"Gemini Man: keep in mind I also like Venom, but I like this movie more." --Ralph Sepe Actual quote on the bluray cover.

@exitedaardvark5480

4 жыл бұрын

mabusestestament oh dear

@mr.johnson2910

4 жыл бұрын

Is this a premonition? Gemini Man hasn’t been released on Blu Ray yet but I’m sure the quote will be there.

@milesl.2467

4 жыл бұрын

oh lord... that's not saying much

@1997residente

4 жыл бұрын

You gotta love how that takes a lot of Ralph's credibilty as a film critic.

@finncallan1087

3 жыл бұрын

pro tip: you can watch movies at flixzone. I've been using it for watching loads of movies during the lockdown.

Something a lot of people don’t realize when they first watch King of Comedy is the ambiguity even stretches to whether or not his mom is even alive. You hear her voice, but in his stand up, he says his mom is dead. So is she actually dead, and he’s just imagining her, or is she alive, and he’s pretending she’s dead for his comedy? I don’t know which is creepier, and that’s why I fucking love this movie. 10/10

@technicallystupid25

4 жыл бұрын

J.D. Laney whaaaat. I noticed we never saw the mom, and I interpreted Scorsese did that intentionally because it showed how narcissistic Rupkin was given that we see this film from his point of view. Edit: But it is an interesting thing you pointed out. Will keep in mind on a second watch.

@jadenvanhess2341

4 жыл бұрын

I always just took it as it was a joke but yeah, I suppose we never actually do see his mom... I now have a sadder perspective on the film lol.

@gleekthemonkey4570

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't think of that

@sp-yj5wr

Жыл бұрын

Many scenes, his character was dreaming of himself being the "King" especially the ending 1) No one gets only 2yrs in jail for kidnapping. 2) Its 1982 - no internet, iphones, cable tv. Most only had 7 channels, so people would forget who he was after a month. 3) Even the cops said they would arrest whoever wrote his horrible jokes. 4)Just like many sitting in jail right now, he's a King in his own mind. Movie proves guys with huge egos are more dangerous than guys with low self esteem.

@wet-read

4 ай бұрын

The King of Comedy is vastly superior to Joker. It isn't close in the slightest. Joker is pretty much garbage.

I hate to be that guy but in joker the murders aren’t what prompted the riots it’s Thomas Wayne’s reaction and dehumanisation of the lower class, he literally gets on the tv and calls the lower class a bunch of clowns (which I do agree is a bit too on the nose).

@akatsukigirl2009

4 жыл бұрын

I mean the movie follows jokers pov so it makes sense that Thomas Wayne was more of an asshole imo lol

@IyrenRoboto

4 жыл бұрын

Its actually funny they as a whole didn't catch this

@omarsabir1210

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Wayne is speaking facts 💯

@deaconblackfire2896

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I find it hillarious that they pine over the flashback scenes of Arthur and Sophie not being neccesary because they got it the first time while not catching most everything else in the movie. It makes me glad that repeat viewing exists, Joker definitely improves once you see it a second time

@darienwest4748

4 жыл бұрын

"On the nose" ...because clowns have red noses.

Ralph gave both Joker and Gemini Man the same score... We really do live in a society!

@EpicthedogYT

4 жыл бұрын

They're completely different movies.

@roycastanon5754

4 жыл бұрын

Jack The Ripper Ralph is a marvel fanboy

@jw1714

4 жыл бұрын

DayTripper I’ve definitely been noticing that ever since the Endgame podcast where he was super defensive of the criticism

@RonnieJamesDeodorant

4 жыл бұрын

@@jw1714 Any valid point Adam made against the plot he'd just say "eh it's just dumb fun, but it's a 9/10 hell yeah great movie amazing, there's no other way they could have handled this movie because I'm not creative enough to imagine something else lol"

@acadia5898

4 жыл бұрын

it's something called opinions. you might not have heard it before

•Adam Gives Gemini Man a 2/10• Will Smith: It’s rewind Time

@MaleTears

4 жыл бұрын

TIME FOR THE REMIX

@Shutter-Writer

4 жыл бұрын

Male Tears beautiful

@officialkidwizard

4 жыл бұрын

Ahh that's not hot

We all know Tommy Wiseau is the best joker. Who is this Phoenix guy am I right

@michaelstrong5383

4 жыл бұрын

I know that Joker video he was in was obviously a joke, but I actually want to see what a Joker movie would be like if Wiseau directed and starred in it.

@HiddenGhul

4 жыл бұрын

'I'm the Joker baby' guy is clearly the best Joker.

@Channel4Snakes

4 жыл бұрын

@@HiddenGhul Tha Jokah Baby

@FroggyTheNinja

4 жыл бұрын

Joker baby is better

@peckmyeyesout1437

4 жыл бұрын

I'm personally a fan of Heath Ledger

No Cool Cat conversation? Worst gay podcast ever

@user-ud2tk7nz1o

4 жыл бұрын

Jamie Sansom I found a indirect Cool Cat reference.

@Jessafur

4 жыл бұрын

@@murciadoxial8056 Daddy Derrick is releasing a box set

Timecodes for Mobile Users: 00:00 Intro 6:39 Gemini Man 9:56 Gemini Man (Spoilers) 25:22 Joker (Spoilers) 41:53 King of Comedy (Spoilers) 1:06:35 Q&A

@UnCreativeDeconstructionism

4 жыл бұрын

🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝

@thomasclowater9471

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Troll Face

@akatsukigirl2009

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude

@exitedaardvark5480

4 жыл бұрын

Thank

@codythompson9973

4 жыл бұрын

Replying to bring this comment furher up the chain.

Ralph- *"I like Venom because it's dumb fun, I dislike Aquaman because it's dumb fun, I like Gemini Man because it's dumb fun, I hate Ant Man and the Wasp because it's dumb fun"* -themoviemaker. Jk love you guys, I'm the biggest Sard 👌👌👌

@JaydevRaol

4 жыл бұрын

😂

@darrellcovello7917

4 жыл бұрын

Antman and the Wasp was the worst Marvel movie, I hated it

@WiloPolis03

4 жыл бұрын

@@darrellcovello7917 I personally loved it but I can see why a lot of people didn't get much out of it

@a.f9234

4 жыл бұрын

@@darrellcovello7917 for me it's Captain M or Hulk

@danielt9744

4 жыл бұрын

Darrell Covello there was no point to that movie being made at all

Holy shit, I was at the same Lighthouse screening; was amazed when Willem Dafoe turned up. Saw him and Robert Eggers as they walked out as well, was so close to shaking their hands. One of the best cinema experiences I've ever had.

Next Friday I'm seeing The Lighthouse and Parasite back to back. Gonna be a good day Edit: just saw parasite and holy fuck. See this movie when you can Edit 2: If I had a steak, a nice juicy rare steak. I'd fuck it

@marco0o00o

4 жыл бұрын

Ashbobsjunior Jesus Christ what a day, both movies are pretty much perfect. Have fun!

@farmhousefilms1

4 жыл бұрын

I just did that over the course of two days last Sunday and Saturday. Highly recommend. Best movie weekend ever.

@clingclanglarry3327

4 жыл бұрын

Ya lucky bastard! Awesome mate!

@michaelstrong5383

4 жыл бұрын

Lucky. That sounds like the most perfect double feature ever.

@overlookers

4 жыл бұрын

I wish I was you, but I've been cucked by Cineplex

Broke: EA Sports Woke: Eat My Shorts

@officialkidwizard

4 жыл бұрын

Based and Bartpilled

@WiloPolis03

4 жыл бұрын

you just have a biased

Ralph: my mom had a theory about this mo- Adum: im gonna shut this down

@yggdrasil3

4 жыл бұрын

When watching the part when he goes into the fridge, my brother leaned over and jokingly asked if this was secretely the origin story for Mr. Freeze.

@WiloPolis03

4 жыл бұрын

@@yggdrasil3 The part where he utters "huneeee" for the first time gives me chills

@thebasedgodmax1163

4 жыл бұрын

adum was kinda wrong about that. i swear he already meets the waynes prior to that scene?

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Nick XL except he didn’t. He came off as an pretentious try hard critique and ended up being a whiny brat throwing a tantrum for the movie with little to no basis.

@thebasedgodmax1163

4 жыл бұрын

Danny Roqs do you joker fans ever shut up? why do you get so offended over people not liking the movie? stop acting like if you dont consider it a masterpiece your opinion isn’t valid or something

I'm the guy who drew them as ice cream and to see my art be shown by you guys is such a cool feeling. Love you, Sardonicast!

@goshenite1949

4 жыл бұрын

Well done

@isaacmaldonado6572

4 жыл бұрын

Your art work is really sick bro keep up the good work

@fernandojaramillo2295

4 жыл бұрын

Congratulations

@borisaustria4301

4 жыл бұрын

So good

@misanthropicservitorofmars2116

4 жыл бұрын

Haha “cool feeling”

Ralph gave the same score to Gemini Man and Joker... Just let that sink in.

@Guch123

4 жыл бұрын

THROW HIM OFF THE PODCAST!

@mydadshowering2978

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah Joker is nowhere near as ground-breaking

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

My dad showering Will Smith vs evil Will Smith is clearly the better synopsis

@Anon24052

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@roycastanon5754

4 жыл бұрын

Hunter Fredrickson well he’s always been a marvel fanboy

So apparently old fridges couldn't be opened from the inside. Fridge designs were changed when it became a hazard for children. Maybe that's what sparked Ralph's Mom's theory on the ending?

I really disagree with you on the Joker. The film's underlying societal tensions are established in the movie with "the garbage strike" which is mentioned at one point (and shown w/ all the garbage lying around the city) and the growing poverty and anger which is intensified by the killing of the 3 three wall street a-holes in the train scene. Thomas Wayne's inflammatory comments are also what help set things off. As far as your criticism ( 33:40) goes about the film not making sense with the explosion of tensions here's a real world example: the Arab spring was triggered by a man (Mohamed Bouaziz) setting himself on fire in front of a police station after being beaten up for refusing to bribe the police over a permit. Real life has at times been close to what is presented in the film. With growing wealth inequality and ecological disaster in the future aspects of the film are increasingly relevant.

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Christian Tompkins that’s really not a criticism. in that case, they might as well rate Reservoir Dogs the same because Quentin Tarantino basically nicks off of Stanley Kubrick’s The Killing. Same thing with True Romance which is basically his own version of Terrence Malick’s Badlands, even going as far as to copying the music from the latter. And then we might as well add Brian de Palma in that list since Dressed to Kill was essentially Psycho in his own retelling. Honestly, I felt the boys misinterpreted the movie a little too much and didn’t pay attention close enough. And so did you.

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Christian Tompkins that’s exactly what I’m trying to convey. There’s the little difference but in the wider view, it’s almost a strikingly similar approach of plot.

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Christian Tompkins I can accept that take of criticism

@jakisthe

4 жыл бұрын

Is “burning oneself in front of a police station” the sort of thing that happens thousands of times a year? Homicides in NYC were incredibly common at that time, and this just seemed to be random death, not a purposeful protest killing with a message attached.

@jasonhebedead1710

4 жыл бұрын

@Christian Tompkins The rich vs the poor story didn't start in the 80's. It was already more than 100 years old by then and it was still timeless, as long as the disparity between the rich and poor is a reality it will still be mined for more stories in the future.

“There is no such thing as bad publicity it is just publicity”

It showed plenty of things happen to Joker besides getting beat up? Ralph lists a few of them, but two scenes of getting beat weren't terrible. The behavior of the kids seemed cheap, give more of a reason to hurt him, or don't have everyone else attacking him in that group. But he loses his job, and everyone starts viewing him as a threat because a 'friend" gave him the gun, then sold him out. He's constantly ignored by his therapist, loses what little treatment he had to live on, and was mocked for finally pursuing his dreams. Just while he was on stage and there was dead silence you felt bad for him. And he had two whole identity twists that he found out when he was 40 years old or something. So to say they only physically beat him up and it was empty or cheap isn't very honest.

@codythompson9973

4 жыл бұрын

Ronnie James Deodorant I thought exactly that. Just surprised by their lack of attention to this movie

@mattofalltrades

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree. He murdered the three guys on the subway before these revelations. It is also implied he enjoyed it and was sexually aroused by it, again, before all of these revelations. He felt no remorse (but I get it, they were beating him up). I feel like if he snapped and killed them after the plot points you mentioned, it would be a bit better developed. It felt really out of order to me at least.

@NeutralGuyDoubleZero

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattofalltrades Keep in mind Arthur's already a man who's suffered repetitive pyshoclogical and physical abuse from his multiple past dads and even his mom, with a socially debilitating condition all his life. Combine that with his currently already sucky lot in life, being cornered with thugs beating him up after already having it done to him prior, I can absolutely imagine him snapping and firing a gun on them before reveling in the release and individual like him would get from it. I just saw it as a major step in his fall. He's now already committed murder in his own twisted form of self defense, so later on he views it as something he can use to lash out fully and intentionally.

@mattofalltrades

3 жыл бұрын

@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero I think you're the only person in the KZread comments that actually used solid reasoning and grammar to rebuttal an opposing opinion, like damn.

@NeutralGuyDoubleZero

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattofalltrades I know it's fucking mind blowing these days lol

Sardes: Ralph gave Joker the same rating as Gemini Man! Ralph: Yes.

Best part of Joker is that we got to see a superat in the background of a scene.

@wet-read

4 ай бұрын

It might as well be. There isn't much I like about that movie.

Todd Phillips: does exaggerated characters Sardonicast: they feel like caricatures Scorsese: does exaggerated characters Sardonicast: BRILLIANT

@marcogianesello6083

4 жыл бұрын

matter of doing it well pal

@marcogianesello6083

4 жыл бұрын

matter of doing it well pal, when in your movie the social commentary consists of taking rich smug brokers and make drunk wanna be rapists that beat up the main character and that's the foundation for the most relevant plotline, that's the kind of exxageration you don't praise

@dr.strangelove431

4 жыл бұрын

When you compare Martin Scorsese an iconic director to the director of hangover, maybe you shouldn’t be watching sardonicast.

@jw1714

4 жыл бұрын

Dr. strange You say that like Scorsese himself didn’t pitch the idea with Philips. Everyone starts somewhere. Also isn’t hangover one of the most successful comedy trilogy’s ever...

@marcogianesello6083

4 жыл бұрын

@Liam Berentschot-Cooke my connection sucks

0:00 intro 6:59 Gemini man 9:56 Gemini Spoilers 25:22 Joker 41:53 king of comedy 1:06:36 Q&A

The boys got their first legit director as a guest, holy shit. Hopefully not the last!

Christian Bale Batman Vs Ben Affleck Batman Vs Will Arnett LEGO Batman Now that's a movie I'd pay to see

@ajzeg01

4 жыл бұрын

Vs Kevin Conroy hand-drawn animated Batman Like Roger Rabbit or Space Jam.

@charlescalthrop2535

4 жыл бұрын

Vs Adam West Batman. We all know who would win.

@MatthewC33199

4 жыл бұрын

PLEASE!!!!!

@aryyamehr

4 жыл бұрын

@@charlescalthrop2535 vs George Clooney batman

So glad Alex made it to The Lighthouse! I was at that screening too, one of the best movie-watching experiences of my life! And I got to ask Robert Eggers if the birds were real! (and they are!)

@jesusangulo2119

4 жыл бұрын

Please dont spoil

@heisenbaj

4 жыл бұрын

@@jesusangulo2119 Sorry! Didn't consider it a spoiler having seen it and thought it'd better people's experience watching it because wondering did take my mind off the film a bit. I've edited the comment to make it more vague!

@dustycomputer1806

4 жыл бұрын

how the fuck did you comment 3 days ago

@Lovicide

4 жыл бұрын

God now I know there are fucking birds in the film. Great, my experience won't be the fucking same now

@eddiedingle767

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lovicide took several reads, but I think I get it, the birds are real in the real world, they aren't CGI or puppets. The "don't spoil" comment was probably assuming that it was in the film's context, IE, are they imaginary

Q&A Timestamps: 1:06:35 - What's the hardest you've intentionally/unintentionally laughed at a movie? 1:12:10 - There's somewhat of a stigma about going to the movies alone. As people who watch movies in a professional capacity, does it still exist for you at all, or not as much? 1:14:12 - Do you believe in conspiracy theories? 1:24:38 - What are your thoughts and feelings on what Martin Scorsese said about Marvel movies? 1:35:14 - When will you guys learn how to pronounce the word 'homage'?

@Ravi-xf8dw

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Was looking for this.

It seems that most Joker reviews are just excuses for the reviewer to flex that they have seen "Taxi Driver" & "King of Comedy".

@JaydevRaol

4 жыл бұрын

😅

@anthonymartensen3164

4 жыл бұрын

Who hasn't seen taxi driver though?

@MrCholoPants3415

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonymartensen3164 My big fat pussy

@codythompson9973

4 жыл бұрын

Enforcer Especially these three. I think 90% of the time they are awesome, but they totally judged this movie in an unfair manner. Most of the shit they said was invalid.

@anthonymartensen3164

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrCholoPants3415 hahaha your edgy humor is amazing

I think Joker was immediately arrested and taken to Arkham after the shooting. The riot, the breakout, and the Waynes getting murdered was all Arthurs fantasy. That makes more sense to me than a shooting kicking off a riot, and rioters stealing an ambulance and knowing which patrol car to T-bone, the cops dying but Arthur being relatively Ok, and Arthur somehow ending up in custody anyway.

@jw1714

4 жыл бұрын

Early in the movie were shown that there’s been a garbage strike thats why there’s garbage piles 10 feet high so there was already tension between government and the people of Gotham. The murders aren’t what kicked off the riots, it was Wayne calling the lower class of Gotham clowns because a guy with clown make up killed 3 wealthy wayne employees.

It's all fun and games til Adam gives Joker a 7/10 Edit: thanks Adam

@ammo76534

4 жыл бұрын

He changed it to a 6 actually

@exetone

4 жыл бұрын

@KcaJBrown nah but just because they're similar or inspired it doesn't retract from the movie for me

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Flaccid.mp3 Like in that case, they might as well rate Reservoir Dogs the same because Quentin Tarantino basically nicks off of Stanley Kubrick’s The Killing. Same thing with True Romance which is basically his own version of Terrence Malick’s Badlands, even going as far as to copying the music from the latter. And then we might as well add Brian de Palma in that list since Dressed to Kill was essentially Psycho in his own retelling. Honestly, I felt the boys misinterpreted the movie a little too much and didn’t pay attention close enough.

@overseas4228

4 жыл бұрын

Danny Roqs bro have you even seen the killing? They almost have no thing in common

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Henrix Beatz I own The killing and Reservoir Dogs and yes they bear a lot in common. Quentin Tarantino himself went as far as to say once “...I wanted MY own Killing”. He can’t be anymore transparent than that.

Rupert's stand-up at the end of the movie was legitimately funny in my opinion. I didn't think he was a bad comedian at all, just socially inept.

@DeadCanuck

3 жыл бұрын

Also, y’know, psychotic🙃 Also I agree, his stuff was funny. Very late-night.

@bardbruv

3 жыл бұрын

they mention Rodney Dangerfield at the beginning as one of the good comics and I'd say it's for sure on par with Rodney's material

If you guys didn’t understand why the murders caused the uprising you need to watch the film again

@thelocust619

4 жыл бұрын

If you think the murders caused the uprising at all you need to watch it again. They were largely irrelevant.

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

thelocust619 it was more like the media and politics that ran behind that incident that fueled it into an uprising. Remember, Joker said “... do I look like the kind of guy who could lead a revolution?” He only utilized self defense and it became more than that...

@tytsty5716

4 жыл бұрын

@@thelocust619 that's my point that it wasn't because of the murder it was how the murder was covered and talked about and how tomas wayne was talking about the lower class calling them clowns that made them use clowns as a symbol of their uprising

@thelocust619

4 жыл бұрын

@@tytsty5716 That and the garbage strike showed that the unrest had already escalated to the point that citizens were already taking action. If anything, Arthur's greatest contribution was getting chased by the detectives. When you get cops bullying pissed off, protesting citizens living in filth with no income while getting belittled by the people claiming to help them...you get a riot. The Joker is just bumbling through this mess like some kinda evil nega-Forest Gump, just sorta showing up to get his picture taken in the background of a larger event.

---QUESTION TIMESTAMPS--- 1:06:50 - What's the hardest you've ever laughed at a movie intentionally or unintentionally? 1:13:10 - Do you still feel like going to the movies alone at all? 1:14:12 - Do you believe in conspiracy theories? 1:24:38 - What are your thought son what Martin Scorsese said about marvel films? 1:35:14 - When will you guys learn how to pronounce the word homage?

I just watched king of comedy for the first time and I was amazed

Gemini Man is the closest will get to a Metal Gear Solid movie

@olufolarinoduntan9097

4 жыл бұрын

No, Captain America: The Winter Soldier was, is, and always be the closest we'll get to a true Metal Gear Solid movie

@shooterb0y23

4 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad i wasnt the only one thinking cap america 2 and gemini man looked like metal gear

@WillKarleskint

4 жыл бұрын

*B R O T H E R*

@WreckingWood

4 жыл бұрын

"Will" get?

This podcast says a lot about our SOCIETY

why hasn’t anyone called Mary Elizabeth Winstead mewtwo

The REAL clown movie discourse should be the fact that Adum gave Joke a 7/10 while Alex gave It Chapter Two a 7/10.

@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE

4 жыл бұрын

CONCHITA how? IT 2 is terrible and bland

@judas3089

4 жыл бұрын

@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE lmao he thought it was funny and that the characters are what made it interesting

@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE

4 жыл бұрын

CONCHITA that’s the problem, it’s supposed to be a scary movie but it’s not.

@judas3089

4 жыл бұрын

@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE It doesn't take itself seriously and overrall became a mess, also very basic structure (First act, second act, third act) and repetitive

@judas3089

4 жыл бұрын

@@balabanasireti I actually agree. Guilty pleasures should be rated fairly, no matter how much they enjoyed them themselves. Film reviews exist to display your opinion of the quality and purpose of the movie and tell others what they should look for or if it is worth it. Rating Aquaman 5 out of 5 stars does not help.

I wonder if a day will ever come where the boys get comfortable enough around each other to be like “yo that was stupid” when someone says something unfunny instead of forcing laughter out

@MaleTears

4 жыл бұрын

Examples?

@friendlypup5650

4 жыл бұрын

Tostitos199 Ralph laughs at everything

I really just want they to acknowledge one simple detail. If the name of the Wayne family was something like "Harrison" or something like that the scene would work just as much. And the answer would be, yes. Just because WE know who the Wayne family outside the movie doesn't mean the scene was ruined that's just bs reasoning. And that pretentious instance of saying the movie is just "okay" gets me everytime and makes my blood boil, because in every level the move is at least above average. And for that reason alone it stands out more than "okay". And some aspects of the movie like the superb acting of Joaquin and the cinematography make the movie stand out as at least pretty good.

@SuperGamerxl

4 жыл бұрын

The movie didn't even need to be in the DC universe, we already saw the wayne's die like 3 years ago in BVS

@vincenttapia2037

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperGamerxl I still really liked it. The script needed to be worked on better.

@RonnieJamesDeodorant

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh I think I would have enjoyed if there wasn't a meeting with Bruce Wayne or if it showed his parents being shot from the view of their shadows without showing anyone go into the alley after them. At the same time they didn't even realize the guy with Bruce was Alfred, which I'd say was subtle, but then whined not knowing if it was him or not then dismissed it. But Sardonicast are the same people to complain about solo Marvel / DC-related stuff not being linked to a bigger universe.

@Google-Account-hd5dk

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh I don't really understand the point of "if you removed all the stuff to do with batman, this wouldn't be a batman movie" type criticism. Wayne is clearly seen as someone Joker can envy and focus his (in his mind) justified sense of rage upon. The Waynes are in that way integral to the plot. You could make it someone else and it would have less atachment to Batman, but by the same token you could make Batman a vigilante in Nolans trilogy and drop the costume and it wouldn't be a Batman movie. I mean, surely we want our comic book movies to function as independent stories, rather than solely relying on the established characters to draw us in.

@porraloka31

4 жыл бұрын

That's the thing. They are criticizing something that isn't even brought up that much in the movie. It's not like the wayne family is just a throw away line to connect the universe, Thomas is a major piece of the plot and they just dismiss it like Todd just put the wayne family to make people who like batman watch the movie. Everything in the movie works even if you don't know who the wayne family is.

I think they're being waaaaaay too critical and nitpicky about Joker. There was a lot to like/appreciate about this movie and I felt that they seriously over blew the negatives of this movie. 2 scenes that were "corny" or "bad" does not make the entire film bad. I mean they rated this lower than they rated GOTG and by no stretch of the imagination is GOTG a better movie than Joker, not by a mile.

@jw1714

4 жыл бұрын

Even worse than in this very video Alex says Gemini man and joker are both 3/5 Gemini man is actually garbage, I left before the credits started it was that bad and I’ve never done that lol, really makes me question his opinion on movies in general.

@friendlypup5650

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Nuttall I’d say they’re about the same

Sardonicast - We are having another guest! Me - oh cool another KZreadr I like those Sardonicast - David F Sandberg Me - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

@WiloPolis03

4 жыл бұрын

Wha- seriously!?!? Holy crap I haven't been more excited since they got The Stucc or the best teeth in the game on

32:15 Why do you think he was imagining "the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents". Given what he experiences in the film he clearly is more connected to Thomas Wayne and grows to hate him. So he's more likely imagining Thomas Wayne and his wife dieing and maybe he doesn't want to kill a kid so he doesn't imagine that This is a stand alone movie and not accurate to the comics at all so it's entirely possible

@ClubHouseComicsinc

4 жыл бұрын

If that's imaginary in his mind he's imagining Thomas Wayne getting fucked up. Not the origin of his arch nemesis

Somehow I missed the spoiler warning for Joker but don't feel like I was spoiled.

@gazeboluecke6333

4 жыл бұрын

They mainly talked about the media fiasco, memes I guess, and the fact that a Scorcese film was more subtle...

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Gazebo Luecke that’s the thing though: I feel like they had some unfair pokes of criticism for this film. They were complaining about the movie being derivative to Kings of Comedy or Taxi Driver, yet they were saying it wasn’t subtle enough. So do you want it to be original or do you want it to be a Martin Scorsese-esque movie? I don’t think that Phillips was intentionally trying to make a Scorsese movie but merely make a few influences along with a DC villain and make his own twisted interpretation... and I felt that was pretty successful.

@gazeboluecke6333

4 жыл бұрын

The combination of it being a DC movie and the media garbage has soured the whole thing kinda unfairly. Adum even asking about if people with mental illness should see it or not was pretty ridiculous. Just like Alex, I found the meming of Joker to be annoying and confusing, so I just ignored it, but Alex just chooses to meme it himself, cause apparently that one line is super funny? Honestly this whole conversation just kinda irritated me. I watched the movie and it was pretty good, not perfect but above average, but a lot of critics I follow almost seem against the movie itself or embarrassed to like it. The recent JAR podcast about was kinda aweful for this reason. Alex all but refused to talk about Joker at all after five minutes as if it's another cookie-cutter super hero schlock blockbuster, when it's pretty much the exact opposite. It's like he saw the trailer and the twitter memes and simultaneously forgot that the Jokers best scenes from the Nolan movies where the ones without Batman or any other major characters in them. All and all, I'm not sure how well the critical reception of this movie will age even five years from now when we're back to giant blue lasers firing into space. Seems like a good movie fell into our laps and we're brushing it off like a spider.

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

Gazebo Luecke how truthful. Chillingly sad too.

@gazeboluecke6333

4 жыл бұрын

I usually agree with Ralph and Adum individually and even when I don't I can at least find common ground somewhere, but this just feels more reactionary to the media coverage than I would have found tasteful, unfortunately.

I think The King of Comedy is one of a kind. Probably my favorite Scorsese film.

@wet-read

10 ай бұрын

Me too! Though After Hours is nipping at its heels. I haven't finished it yet.

Comment section 50% talk about joker 49% talk about Ralph’s poor taste 1% talking about how a MOVIE DIRECTOR is their next guest. 🤨

You want to hear a joke? Three men talking about how three murders could cause the societal break down of a city irl when one murder this year has caused the societal break down of Hong Kong.

@Ravi-xf8dw

4 жыл бұрын

That didn't cause honkong protest at all.

@employee4275

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ravi-xf8dw And the murders didn't cause the Gotham protest, what's your point?

@inevitableveganfuture3915

4 жыл бұрын

Rodney King in LA, Mark Duggan in London....It's very strange to hear multiple critics saying the same thing about how the protests and riots seemed very sudden and unrealistic to them when in reality we have seen the same thing happen over and over in the real world, and Joker makes it very clear with its world-building (the garbage strike, the jaded social workers) that this Gotham was just waiting for something to light its fuse.

@bothi00

4 жыл бұрын

Even then you could argue one murder kicked off world war 1

@TooCooFoYou

4 жыл бұрын

👽 inevitable vegan future 👽 Rodney King getting beaten nor Mark Duggan getting killed weren’t the reasons that the riots happened. It was the jury’s verdict that found the police not guilty that set people off.

Don't you dare compare Gemini Man to Face/Off! Face/Off is a fucking masterpiece!

*"Joker, The King of Comedy"* unfortunate title lmao

no one: _”We live in a society.”_

@ergoth154

4 жыл бұрын

No, don't

@michaelstrong5383

4 жыл бұрын

*Batman slapping Robin meme intensifies*

@Test-zd4mp

4 жыл бұрын

Why does every fucking comment conform to this precise format or a slight variation thereof, it hurts me

@beiwubsnsod7378

4 жыл бұрын

@@Test-zd4mp because theyre lazy and cant come up with original jokes

EA Sports. It's in the game. Well. WAS in the game. Now it's in the legacy superstar gold edition.

Funny how you discussed Scorsese’s dislike of Marvel; Francis Ford Coppola & Ken Loach just expresses their dislike of them recently.

@danielt9744

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t like them either, to me personally, they just feel soulless and shitted out by a corrupted company

i’m the joker baby

I don't care what anyone says, it's pronounced just as it's spelled "Ho-Mage" like a magical lady of the night.

"How do three killings inspire the city to tear itself apart" -Garbage strike -Negligence of government -Thomas Wayne's elitist comments on television -The fact it's fucking Gotham, canonically and in the movie the city is a cross between Detroit and Venezuela

31:46 - I thought his hiding in the fridge was a dream. Like trying to hide from the world one last time.

Did anybody notice, in Gemini Man, the continuity error with the blinds in the scene where the woman is fighting a random man in the office shack she works at.

30:10 Alex, it was more than just him being beaten up. Did you even watch the film outside of those moments?

@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168

4 жыл бұрын

The point that Adum said about Bruce Wayne’s origin made literally no sense.

@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168

4 жыл бұрын

That question about why the subway murders would have an impact....... Jesus Christ! How dumb are you guys?! That’s it, I’m stopping this video.

@codythompson9973

4 жыл бұрын

Hopingover Leavesinfall I do agree it seems like they went into the movie just to go and didn't pay attention.

@caprisun6552

4 жыл бұрын

I normally agree with these guys but they seemed way too nitpicky. I get so annoyed when reviewers constantly compare this movie with Taxi Driver and King Of Comedy instead of looking at the film itself. I was genuinely surprised by their attitude towards this movie.

@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168

4 жыл бұрын

@@caprisun6552 I disagree about them being too nitpicky. I will say that Alex seems to have a hard time getting around his negative opinion on the general concept of a film, between this, Solo and Venom.

1:16 "Ok, so we got a degenerate on the podcast" Oh boy, if you knew...

There is a shooting rampage nearly every month so the Joker will do no different.

@NanashiSaru

4 жыл бұрын

a shooting in the USA, so unexpected !!!

@eddiedingle767

4 жыл бұрын

@@NanashiSaru there wasn't one, but there was a stabbing at "Frozen II"

About the Joker and you guys talking about the murders and the protests: I mean,,, Chile went crazy over 30 pesos and now they’re in complete havoc. There was a lot more to that story, class tension already had existed for 30 years. Personally I do think that three murders in a subway could start a class war, and I wish the movie would show a little more of the inequality in Gotham to then totally justify the protests and make me feel empathy through justice instead of pity through Joker. Wish you guys took an approach more similar to this than just basically “seems like an overreaction” or whatever you said.

gemini man's script was made in 97' the year that face off was released lmao

I think your discussion about how important it is on your own to make things happen for yourself was so vital, especially in anything related to entertainment. I’m an actor, do voiceover and am also thinking up ideas on how to start a KZread channel of my own and this was kind of the discussion I needed to hear haha. Love this podcast and I’m a huge fan of all three of you. Great moves, proud of you.

All of your complaints can be excused given the ambiguity of what was conceptual and wasn’t. For the record, Arthur didn’t laugh about his ironic creation of Batman but instead laughed on about how he orphaned his half-brother/ Step Brother as he was orphaned in a similar manner (he learned about the parents’ deaths through the news or media coverage). Most of what you guys regard as unexplored or unnecessary holds little to no merit given the type of Psychological Thriller we were provided with. Please explore alternative theories on certain scenes in Joker in the next episode.

The purpose of the flashbacks after the reveal that the relationship was in his head wasn't to make sure people were getting it. The purpose of them was to show the audience that Arthur wasn't merely imagining the relationship along with all with all the scenarios laid in bed, but he was actually, physically and verbally talking to himself, not unlike when we see him doing so when he is dancing in his house early on in the film. When I was watching it I thought that edit made it more creepy and eerie, I didn't think it was showing a lack of faith in our intelligence.

@SuperGamerxl

4 жыл бұрын

The realtionship had to purpose to the film though.

@danbam3411

4 жыл бұрын

DLA Graphical i honestly thought their criticism to that plot twist scene was very juvenile. I didn’t feel the plot twist was predictable. Maybe I haven’t seen as many art movies as they have but even so, I felt it was executed quiet integral and atmospheric with the rest of the movie’s tone.

@deaconblackfire2896

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I think Fight Club just pigeonholed flashbacks as a device used to convey information, whereas in Joker that isn't the point of them. Rewatching the movie knowing that every single bright spot in his life is a delusion inside his head is haunting, then having the film emphasize that doesn't ruin it in any way for me, the flashbacks were fine

@DlaGraphical

4 жыл бұрын

@@danbam3411 Exactly. I don't think the point of the ''twist'' was to make it unpredictable necessarily. His fantasies are so outlandish and unlikely that I think it was just to convey how insane the man is.

i can’t believe you guys couldn’t find more to discuss with Joker. you didn’t delve into the themes, the details, the messages, at all. why do you guys bother making a film podcast when you aren’t willing to really grapple with the content of the film?

@friendlypup5650

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Brand how could you make that comment while looking at their king of comedy conversation? Joker was pretty shallow

28:25 Yes. Yes, that was supposed to be Alfred. CinemaSins Mark II ladies and gentlemen.

33:32 This comment didn't aged well.

Ralph: there’s nothing that terrible about it, it’s mostly just mediocre and bland. 3/5

@duck8206

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Nostalgia Critic's review of The Wall

I trust my sexy Italian stallion Ralph when it comes to pizza

Everyone "felt" Fight Club when it came out. I wouldn't take the current moment any more seriously.

@MatthewC33199

4 жыл бұрын

Fight Club was an excellent film that a lot of people still "feel" and talk about to this day, and the media did demonize it because it was apparently connected to Columbine? Somehow? I don't think Joker was nearly as good but I still really enjoyed it.

1:19:18 well Canada just banned automatic guns, so... Which is a good thing

It's genuinely hilarious that people are in the comments writing paragraphs on why your opinion on The Joker is incorrect.

Man, Ralph likes Venom more than these two guys as compare to Adam & Alex likes Aquaman more than Ralph.

Timecodes: 00:00 - Intro (The Lighthouse Screening) 6:39 - Gemini Man 9:56 - Gemini Man (Spoilers) 25:22 - Joker (Spoilers) 41:53 - The King of Comedy (Spoilers) 1:06:35 - Q&A for Iphone users

"This film is confusing! Because people keep making Batman theories about it!" - Alex Wut? This is a weird critique.

I feel like adum almost singlehandedly is responsible for half of the BO for the Lighthouse by giving it a 10/10

@aperson7303

4 жыл бұрын

Its a Robert Eggers film, everybody should see it anyways

@conneroneill8506

4 жыл бұрын

That’s dumb.

@dr.strangelove431

4 жыл бұрын

@@conneroneill8506 hows it dumb?

52:11 "This character won't accept anything less than his fantasy delusions." Which cool cat does that sound like?

For King of Comedy, I took Rupert’s stand-up routine in the end to be mostly made up because in it he makes a joke about his mom being dead but he talks to his mom in his apartment multiple times throughout the movie.

@FancyLasPlagas

4 жыл бұрын

Also, I don’t think that the secretary actually listened to his tape because of how vague her points were for him. Plus what we heard of the recording he made, he sounds like a creepy stalker

@FancyLasPlagas

4 жыл бұрын

Melancholic Spook Oh man that’s spooky~

he does tell second will Smith that he's allergic to bees in that scene, Adam.

"be gay sports" wow stole that directly from cumtown

@rabbitseason7537

3 жыл бұрын

All the Sardonicast intros are stolen. That's the point.

joker is 6/10 for me and king of comedy 9/10

To be 100%honest...I find "de-aging" effect distracting in every single film. I'm always like "nope. That's just an old actor with some shit in his face to create a PS3 effect".

33:33 "how three murders could cause such a breakdown of society" - what I don't understand is how the guy who never practiced shooting the gun before (not counting the hole in the apartment wall) managed to kill all the three with four shots.

@malicewonder8345

4 жыл бұрын

(After rewatching the scene) - yeah, you have a point - the first two were not just in front of him, but standing _above_ him lying on the floor and didn't expect any danger. Still - it's great luck. It took Arthur four shots to kill all the three (the third man trying to escape), and he fired exactly seven times. The first man got one bullet, the second one got two (and probably needed only one to be killed - they hit the same spot), the third one was wounded, tried to escape and was killed on the stairs with the fifth bullet - or the sixth - or the seventh.

I thought the movie was about poor people and the mentally ill.

@MatthewC33199

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's not really much more complex than that! People are taking it waaaay too seriously

I think the ending is supposed to be commenting on how some of the craziest people end up on top

Uhh guys. Requiem for a Dream came out way after King of Comedy unless you’re referring to the book

@frankmerker630

4 жыл бұрын

No they're referring to the movie, Jared Leto is clearly older than Robert De Niro

I'm actually surprised because I agree with you guys on most things, I actually disagree with your stance on Joker. First off it's been proven that things like this movie are not what inspire criminals to do terrible things. Second, while I agree that it definitely drew inspiration from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, but it certainly wasn't derivative, and it wasn't any less subtle than other art films you guys love like First Reformed or 12 Years a Slave in terms of it's message or political theme. I think the film was still it's own thing, and surprisingly even though I like King of Comedy, I don't like it as much as Joker. I feel like King of Comedy thinks it's lot better than it actually is, I think they were less subtle in terms of how sad it is than even Joker. I didn't get as much out of King of Comedy because I think the story doesn't have that much going on, and I think Joker has much more going for it personally. But I get where you guys are coming from and I'm probably in the minority, this is probably a controversial opinion. But I will say Joker and King of Comedy aren't even close to being as good as Taxi Driver imo.

Adum *only watches Joker once* "Yeah I think I'm gonna change it to a six"

@aperson7303

4 жыл бұрын

Can you not think about and discuss things that affect your opinion?

@Lovicide

4 жыл бұрын

@@aperson7303 that isn't the point. He watched it once without even acknowledging the fact that it might be a better experience watching it again

@larsthaman

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lovicide that's not a valid point either. maybe he gives it an 8 the next time he watch it, we don't know that.

@Lovicide

4 жыл бұрын

@@larsthaman that's exactly what I'm saying. He hasn't watched it for a second time. Why would he make his score lower when he hasn't even seen it for a second time?

@larsthaman

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lovicide because he's had more time to think about it? it's really not that uncommon to like a film less after some time has passed.

People seem more interested in reviewing (picking on) the audience of Joker than the movie itself. The media is still capable of souring a good thing pretty badly.

I remember it being "EA games, challenge in everything"

Damn I could have already listened to this over the weekend...

Playing the two main characters yourself feels like an Adam Sandler level ego trip

So, there you go. Never talk about mass shooters in the news

"I didn't like Joker because it didn't have Batman" "All the tie-ins with Batman were forced. I wish it wasn't tied in with Batman"

@thelostmessenger

4 жыл бұрын

I think that he wants to say that he wants a movie that has no in-between. It either is heavily linked to the batman universe or it doesn't mention it at all

@MaleTears

4 жыл бұрын

Wow it's almost like he was saying "i dont like this forced subplot and if they were gonna shoehorn it in, it should have been done better imo"

@RonnieJamesDeodorant

4 жыл бұрын

@@MaleTears except these things weren't as forced as they were pushing it. I would not have been bothered if Bruce Wayne scenes were not in, but having them in didn't ruin anything for me or many others

@Khepriem

4 жыл бұрын

@@RonnieJamesDeodorant You mean people have different opinions on stuff? Whaaaaaaaa??? That's illegal!

@jw1714

4 жыл бұрын

Male Tears It’s almost like its a movie about the joker. Forced subplot...where did they force that in? He thought Wayne was his ducking dad that’s a good reason to include the Wayne’s in the story and then the family gets killed. They gave the Wayne’s a reason to actually be on crime alley..joker and Batman born on the same day message... Everyone was told prior to the release it’s going to take bits and pieces from comics but this is a JOKER movie not a Batman movie.

The media is just playing damage control and coverage for the themes in this movie. Their corporate interests support narratives of the antithesis of those themes presented.

With all this bullshit in the US right now, joker seems almost prophetic. The movie has many flaws, but it is true that a single incident can cause riots if people have enough underlying anger.

Can you guys talk about “the boys”

@luisnavarrete7919

4 жыл бұрын

no because it fucking suckss

@Thebizel

4 жыл бұрын

@@luisnavarrete7919 can you elaborate?

@luisnavarrete7919

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thebizel because after a few episodes it looks cheap as fuck?? And most importantly, It's a mess. Read the comic books and you'll get it.

@jesusangulo2119

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was pretty cool at first but then it became really boring and uninteresting.

@iBreekk

4 жыл бұрын

st. vampyr it’s not amazing but I’d still like them to talk about it

I wasn’t a big Shazam fan but David’s youtube channel is top quality 👌👌

I love going to the cinema alone. I’m someone who likes to really pay attention to everything in the first watch and basically get sucked in but after the first watch and if I know the movie would seem interesting to others I know I like to invite family to come and check it out