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@ArcticXun-936

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes!

@ShirleeKnott

2 жыл бұрын

i can't join but, will continue to like all the comments and replies for your algorithm : )

@kathryngeeslin9509

2 жыл бұрын

@Steve Gooden I hope Andrew realizes you're a spammer, and I hope everyone reports all your copy/paste abuse of their data.

@ryanb6503

2 жыл бұрын

Better hurry before our triskaidekaphobia gets the better of us!

@cosmicsprings8690

2 жыл бұрын

Far too much repeating waffle

As a Mexican myself, I have to add from my personal experience, that the Santa Muerte in Mexico is usually considered a taboo for those that do not worship her. It is something people try to avoid talking about, and in my family for example as Catholics we were told that venerating her was against God and all our values as Christians, and that is is similar to witchcraft and black magic, in the sense that it is something that people resort to when they are asking for something which God cannot help you with...most frequently bad things like harming others. It is usually associated with people living in very marginalized environments, in dangerous neighborhoods or slums surrounded by crime, violence, poverty and really tough conditions for living. Outside those places, there are few people who worship her, and almost all of them do it in secret, and it can be a scandal when there are rumors of someone from a "Good family" praying to Santa Muerte. We really almost never talk about her, and we tend to pretend it doesn´t exist, and live our lives without thinking much about it, and for that reason, it usually gets us by surprise when someone talks about her or we see an image of her... Must people will interpret this as a sign that they are dealing with a dangerous place or a dangerous person. If for example you are in a taxi and the driver has an image of her, you may feel uncomfortable, or if you get lost and end up finding a street chapel of the Santa Muerte, you may want to get out of there immediately. I personally don´t see any problem with people who pray to her, but it is what it is.

@Duiker36

2 жыл бұрын

It's always important to remember that cultures are not monolithic and that there are class structures in place for very many of them.

@j.2512

2 жыл бұрын

And people are right to be prejudiced. Gringos don't understand how bad these things are

@j.2512

2 жыл бұрын

@@Duiker36 As in : criminal class

@303TAG303

2 жыл бұрын

stop letting the catholic church brainwash you. I'm Mexican and follow Santa muerte and I would never wish harm on anybody else.

@11mazatl

2 жыл бұрын

@@j.2512 the real criminals are the churches who take money from communities

I've known many folks from Southern Mexico and Guatemala and those people are serious about their folk religion. They are real devotees. These local, folk "saints" have been part of indigenous religion for many centuries in one form or another.

@randomango2789

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it appears that the old gods have taken on a new form

@BeatrizMartinez-dy3oy

2 жыл бұрын

paganism

@queenfrancine6418

2 жыл бұрын

@@BeatrizMartinez-dy3oy the white people indoctrinated our people and forced their saints on us in the past so it looked as if our ancestors prayed to saints but we still had our deity’s that we venerated through them like el Santo niño or the baby saint El Niño de Ochoa is elegua or legba the deity hes the guardian of the crossroads and he loves child things candy and toys and sweets he’s an older man who’s very loving …. nothing in our tradition is pagan or Wiccan were Santeros… Paganism is Scottish/Irish folklore forest plant glitter deity stuff with no fundamental base a rip off of other belief systems They have to make a offering to call spirits that’s more a Caucasian thing… in this you have to be blood to be here they have to choose you it’s more bloodline passed down and it’s not lazy an alter is serious stuff you don’t just go to church, it consists of praying and speaking to spirit feeding and venerating ancestors at least an hour or 2 a day you gotta live like a good person and operate well for your soul to be able to be free in death like the ones before you and you too will be honored in death bc we’re all gods…. But you have to live right You can’t just go to church and pray and still be a bad person. Here, you’re held very accountable.

@queenfrancine6418

2 жыл бұрын

@R 🤷🏽‍♀️ don’t care

@queenfrancine6418

2 жыл бұрын

@Rauthentic real in religion of voodou feel the same been that way for centuries thats why it is closed religion bc we don’t want it to be colonized 💯

As a priest living in Mexico, this is excellent and well done. I love your series!

@modestoca25

2 жыл бұрын

What kind of priest? Why would a RC priest approve this?

@Brainles5

2 жыл бұрын

@@modestoca25 He liked the video discussing it, doesnt mean he has approve of the practice itself.

@graymann7762

Жыл бұрын

@@modestoca25 he's an Episcopal "priest"

@einheri

Жыл бұрын

@@modestoca25 he's talking about liking the video, dumb dumb.

@oya999nkisimalongo9

Жыл бұрын

I bet he's a cho-mo

Wait, there's one prominent Santa Muerte scholar called Chestnut, and another one called Castañeda, also meaning chestnut? Whoever is running the simulation is getting laaaaaaaazy.

@danielgadomski5129

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjtheninja357 dafuq?

@pjtheninja357

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielgadomski5129 stop asking questions and pay your rent

@danielgadomski5129

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjtheninja357 are you having a stroke?

@pjtheninja357

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielgadomski5129 not right now but i think they feel good and have nearly 0% chance of sustaining nerve damage. 🎶stroke-proof & heart-attack proof, but i still cain't put my head through-the-roof💨👺

@p_ro9532

2 жыл бұрын

Castañeda means chestnut forest.

La Santa Muerte has a HUGE following here in Chicago. She is everywhere. I also spent time in Argentina and their folk saints are fascinating as well--For example, they have San La Muerte (a male deity that's different from the female Mexican Santa Muerte) and Gauchito Gil (who was a devotee of San La Muerte). They're both extremely popular, particularly in the interior of the country where a higher percentage of the population has indigenous roots.

@SI-ln6tc

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't there one in Bolivia as well?

@xandro2445

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bicicletasaladas nearly every culture has some type of supernatural death being. The version talked about is native to Mexico. Chicago has a huge mexican community which is why it's so popular here.

@ALKalashnikov

2 жыл бұрын

In Argentina we also have the very important Difunta Correa (you may have seen piles of water bottles on the road). We use to call them "popular saints" intead of "folk". The santification process is seen partly in more contemporary examples like Eva Peron, Gilda, Rodrigo Buenos or Diego Maradona.

@reaperg4977

2 жыл бұрын

Also if you know of any temples for la santa muerte in chicago let me know

@co3tzx375

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bicicletasaladas santa muerte still mexican tho the other ones are different

Please do a vide about Afro-Brazilian religions (candomblé and umbanda), they have much in common with Santa Muerte veneration

@WildVoltorb

2 жыл бұрын

Funny that you mentioned those, exactly my thoughts while watching this video. He just recently made a video on the afro-American religions such as 'voodoo' which share lots similarities with candomblé and umbanda. You definitely should check it out

@publicano777

2 жыл бұрын

I second this plead!

@jalzate

2 жыл бұрын

Umbanda has a figure called Rosa Caveira (Rose Skull] that shares some similarities with Santa Muerte.

@RafaelSCalsaverini

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. This familiarity that people use to refer to Santa Muerte, with nicknames and etc, and the offerings of tobacco and alcohol, etc are so similar to the relationship between people in Brazil and the Exus, Pomba Giras and Caboclos.

As a Mexican-American, I grew up seeing images of Santa Muerte in devotional candles and statues for sale at local Mexican markets in Wisconsin of all places! My mother warned me against her saying that "while she'll grant you anything, it will always come with a price" and that she's a "jealous saint" who punishes those who worship others before her. I see her very much as described here: an amoral entity that reflects the worshippers themselves. She's quite popular among many in the LGBT community in Mexico and in Mexican-American circles since Catholic institutions often turn us away. As more and more people see their situations as desperate and turn to anything for survival, veneration of la santísima muerte will only continue to grow

@Giganfan2k1

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. It is a lot of personal context.

@Giganfan2k1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-ft1hi Que?

@ksplatypus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-ft1hi what's disgusting?

@ksplatypus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bicicletasaladas there's definitely an element to that. However, it's important to remember that the Catholic church in Mexico uses the same tactics. We just turn a blind eye as they're more established.

@ksplatypus

2 жыл бұрын

@Skydaddy Myth-Busters this channel is called "religion for breakfast." Are you lost?

As a Catholic-raised Mexican I was usually taught to believe Santa Muerte was only adored by criminals or bad lower class people (extreme prejudices) or had an inherent evil that didn’t really deserve mainstream attention, but I once discovered a modest altar to Santa Muerte in a sweetheart’s home, and couldn’t believe this “normal” family adored Santa Muerte 😬 I’ll never forget that, really opened my mind to the underground belief diversity in Mexico City

@Ilovemycat666

2 жыл бұрын

She is not of the divine light. Just because people don't look low class while following her doesn't mean she isn't bad she literally steals your soul and you can't go back from worshiping her

@waifubreaks1572

2 жыл бұрын

She is literally worshiped by drug cartels

@the_flyingdino3445

Жыл бұрын

@@Ilovemycat666 thats what my parents told me she can give and take away.... kinda creepy

@Ilovemycat666

Жыл бұрын

@@the_flyingdino3445 My mom knew a person who’s mother worshiped Santa muerte and the daughter said the family was seeing a dark cloud that hovered the moms home that only they could see, I don’t trust worshiping a dark entity.

@the_flyingdino3445

Жыл бұрын

@@Ilovemycat666 true.. me neither

There is a Santa Muerte that is enshrined in a legitimate Catholic Church in the Philippines. It is made out of ivory and is brought to the Philippines about 150 years ago. It was probably based on Mexican Santa Muerte. The Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, however, deny that the two are related ang reasoned out in a televised interview that the interpretation of the two saints and the religious representations are different.

@Liesl_Cigarboxguitar

2 жыл бұрын

Most interesting , thanks ! 💜

@schlurpie

2 жыл бұрын

the stewards of La Santa Muerte in the philippines say that it's more of a memento mori than a cultic practice

@rajavlitra

2 жыл бұрын

Saan yan?

@juanmiranda196

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you for sharing

@renzocater3089

2 жыл бұрын

Ok saan yan nakalagay OP?

Your emphasis on Santa Muerte being a folk saint worshipped by all strata of society reminded me a lot of similar Chinese folk heroes venerated in traditional folk religion. Unlike Daoism and Buddhism, which are more systemized religions, and Confucianism, a philosophy, folk religions in China are similar to the decentralized beliefs you describe in this video. In particular, one figure named Guan Yu, is worshipped by all kinds of groups in society, most notably by gangs and triads as well as the police force. You can see statues of him everywhere in cities with a lot of criminal activity such as Hong Kong or Chongqing, but also in business offices, street vendor stalls, and family shrines. A video covering the different aspects of Chinese folk religion would be fascinating.

@Kanal7Indonesia

11 ай бұрын

Chinese people are like amerindians after all.

@samjensen6187

5 ай бұрын

My favourite Chinese restaurant in my town has a really cool statue of Guan Yu on display behind the counter. It's a detailed wood carving. I see statues of him in businesses in Montreal's Chinatown too. Once you know how he's traditionally portrayed, with the polearm and long beard, he's easy to recognize.

@dannysanchez9140

Ай бұрын

Guan Yu was the general dude with that emerald dragon spear, right?

I’ve been to her main shrine in Mexico City a couple times. It is in a spooky part of town. Birds inside chirp and make noise. Devotees bow down at an altar and pray, lighting cigarettes and bringing her soda pop as offerings. They ring a bell when they are done. A lady will prepare you an figurine with birdseed, soda, perfume and cover it with cigar smoke for a small fee.

Great video ! In Argentina we have our own version known as San La Muerte and it too has bad press and a simplified bad image (something shared with African inspired religions like Umbanda and Santeria), usually associated with marginalized lifestyles, criminality and prison. For anyone interested, all Latinoamerica is really rich in religious syncretism and folk religiosity. From Venezuela's Cortes (pantheons of historical and mythical figures, each one with its own dominion) to Argentina's Gauchito Gil (a Robin Hood-like figure who after been caught and executed became one of the most well-known and venerated popular saints)

@rondajones7526

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this cultural knowledge, sometimes people want to learn more but don't want to get lost or overwhelmed

I’m from a town in the Midwest w/ a huge Mexican immigrant population and tho I don’t live near where a majority of that population lives, I’ve seen a lot of iconography of Santa Muerte. She was my first exposure to saints in general since I didn’t grow up Catholic and I always liked her, even when I didn’t really understand her or what she stood for past her association with death.

@buckarooben7635

Жыл бұрын

Please don’t associate her with Catholicism.

Saint Sarah would be interesting. She’s the folk saint of the French Romani.

@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743

2 жыл бұрын

Saint Sarah of France as in the Folk Saint of the Romani Christians?

@Liesl_Cigarboxguitar

2 жыл бұрын

Wow ! I didn't know this ! Thank you for sharing this with us. I'm very interested in the culture and traditions of Romani peoples 💜

@chendaforest

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they have a big festival in southern France every year I believe.

@thepants1450

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@vtheawesome

2 жыл бұрын

She's also the Hindu goddess Kali

Life is a million times stranger than any possible fiction.

@xSTTS

2 жыл бұрын

growing up in méxico i can attest to a vague feeling of surrealism there

@benjaminwatt2436

2 жыл бұрын

There is nothing unusual about people worshiping wealth, which is what people who worship la santa muerte for.

@11kravitzn

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminwatt2436 That seems pretty reductive. Did you watch the video?

@benjaminwatt2436

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bicicletasaladas Interesting points. I've found religion to only been real when connected to the real God.

@benjaminwatt2436

2 жыл бұрын

@@11kravitzn La Muerte cult is huge where i live. i have talked to dozens of followers and they confirm, she's a favors god. also that's what was said in the video. over and over he mentioned how unrestrictive the god is and people ask her for anything. i was speaking from experience.

Your videos are always done with only highest respect for your subject. It's quite admirable, I think it deserves mention.

@rondajones7526

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

I had always assumed it was a recent offshoot of catholicism, but seeing it as a holdout of pre Columbian religion is really interesting. It's a good example of the resilience of a culture.

Santa Muerte is super interesting. I didn't know that the public veneration of her was such a recent phenomenon. Obviously there was a spiritual need among the population for a character like her, since the movement grew so quickly.

@j.2512

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, grows alongside crime because of criminals

@kathryngeeslin9509

2 жыл бұрын

@@j.2512 Not every person outside your little in-group is a criminal. Criminals are people who commit crimes. Crimes are "breaking laws". It is not a crime to believe differently from you.

Can I just say, the way you opened the video was perfect. No plugs, no unnecessary into, or any formalities. You really drew me in by mentioning Breaking Bad and Ghost Recon. Bravo.

I would love to see Our Lady of Guadalupe be covered.

@cL-bf2ug

2 жыл бұрын

@Malcolm X Respete la madre del Dios único y todopoderoso

@cL-bf2ug

2 жыл бұрын

@Malcolm X Los judíos niegan a Jesús. Ellos tienen su propia religión. Pero el cristianismo es para todo el mundo.

@cL-bf2ug

2 жыл бұрын

@Malcolm X Cual genocidio? Fueron los gobiernos que hicieron todo eso no la iglesia. Si la misma iglesia ha peleado por los derechos de los más vulnerables.

@haterboy19888

2 жыл бұрын

@Malcolm X con todas las religiones querrás decir?

@halloweenallyearround4889

Жыл бұрын

@@cL-bf2ug La Iglesia Católica facilitó los genocidios. Fue cómplice y fue incapaz de moderar a los invasores sanguinarios, esclavistas y violadores. Además respaldó el esclavismo y el tráfico de personas. Destruyó lazos comunitarios, culturas y cimentó males socioculturales como la misoginia, el sistema de castas que derivó en colorismo y racismo llano, el capacitismo y la LGBT+fobia. A la fecha las Iglesias Católica y Protestantes promueven crímenes de odio y han asesinado indirectamente a comunidades indígenas aisladas enteras al exponerles a virus.

As a Buddhist, I find this phenomeon very intriguing. On the one hand, the personification of death, or "Māras" as we call them, tend to be evil. The one who was adversary to the Buddha was also known as "Pāpīyan" or "the sinful one." On the other hand, there is a story that an Indian monk managed to convert the Buddha's Māra to Buddhism, which suggests his role as a potential guardian to the faith. It would seem that the "morality" of death is largely dependent on circumstance.

@miken5261

2 жыл бұрын

You make no sense in all this discussion!

@jessl1934

2 жыл бұрын

This is the take on Buddhist theology that you get from skimming a Wikipedia entry and calling it good. "Māras" is not the personification of death. Mṛtyu-māra is Māra _as_ death but that's not the same thing as being just some religious placeholder for death - there is more to it than that. Death is neutral in Buddhism.

@AR-gu2no

2 жыл бұрын

@@miken5261 thinking isn’t your strong suit isn’t it ?

@Crossword131

2 жыл бұрын

To anyone not familiar with different forms and practices within buddhism, (ahem^^ you guys) this may seem off base, but you just don't have the knowledge to understand it.

@Punaparta

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessl1934 "This is the take on Buddhist theology that you get from skimming a Wikipedia entry and calling it good." ...you said, to a Buddhist.

Being from northern Mexico I just want to lay out that you dont really see nor hear much about the cult of La Santa Muerte around here, it is mostly a centern/southern development and as far as the circles and places I frequent, I have yet to meet or see any believer or shrine. Iconography is found but, in my city it is mostly understood just as a fun representation of Death that feels very mexican and authentic, specially in relation to the Dia de los Muertos celebration, not much else.

@Ivanmaradonaaa

Жыл бұрын

yeah is mostly a chilango thing

@starmaker75

Жыл бұрын

That what I first thought when I first saw Santa Muerte, how Mexican saw the grim reaper

@sirkingtero2484

Ай бұрын

Not 100% true. In Sinaloa I drove along a road that had around 5/6 Santa muerte shrines spaced out from one another. It’s definitely not the strongest saint in the north but there will always be followers to venerate; even in small numbers. I would personally vote against it. Especially in a state like Sinaloa where people often just need any excuse to pull the trigger. Preferably, Jesus would do a lot more good.✌🏼

I like this popular veneration of an 'unofficial' saint, especially as she is popular amongst the poor and marginalised in society. It's religion at its best imo.

@chendaforest

2 жыл бұрын

@@KarmaKraftttt no she isn't.

@imperiumgrim4717

2 жыл бұрын

@@KarmaKraftttt before she was santa muerte, she was Mictecacíhuatl AKA "goddess of death" sounds similar but the name itself is still the same she represents "death" stop hating, you catholic and the church has pagan roots "before our ancestors" pray to "God"

@MrRezitinas

2 жыл бұрын

Demon worship

@tupacshakur4evar943

Жыл бұрын

How is it religion at its best? It's just desperate and outcasted people demanding things.

@nullvoid6095

10 ай бұрын

@@MrRezitinas “Demon”… Nah, more like an Angel of Death Source: Trust me, bro

I’m from Argentina and I can assure you that here in South America Santa Muerte is very important for the religious people and it’s very common you to find sanctuaries along the road

@machadonetoc

2 жыл бұрын

Viva San La Muerte!

@genghiskhansbabymomma5649

2 жыл бұрын

San la muerte is different

I have no idea how the worship of Santa Muerte takes place in Mexico, but I developed a relationship with her that lasted a few years. At a moment of great difficulty at work, I heard of her and prayed to her. She delivered me and other colleagues from an abusive manager without harming them at all in a matter of four days. After that, I made a portrait of her and began to pray to her daily, reciting an adapted rosary, also making simple offerings of water, roses and alcohol (though I don't drink myself). My experience is that she was easily accessible, a great protector and one to offer help in many occasions. I'm still very grateful to her and can't fathom how she could be seen as something sinister.

@turnmeondeadman4221

Жыл бұрын

You’re praying to Satan

@kennyg1358

Жыл бұрын

How much does she drink usually?

@AM_61102

Ай бұрын

What do you mean she helped you and your colleagues with an abusive manager? What happened exactly?

@NaveGristle

Ай бұрын

@@AM_61102 The abusive manager was soon offered a promotion to a different department, which they accepted gladly. And I never had contact with them ever since.

Something usually missing from the scholar explanation of Santa Muerte is the mention of esoteric practices beyond the external devotion. Many devotees practice some kind of magical system, often based on hermetic philosophies. When you said (I'm paraphrasing) that many devotees see Santa Muerte as a supernatural version of themselves, this is in line with the hermetic principles. Magic practices around Santa Muerte come from different sources such as shamanism, curanderismo, spiritism, paganism, folk Catholicism, Mexican brujeria, African religions, European esoterism. Through magical practices, practitioners attempt to access the divinities directly rather than through an intermediary such as a priest or pastor. Practitioners not only try to obtain favors or miracles, but also balance in their lives, understanding of their role in the world and a better relationship with life and death.

In Houston, TX you will see many cars with bumper stickers or signs of Santa Muerte on the cars. You can also find candles to her in Mexican supermarkets. It’s really wide spread

I find the devotion to Santa Muerte to be endlessly fascinating. An face of religion different from how we normally think of it. Thanks for covering this topic.

@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456

2 жыл бұрын

This is insanity on top of idolatry. It's desperate people clinging to a foot of the devil while being boiled in its pot.

@piporindo5788

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 Pretty much, I believe that it has risen with the weakness present in the current Catholic Church to enforce proper teaching as well as the societal clusterfuck lingering over Latin America, it sadly shows the ignorance to Christianity held by much of the population who are easily attracted to these “alternatives” for selfish and desperate measures.

@convelwolf9544

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 no

@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456

2 жыл бұрын

@@convelwolf9544 how am I wrong?

@convelwolf9544

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 Santa muerte is a completely different entity/energy, plus the devil is part of the colonizers religion

It is quite interesting to me that the brief description of the veneration of Santa Muerte lines up almost word for word with how Shiva is venerated in Hinduism. Obviously, this is a gross simplification on my part, and the two cultures are a world apart (both literally and metaphorically), so it is exceedingly unlikely that either influenced the other in any significant way. I think this is a great example of "convergent evolution" within human social structures (as opposed to convergent evolution seen in biological contexts).

@caraxes_noodleboi

2 жыл бұрын

Also Santa Muerte translated to Sanskrit would be Santa Mṛtyu. They sound so similar.

@eduardof7322

2 жыл бұрын

Interestingly enough, Shiva is among with Ganesh perhaps the most popular deity of Hinduism in Mexico. Even though there are very few people who actually practice Hinduism in Mexico, Shiva is extremely common to find in the esoteric world and in Mexican magic. His image is constantly worship and used by many who claim to practice different forms of sorcery and witchcraft through a sincretism of different deities of the world. I have found a lot of candles, cards, images and small statues of Shiva in different esoteric bookstores and markets. I have no idea why this is the case though.

@josef2012

2 жыл бұрын

Jai Bhairavi Devi 🙏💗🌈

@battlerushiromiya651

2 жыл бұрын

@@eduardof7322 Because Shiva is also associated with just about anyone like Santa Muerte.

@teehee4096

2 жыл бұрын

@@caraxes_noodleboi this is because of Spanish and Sanskrit's shared lineage from Proto-Indo-European. ETA: "From Proto-Indo-Iranian *mr̥tyúš (“death”), from Proto-Indo-European *mer- (“to die”). Cognate with Avestan 𐬨𐬆𐬭𐬆𐬚𐬌𐬌𐬎‎ (mərəθiiu), Old Persian 𐎶𐎼𐏁𐎡𐎹 (m-r-š-i-y /məršiyu/), Lithuanian mirtis, Latin mors." -Wiktionary. From "mors (singular accusative form "mortem") derives Spanish/Castilian "muerte".

I'm from Panama. I use to pray to Santa Muerte as a child and still do today. There are many aspects to Santa Muerte. 🌹

I wish people would recognize Santa Muerte devotion as a modern manifestation of indigenous Mexican religion, and not something associated with violence

@grantsmythe8625

2 жыл бұрын

It goes back to the Aztecs and probably much farther.

@JimmyNails27

2 жыл бұрын

Even though it's both?

@11mazatl

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimmyNails27 why is it people always want to associate religions from latin america with violence. santeria, vodou, santa muerte, etc. it's just a tired racist trope. the existence of christian and muslim extr*mists doesn't mean those religions are violent, likewise with Santa Muerte devotion.

@tisFrancesfault

2 жыл бұрын

@@11mazatl Its not really in the broad sense, that being, Aztecs captured people typically in battle or the sacking of cites, and mass scarified them. IN modern views this is considered bad. Santeria has blood sacrifice, Vodou and its practices of using it to cause harm. santa muerte exists as it does due to the rather poor and violent state of Mexico.

@a.s.f.g.8345

2 жыл бұрын

@@11mazatl I guess the issue is not the Religion on itself but who it appeals to, it's kind of natural that people who are constantly facing death and risking their life would feel a stronger connection with the personification of death, it's a more cynic view on Catholicism

My mother in law was (I mean she is still alive but my husbando is death so...) a Santa Muerte devotee and she was told that you can practice devotion to Santa Muerte from every religious ritual you would like because "la huesuda" doesn't discriminate. The idea of non-discrimination is very interesting because Mexico is a very racist country, the type of life you would get depends a lot on the color of your skin and other social determinants; also it's very common for undocumented migrants because they know the will be discriminated in USA so they need someone who wouldn't discriminate by their side. In a country with a lot of machismo it's very understandable that they look for a non discriminative group.

Awesome video. I'm an Australian Firefighter and I've been on the path of The Most Holy Death for six years now.

@hauntedhouse7827

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully she keeps you safe.

@nachtegaelw5389

2 жыл бұрын

How did you discover/get into it?

@creepygallery3303

2 жыл бұрын

@@nachtegaelw5389 I think the first time I became aware of Santa Muerte was about seven years ago through a documentary about religion.

@nachtegaelw5389

2 жыл бұрын

@@creepygallery3303 cool!

@alexblue6991

2 жыл бұрын

Dose this work as I'm interested but I'm from Scotland

Thank you for the video! I went from Catholic to atheist to devotee of santa muerte over my life and she has been a benevolent force in my life who sees me through rough times and grants me opportunities. I still buy a new statue every time I go from unemployed to employed as a thank you to her. When something good happens to me, I thank her. When something bad happens to me, I thank her for sparing me from an even worse fate. ♥ :)

@wanh5335

Жыл бұрын

I don't think she really exist

@l.svonoesen9919

Жыл бұрын

​@@wanh5335 and you had to mention that because ??

@ia8018

Жыл бұрын

Beautiful devotion to Her you have ❤💀

@Kanal7Indonesia

11 ай бұрын

Good for u. I respect your belief

@lordoftheflies7024

9 ай бұрын

Can I ask how u went from being a nonbeliever to a believer again? Especially to a figure like death?

This is similar to Saint Bridget, an Irish Saint which is actually a reimagining of the Celtic goddess of the same name, associated with motherhood and women

Santa Muerte also plays a prominent role in 'Penny Dreadful: City of Angels'! In the show, she functions not only as a venerated deity, but also a character with stakes in the overarching story. Highly recommended! I've been wanting to learn more about her since I saw the show so, to both you and Dr. Kingsbury, thank you for this explainer!

Death is divine because death cannot be cured, because death is not a disease. It's a passage towards another life that you'll experience eternally. No one is saying death is enjoyable, especially for the family members that have experienced their loved ones go. Yet, There’s a sense of relief and curiosity of not knowing where the soul/conscious is going after it has left our bodies. So with that realization it is impossible to deny its divinity.

@alexarviso6836

6 ай бұрын

well said

I've been looking forward to this episode, thank you.

This channel is everything I’ve been looking for thank you so much

This is my new favourite channel.

technically the official catholic saint that's a rival to Santa Muerte is the Virgin of Guadalupe i.e the Virgin Mary. She is venerated far and wide in Mexico and far beyond into latin america as well. She is praised to the point that many protestants critisize catholics as worshipping her as if she was god herself with prayers like the rosery. And she is relatable to many such as woman, mothers and sacrifice.

I'm a white guy and I worship her. She like a mother to me

Love to see you covering topics like this. It really helps to have your level, inclusive perspective to contrast the exoticized and sensational portrayals.

im a devotee, she may seem evil and the stigma makes her seem negative, but shes the loveliest 🛐

@charlemagne9935

7 ай бұрын

No one asked

@maventry

7 ай бұрын

Christ is king

@hottgirllll

7 ай бұрын

@@maventry to you

@hottgirllll

7 ай бұрын

@@charlemagne9935 omg ur so edgy

@peebay3515

7 ай бұрын

@@maventry Yes but Santa Muerte is mistress of all living and dead.

Yes!! This was so good! More folk saints please!

@ReligionForBreakfast

2 жыл бұрын

Would you rather see Jesus Malverde or Maximón? I'd be excited to make a video on either of them.

@mjr_schneider

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReligionForBreakfast Maximón would make for an interesting vid

@JayPfo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReligionForBreakfast Maximon please he's a fantastic Saint that I have paid my respects to and if you were to make a video on him that would help me with my task

@juniorloaf12

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReligionForBreakfast why not both?

@Liesl_Cigarboxguitar

2 жыл бұрын

@@juniorloaf12 yes I agree, why not both ❤️

Love videos of this part of the world. I’ve been doing a deep dive of the people I’d call my ancestors; this channel has been a big part of this rabbit hole haha

Fascinating ! Thanks to Dr Kate Kingsbury and you for this video.

Nice video . I was looking for a non biased video , much appreciated

I still remember the first time I saw the big statue thing in Ecatepec, I thought it was a haunted house! It's somewhat difficult to approach anyone who is devoted to La Santa Muerte because in my experience, they are very fanatic or, usually into very bad stuff. I was surprised to learn more from this channel than from folks back home!

There is also a big following of Santisima in the UK, I myself am a devotee as are a few of my friends. Much love and blessing my brothers and sisters.

@gabrielacepeda6645

Жыл бұрын

I don't worship exactly The Santisima, but I have been learning and worshipping Death and their representation through gods and goddesses, so blesings for you too, dear.

Great content Thank you for bringing more light into this dark subject for many of us from the border region where we may know some but not all of the background. Thank you!

She’s the best thing that ever happen to me

As a latin american, seeing other people spreading our naturally diverse culture through knowledge makes me proud of my origins.

@benjaminwatt2436

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a huge supporter of Mexican culture, or really any culture. however if some elements of your culture is negative, it should be rejected. La muerte is a demonic figure. celebrate food, dance and other positive items, not demons

@pampitam

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminwatt2436 He said latin american, latin america is bigger than just Mexico, im argentinian and im also latin american

@finotello8529

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminwatt2436 Bro, I'm just latin american, that doesn't mean I'm Mexican, and even if I was, it's a culture, why can't you just respect what's not yours? And you are mistaken, they don't warship the death literally, the Mexicans just have a different perspective over death and loss, Mexicans don't think death is cool, and created a figure to simplify it all...

@finotello8529

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bicicletasaladas Yeah, it's only natural, they just deal with differently.

@batissta44

Жыл бұрын

This is Mexican culture, not Latin American culture.

What an absoluetly fascinating video. I loved it! Great Job!!!!

This was too good and really enjoy the work put into making such informative videos

An affront to the theotokos.

@SuperGreatSphinx

4 ай бұрын

Hail Mary

Fascinating...thanks for the upload.

Great video enjoy all the historical information and the visuals.

Fascinating subject. And excellent presentation, as always.

Super interesting video! It never ceases to amaze me how local tradition manages to meld with christianity, creating either a synergic faith or creates a whole new belief system.

@carloswater7

2 жыл бұрын

Catholic Church is the one that malds with local traditions. This has nothing to do with Christianity.

@LenaFerrari

2 жыл бұрын

@@carloswater7 huh? Catholicism is a form of Christian faith. All religions that follow Jesus fall under the category of christian

@carloswater7

2 жыл бұрын

@@LenaFerrari the teachings of Jesus Christ traced back to the first century AD. The Catholic church was established in the fourth Century AD. And the teachings of the Catholic Church are completely different than that of Jesus Christ. In fact in the year 1229 the Catholic Church banned the Bible. They follow something that Jesus Christ didn't thought. Therefore, the Catholic church is not a form of Christianity.

@LenaFerrari

2 жыл бұрын

@@carloswater7 it's officially considered a form of Christianity. And they follow their interpretation of Jesus teachings. No, they did not ban the Bible lol, where did you get that idea from? They still use the Bible. Just because you disagree with their interpretation of Jesus' thoughts doesn't mean they aren't Christians. And, unless you are orthodox catholic, your Christian religion is probably a derivative of the catholic church anyways

@carloswater7

2 жыл бұрын

@@LenaFerrari that's just your opinion. It's not a form of Christianity. Yes the Catholic Church did ban the Bible. Here's the proof Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): "We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books." Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned..." Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to "...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ's sentence." For this "heresy" Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council's decree "Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River." Fate of William Tyndale in They don't teach the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's why I don't agree with their interpretation. Jesus Christ taught to keep The Seventh-Day Sabbath which is on Saturday. But the Catholic Church teaches we have to go to church on Sunday. Jesus Christ taught us to keep the Passover which is once a year. The Catholic Church celebrates Easter and Christmas something that it's not in the Bible. I hope you learned something today.

Im a non denominational believer, not Mexican but I speak some Spanish. Santa Muerte is greatly helpful to me as a person who has lots of trauma from grieving my loved ones and stages of my own life. I've been trying to learn more Spanish and about her folk practice to get close to her. Thank you for your unbiased view, very informative! 🙏🏼

From Connecticut, US here. I went to a pagan/magick store in Winsor yesterday and it was selling statues of her as well as a side room that was a shrine to her, where people left offerings (mostly money in terms of small bills) I popped my head in to see what the room looked like and was a bit startled by the skeletal figure. (ended up buying a small obsidian stone and leaving it in the altar room as a way of apologizing for popping my head in and possibly disturbing Santa Muerte unintentionally.) better safe than sorry i felt.

Excellent topic and work. Thanks very much.

Fantastic video on Santa Muerte. I still give offerings to her in the ancient mesoamerican style, or at least the version I've been taught, since I'm not catholic

@dylantennant6594

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds amazing. If you don't mind me asking, how do you offer in the Mesoamerican style? I ask, because the different civilizations, Maya, Mexica, Olmec, etc, had different ways of offering to her, I'm just curous on how that intells? Though if its more private forgive my asking.

@JayPfo

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylantennant6594 no its fine, I'm ethnically lowland maya so this is how my family does it. I have an alter with her image on it, and others that have passed from through out the year and venerated ancestors. I paint my face with coal and ash in the image of a skeleton and I offer tobacco, chocolate, coffee, alcohol, and my own blood just something small. We burn the paper with my blood and use it to light the tobacco then we all drink and eat the other offerings after they have been smudged with the tobacco. And that's it, throughout the night anytime we consume one of the offerings we do a cheers towards the alter. I think its pretty close to the catholic style but I don't know which came first, but we recognize Santa Muerte for who she was to our ancestors. We respect her connection to catholicism but my family and I hold no real positive feelings about Christianity so we give thanks to who she was and what she does now

@cristianvillanueva8782

2 жыл бұрын

@@KarmaKraftttt we're here to learn. Not discriminate.

@dylantennant6594

2 жыл бұрын

@@KarmaKraftttt That’s literally one half of discrimination, hating those you deem unworthy, all you have to do is put a sword to our throats, and knowing you corpse worshipers, I wouldn’t put it past you. Your god is nothing more than an unholy tyrant, a god who would see us all in chains bowing before him. You may call it discrimination, I call it a retort to the many, many threats that have been scene upon me and my people. Odin is mightier.

@megamaniscoolrightguys2749

2 жыл бұрын

@@KarmaKraftttt - “You're talking like a kid!” - Starts comments with “ewwww”

This sort of rang some bells for me because I remember reading a story called Death's godson. Throughout the story death was referred to as she/her which I'd not seen before.

This is very informative. Thanks for uploading this video.

I would love more Saint videos this was really helpful :)

The practice reminds me of Jewish golem folklore, largely unorthodox but stories spring up amongst communities in times of injustice.

@claesvanoldenphatt9972

2 жыл бұрын

Even golem and the Kabbalah mysticism powering it has no resemblance to the deep spiritual rot symbolized by the worship of this demon. Golem of legend was a machine powered by energies derived from God to protect the Jewish community when called upon to do so. No Jew ever even venerated a golem.

@andybeans5790

2 жыл бұрын

@@claesvanoldenphatt9972there are no such things as demons, this is simply a placebo like Yahweh or any other imaginary being

@benrichards8987

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite. Unlike other types of gods or beings worshipped, Santa muerte is your death and your fate, and as such, yours to bargain with. You may worship her but in the end it's all about you. It is very spiritual but also very non secular. A golem is an idol, most gods are an experience, but muerte is a reality

@claesvanoldenphatt9972

2 жыл бұрын

@@benrichards8987 as I said, now Jew would ever worship a golem. Anyone who calls himself Christian and has recourse to demon-worship is lying to himself.

@claesvanoldenphatt9972

2 жыл бұрын

@oaktree_ death is evil, demonic. No one gets to bargain with death but in fairy tales. Christ has already narrowed hades and deprived death of power though. Pagans still live under its thrall. Too bad for them.

Absolutely fascinating thank you!!

Great video! Thanks for your Time!

Santa Muerte is also very popular with the LGBT community! A good friend of mine came out when he lived in Texas and one of his friends gave him a medal of Santa Muerte to protect him. He carried it with him for years despite being raised Protestant and being disillusioned with religion at the time. He eventually gave the medal to a friend when she moved out of state so Santa Muerte would watch over her as well. I'm not Catholic, but I'm very grateful to her for watching over my friend! Things have never been easy for him, so I'm happy he had someone by his side ❤

@CantoniaCustoms

Жыл бұрын

Of course the deity of drug dealers, sicarios, and other degenerates is the diety of the lgbtq community

@buckarooben7635

Жыл бұрын

You worded that as if she’s part of the catholic religion. 😐

@Bundpataka

7 ай бұрын

@@buckarooben7635if many Mexican Catholics venerate her, then she’s part of Mexican Catholicism

Once I met a construction worker who was also a shaman for the Holly Death. He told me he believed there were 4 gods: Jesus, God the Father, Mary and the Holly Death He also told me about a bunch of magic rituals he performed and he offered to perform some for me (for a cost of course because it’s a job) but I declined

@a.s.f.g.8345

2 жыл бұрын

That's the issue with the cult to la Santa muerte, it's a weird mix of Catholicism, prehuspanic rituals, santería, witchcraft, etc. So it's easy to see what kind of people attracts, people who believe in the occult, people who want a more cynic and pragmatic view in religion and people in constant relation or in risk of death

@xiuhcoatl4830

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.s.f.g.8345 Blame the nazarene for that and how his promises never are fullfilled

@pansepot1490

2 жыл бұрын

What’s the religion that doesn’t ask for money?

@cL-bf2ug

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that’s literally just breaking the first commandment. I’ve heard scary stories though of people who’ve tried leaving the Santa muerte cult and they’ll have these paranormal things happen to them. I wouldn’t mess with that stuff if you ever come across it again.

@NinaR478

2 жыл бұрын

@@xiuhcoatl4830 speak for yourself.

Should also mention that she has a pretty devout LGBT following. Thanks for the video, though. Would love more videos on folk saints, including controversial ones like Simon of Trent.

@lexodius

2 жыл бұрын

No surprise there

@lexodius

2 жыл бұрын

@@maddies_he4rt easy 'saint' - broad way

@ghostshrimp5006

2 жыл бұрын

@@lexodius there name checks out

@chendaforest

2 жыл бұрын

Yes popular with many people who may be on the fringe of society. Kinda like pure land Buddhism and Christianity was once.

@kathryngeeslin9509

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghostshrimp5006 yeah.

Excellent video. Thanks for your hard work.

As a queer Catholic living in Mexico, I'm not too sure what to feel about her. I can understand the worship, but personally I'd never turn to her. She is an amoral saint, and a lot of criticism of her worship is steeped in undeniable bigotry, but I feel the negative connotations are way too strong for me to feel happy about her being a popular saint with fellow queer people. I think we deserve better than association with death, neutral as it may be.

@SuperGreatSphinx

2 ай бұрын

OUR LADY OF LIGHT The Blessed Virgin Mary

been waiting for this vid for ages

Loving watching this on Dia Delos Muertos so thank you

@Ivanmaradonaaa

Жыл бұрын

they are 2 completely different things tho

Such an interesting episode. Love your channel!

THANK YOU .. Shes been reaching out to me lately. i had to do my research! 🙏

Excellent presentation! I’d love to see you do one on another Mexican folk saint, Niño Fidencio.

I like how the Mexican Grim Reaper is a benevolent not evil deity, she is misunderstood

I love this Chanel so much

Oh I love that you made a video of La Muerte!! ♥

Really good work, learned a lot.

i was an atheist but she changed that now im a devotee because she is the truth she is love and she cares for us more than we can ever understand! blessed be Santa Muerte our holy mother the Goddess of all Goddesses!

@kennyg1358

Жыл бұрын

Lol

Excellent documentary. Congratulations.

Great show by the way brother very informative

You could do more videos on latin american folk saints like "Gauchito Gil" from Argentina or "Negrinho do Pastoreio" from Brazil.

I'm a Mexican american who has a very Catholic family I had no idea what la santa muerte was until I read about it in a book recently. it's all very interesting I might consider devoting to her

Thank you for your interesting video ❤️

Amazing video, with Greg contact, and excellently executed

I wouldve never expected this video from anybody. Props!

The devotion of Saint Jude (San Judas Tadeo) here in Mexico is another very interesting cult, I think its veneration is the one that most resembles folk religion while being officially catholic and of course the Catholic Church has heavy capitalized on it while many people see this veneration as a more acceptable devotion to that of La Santa Muerte

she sounds like a skinny legend. icon.

@Santamuerte13

Жыл бұрын

She is Santa Muerte is amazing 😌

She is similar to Dhumavati in Tantric Hinduism, the 7th wisdom goddess of the Mahvidyas. Maa Dhum is open to all people and answers all prayers to those who are truly devout.

That was great. Thank you Next one in the series on the folk saints of Argentina el Gauchito Gil and la Difunta Correa?

How serendipitous! I was just in my local religious items store yesterday with my wife to look for something for her birthday, it is a very small store that has been operated by a old Mexican couple for the last 35 years and they had tons of Santa Muerte idols and candles, I got super excited and was trying to explain to my wife about her but was doing a poor job at it. Now I can just show her this video lol.

@ghostshrimp5006

2 жыл бұрын

Good for you my man, I’m sure she’ll find it interesting

“Death doesn't discriminate Between the sinners And the saints It takes and it takes and it takes…”-Aaron Burr in the musical Hamilton by Lin Manuel Miranda

Thank you! Very informative and unbiased!