Commenting this since a few people brought it up, Shisui being poisoned doesn't change anything as his statements and showings are still extremely ambiguous. The most consistent thing about him is that he's ~ to Itachi Pre MS. Shisui being poisoned would also just be the novel interpretation of the fight, with there being multiple interpretations of the encounter.

@minatouchiha9971

Жыл бұрын

Mei Terumi vs Kisame Hosigaki who would be the mists mizukage if he joined the rebel forces

@jayash2957

Жыл бұрын

Shisui is not on par with pre ms itachi In there fights they didnt use sharigan So at most he is only equal to base shisui Shisui had ms for almost 10 years so itachi getting ms doesn't automatically mean he passes him shisui speed also scales far above that itachi in base And even more so with ms active So while shisui took the fight serious he also gave itachi a fair fight by handicapping himself

@weskintime4177

Жыл бұрын

Using the highest interpretations and even giving him his game-only PERFECT SUSANOO (like why does he have a perfect Susanoo) he should be Sanin level by upscaling from Itachi who the Uchiha clan were confident in him kidnapping Hiruzen with his speed and Itachi’s own statement about Shisui being stronger than himself.

@AidenB1010

Ай бұрын

@@jayash2957shisui did use sharingan just not MS and having ms but not using it isnt even close to the amp he could get when compared to itachi awakening his ms and immediately wiping out the entire uchiha

@jayash2957

Ай бұрын

@@AidenB1010 stop acting like you know what you’re talking about this is directly from the novel🔽 “They had already gone fifteen rounds, with breaks of about three minutes after each one, resulting in six wins for Itachi and nine for Shisui. The only rule was no sharingan; everything else was fair game. Sharingan was off limits because the visual technique used up a large amount of chakra, and they wanted to spar for as long as possible. The shuriken they flung at each other clashed in the air, and flew off in some unexpected direction. “

I personally would say that shisuis biggest feat is the scene where ao and shisui confronted each other. Shisui put some anbu at a distance more than 100 meters in a genjutsu and then ao saw him with his byakugan and shitted himself and said that hey have to retreat because its shisui. That could theoretically mean that he has a run on sight order which would put him on high kage or sanin tier

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely genjutsu would be the main thing for him

@EmperorDrago

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG what is OM What is TG?

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Orange Mask Obito

@EmperorDrago

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG TG?

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Thundergod as in my channel name abbreviated

every time you think Naruto content can’t be fresh, this man puts out another video. 🙌🏻

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Bro blessing with the words appreciate it fam

In Itachi Shinden it was noted that an Suguru Aburame who was in Root, poisoned Shisui which delayed his senses and allowed Danzo the time to take an eye

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Just addressed this in the pinned comment since multiple people brought it up, it still doesn't change too much or allow Shisui to be placed crazy high.

Itachi did murder his clan but he had help from Obito and his father didn’t even attempt to defend himself despite having his own mangekyo . Itachi and Obito were both very talented but of the Uchiha really defended themselves then it would likely not have been as close to a pure genocide. And the deaths of so many uchiha would likely result in many mangekyo’s

@bobjohnson1633

Жыл бұрын

Fugaku, Shisui, Obito, and Itachi are the only seriously powerful Uchiha after the third war. Nobody could have stopped Itachi.

@Handsomeguy-kj2jg

Жыл бұрын

Yeah most uchiha clan are fodder with the police force being high class jonin, and only fugaku and shisui being possibly kage level

I really wish we got more from EMS Sasuke. Great video TG

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Thank you brother ✊🏻

Another banger TG 🤑🤧

Great video bro. I think it might have been a little mire consumer friendly if you went in order from weakest to strongest Uchiha, so it would be a linear progression of each Sasuke version instead of jumping around. Just my opinion, but still a great video idea, and will executed keep it up 💪🏽

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I definitely agree I should have reordered it a bit, appreciate the love fam

Great video bro 💪🏽

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Thank you bruv

W video idea and execution

First , yessss sir! Another fire vidd

Bonus Character Mikoto Uchiha. Confirmed to be jonin level before having kids. Early Shippuden Sasuke.

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

This video is fire, but Asura's Wrath video when???

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Mann the thumbnail is sketched up and being finished it looks 🔥🔥 really wanna make the upload special, if you’re around next stream I’ll show it off, BUT ITS COOKING

12:24 You can make an argument for final EMS Sasuke (the one who contributed for the Majestic Attire)

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I definitely agree

Almost 10k 👀

I like that you set Sasuke at that time at lower to mod jounin level. Some folks were talking Kage.

Finally someone other than swag and six who knows what they’re talking about

Shisui is literally fodder in every version of his lore he gets destroyed by Danzo with no Sharingan arm. Even if he was poisoned in the novels he still got bodied by Danzo and some nameless aburame clan member

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Bro has gotten clapped in every iteration lmao

@Sweetlesishere

Жыл бұрын

I think the aburame poison was an afterthought Kishimoto wrote in to retcon his loss to Danzo to be less embarrassing.

@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10

Жыл бұрын

@UCpadtsCTG_ukkB773zfdK3A I guess that's true but most clans in konoha aren't weak they just don't have [any members with] much focus. Shino is only relevant for two fights in part 1 out of the Aburame. InaShikaCho is heavily carried in relevance by Shikamaru and Choji [sometimes] the yamaka clan is so irrelevant. The uzumaki [the main characters clan] has characters that play an important role, sure but aside from Kushina's story we have little lore about them. The Uchiha clearly are the main focus when it comes to fleshing out clans.

@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10

Жыл бұрын

@UCpadtsCTG_ukkB773zfdK3A Aside from the 3rd hokage and Asuma debatably, the sarutobi have little known about them other than Madara was suprised they accepted to join Konoha. The hyuga are initially hyped up as better than the Uchiha even down to the dojutsu. The way Neji interacts with Sasuke in the early chunin exams suggests the clans may have been rivals. Unfortunately Neji ends up as wasted potential in shippuden and Hinata is only relevant when her relationship with Naruto is the focus, the sharingan lore also expands to the point the byakugan pales in comparison to it. The tenseigsn which is the hyuga equivalent of the rinnegan or mangekyou sharingan requires a whole sacred ritual and as shown with Toneri the benefits are lost after one intense fight. The otusuki are having their lore expanded on Boruto which has a lot of people divided based on their opinions on the clan and Boruto. Speaking of Boruto, Konohamaru's treatment is a disrespect to the sarutobi name. Finally, outside of the senju that were Hokage we know nothing about the clan as whole

@JohnJohnson-do3db

Жыл бұрын

Shisui was stated as the strongest uchiha at the time that he killed himself. Meaning he was stronger than itachi who like weeks later no diffs orochimaru and stronger than fugaku who was a hokage candidate even without people knowing he has ms. In the iterations he either gets caught off guard due to the surprise of danzo using izanagi then plucking his eye, or danzo plucks his eye due to shisui being poisoned, danzo never defeats him in a fight. How is that fodder

Cool video

I am just saying we don’t know how strong the Senju adults and other clans were in the waring states period. While you could argue constant conflict makes them stronger there is an argument of current adults being much stronger due to things like the Chunin exams existing and the sharing of knowledge between different clans

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I think there’s definitely a case for sure, it’s just the fact he’s performing those kind of feats in base against a clan who would have full knowledge on the Sharingan. It is a bit ambiguous but, not inconsistent

TG! What about Zabuza & Haku vs each Akatsuki member 2vs1??? 👀

12:10 he was also poisoned by Sugaru (a code name for an aburame clan member) which could've been the issue in his fight

Bro I think that I have an interesting idea for an episode: Edo Nagato and Edo Itachi vs The 5 kage (from Madara fight)

@bobjohnson1633

Жыл бұрын

Itachi tsukuyomis the large, no diff. EMS and infinite chakra is that broken

Dude ur video ideas are fucking supreme keep it up

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Thank you man really appreciate it 🔥✊🏻

Are you gonna reupload your itachi vs pain video I remember it being much better than the others I’ve seen

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I’m gonna remake it wasn’t satisfied with how it came out

@lizzog4553

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG ok thanks looking forward to it

Brother uploadeddddds

How would Part 1 Team 7 do on the Kannabi Bridge mission?

You should do madra vs the five hokkage

REALLY wish Sasuke learned Sage Mode and kept his curse mark. He would do so much better in these fights

@natnael13

Жыл бұрын

Would have been way too op with sage mode along with ems 😂, amped up physicals with sensory capabilities on top of ems abilities, and Amaterasu and susanoo.

@revalier3670

Жыл бұрын

@@natnael13😂 Sasuke needed to be nerf for the plot but he definitely could have gotten sage mode

@vishbegamin

Жыл бұрын

@@natnael13 I mean Naruto has sage mode with Kurama butting in whether they get along or not. If anything it would’ve made the 5 Kage summit and onward matchups closer

@manny9191

Жыл бұрын

I say the same with tobirama lol

@jaihys5897

Жыл бұрын

Did y’all just forget he has sage jutsu 😭😭 the rinnegan and s06p?

Hold on lets just talk about the two Jonin for a second. They were out of chakra and still chose to body flicker in front of two opponents a piece. So thats means they were aware that they were both out of chakra and it doesn't matter how many enemies there were. It could have been 2 or 4 enemies. they would have still given their lives out of a sense of duty for Konoha. These 2 definitely were Hokage candidates.

The data books have this odd state about Kimimaru's kekkei genkei being the ultimate form of taijutsu, which is weird given characters like Tsunade and the 4th Raikage were around at the time

@jocoolshow

Жыл бұрын

I’d take statements made before certain characters appear with a grain of salt Like Hiruzen being the strongest of the 5 Kage being made before the 4th Raikage was introduced, but then later on the 4th Raikage even during the 3rd War era was known for being a rival to Minato, who was stronger than Hiruzen Issue here is Tsunade was actually introduced and Kimimaro isn’t anywhere close to her

@SenderistaMohawk

Жыл бұрын

@@jocoolshow I think it's actually fair to assume Kimimaru is sannin level given that Orochimaru thought he would be useful against Hiruzen and dead bone pulse was stated to be the ultimate combat ability long after Tsunade was introduced

@sageoverheaven

Жыл бұрын

​@@jocoolshow The Kimimaro you saw fought a Kage Level Jinchuriki while literally on the verge of death, and both Kabuto and Orochimaru agree his mere presence at the Konoha Crush mission would have resulted in Hiruzen failing to do the damage he did. He's definitely competing with high Kage tier characters.

Kid obito did help with Kakashi but remember Kakashi did recently lose his eye and wasn’t in the best shape

Sasuke finally deciding to follow Itachi's path. Homeboy would still love him though.

The Last Sasuke is overkill for Dual Rinnegan Madara and Ten Tails Obito, Final Valley Sasuke is washing them individually at least.

Not just Jonin. Jonin from the leaf village.💯

Imagine an Uchiha using the flying raijin

Sounds like I’m not the only one who thinks kid Kakashi was super overrated and would not be a Jonin by modern standards 👀

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I should have added this to the vid but, Jonnin Minato also sets Kakashi to Jonnin level in Generations and fights him so it's not just due to the village being weak at the time

@B00MR0ASt3D

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG I mean, don’t get me wrong he’s strong, but people act like kid. Kakashi would just wash every genin in the Konoha 12 because he’s technically a Jonin, even though these MFs have been fighting Jonin from the first arc. Meanwhile Kid Kashi was losing to scrubs… don’t tell me that dude who could turn invisible that was beating Kashi and Obito 2v1 ain’t getting Molly whopped by any of the sound 4, let alone Kimomaro. Meaning Kid Kashi would get stomped by any of the Leaf Jonin of Naruto’s era, he just go promoted cuz he was smart, they were weak, and they needed soldiers

Holy shit, duelist of the roses

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

GOATED HE GOT THAT!!! I was hoping someone would catch it 😂

@GodKiller97

Жыл бұрын

I spent wayyyyyyy too many hours playing it as a kid. This video is goated

@GodKiller97

Жыл бұрын

Also peep the avi

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Yessir😂😂

I’m not so sure about runner assume vs juubito because juubito has more destructive capability than sasuke despite him being able to cancel out the truth seeker orbs. Obito can also regenerate and has endless chakra so sasuke can’t outlast him either

Not true considering there are multiple variables to this like Danzo having prep time with the Arabume to poison keyword "poison" to massively lower shisui fighting capabilities also a point of reference is that shisui had his guard down to making it easier for Danzo to capitalize on capturing shisui eyes, so shisui being below Danzo is never stated at all, one more thing it that throughout the series shisui and itachi scales above Danzo, the only version of danzo that would stand a chance is his prime version in the 2nd shinobi war.

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

That's only in the novel interpretation there are multiple showings. I won't deny he's nerfed but, if you were gonna argue for him it'd have to be Genjutsu other than that he's only ~ to Itachi Pre MS

obito in konan fight had 2 sharingan why didn't he use susanoo n fly away

Shisui was fucking poisoned and then caught off guard... Danzo also already had a few Sharingan

Adult Obito is someone we will never know the true power because of White Zetsu.

@bobjohnson1633

Жыл бұрын

All of his feats are white zetsu feats. 90% of his strength is spamming mangekyo which would leave him blind after a couple fights like happened to Sasuke. Obito has powerful eyes, but he was no itachi.

@kobemeriez7860

Жыл бұрын

@@bobjohnson1633 He was way better than itachi. He couldn't go blind and he had one of the best mangekyo abilities so u do the maths

In the novel, which is canon, Shisui got poisoned with a neurotoxin before the fight.

My scale: Part 1 Kakashi Itachi post-uchiha massacre joining Akatsuki & no diffing Orochimaru = Obito when he fought Minato. Start of of shippuden to when Sasuke kills Orochimaru. Sasuke (base sharingan) is more powerful than at the time Kakashi, Shisui, Fugaku (all using base sharingan, and the Itachi that joined the Akatsuki.

@jayash2957

Жыл бұрын

Shisui is stronger than akatsuki itachi

@TheHulkbuster13

Жыл бұрын

@@jayash2957 Shisui is around Danzo. Even if you say he's more powerful than Danzo. the Danzo that MS Sasuke fought during the five kage summit was stronger than what Shisui fought and Edo Itachi was compared to/greater than EMS Sasuke during their kabuto fight and it was stated that prior to the Uchiha massacre that Itachi (base/sharingan) wasn't too far off, even comparable to Shisui (base/sharigan).

But how can sasuke from the last even damage duel Mangekyo sharingan obito???

Is it just me or did we need to spend more time with just normal ms sasuke🤔 feel like his eye design then was better cus it wasn’t so cluttered

You didn't do a spot on saruda. :(

Pretty sure Sasuke wasn't on par with KCM Naruto, I thought that was obvious

As long as it's not specifically called "Strongest Dojutsu ever existed" you can't really use this for sclaing...of course he'll have the strongest dojutsu, because every other dojutsu that the people of this time know about...is the Byakugan 🤷‍♂️😂

7:35 the thing is with the whole minato scaling to kcm1 raikage levels, is that its weird because, kcm naruto could not really get pass the raikage until at the end when he was mental amped to the max, the raikage was not bloodlusted at naruto either as he would be of minato, so its not the same feat, rekative but not the same, and for proof raikage did not think much of him which is narrative, even while naruto was struggling to blitz raikage, Ay was busy hyping the fuck out of minato and how powerful and legendary he was, remember naruto is right infront of him. Then in the naruto guy kakashi ms and killer ve vs whitemask obito, kakashi never got any resemblance of minato from naruto in kcm1, they were relative to kcm1 it was like just another strong fighter alongside themselves, they did not compare naruto in kcm1 any at all to minato, until naruto hit kcm2 where he deflect 5 bijuu bomb, guy was like "so fast", kakashi mistaken naruto for minato for the first time in terms of speed, remember this is kcm2, so its clear the only time naruto is compared to minato is when naruto is mental amped to the max like against the raikage who did not wanna kill and had one arm and is clearly only similar because its same fighter(4th raikage) and the other real time is in kcm2 first transformation which is kinda a mental amp to because of coop with kurama, so i would say base on this minato scale Bove kcm1.

Really underestimate Kage summit Sasuke He grew alot against Danzo

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

My personal take is that by the very end right before he burnt out he was ~ to his EMS self as he obtains that same susanoo with flame control in the susanoo’s hand

@elhood4060

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG exactly 💯 Not many could survive that so I feel Fugaku, Shisui and Izuna should be around there but it's debatable so yeah EMS is quite definitive

Which version of naruto beats each hokage as a video?

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Watch the ending lmao got it in the works

@JohnJohnson-do3db

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG lmao I was commenting while still watching

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

My man lmaoooo

Which dude from fortnite is the strongest

16:40 That Is Exactly Not True, I Think In The Databook It Was Said That Kakashi Managed To Stay Intangible While Also Attacking And Using Kamui Raikiri

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Obito can also attack while using Kamui, he holds the Tailed Beast Chain from the Kamui dimension. Kakashi basically just used Kamui to suprise Kaguya in that instance. Where is it stated he stayed intangible while attacking? Staying intangible while kneading chakra I can get but, that attacking bit is crazy

@ezequielinsaurralde5058

Жыл бұрын

​@@ThunderGodTG Yep, Obito Used Kamui While Using The Gedo Chakra Chain On The Five-Tails, And Later He Used Kamui While Stealing Six Paths Sage Chakra + A Piece Of One-Tails And Eight-Tails From Madara. And The Exact Info About The Raikiri Pretty Much Says This: Databook 4 Profile, Kakashi, Authorithy Of Gods Lighting Cutter (Kamui Raikiri): An Amped Version Of Kakashi's Original Ninjutu. It's Raikiri Bearing Kamui Power. A Godspeed Thrust Is Executed, *Together With The Phasing Effect* The Pierced Part Of The Enemy's Body Is Instantly Warped Into The Other Dimension.

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I still wouldn’t make the leap that they can materialize while using jutsu as Obito still has the same restriction while using techniques, even the databook for Kakashi doesn’t inherently mean as such after looking for it,, I believe it just means the combo of technique not that Kakashi can materialize and phase at the same time

@ezequielinsaurralde5058

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG "as Obito still has the same restriction while using techniques" We Dont Really Know, As Obito Was Pretty Much In His Death Bed Once He Got The Other Mangekyo, He Didint Got A Change To "Use" Them. (He Literally Got His Second Sharingan, Opened Couple Of Portals And Died By Kaguya's Ash-Bone Attack, We Dont Know His Powers Or Restrictions Other Than When Kakashi Was The One Using Them) Maybe The Boost Of Having Two Kamui Lets The User Attack And Be Intagible At The Same Time

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it is a possibility to be sure we just don’t know, the way the scene plays out doesn’t make it 100% clear either but I digress either way it’s a solid feat just depends on how you interpret

I agree that EMS Sasuke>OM Obito, but not that MKCM Naruto>KCM2 Naruto. It really doesn't make sense, it's just him with less chakra. If anything, it just means Wood Style is faster than Obito's Kamui jutsu/fire style/falling down from Kamui. Especially since KCM2 Naruto did react to/tag Obito multiple times. Also I think EMS Sasuke>WM Obito. Like you said, he's keeping up with a way stronger form of Obito and EMS Sasuke~BSM Naruto>>>KCM2 Naruto~WM Obito. And idk if DMS Obito is Kakashi level, considering Base Kakashi showed relativity to him when they were running to intercept Kaguya's ash bones.

@dillianwhyte443

Жыл бұрын

That Obito had all the tailed beast ripped out of him, fighting against zetsu and was exhausted after trying to find Sasuke and Naruto in the other Dimensions. If we talking healthy Obito he would be stronger than Kakashi.

@dillianwhyte443

Жыл бұрын

But yes I agree DMS Obito is way weaker than Kakashi at this point.

@AlanJia8

Жыл бұрын

@@dillianwhyte443 He wasn't fighting Zetsu at that point, I'm pretty sure Sakura was bearing the brunt of the strain, and if we're talking fully healthy, that'd just be hypothetical, and talking about the version that actually existed makes more sense imo

@dillianwhyte443

Жыл бұрын

@Alan J How? Dude was hunched over ever since he got the Bijuu ripped out. Stop the cap. Also that idea of basing Kakashi and Obito power on how fast they could reach naruto and Sasuke doesn't make sense. Naruto, Sasuke and even Kaguya couldn't stand up. So based on that I guess both Obito and Kakashi are the strongest.

@AlanJia8

Жыл бұрын

@@dillianwhyte443 What are you saying how in response to? Eh idk if it's that they couldn't or just that they couldn't keep it up for a prolonged period of time. And anyways they both had massive resolve amps, so it doesn't matter to their regular scaling. It's like how with a resolve amp, Naruto blitzed Kaguya from dozens of meters away.

I think Fugaku and Shisui are stronger than Sasuke until the man gets at most eternal mangekyo. I'd say Itachi gets close.Same with Obito pre renningan, with a bit of advantage. Madara( no tailed beat) handles him I'd say until end game Sasuke...and I think it's a toss up even then. Supposedly Izuna scales ish to Madara so. I don't know enough about Kagami to say anything on him.

Plot hole why didn’t even uchia during the massacre unlock they’re mongyeko sharingan 😒 it doesn’t make sense weren’t they seeing they’re literal family and friends dying and none of them unlocked it but obito did when he saw just one of his friend die

@MILDMONSTER1234

Жыл бұрын

Some probably did but unlocking an MS doesn’t mean much when you die immediately afterwards

Shisui in the novels explains better

Ok So I'd say Chunin exams Sasuke beats kid Obito due to Being way faster as he is as Fast as Weightless Lee during the Chunin exams finals Plus Chidori and the fact he would have more experience with the Sharingan than that version of Obito

Start of shippuden sasuke beats Shisui.. honestly. Shisui doesn’t scale past pre massacre pre MS Itachi. And even then he was slightly inferior to that itachi and was about 12/13 years old. And he got smacked by pre sharingan arm Danzo. MS Sasuke during the Danzo fight low difs him quite easily.

@jayash2957

Жыл бұрын

This is false shisui is not on par with pre ms itachi

@Derrick20121000

Жыл бұрын

@@jayash2957 yes he was. Itachi was stronger though yes.

@jayash2957

Жыл бұрын

@@Derrick20121000 he literally wasnt they only faught in base and shisuis speed scales higher than that itachi shisui had ms for almost ten years worth of time grow his power with ms the power gap between them is larger than you think Shisui took the fight serious but he def handicapped himself

@jayash2957

Жыл бұрын

All like to assume just because they “equal in base” that once itachi got ms he based him But just like sasuke getting ms doesn't mean he is stronger than itachi The same can be said for shisui and itachi

I disagree on the take of EMS Sasuke beating any MS use. Edo Itachi and 2 MS Obiti still beat him to me. Kamui is just that strong and then throw Itachi's susanoo.

whos stronger? vergil or dante?

@MILDMONSTER1234

Жыл бұрын

The only time Vergil was ever stronger then Dante was at the beginning of 3 lol. Ever since it’s either Dante wins or they are equals

@duduthekid

Жыл бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234 i think thats bc dante is the mc

guy said minato isn’t as fast at kcm1 😭😭

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Time stamp where I said that, I said he’s commonly compared to KCM1 and the Raikage don’t try and be foul in comments

Actually itachi couldn’t defeat the uchiha clan by himself. That’s why he needed obitos help.

Thunder bro, you gotta stop sleeping on EMS Sasuke, the undervaluing in the community is insane. The guy kept up with BSM Naruto while only using an incomplete legged Susano'o and a shittier version of SM (Curse Mark). And there's no proof Naruto's cloak is responsible for this as he was able to manifest even stronger PS without the cloak right afterwards.

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I’m telling you I’m in the one hyped him up lmao go watch my Team Taka vs the Hokage video, I never say his cloak is responsible either? I just say people will discredit him due to the cloak.

@marko1263

Жыл бұрын

​@@ThunderGodTG You're way better than Swagkage and others but even you don't give him PS lmao. His PS is unquantifiable because they merged but it's definitely stronger than the curse mark incomplete Susano'o that was relative to BSM Naruto.

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I definitely agree it’s just as you said though, it’s unquantifiable so it’s extremely difficult to use.

@marko1263

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGodTG Yeah but it sucks that everyone thinks BSM Naruto neg diffs for some reason even though with PS Sasuke should be at least on par.

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

I definitely think that sasuke is more ~ to that Naruto than people actually give credit for so we're of the same opinion

kid kakashi is not jonin level, in that flashback its said multiple times the leaf was at his lowest point so its logical they would promote people faster, i refuse to believe kid kakashi with no sharingan and incomplete chidori is in the same tier or even close to adult guy, asuma even those jonin that were beaten by the sound four

@kleatise52

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Low jonin tier. I don’t think you understand how vast the jonin tier is. He was definitely jonin level considering he could use earth style & shadow clones in the academy.

@charlotedavid3531

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Didn't he fight stone jonin?, besides, Asuma and Guy are terrible comparisons, they are top 5 jonin in the village easily.

@kleatise52

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@@charlotedavid3531 exactly. Oh, and konoha jonin are the strongest in the world.

@drowning.macaco

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@@kleatise52 clones is literally what you need to pass the exam, chunin exams sasuke has sharingan and chidori and he is not close to jonin level

@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10

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@@kleatise52 honestly I think that kid Kakashi is at mid to high chunin considering as the generations go on genin like Sasuke, Neji and even Naruto are able to do things like create shadow clones and master multiple chakra nature's. In theory due to a decent amount of the new generation surpassing the old generation I think what would be considered jonin level during Kakashi's generation would be considered chunin level in Naruto's due to the standards for shinobi rising if that makes sense.

All dem uchihers gonna die and make papa Tobirama proud

Shizuoka only lost because he had lit killing poison and his abilities were weakened

shisui so boo boo 😭 cant believe ppl voted for him so he can get clapped again

@ThunderGodTG

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It’s really insane how people wanna see him get worked 2.0

@jayash2957

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He really isnt yall just programmed to think that

@ItsWork_

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@@jayash2957 danzo…

I'd argue that Final Valley Sasuke (Bijuu Susanoo) is stronger than DMS Obito and Juubidara

@ThunderGodTG

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I would be inclined to agree I didn’t include that as some people might perceive it as not a version of Sasuke

@mysteriousman7821

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You would be wrong, Dms Kakashi would still be way more haxed. And Juubidara already had the juubi so his Susanoo would look similar to that. Now include Limbo clones doing the same thing, Sasuke loses that.

@diaabnasir471

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@@mysteriousman7821 you’re wanking kakashi. DMS doesn’t make him suddenly comparable to the likes of end of series Sasuke and Naruto. Overall, he still has far less Hax. Sasuke has an EMS AND Rinnegan. In a battle of the eyes, Sasuke will always win.

@mysteriousman7821

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@@diaabnasir471 You realize Dms Kakashi did more dmg to Kaguya than Rinnegan Sasuke right? Lmao. Everytime Sasuke swing at Kaguya she dodged and caved in his Susanoo. Kakashi will be intangible and can still attack while being intangible, Sasuke will do nothing lol

@diaabnasir471

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@@mysteriousman7821 you’re holding on to these same ol feats. One showing, yet Sasuke has multiple showings proving he’s literally a Demi god atp. Sasuke and Naruto have been fighting Kaguya for a significant amount of time atp, both missing some of their attacks. Who cares. There’s no way in hell you believe kakashi is even fast enough to go against Sasuke based on one feat. The same Sasuke who causally catches up to and blitzes juubidara, and later on blitzes Naruto multiple times in their final battle.

What about sarada ?

@ThunderGodTG

Жыл бұрын

Bro I forgot 😂 exclude boruto from you’re mind

@DHworldwide185

Жыл бұрын

For Sarada this may be controversial but FV-Hebi.

everytime you think he's moving onto the next character or section he just keeps reiterating the same point, like holy fuck, stop overexplaining every point you have

@ThunderGodTG

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The doors that way

I honestly don't see any version of Sasuke beating any version of Madara prior to rinnegan and sage mode. Like EMS Madara beats EMS Sasuke. Itachi on the other hand, edo Itachi can probably take care of EMS Madara.

obito is not on par with edo madara lol

Indra mode negs everyone

Before watching the video, I'll just give my opinion on each: 1. Kid Obito - Final Valley Sasuke (probably 3-tomoe should be enough since I don't think even Kid Obito scales to Kakashi who's at jonin level and Sasuke who is arguably approaching it at full power in the fight) 2. Kid Madara - Lowball is full power Final Valley although by all statements and lore of the Uchiha during the warring states, it would probably take Base Shippuden Sasuke. Kid Madara even before having his sharingan was stronger than MOST adult Uchiha & Senju, the two strongest clans where his & Hashi's fathers were the clan leaders 3. Itachi/OM Obito - Pretty clearly EMS. While you can argue whether EMS gets stronger over time or he's holding back, the minute he has EMS he's stronger than them 4. Shisui - Maybe Danzo/Kakashi Post Kage Summit fight since Shisui at least in the games had susano'o. Safe side is for sure minute he has EMS 5. WM Obito / Edo Madara - Well, I'm of the belief that Edo Madara > WM Obito when both go all-out (OBVIOUSLY not giving Obito the juubi but even with the 6 bijuu). Considering EMS at FULL POWER is relative if not near equals to Bijuu Sage Naruto, WM Obito loses to Full Power EMS. Prime Madara and Prime Hashirama in my opinion don't get surpassed by the new reincarnates until Naruto & Sasuke receive six paths power 6. Juubito - Easy, Rinnegan Sasuke as a teen 7. DMS Obito - Really is weaker than Juubito cause he's on his deathbed. A hypothetical DMS Obito with six paths power probably still loses to Rinnegan Sasuke (DMS Kakashi with six paths power would lose to Final Valley Rinnegan Sasuke) 7. Juubi Madara - 1 eyed he lost to Rinnegan Sasuke just awakening his power. dual Rinnegan was relative to them before they got stronger fighting Kaguya. Me personally, I have Final Valley Rinnegan Sasuke > 3 eyed Juubi Madara for sure and even Kaguya fight he probably was stronger since she's MUCH stronger than him and they could at least withstand some attacks from her even if she overpowered 8. Fugaku - In all sources, it's somewhat implied he had MS so at a highball of his prowess, EMS for sure. But it's possible like Shisui even Danzo fight or even Kage Summit is stronger 9. Kagami - Wasn't known to have MS so most likely CM2 with or without Orochi absorbed (assuming his base sharingan stronger than Sasuke's which I doubt). If we take the anime filler of Shisui's line literal, then wherever you think Sasuke beats Shisui

They underutilized Itachi imo, we never got to see the full extent of his power it is shame.

@MILDMONSTER1234

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Lmao you wanna talk about Underutilized look at Tobirama and Nagato

@Dayz671

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@@MILDMONSTER1234 Nagato had his big day against Naruto especially when Naruto went Nine Tails mode we got to see Nagato push to his limits. Who cares about Tobirama? Every time we saw Itachi this man was holding back and didn't get pushed once. Pretty annoying.

@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10

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@@Dayz671 well we do see Itachi goe all out but the moment he does he one shots his oppenent. Orochimaru hydra is one shot with the totsuka blade and its the same for edo Nagato. If I were Kishimoto I'd make it so killing the user of reanimation was the only way to stop it. This could be done by having Itachi using Izanagi and realising that Sage Kabuto didn't know how to undo it. This way Itachi would let Kabuto break free from Izanagi so that he could give him his signature your methods are flawed speech akin to what he did with Naruto when he noticed Naruto was trying to take the war on by himself then we could get a full blown all out battle between edo Itachi and Kabuto. This would also be a decent gauge for what a prime Itachi might look like as Tobirama states the perfected reanimation makes edos pretty close to full power.

@Dayz671

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@@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10 Hmmm, really doubt it that was him going all out since he wasn't really pushed or challenge in that situation. Yes, we have an idea of what Itachi limits but we never got to see it on screen or he wasn't challenged.

@FailedUltimatelifeForm7-10

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@@Dayz671 that's fair I was just saying if we wanted a base line he should easily be able deal of that level and considers Sage Kabuto a somewhat worthy opponent but only disrespected him because Kabuto lies to himself. Like man thought he was close to the level of the sage of six paths despite keeping his nerd glasses. He even considered himself above Uchiha when literally all 4 main Uchiha characters are stronger than him or on his level in the case of EMS Sasuke before he joined the war.

Nothing against Sasuke. Hebi Sasuke is the coolest looking character in the story and as a child I preferred him to Naruto all day. His looks and jutsu are just so much cooler than Naruto's. But... Sasuke was written kinda trash if you think about it. Doesn't Sasuke have unintentional trash potential compared to Itachi and Madara (and Obito was just waaay to broken because of Hashirama cells). Sasuke is kind of like the spoiled brat of the Uchiha clan who literally got handed everything on a diamond plate at the cost of having his clan murdered when he was a child. He literally got handed every single powerup he got in the entire series by somebody else. Curse Mark from Orochimaru. MS from Itachi. EMS from Itachi. 6path shenanigans from Hagoromo. He was basically speed leveled from above average child to god level fighter by the high tiers of the verse his whole life. Thats some Uchiha privilege right there. Just because of how Sasuke is written, he was blatantly inferior to Itachi in every aspect. I mean Itachi graduated at age 7, Chunin at 10 and Anbu Captain at 13, Sasuke graduated at age 12, this makes Sasuke a complete talentless idiot in comparison. I think a fair same age feat would be in Shippuden: Flashback Itachi was leagues above Orochimaru while Sasuke after 3 years of training had to ambush kill a seemingly "minutes away from death by natural causes post Naruto fight exhausted" Orochimaru. Then in the War Arc when Sasuke had an EMS, the second character to ever have an EMS mind you, he was still outclassed by Edo Itachi who had physical nerfs to his hypothetical prime and only had an MS. Madara was written to be leagues above Sasuke. Children versions are just unfair because one was raised in war while the other was depressed at school. EMS Madara stomps every Sasuke bellow 6Path. But thats ok, he was a demigod after all. Obito was just unfairly boisted to oblivion by Hashirama cells. While Sasuke was crying from pain and crying blood when using his MS abilities, Obito was going out of his way to actively use them as much as possible to troll others. 13yo Obito went after Minato. Minato wouldn't even register 13yo Sasuke.

@MILDMONSTER1234

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Most uchiha aren’t like itachi that’s why they all got murked by him and obito lmao

@r4nd0m1zer2

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@@MILDMONSTER1234 obviously. Not sure what you tried to tell me tho

he surpasses the clan after his last, completely undeserved, powerup in naruto shippuden :)

ahahahahhahahahahahhaha. LMAO. edo tensei Madara>shippuden rinnegan Sasuke/boruto Sasuke

I think that the Uchiha clan is overrated. Everyone knew that in case of a coup, they would lose anyways, and Danzo even implies that he and Hiruzen can take down the clan. They are strong, but they all would die even if Itachi joined them as Danzo said.

@ThunderGodTG

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Super agree Hyuuga Clan > Uchiha the series just focuses on the Uchiha’s outliers

@DHworldwide185

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I disagree. The Uchiha clan is overpowered due to how many *more* abilities it gives than any other dojutsu in Naruto. Just the BASE eye comes in three stages which can >Copy ninjutsu >Read opponents movements >Put targets under its own special "Sharingan Genjutsu" >Boost the users physical stats >Make any damage to the body nonexistsant(Though this one actually has a severe cost) >Trap an opponent in an unescapable genjutsu until they "realizes the error of their ways" and all of that is just the base sharingan without taking in account the fact some Uchiha can get the mangekyou. Even in Part 1 the sharingan provides way more benefits than *almost* any other Kekkai Genkai in the village. That includes the Bykugan who needed a special taijutsu just to make use of that eye's ability. Though i agree that an Uchiha coup would failed.

@ThunderGodTG

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I think they're ceilings are higher but general baselines the Hyuuga Clan and Byukagan have better statements around them and their perception abilities.

@user-jb2ev1mu8k

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@@DHworldwide185 Yes, but people think that the average Uchiha is above Sannin level when there were just three that could been that strong, and not all of them can even awake the base Sharingan.

@lastraider2435

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@@user-jb2ev1mu8k The uchiha would have died because at the time if the coup they only have itachi and fugaku. While the leaf has Guy,kakashi,the third,danzo,asuma, and hyuuga clan. No way Itachi could fight Guy and kakashi with asuma and danzo backing them up Itachi would die there. And Fugaku would have to fight the third and the hyuuga clan leader with probably other clan leaders as well Fugaku would have died here as well. Even if a huge portion of uchiha have sharingan not enough of them are good enough to challenged people like kakashi.

I think rinnegan sasuke beats 3 eyed madara. He had better feats than 3 eyed madara with his kaguya and Naruto so6p fight.

In short I'm the strongest

Sasuke is a punk. He doesn't even pass kakashi until he gets EMS.

@mp4-faz341

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he literally surpass kakashi during hebi. Even kakashi said it

I always thought that Sasuke's curse mark gave him a higher multiplier, like 15-20. If im not mistaken his curse mark along with Kimimaro's are the only ones to have a name, they were both the strongests and candidates of vessels for Orochimaru. No statement to support this whatsoever tho.

Actually itachi couldn’t defeat the uchiha clan by himself. That’s why he needed obitos help.

@bobjohnson1633

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That is never stated. He simply knew Obito and knew his plans. What IS stated is that before Sasuke showed up, itachi was planning to kill the Uchiha, including his father that accused him of killing Shisui. Itachi was confident he could kill 4 Uchiha on the spot, including his own father that had MS.

@AlwaysLoaded

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@@bobjohnson1633 actually it was stated. Sasuke said it at the uchiha hideout during their battle. Sasuke asked him who had helped him kill the clan because he knew that even tho itachi is very skilled, he’s not that powerful to kill the entire clan all by himself in one night. Also those 3 uchihas who confronted itachi about shisuis death wasn’t any where near to formidable so there’s a lot of people who could have easily taken them down. And again your wrong about itachi beating Fugaku. Do you even pay attention?? Itachi stated that he will probably lose to his father because not only he possesses the mangekyo sharingan, but fugaku stated himself that he has the power to manipulate the nine tails. That’s a feat that itachi can’t do at that time. So try again