briefs and sets up for emergency return based on that assumption, and then it’s easier to just execute the plan when you’re buried in checklists and communications.

Wow US ATC seem to not listen very well. Nearly always asking the same questions over and over. In contrast other countries ask once and only once. Are they being distracted by video games, tick tock, or taking selfies?

@kineticgames293

20 күн бұрын

Do you really think they are not paying attention during an emergency? They are 100% focused. The problem is we have other controllers calling us to coordinate and move traffic. Other planes could also be calling on another frequency which wasnt recorded. We used to have enough staffing to have radar assistants help us with calls to other sectors while we focus on the aircraft. Due to staffing and budget cuts we have to combine up sectors without an assistant controller. We have the highest traffic count in history with the lowest controller count in history.

Here is a guy who wants to get on the ground as soon as possible and ATC tells him to Climb to 10000? If there was conflicting aircraft those planes need to adjust altitude and heading not the EM A/C sounded like Jr. high ATC.

@kineticgames293

20 күн бұрын

The climb to 10000 was before the controller had any idea what the issue was. The aircraft was likely at 8000 or 9000 when they declared the emergency. If the pilot wanted lower they could have asked and the controller would accomodate.

@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA

7 күн бұрын

Then 11.000

ATC a trainee?

Terrible job from the ATC

Awful absolutely awful. Far too much time taken with repetition

DEI.

For the most part, controllers make emergencies worse. Asking so many questions, making pilots repeat themselves, distracting pilots from the emergency itself.

Good grief. Babies and haz mat on board. !!!! Anything else? Any alternative life style - Woke university professor’s on board.

@drforjc

21 күн бұрын

Seems pretty obvious to me from an emergency crew’s perspective

@tomcat1319

21 күн бұрын

Hazmat so the fire dept needs to know if they need foam or other items in case it lands on fire?