10:07 "more collabs with Shiina" 100000000% yes please.

@Suesserto

4 ай бұрын

Definitely.

@DarkmonstaR

4 ай бұрын

very nice.

@Mondoness

4 ай бұрын

yes, chicken cutlets.

Its amazing how people don't listen. Legal Mindset explained everything she just said. Yes the law is on her side, yes she could sue, yes she could win, but it will likely not be worth it to sue because its stupidly expensive and Japan won't enforce a CA ruling.

@Earliersphere

4 ай бұрын

plus she was getting so much hate and harassment at the time, so there would of been a big chance she would been pushed to the edge by the increased hate she would of faced.

@ChaosMind10531

4 ай бұрын

Its because people have low comprehension... It has already been said that they COULD win... COULD... But not WILl... That's what a lot of these people who are "pushing" for suing... How would you expect them to understand how the law works when they don't even understand basic english (which I would assume some of them is their first language)

@UnknownOps

4 ай бұрын

Won’t be surprised if Niji might pull a corpo move on her and put the date on hold, sucking her out of her money, best thing we could do is just not give them money or views, they don’t deserve to get away scot-free from all of this. EDIT: lmao, as if I’m going to let myself get burned by these fuckers.

@Einz913

4 ай бұрын

If you watch her stream just after termination she said she used a chibi model. She said she could only afford this model. If she buy a full model it will be very expensive. When she was terminated with all the legal stuff and everything she was broke. She had only got in niji fir 4 months mind you with a lot of suspensions. Also she buy everything needed for debut herself. Idk if she even recoup her costs afte rthta short of a time. Also she was alone. And is still mostly alone. Many people hate her and she get tons of harrassmenent. Lets get her support. But honestly im more scared she got tins of dead sub ij act of support. What she needed is an actuve sub. Her streams are good and chill. Its said seeing her ccv sometimes bloated up to 1k+ from a raid but eventually drop to 500 or 400. Its more then finana sure and she does stream simultaneously with twitch too and had 1k+ ccv there. But I think she in my humble opinion deserve far more

@christian1neza1656

4 ай бұрын

​​@@EarliersphereSayu implied she also made an ATTEMPT but NOBODY CARED after the successful Hate campaign Niji smeared at her a year ago.

"There are people I choose not to interact with" I think that's understandable, Alot of people sided with Niji and Threw Sayu under the bus and only after vindication have come back claiming they were always on Sayu's side.

@ceresbane

4 ай бұрын

It depends. Lots of people were fence sitters. But yeah there are definitely people who would side with the corporation with the most sus termination announcement letter ever. But stupid people on the internet exist. Its one thing to claim you were on her side all along but its another to be on one side and admit guilt to being an idiot. But yeah networking with such people might be beneficial on the short term. But being that level of two faced is going to rear its head eventually and they'll drag you into trouble in no time. Friendship is nice. Its not profitable but its much more sustainable.

@Frank22lol

4 ай бұрын

​@@ceresbane I never attacked Sayu. I wouldn't attack anyone. But I believed the talents that went on to talk about how she "betrayed" them. Logic would tell me that out of all the talents there for a long time, why no one would at least hint to things being so bad while the newbie, that had some questionable sense of humor, attacked the company, it didn't make sense. So I believed the talents and I was a fool. Until her statement came out and from then I believed her. Matara basically confirmed that things werent alright, then Kuro, Pomu, Khyo and Doki. They can't all be lying. So I don't trust the company at all anymore.

@NightKev

4 ай бұрын

@@Frank22lol It's not like there were zero signs that Niji was bad before she was fired, you just weren't paying attention. "Logic" does not tell you to assume things based on minimal evidence with no attempt to investigate.

@vel7232

4 ай бұрын

But didnt she still talk bad on her senpais? She has points on her side, but there is also points against her as well. She will have better mental health if she choose to move on like Doki.

@ChaosMind10531

4 ай бұрын

Questionable sense of humor... XD you mean a majority of their Livers??? XD there were worse jokes that have been said...

Some important context here. Legal Mindset was not saying any of the livers should sue with the details he talked about. He was talking about what the ,State of California, or representing government, should enforce or what these livers could use in their defense if a foreign agency attempted to sue them.

@DinnerForkTongue

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. People are way too eager to push his advice out of context.

@Frag-ile

4 ай бұрын

He's also expressly brought up the very argument stated in this clip as a reason why no matter if you could win, suing is not the preferably action.

@PhillyCh3zSt3ak

4 ай бұрын

@@DinnerForkTongue not even just out of context, but that the streams involving Doki's legal chances as well as Sayu's are all legal theorycrafting. He's only stating what /could/ come up in a lawsuit should it come up. The big thing that he said multiple times was "this is not legal advice." The only legal advice he gave was to go to a lawyer that practices law where you live and what type of lawyer you may want to consult with if you want to get into the corpo VTuber biz. He's only exposing the wrongdoings of Niji legally in JP for their labor and privacy laws, Canadian labor and privacy law, and lastly Californian labor law if any of it should go to court. Nothing more. If nothing else, it's educating people to think critically and look into things before signing on the dotted line.

@SolitaryLark

4 ай бұрын

Yeah but it means that she could have said whatever she wanted and then the could have TRIED to sue and she would have won. Seems she didn’t want the headache.

@HudaefCares

4 ай бұрын

"They could've won, but only after so much stress and money. Not worth it" basically.

The og's know. It just sucks that she had to go through all this crap alone. The Pariah has finally been recognized as the martyr. I've been sayin black company niji since they 1st pulled the Zaion treatment. My oshi is vindicated. I like Sayu, I like Sad Girl Company.

@ceresbane

4 ай бұрын

I hate this trend on the internet that stupid people speak for me. I knew I was right but I couldn't do anything to clam up the loud morons who couldn't argue in any form of rationality.

@LunarEdge7

4 ай бұрын

She's the Penultimate Sad Girl material Unofficial Phase member if I coped hard enough in my head She defo staying indie tho

@FrarmerFrank

4 ай бұрын

What do you mean? Zion died for our sins is still a popular Meme Only difference between Sayu and Doki is Doki is outroverted as a Artist and pro gamer being friendly with Artists,merch reps,event reps,Tournament reps,and Sponser reps at Conventions,Events,and Tournaments which is why she knows Mr Man (and the rest of Xset) and those artists,Merchant reps,Sponser Reps,and event reps called bullshit on slandering Doki's Character 850k subs on KZread Channel also doesnt account for her Twitch and Billibilli streams for Tournaments and Events (aka her Lessor Asia and Greater Asia fans because she can work with Teams is Chinese,Korean,Vietnamese, or Japanese)

@Mondoness

4 ай бұрын

@@FrarmerFrank What do YOU mean? I wasn't even comparing her to Doki. Zion died for our sins "wasn't" a popular meme last year, you were more likely to be shat on for saying it. What are you even on about?

Shiiii so war of attrition. not to mention, Legal Mindset also said something about the PR war. "You could win the legal battle but you can be framed as the bad guy forever." That's definitely something Sayu would have definitely lost that day.

@Earliersphere

4 ай бұрын

absolutely with how bad the hate was, it would of been so much worse for her to have it come out she was suing.

@lostnemesis

4 ай бұрын

I think one of the examples he brought up as an example of winning the case but losing the pr battle was the McDonald's coffee lady she was completely in the right but McDonald's won the pr war and people thought she was like a sociopath.

@godlyBlade

4 ай бұрын

@@lostnemesis Exactly. People still to this day think she was an idiot who won a stupid lawsuit on a technicality or something.

@taiga7276

4 ай бұрын

This reminds me of the McDonald’s lady and the hot coffee

This poor, sweet girl. I wasn't really following the whole drama at the time, so I wasn't even fully informed. Now listening to all of this... Huge respect for her. She's way stronger than she looks.

@iamstd2

4 ай бұрын

I would say she's probably stronger now *because* of what she went through. People who have bounced back from dark times in their lives are usually pretty hardened, if not jaded in general, from my experience.

@DinnerForkTongue

4 ай бұрын

@@iamstd2 Skin only grows calluses from pressure and friction.

"I had no one, I had to be there for myself." Ouch. Very real. She suffered as much as anyone, but she was critical in showing others what Nijisanji's playbook was, which both helped fans more quickly recognize that Nijisanji was full of this when it was finally Selen's turn, and also probably helped Dokibird's legal team by knowing what to expect, and to form the best contingency plan.

@balargus319

4 ай бұрын

Between the path she laid, Sayu's direct support in Dokibird's darkest hour, and our own complicity in what happened to Sayu, the Dragoons know that we owe a debt to her Sindicate.

@sonofsueraf

4 ай бұрын

More like she suffered more than anyone. She receieved all forms of betrayal after getting terminated all because Nijisanji lied about her.

That is the annoying thing about dealing with big companies they have the money to drag things out until they win through the other side running out of money.

@RoyalFusilier

4 ай бұрын

Much like how a huge amount of prosecutions end in plea bargains and you're effectively punished for not pleading with harsher sentencing, two facts that combine to mean the right to a jury trial no longer exists. It's fictional. Same with lawsuits; you could, theoretically, bankrupt yourself trying to have a money-burning competition with a giant corporation. That's your rights now; theoretical only.

The difference between the incidents with Selen and Zaion is that Zaion was still new on Niji, she was still growing when the whole stuff happened, but with Selen, she had a BIG community, to the point she was considered one of the pillars of the Niji-livers.

@bonogiamboni4830

4 ай бұрын

Yeah and funnily enough the other pillar of niji EN graduated barely a month before her.

@RaxusXeronos

4 ай бұрын

There's also the fact that she rubbed some of the viewers the wrong way, so when shit hit the fan, fans were more willing to side with Niji because it seemed plausible at the time that Zaion was trouble....but then Niji pulled the same tactics against Selen and and several things were lining up with what Zaion had said. I just tuned it out when Zaion's situation was happening because it seemed either side could be lying at the time but with Selen, it was really obvious Niji fucked up.

@juampisito

4 ай бұрын

Sayu was also cancelled because she made a terrible joke so people on twitter were already trying her to remove herself from life, because twitter is like this. That joke was the main reason why she was fired.

@leandroroman7053

4 ай бұрын

@@RaxusXeronos As I said, she was still growing.

@luka188

4 ай бұрын

Selen could afford a lawsuit like this, but it would be similar to Karl Jobst, she'd need to crowd fund a lawsuit, however her community is large enough and the support is big enough that she could succeed, but she doesn't want to fight this kind of lawsuit even if she could win and would not be buried in legal fees before she wins.

She explains it really well. A lot of people dont understand how it works. This is why Doki just wants to let it go.

She's finally vindicated in the public eye and that's a greater value than a legal award she could obtain. And the viewers have Sayu and Doki back. Maybe in a few months we'll have Dearskin and Kamii back too.

@iamfat6164

4 ай бұрын

sorry i’m out of the loop who is kamii?

@juampisito

4 ай бұрын

@@iamfat6164 Mika Melatika

@Tasty_sand

4 ай бұрын

Kyo's returning too. I forgot his name tho

@kolapsg7748

4 ай бұрын

​@@Tasty_sand quiin

@MugeTzu4

4 ай бұрын

​@@Tasty_sandf that guy he was one of the people that shit on sayu

If she says sad a few more times, Sakana gonna send her an offer letter.

@kenjethao7774

4 ай бұрын

Maybe he already did but she refused

@raimyonlinewarrior236

4 ай бұрын

​@@kenjethao7774His attention is probably toward Vreverie, a other sinking ship of a company that just announced 3 talents graduating. There are only 2 talents left there.

Another KZreadr I follow is in the middle of a lawsuit with a multi-millionaire. He's had to crowdfund his defense, he's already spent over 300,000 dollars in his defense and the case is being dragged to hell and back by the other side, using their money to try and force a settlement and financial ruin. Sayu is entirely right, she can't win because it would cost millions to tens of millions of dollars. Even really successful VTubers in the ten-thousand+ viewer range don't have that kind of cash.

@juampisito

4 ай бұрын

yep, moreover it can be dragged to japan and she has japanese family. In Japan she would not win the lawsuit so it is even worse, moreover she would probably get sued for giving bad reputation to the company, it works like that.

@evilgremlin

4 ай бұрын

​@@juampisito Any legal stuff that happens in japan she can ignore completely, it's of no consequence.

@kelvinw.1384

4 ай бұрын

@@evilgremlin Her "debt" or judgement against her can be passed on to her family in Japan. Their credit and debt collection processes are archic to the point that debt can be passed on to other family members even if the debtor is dead or missing. You really should read up on Japanese laws before giving bad ignorant advise. They can sue her and by extension her family for defamation.

@evilgremlin

4 ай бұрын

​@@kelvinw.1384 She doesn't have any family in japan, she was given up on birth. So yeah, she wouldn't care about family, but she might care about obtaining jp citezenship sometime.

A lot of people forget how short her stint in the company was, she didn't get a chance to bond or even meet many members so it makes sense that she doesn't really care about collabing with ex-Niji or beng a part of their collective support group. She seems to have settled on what's really important and ready to focus on that and move forward. A very healthy place to end on, I'm happy for her.

@juampisito

4 ай бұрын

She met people, there is almost a year of preparation. Thing is that people betrayed her, it is not a matter of not having a relationship, she may even hate them and now that they are out of the company they are being happy flower with each others. Notice how Doki has not yet interacted with any of the properly graduated members, they were probably not nice with her either, maybe cause of the structure, but they could have contacted with her in private and I am sure she would have collabed already if they had supported her. If we do not see a collab in the next few weeks people should really stop insisting to Doki (or Sayu) to collab with them.

@Suesserto

4 ай бұрын

@@juampisito Agreed. I don't like it when people are trying to push for collabs, regardless of the circumstance. The Whole idea of everyone in the same Corpo being friends is stupid. It always bugs me whenever Niji would post "I Love My Niji Family" shit. That sounds straight up like a cult if you ask me.

@Tezasaurus

4 ай бұрын

@@juampisito Eh, many streamers have said they often don't collab because they spend so much time together talking off-stream. Not dong a collab doesn't immediately mean they don't like each other.

@RenegadeSparks

4 ай бұрын

Or maybe, just maybe, there's a difference in the situations and that the gross things she said on streams aren't magically unsaid and that people like finana weren't lying when she said she was being gaslit. maybe there's a reason Doki collaborated pretty quickly with Unnämed, who was shafted by Niji, but not Sayu

@tylerensminger

4 ай бұрын

​@juampisito it's only been what a month or so since Doki returned? I think we ought to give her more time before making certain assumptions here

Legal even said during some livestreams regarding Doki´s case that EVEN with a fundraiser, you cannot outcompete a multibillion dollar company. Like you could, but COULD you really?

@ceresbane

4 ай бұрын

its one of those situations where you just let them destroy itself by virtue of their own incompetence. End of the day nijisanji isn't worth anything if there aren't talents making them money. Not understanding that value is the main reason they won't get anymore and hopefully they'll just die. Though what I am predicting is a holo niji merger where cover buys them out.

@NightKev

4 ай бұрын

@@ceresbane Cover can't afford to buy them out, they're roughly the same net worth as companies. As for a merger, that would be absolutely terrible; we do *not* want *any* of Niji's management infecting Cover. There's just no upside.

@Dreded100

4 ай бұрын

@@ceresbane Keep in mind, the only part of Niji really being hit by this is the EN branch. Yes, their stock is dropping, but so is cover's (although not as much) its just the market. It would be much more likely for Niji to just dissolve their EN branch. Yet even that seems unlikely at the moment as they are attempting to just move on from this like nothing happened. At least sub counts are still stagnant/dropping.

@lostnemesis

4 ай бұрын

I was watching one of his live streams he talked about the fact that she could easily make the money to do it people brought up the fact that she made $200,000 from her merch store in like a day, but in particular involving a court case and with Canadian laws that could supersede and force it to be a Canadian case she could win but it would be so long because they would have the money to drag it out, Without even thinking about it and it's incredibly mentally taxing it's incredibly difficult on you so it wouldn't be worth it because it isn't like she would get anything out of it anyway.

@someweeb3650

4 ай бұрын

@@lostnemesisExactly. Bottom line is bottom line. Why should our favorite streamers be paying out of pocket just because the $ of damages they can prove need to be paid has 1 less 0 at the end than the lawyer costs over a year long+ case?

4:14 Sayu may think what she says sounds mean, but, IIRC it actually mirrors very real arguments in academic circles about how people selectively react to tragedies and scandals in a way that parallels existing hierarchies, ideas of respectability, etc. At the time of her open letter, I was just a casual clip watcher and tried to compartmentalize away everything she said, and even now, I only just learned that Sayu had also attempted s*icide. So yeah, exhibit A of what she is complaining about.

@bandohjfusion4885

4 ай бұрын

May I ask why did you try to compartmentalize everything she said at the time? I get for a diehard Niji fan, it would be a coping mechanism, but not for a casual clip watcher. To me compartmentalizing information is never a good thing unless it is something potentially traumatic that you see or hear, not read or hear through secondhand sources.

@balargus319

4 ай бұрын

@@bandohjfusion4885 At the time, I was er am going through some mental health difficulties and believed that Nijisanji was the only place that catered to the "very socially awkward misfits catering to other very socially awkward misfits." demographic. So naturally, I wanted to believe in what I saw as the only agency that I perceived as catering to what I needed mentally. As for the clips, I was too lazy to watch Livestreams.

@DeviousKid45

4 ай бұрын

She didn't attempt. She thought about it. Big difference.

@salkryeful

4 ай бұрын

@@DeviousKid45Gee, that sounds so much better. /s

Hearing her say " I went through this a year ago without the same support Doki had" breaks my heart, Sayu is such a sweet girl and she and her friend didn't deserve what happened to them.

Anyone who doesnt fully understand what she means about the company dragging out the court battle, look into SLAPP lawsuits. Some of the particulars and technicalities may differ but the concept and process is largely the same.

@RudockAviar

4 ай бұрын

Except in states that don't have SLAPP law. The USA isn't unified even in legal matters. Some states have some laws that others don't even realize exist.

@GeebusCrust

4 ай бұрын

@@RudockAviar I'm not talking about anti-SLAPP laws as much as the methods and processes that SLAPP suits use to stall out their targets. True though, of all the things that states can't agree on it it blows my mind that that is one of them.

@Kaibors

4 ай бұрын

In niji there's shindo raito vs roa and it dragged out for like 3 years and it's still going lol

She wanted to be more known, she instead became more alone. She wanted to leave and be left alone, she instead became more known and emprisoned in that infamy. She wanted to grow alone, she instead got help from another scandal. She wants to leave that past behind, and now people want to help her take revenge. I'm new, but I think fans are finally slowly heading on the same path as her. I hope we'll finally act in sync(hronicity).

@Suesserto

4 ай бұрын

True. I gotta admit, I was not niji fan so I missed out most of the drama when it first happened. Then when I learned about stuff it feels bad. Thinking from Sayu's perspective, it must be quite bugging whenever people bring up the drama when she's clearly want to move pass it. Even if people are on your side now, it must be like digging up old wounds.

@UnknownOps

4 ай бұрын

This is some Shakespearean tragedy, dude.

@4566Iggy

4 ай бұрын

I hate you for that pun! I agree with everything you said but good lord that pun!

@lucasLSD

4 ай бұрын

beautiful

"Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell" kind of vibe. 😐

And that is why the system doesn't work. The rich will win every time no matter what. I already heard all that from Legal Mindset, really smart person btw, really helped me understand the situation. Also, her talking about how people are now saying all the "supportive" stuff a full year after the stuff with friend Z is very sad but true. All that would've helped back then. Now, it's a swan song. She needed support back then and almost everyone spat on her. I hope my presence made a difference. All this is very bittersweet... Lastly, amazing job with the clip dood. I'd say you captured it really well. Thank you

One of the most infuriating aspects of Sayu's termination was when some of the other Livers would just dogpile on her when she couldn't speak up for her self, the same vain of kicking someone while they're down. Taking advantage of the fact she couldn't defend herself, either because they were too stupid or knowing full well it would add to the level of harassment she faced because of them. The Finana clip being the worst example. The people who took a neutral stance on the controversy while I understand wanting to be fair to both sides they ignored NJIJ's bad practices before hand like the IN and KR branches. Also choosing to ignore the harassment that Sayu faced from inside NIJI and just saying that "she wasn't good for corporate Vtubing." Yeah she was a bad choice for NIJI like most people are because it's a terrible place. Even now some people still bring up the old jokes she's made in the past, as someone who has been similar situations and subjects apart of said jokes I'll say this. Yeah they're bad no getting around that but here's the fact, they were just mindless jokes something that shouldn't define their character. she's apologiesed and hasn't done anything of the sort recently to my knowledge. That's my rant of the entire thing. I'm happy she's doing better and I have been loving her P3 Reload streams. I hope the best for her in the coming future.

@balargus319

4 ай бұрын

Your rant is fair. What they tried to do with Dokibird was a scaled up version of what they successfully did to Sayu.

A couple comments have mentioned it, but it's worth mentioning again and again until it sinks in. Legal Mindset's analysis was that NDAs (and Japanese specific laws like their style of "defamation") are largely unenforceable internationally and especially in California. He went on to say that if Niji was stupid enough to attempt to bring legal action against Sayu they would wake up the real tiger that is the state of California and get eaten alive since they appear to be in flagrant violation of multiple California laws not only in Sayu's specific situation but in their standard operating practices so far. At no point has he suggested that any former employees take direct legal action against the company. At most it would be reporting the company to their (the employee's) local government if the situation escalated or they were being prevented from moving on by the company. Edit: Worth noting that I am paraphrasing a lawyer who himself has a disclaimer that he is not giving legal advice. We all know that law is like a rats' nest.

While it's assuring that Sayu got her long overdue vindication, it'd be best to let things run it's course. No need to worry the fans further, both Sayu and Doki have the love and support of their fans on this issue. So why deal with unnecessary headaches and stress on a case where victory is not guaranteed? As things are now, the public scrutiny and mistrust Niji faces is more than enough to hurt their finances and reputation. Now it's up to them whether they actually take a course correction or continue spiraling down.

"It didn't matter then?" It always mattered, Sayu, and some of us were supporting you and standing up for you ever since then, in whatever tiny ways we could.

I've always been on Zaion's side, and when she got terminated, I was really upset, but I'm really glad that Sayu is now free and happy with what she is doing.

@lostnemesis

4 ай бұрын

It was always really fishy how everything worked out with that, and even seeing it here people kind of taking softer stances and then people pushing back and then they go "yeah I wasn't paying attention at that time." It's Great for her that people now understand she was done wrong, it's a shame it took this for people to realize but having one of the most universally beloved talents in the company have the same game plan used against them kind of forced people to realize.

@Vandalieu

4 ай бұрын

Really glad I subscribed the day it happened, Item details KZread Subscribed to Sayu Sincronisity Ch. VTuber 真黒 Details event Mar 10, 2023 at 1:13 PM apps KZread Why this activity? This activity was saved to your Google Account because you were using KZread. info_filled If you use a shared device or sign in with multiple accounts, activity from another account may appear here. Learn more Although I didn't actually see Niji wrong at the time when they released it. On one hand Any Color made the right call, on the other hand it's not like their hands are exactly clean either, what with them making a bunch of extremely sus moves especially lately, such as copyright striking False and Khyo for simple thumbnails. And, that's why I said they made the right call. But one right call doesn't change how terrible they have been lately. Just as none of Any Color's terrible actions cancel out Ziaon's terrible actions, neither does Ziaon's terrible actions cancel out any of Any Color's terrible actions.

@TheSpArTaNs1962

4 ай бұрын

​@@lostnemesisYep. People backpedaling on their hate and saying that reason are the ones who avoid accountability. And I'm saying this as a new fan to the world of Vtubing

I knew the reasons for her termination are just BS when I first read it, yet people took it at face value as the list of unforgivable sins she has done. It's unbelievable how someone who welcomed me so easily and was the most friendly streamer I've known would be acting that way or would be the most insensitive. They did her dirty then, and they will do others the same. Until Nijisanji falls and even after, the harassment will continue and the suffering will pursue.

I'm just glad Sayu is still with us. 😢 I think it's best not to dwell bc it's so heartbreaking. That company is such a mess (understatement). I wish Sayu the best.

It's real sad she went through all this and nothing came of it until now. It's sad it took someone like Selen attempting suicide for people to see what that company is truly like. It's sad it had to come to this. I believed Zaion from the beginning and truly wish for her happiness and success. She deserves it.

IIRC Andrew did mention the company can indeed use money to turn this open-and-shut case into a knock-down drag-out fight. Best that can be done is admire the sinking of the yacht and its stock value.

Man...Sayu literally is the person that got the worse case for everything. I really hope she has an amazing career.

I get he frustration that it finally took someone else for people to realize how innocent Sayu was it’s annoying and it’s too late but unfortunate stuff happens like that

I wish I was there when someone in chat brought this up. "The lawyer" (Legal Mindset) said the same thing she was saying lol. I feel like she got one guy'd and only got the "YOU COULD SUE AND WIN!" part of what LM said. Some people love leaving out important details. He said "She could sue and win but it's not worth it at this point especially since the corpo could drag it out". Also I feel her when she said "people are using the drama now to network and grow in subs" since it's popular right now. A lot of channels have come forward with their take on things (some of them I enjoy hearing what they have to say) and ARE using it to grow in subs and I know that hurts and has to be annoying to her. Like she said, it all happened a year ago and no one was on her side or brigaded this hard like they are now on the injustices that took place in Kurosanji. This would upset me too haha. The last part on her talking about people that she use to know and they basically shamed her or didn't say anything while this all happened to her but now are saying they were always on her side or they think what happened to her was horrible- bro where did you even come from? lol you were in the IN crowd; now that it's popular to speak out about how bad the company is, you NOW want to be on Sayu's side? Nah that's a snake trying to find a new hole to hide in imo haha. I may be speculating a bit too much here but I believe she was talking about Doki in a since when it comes to they saw it but chose to not say anything until it happened to them but I could be wrong. I love Doki, I love Sayu. I don't care if they ever collab, I'm just glad their both doing good right now and are still alive. But I completely understand if there is a bit of mixed waters between them IF there is any.

@broku7790

4 ай бұрын

I do not think she is talking about Doki as Sayu tweeted showing sympathy to Doki when Doki got terminated. Sayu said that she would not interact or have anything to do with the people she is refering to. And also Doki has not really said anything about the situation unless it was a direct response to Nijisanji and keeping mostly quiet about it. (Sorry if i commented twice, but could not find my first comment and was unsure if youtube deleted it. Also sorry if i misunderstood what you said)

@guyver93

4 ай бұрын

@790 Oh no you're good haha. I think the same way honestly but the brain worms be wriggling sometimes. I just thought it was a little strange she would say "don't ask me to collab with this person or that person when I know how they were before". I know some people have been asking for her and Doki to collab for a bit now but I've always been of the mindset "Do these girls even know each other outside of rumors?" they don't even appear to like the same games. But again, I'm most likely wrong. Outside of that I stand by my other comments haha

@AoiFlame02

4 ай бұрын

@@guyver93 but dude, the thing is, Sayu still has that bad reputation from niji stans who has still hasn't gotten over her. You've seen how people on twitter responded when Sayu first replied to Doki's reply to Niji....You think that won't happen if they ever collab??? Niji stans will use Sayu to throw stones at Doki(like how they did when she collabed with Fillian) then ALSO attack Sayu for daring to "sully" Doki's reputation or daring to leech, whatever terrible accusations they'll throw. With things right now, a collab isn't a good idea...it'd just bring more drama..

@guyver93

4 ай бұрын

@@AoiFlame02 You're right it would. But If you ask me. I don't think they will ever "collab" so to speak, unless it's in a competition like in Palworld recently. If they do, GREAT but if not oh well. *Twitter freak niji stans* are gonna freak no matter what these two do because they were the ones who were terminated by their niji overlords and shunned by their coworker which automatically makes them evil and they should go away~ (sorry that's how I hear them lol). But they aren't going away, Sayu may be smaller compared to Doki in Subs/Views but she's killin it on Twitch and even on KZread when it comes to viewers and she's slowly growing on KZread. Doki's viewer turnout is crazy on KZread these days. PLUS a ton of artists and company's that used to sell merch with Niji now follow her. The Niji stans are seething lol. And It's (in my opinion) kinda funny seeing them pull anything out of their a** es to get others to hate on these two. Sayu is still damaged from what she went through and it hurts to hear that she's still blaming herself for alot of things. And Doki is probably still going through some things too 😞. Wait- let me restate my response from the beginning. You are right that they will start more drama on twitter if they collab but I think it would also be a win for them. "The now vindicated Sayu who blew the whistle on KuroSanji. And Dokibird the liver who was pushed to the edge of life due to bullying/harassment from within the company that Sayu warned about are now Together in a collab?!?!" I think the Vtuber community side of the internet would blow up 🤣. In their favor

Employee vs Corp sounds like a nightmare

People forget that it’s requires both times and money to sue a big company. Sayu doesn’t want to spend a large amounts of time talking to lawyers, getting lawyers, going to court, and help making statements. She probably want to spend those time into streaming like Doki doing now.

I'm glad i decided to check Sayu out, but it kinda sucks all this had to happen now for me to do it.

she is so pure. i love that she will stand by her principles and not bring people into her community that aren’t willing to support their friends.

@DanteThe1990

4 ай бұрын

this isn't purity. this is integrity

@thighble69

4 ай бұрын

@@DanteThe1990 i meant her personality/intent. using pure as in sincere. i know what you mean tho and that’s super true

I regret not having been there for Sayu. Sadly, I was still a "Niji-stan" (though I never defended the company as a whole, really) at the time of Zaion's termination. It wasn't until the chain of graduations starting with Nina that I started to wonder. I am saddened to see that the whole ordeal has essentially jaded Sayu to the point of just not giving a fuck anymore because no one was there to support her like we've seen with Doki. And then there's the matter of those who are all over the Niji stuff now that didn't touch it when Sayu spoke out, basically calling out Niji now that it's the cool thing to do. Sayu didn't get fucked by Kurosanji, she got fucked by the world.

Ngl. I'm new to the idea of vtubing, but I don't see how people can ignore the red flags that Nijisanji threw out when they "terminated" Zaion. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I still can't get how people thought it was fine for a company to air out termination notices with reasons publicly, it's okay to have former coworkers talk crap about you in public, etc. It's like nobody had a job in their life before or know how businesses handle a fired worker. Even Hololive/Cover doesn't handle terminations like Nijisanji/Anycolor.

@sonofsueraf

4 ай бұрын

That's the beauty of good reputation. People will look away because of your influence.

Sayu is too smart for nijisanji.

@Piprup

4 ай бұрын

Like, she actually is. The document, everything she says now. Simply incredible. One of the main reasons I love her so much

@senny-

4 ай бұрын

I remember her saying that she once tried to talk to her managers or some staff about how they're being treated, the only reply she's given is that "this is what it's like being in a company". She said that it's not, and that she's even worked in big corporations like Apple. (Plus, she's in her thirties and she might even have more experience than her managers.) Maybe this is one of the reasons.why someone in Niji hated her guts so much and smeared her name.

@r99azm80

4 ай бұрын

That's why the Clique bully her, they don't like people who smarter than their -39IQ.

@ferro1398

4 ай бұрын

She's actually playing 5D chess.

Sayu would not have been able to give out the details. But thanks to Legal Mindset, we the viewers have a similar professional perspective to what Sayu got.

@logikx1325

4 ай бұрын

That was definitely his intent, I just hate that people were dumb enough to turn around and bug Sayu with it. Leave her alone. "Killing people with 'kindness'" is a thing.

@elfireii328

4 ай бұрын

@@logikx1325 yeah. I guess people are just narrow minded or assume things. LM got his conclusion from analysing Sayu's statement and its already a winning case. So obviously it means her and her legal representitives have more information they arent putting out on case something does happen.

@SrMissileMonkey

4 ай бұрын

​@elfireii328 they're romantic. They want the satisfying romance ending where the bad guy gets got. Real life doesn't work that way. The journey to get to the "got-ness" of the conclusion is arduous and *emotionally* taxing. You need absolutely pure tungsten will to survive the shark-infested waters of the legal courtroom, never mind the war of attrition that would immediately be enforced by Niji because they have multi-times the resources than her even if crowd-funded. People don't get the toll to pay to go to court actually. Often times there's no Depp case ending. Because money talks.

Chat: did you hear what the lawyer said? Sayu: Yeah but it would be a long legal battle. Chat: would you lose? Sayu: nah, I'd win.

@kaiohshin2322

4 ай бұрын

... normies using the meme wrong ticks me off. 'Nah i'd win' means 'yes, i would lose.'

@ardantop132na6

4 ай бұрын

TL Note: She will win, but the Kurosanji won't let her have that even if it means sacrificing another yacht.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena

4 ай бұрын

@@kaiohshin2322 technically she would lose because it would cost more to go after them

Unlike in fantasy story, in real life the big evil corporation often wins by overwhelming money. All you can do is move on and keep supporting those affected to be happy in their new lifes

Damn I’m ashamed of myself for not able support her way back like I really didn't know about her termination like I was really too ignorant about vtuber stuff and too busy in irl at that time. I only followed her zaion at that time because her model looks like keqing and she also plays genshin which I found her interesting. I only found her again because of the drama what an irony. I really love she still the same like before that she’s not wearing a persona for entertainment but she being true to herself and always so based. I’m well aware that she wants to move on and don’t care the past and I really respect that want to follow. But after knowing the cruel things happened to her before I still can’t bring to forgive and forget the niji corp and those backstabber livers.

She's 100% right by the way, I'm in the US and doing a disability case. I've been on this for 3 years, it's a lot of repeating the same paperwork, answering the same questions, going to court multiple times, because the government doesn't want to support you and will drag it out as long as they're allowed to because they hope you tire out and just quit.

@rodrigolivsan

4 ай бұрын

My mother had the same problem with her public pension for her retirement, because the government didn't want to release her pension (she's been trying to do this since 2018), so she decided to go to court to be able to retire and get the money that the state owed her. . She only finished this now in 2024...

Man you are my fav clipper rn. Love your stuff, you literally mainly upload all the ppl I want to know of too, grimmi, sayu and dearsqn are massive and somewhat under the radar. I'll take you as inspiration and make a channel.

It is funny how when things goes south, a lot of people jump off the boat and say "Oh yeah, I was always by your side", when this is just a lie, people are way too emotional in this environment and does not form own opinions, they get opinions from other people, and not from the situation, they grab opinions of youtubers, posts, anything besides their own, probably some people around are the same people who were flaming and sending death threats to Sayu is now saying they supported her since ever, just because shit hits the fan and is unable to turn a blind eye because they liked Selen better. Who remember the situation, remember the situation, and just like back then, and with Doki now, I do not care, sadly those employees with problems with their company do not pay my bills, I hope the best for both, but still, this do not affects me in any way and there is no possible way for me to go out of my way to give my opinions or "support" them and truly make a difference, people need to stop wanting to be part of everything and to form opinions based on other's people opinions.

Sayu is and always forever based.

Sayu's document was actually a big brain move because half the stuff we know of Niji was because of her. And even bigger brain not to sue

I get to know Zaion through her termination. I thought nothing of it because I don't know her, but then I watched the clip of Finana basically throwing her under the bus and I couldn't help but feel disgusted. I had already bad opinion of Finana since her "Educate yourself" moment, this doesn't help at all when she gets to badmouth someone who can't even respond back. But that was all the situation's impression left me. In hindsight, it was actually scummy of Nijisanji of publicly humiliating their (former) employee's termination, without letting her say her piece. Also, it feels to me like 6:20 Sayu is bitter, which is understandable. She got screwed so hard and ridiculised even though she was in a bad place, and Selen who is in a similar situation and yet get an entirely different reception and she got the support she dearly wanted then. I think deep inside she's a little jealous and may have some resentment, it's very human thing, but she's keeping it under wraps. Vindicated she may be now, I think she much prefer to move on and grow her channel. Though I don't know her really, I don't follow her, I'm just going after what little I know and this video and making sense about everything I know.

I wish suing a big company, starting a legal battle doesn't require a lot of money. Otherwise the big company is always gonna win against individuals or small companies... But Sayu already won, she already won our heart :) Respect for Sayu, she was mostly alone and she went through the battle alone

I did not know of Zaion before the Selen termination. The two reasons i want to support Sayu is because i as a Dragoon now have seen it happen to my Oshi, and because Sayu's stream cheered me up after Nijisanji interrupted our Neopet stream.

You know, 80% of the time hearing Sayu gives me a rollercoaster of empathy feelings; from bad things as being mistreated, left alone, abandoned to deal with things on her own, to even intrinsic stuffs of dealing with things that aren't going the way it should be, things that are wrong or bad, and most people just don't talk much about it. I'm *constantly* dealing with things like that everyday, questioning others on why things are the way they are, and why it can't be different, like... just better overall. But most of people just say I'm "uthopic" with things I envision, some sort of a dreamer, innocent and other stupidities. It's annoying most of the time, but time showed me that I'm swinging against the current if I'm sniffing things around like that. I wish I could have met Sayu in a different enviroment, far from the public preeing eyes, just a casual chit-chat, like normal people. Can't blame her for building a wall around her and constantly filtering people on her sphere of influence.

She was the better 'man', and by man I mean--she wish to best the angry crowd. She won over the PR. She won over your heart and support.

@DinnerForkTongue

4 ай бұрын

Took a long time but in the tribune of public opinion, she came out on top.

@definitelynotanAIchatbot

4 ай бұрын

🏳️‍⚧️❔️

watching this, once again very fortunate for me to find sayu channel not her og old supporter, but man glad to find her and her comunity too ofcourse

2:42 I'm so happy hearing that "Yay"

there should be laws in place to combat financial bleeding if a person is against a corporation. gee, it's almost like the system is set up to favor the side with deeper pockets, off-rip.

@Eins3467

4 ай бұрын

Surprise surprise! It's been like this ever since. It sucks...

You know, I'll admit that I've said a few times that I would love to see Sayu collab with Doki because they both kinda have this similar outcome from Niji but... now that I'm hearing Sayu's thoughts and feelings about her aftermath of what she gone through with all the bullying and such, I think it'll be better if Sayu plays with people that would actually want to foster a true friendship. Edit: I'm not implying at all that Doki didn't support Sayu behind the scenes when she was in The Company. Sayu did mentioned in a previous stream that Doki helped her out. Just wanted to clear that up.

@Piprup

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. We don't know even a fraction of what she knows. Selen might've been one of the people trash talking Zaion in a group chat or smt. Same with Nina, Mysta, etc. We'll most likely never know. So the best thing we can do is let Sayu choose who she wants to collab with

@TheDrexxus

4 ай бұрын

Zaion was only in Niji like 3 months, i'm not sure she and Selen ever even interacted with each other. I think that is also one of the reasons why she didn't get the same level of support. She only worked there a couple of months before getting fired. She barely knew anyone, barely did anything. But Selen had been an integral part of the company for years, had interactions and collabs and friendships with everybody. Then to see all of those "friends" stab her in the back and back corpo was just heartbreaking and gutwrenching.

@Striga889

4 ай бұрын

@@Piprup Given Sayu's response (on twitter) to Selen's termination, and her talking about how much Selen helped her while under the corpo, this is extremely unlikely. They probably want to wait for the fire to die down beforehand, and Doki looks like she has a ton of other things she wants to do with her newfound freedom rather than have a collab just to trigger the nijisisters.

@iazy47

4 ай бұрын

​@@Striga889yeah true , she replies with doki tweet after termination notice seen she have good relationships with doki. Don't forget after she replied to doki tweet she also get harassment again by nijisister, this probably why she will not collab with doki in shorts time

@juampisito

4 ай бұрын

Maybe with Doki is fine but I am sure she is not willing to collab with Kyo and the recent members that are being happy flower with each others recently. Doki has not interacted with them either.

There's a key difference between winning the case, and coming out of the case better than when you went in. It's scummy af, but that's always the corpo's calculation. How can we make it so that even if they win, they come out worse in the end. It's how they avoid lawsuits. Sayu showing a lot of wisdom in picking her battles, and having good legal counsel that understands that just because you have a winning case doesn't always mean that you should fight it out.

@hunzukunz

4 ай бұрын

Its not the corpos who are scummy in this case. Its corrupt governments who make the rules favouring those companies.

@DinnerForkTongue

4 ай бұрын

@@hunzukunz Both are scummy. Who do you think _pays_ the corrupt governments to make the rules like that?

@JDJeanMichel

4 ай бұрын

@@DinnerForkTongue Trueeeeee

@JDJeanMichel

4 ай бұрын

@@hunzukunz Nah, you can't absolve evil by pushing it off on someone else. Litigation is a tool, and can be misused. Is the company who made the hammer evil, or is it the person who used the hammer to bash in the head of their victim? It's the person who wielded the hammer, obviously.

@hunzukunz

4 ай бұрын

@@JDJeanMichel that feels like a false equivalent. companies are doing whatever is in their interest. they are using every loophole they can find and even if they get bonked, they eat the relatively small punishment and keep going. all according to the system. we can talk about whether thats how companies should operate, but realistically they are not the ones who are ever going to change. what has to change is creating a system in which they really do not want to abuse their employees, because it would hurt them significantly. the thing is a company can be 'evil' without any single person working there being 'evil'. just by one person doing their job, another person gets fucked.

8:54 this is what makes her a great streamer imo and what will make a hefty portion of her new subscribers stay. Sadly I wonder if she will feel like her growth is earned, and this part is why I say it is. After all there's a reason a company once upon a time said "oh she's really good" out of hundreds of applicants. Best we can do is be there for her now.

That little dancing sayu thing has my undivided attention. its sooo cuuuuute

Rennie just jammin' in the background the whole time.

Look no further than the Billy Mitchell case with Twin Galaxies on how money dragged out the legal process even though Billy would have lost had it actually went to court.

For me I just hope sayu finds her happiness through all this I'm glad I followed after the Zion drama and I'm even glad I stayed at her community since she deserves everything that she had right now

It's one thing to learn about these things and learn what a company did wrong. It's another to give unsolicited legal advice to someone who has a lawyer or was previously working with a lawyer. I think a lot of the reason why no one's giving Doki unsolicited legal advice is because she has said she has a lawyer; Sayu never said that she did up front but you could infer from how carefully she had been talking about everything that a lawyer had been involved. What we as onlookers should be doing is learning and spreading awareness, nothing more. Niji is losing the PR war, and sometimes that's the best result; that being them with lots of egg on their face and a load of shame. She doesn't need a big payout from a suit but I bet seeing a toxic workplace go down is cathartic as all hell.

This is totally selfish from my part, but honestly, I don't want Sayu close to any ex-rainbow. It will just fuel the flames, and there is nothing to gain. I have that "I already won" feeling that I don't care at all about them.

@balargus319

4 ай бұрын

It is probably for the best that Dokibird and Sayu keep distant. Even if the Dragoons and the Syndicate have found common cause. Our leaders will remain separate.

@salkryeful

4 ай бұрын

That doesn't sound selfish. Sounds more like caring and consideration especially for Sayu's mental wellbeing tbh.

I truly feel sorry for her I supported her when she was fired as she was by far my favorite that niji came out with in a few gens she was totally alone doki has the whole community coming to her support but sayu had the exact opposite the whole community was against her

Im saying this as someone who only knew Zaion at first before Sayu. I was definitely one of those ppl that believed the termination post and was like "Oh damn she did all that?" But, when she posted her side i thought about it and went to sub to her. Honestly, i didn't really like Zaion's content at first. But, that was because she was new and not for any other reason. I gave her a sub to pretty much watch her growth and how she is doing in general. I'll pop in every other stream and enjoy myself. If she was there a bit longer like Doki was, she would've gotten much more support from Niji fans.

I'm so sorry that this flew under my radar a year ago. If it weren't for Doki going through what she did, I never would have known what Sayu went through. I have a feeling this will be swept under the rug soon enough, people will forget the victims and it'll be business as usual for the agency. It's sad to say but that's how it is going to go. But the people in this moment know what happened and we'll remember.

Sayu: "Nah i would win"

Glad to support our Donkey!

mann, sayu's soo cute. rennie's chibi art sooo cute too

This is what Saul Goodman said to that one community service supervisor.

Damn, her rigging is nuts.

1:23 very VERY true But you can still push though sometimes and win but the money will never come back. In the end sometimes is it worth it.

Yea it's sad but Money is key in Court. Much Love for Sayu

Sayu is real, I love that.

It's enough that they can talk about it and that the company's rep gets hurt, that's causes them a loss without ever having to take them to court and someone to use up all their resources trying to fight them in that arena. Niji clearly feels the sting now, that's what's important. They clearly do because of all the steps they've taken following Selen's termination, it was more costly than they'd expected it to be. Doki doesn't have to pursue anything, let Niji burn itself down and don't give it your support. It's more impactful on their bottom line than any court settlement.

Give her some time boys she went through alot of pain let her do what she wants for now and maybe someday she might collab with someone you like

@juampisito

4 ай бұрын

Man, do you not realize most people people mention bullied her insanely when she was suspended... it is a betrayal, she won't collab with them. People are dumb sometimes

She's a bigger person than I am, because I would've absolutely posted a list of the people who attacked her but supported Doki. They deserve to be dragged for their hypocrisy.

@balargus319

4 ай бұрын

I must admit, as a former skeptic of Zaion now seeking redemption... I can't help but wonder if it is fair that Finana has escaped the same fire of judgement unleashed upon Dokibird's victimizers.

@mostpolitebot1464

4 ай бұрын

don't worry her career has been stagnant ever since she dropped that "educate yourself" thing back then and she still lost approximately 26k subs in 30 days so it's just a matter of time @@balargus319

@balargus319

4 ай бұрын

​@@mostpolitebot1464 After watching Millie and Elira forced into hiding and Ike barricading his comments sections with mods, it still feels like Finana was a bit of a karma houdini... Was there any connection between Finana, Kotoka, and Kyo to the Pendora clique?

@GigiS2

4 ай бұрын

@@balargus319stop. you hear a girl talking about her experience with harassment and the first thing comes to your mind is to harass someone else

@balargus319

4 ай бұрын

@@GigiS2 you are right. I apologize and may delete the offending comment.

Unfortunate this had to be said and the video made.

I feel I owe her an apology for walking away when things went down a year ago. I should've seen the writing on the wall, but didn't.

Off topic but her model is so expressive

...I'll just... go to the depression corner...

Now could people PLEASE stop assuming Dokibird is already suing Nijisanji? Also would be nice if they stop saying she NEEDS to, because this makes even more clear that Dokibird SHOULDN'T be interested in pursuing that, let alone that she has clearly conveyed that she doesn't want to regardless.

This was clearly very traumatic for her. I really hope she have a good Friends/Family support group IRL.

I think legal mindset also said in some of the legal things could be eaten by California.

@PhillyCh3zSt3ak

4 ай бұрын

That's the main reason you go for a legal consultation. Consultations help the lawyer in question find out the scope of the case and what you as the client want to do. California /could/ eat some of the costs, but it's very probable that she did ask the lawyer what her options were with the state, especially after learning her rights as a worker in Cali. The lawyer probably told her the same thing that she told her viewers that stream: "I could win, but they'd drag it out so I'd lose." Basically, it would be a phyrric victory for her at best. And it's still very possible she could go to the Cali Labor Commission and drop a fat tip about Niji dodging fees for operating as a talent agency in Cali. But at this point does she think it's worth it to do? Not sure but that's up to her.

@RudockAviar

4 ай бұрын

@@PhillyCh3zSt3ak That's not an end-all, though. Look what happened with Vic Mignogna vs. Funi & Friends. Ultimately Vic dropped the suit because he felt like he was vindicated enough (all he wanted was to redeem his good name and he got that in spades).

@michaelpatterson7990

4 ай бұрын

She could win if she attacks, but it would be difficult because of niji's pockets. But, according to the statutes, niji didn't fulfill their responsibilities to operate with talents in California and therefore violated California labour law, making their contract invalid. This means that if she ever decided to talk about things they don't want her to and niji came after her, California would be the ones dealing with niji not her. At least I'm fairly certain that was what Legal Mindset arrived at.

@r99azm80

4 ай бұрын

@@RudockAviar That's right. Why wasting more time and money when you already vindicated yourself and win the court of public opinion.

I only wish that I had known about her at that time.

ONly way a laesuit would happen is if the former members did a class action, but even that would hurt them more than the company and would not make the corpo change.

I wasn't really follwing Niji at the time she was with them so i was completely out of the loop for qll of this, but its awful what she went though and its awful what the company and community did to her. Im sure all of this has opened old wounds too. Glad to see shes doing better and at least vindicated by most of the community.

People need to leave her alone for gods sake.

If you remember Roa with dramatuber case, that case take a years.

I was kinda new when the Zaion thing happened so i didn't knew what was about, but i remember seen so many channels of other vtubers like Kenji throwing her under the bus for her jokes or the statement that Niji post for her termination. It's kinda vexing because is not the first time i see this happening to someone and this only help create villains. Nice to see she is still pure, i would become way less kind for sure

Poor Rennie sitting there fighting her PC that just cant stop lagging

Sayu Lost far too much and I don't think anyone could truly understand what she had gone and going thru to this Day even those closes to her 💔

I completely understand her even though I've not been burned the same way she has, I have gone through something similar back in school. I used to be extremely hardly bullied so I ended up going to martial art training and physical body training so I could beat my bullies instead of them beating me, when I did? many of the people who supported the bullies and bullied me started wanting to become ""friends"" with me and acted like we were ""best pals"" and all I could see was them just hopping on another bigger stronger persons shoulders to lift themselves up, they didn't care about the bullies, didn't care about me, they only care about who was strongest, who were most popular, who could they kissed the most ass to be left alone or get something themselvesæ..... only people who support you when everyone else is against you truly support you and are with you people who don't support you when everyone else is against you, due to various reasons and only starts supporting you due to the people being against you being proven wrong? or no longer being as strong or as wealthy or as popular and then start supporting you???? never supported you truly and they don't support your truly it's only temporary.

see i know this but god i hate how that works, its pretty fucked good on her for lawyering up though (even if she didnt end up going the route), respect also 100% get her on the indies bandwagoning, i felt for her when it happened

Actually Legal Mindset mentioned that to in a prior stream.

Another important thing to remember: If there is a legal difference between Japan and the US, and she were to lean on that to get some legal mess going in a way that would be entirely justified, the result could be that she's banned from ever going to Japan. For several reasons, she probably would not be willing to do that. On top of the expected risks.