Best review that I have seen so far on the new Tallboy. Nice job!

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the kind words. Glad you liked it!

I took this very demo bike out and loved it! Great bike!

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could break it in for you.

Great ride and review. That bike looks sick!!

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it. The bike is pretty dang great. Ride one if you get the chance.

@mrrims

4 жыл бұрын

Biker's Edge I’m gonna pull the trigger on either the tall boy or Hightower. Just not sure which one yet till I ride both of them!

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

If you're local we have both in stock and in our demo fleet. Stay tuned for the Tallboy vs Hightower video soon too.

@mrrims

4 жыл бұрын

Biker's Edge no I’m out here in north Georgia! Pretty far to go for a demo!!! Ha

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrrims It's only a 30 hour drive. Probably worth it. Plus you'd get to ride Utah trails.

I get mine in 2 weeks. CC with GX and Alloy Wheels. I'm not at the X01 level yet. I also saved almost 2k on the build.

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! GX is my go-to drivetrain. Best bang for the buck.

Thanks. I’m going to demo Alchemy Arktos 29 ST and revel rascal. I own Yeti SB100 which is great for most rides, super efficient and quick, but looking for more stable at high speed.

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't ridden the Arktos 29 but I can vouch for the Revel Rascal. It's a great balanced trail bike. More stable than the SB100 on the descents and still a solid climber (not XC level though.)

Are the tires 2.4? 🤔

Great review! I get mine in a couple of weeks (TB kit S). What trail are you riding?

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

Rad. You’ll love it. I want to say I was at Solitude for filming this one.

Great video... well all of them are! Can you compare this to a Trek EX8 or have you not ridden the Fuels?

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks! Unfortunately I haven't ridden a Fuel so I can't compare.

Hey, how would you rate the potential of this bike being able to handle park days, most of my riding is Midwest trail, but want to be able to hit the bigger stuff, also waiting to see the new Smuggler

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

It would be ok in the bike park - not great. Personally I’d take something different but if I only had this, I’d send it.

I know not exactly same class but what are your thoughts vs the Yeti SB130, particularly on climb? My guess is Yeti is more efficient in open mode on most climbs but maybe Tallboy has better traction on really techy stuff? Thanks for the great review!

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Thats a tough call. The Yeti may be a touch more efficient but it weighs more. Those two might cancel each other out. I'd think overall the Tallboy is a better climber than the 130 due to weight and shorter overall suspension to sag into if that makes sense.

@certainperfectratio

4 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge awesome, thanks for the thoughts.

@certainperfectratio

4 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge I just wanted to follow up in case helpful for anyone. I ended up having the opportunity to spend lots of time on both the Tallboy and the SB130 in Crested Butte and here are some thoughts: I rode the XL in each. I'm 6'2". I rode the GX ~$5,000 build in both. The sizing on the Tallboy felt spot on. The Yeti maybe a hair big. The SB130 feels like it needs to be ridden hard. I found it understeers when riding more mellow and you're not aggressively the bars. The Tallboy is more playful and easier to throw around. Could be because reach is a tad shorter. There's also some magic in that VPP platform where it feels plush on downhills yet still lively and easy to boost off of little features. On climbing, I've always considered myself to be a Yeti person because I love how you can stand and stomp and the switch infinity just accelerates. It's amazing to me. The Tallboy has a little bob when stomping on it, so I found myself switching the rear Fox shock to trail mode (the middle setting). When I did that, the pedal platform was firm and supported standing and stomping while still having good traction. On the Yeti I left it open and never touched it. For seated spinny climbing, the Tallboy didn't bob at all, for what it's worth, and had great traction. For descending, I'd say the SB130 is more capable if sheer speed is the goal. That big fork and long front end makes it fast. I felt like I was a better rider on the Santa Cruz though. I could be more precise. I ended up buying the Tallboy. It won on fun factor for me.

@robwilkins304

3 жыл бұрын

@@certainperfectratio thanks for the follow-up bud! I'm same height and currently riding an XL trance 29... reach is pretty short (480 and my seat moved all the way forward so likely 470ish). Going to see if I can get some seat time on this bike soon....how are you liking after 3 months?

Great ride, I can't decide witch bike I should choose vor next year, the TB or HT ???? what is the more balanced bike between Up and Downhill ???

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

If you can only have one bike and need the extra travel for riding tough trails or racing, go with the HT. You will be able to ride any trail you want on it. If you don't ride difficult downhills you could get away with a Tallboy. We have a video coming out soon highlighting the differences between the TB, HT and MT.

@Cartsp70

4 жыл бұрын

Biker's Edge that’s easy the HT is rubbish

Quick question on the SC Tallboy. I have a new tallboy V5, 2023, and after 4 rides it developed and creak “click and clonk”. I was able to fix the “click” but not the “clonk”. I have service the rear through axel, cassette, hub, the rear shox, all the pivots, BB, direct mount chain ring. Saddle and seat post as well. Head set too. I still have the “clonk”. I feel it it coming from the BB rear triangle. Any thoughts?

@bikersedge

Жыл бұрын

Man. Bike noises can be so hard to figure out. Pedals?

Great review. Just bought this bike today. So did you have the Minions that came with it on? I'm debating swapping them out.

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

For this review I had the stock minions. I’ve ridden the bike with a variety of tires. I think a minion/dissector combo would be great for aggressive riding while a dissector/Rekon combo would be good for a lighter duty setup.

@FlyFishtheMitt

3 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge I live in MI and most of our stuff is flow trails. Very little aggressive feature (rocks, slab, chunk) type riding. It's the main reason I've considered swapping them out. No doubt those look like killer tires for that stuff. What width have you found you like the most? I'm looking at the Maxxis Rekon 2.40WT's.

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

I usually run a 2.5/2.4 front and a 2.4/2.3 rear. I don’t really love super wide tires. They feel a little slow and they don’t cut through the gravel to the grippy dirt below as well.

Nice!

Hey man! Do you think the aluminum frame with lower end build perform just as good or at least as close as the ones being shown on reviews? Nobody ever reviews this bike on a bottom build. LOL

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

For sure. The most important parts are still there. The geometry and suspension design are the same as the high end counterparts. I’d say the entry level alloy builds are 85% as good as the high end builds.

@ejizzle03

3 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge Great to hear that! I was surprised how cheap some of the components are on the bottom build. It made me think if it was worth going for another brand with better value. But I got a really great deal with a bit of upgrades and also supporting local bike shop. I know the first upgrades will be the forks and brakes. Thanks for the reply

@scratchinforstackz2863

Жыл бұрын

@@ejizzle03 I just got a used tallboy (4th design) in the aluminum D build, the lower end. Ordered 200mm rotors and caliper adapters last night. Seems the brakes are the main weak point on the D build .

Would you guys recommend this TB4 or a regular travel stumpjumper for owning one bike on the east coast trails in Maryland?

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Haven't ridden a Stumpy so I can't really say one way or the other. I can highly recommend the Tallboy as a fun and engaging trail bike.

@iopusor

4 жыл бұрын

The stumpy is a really nice bike however the horst link makes it not much of a good pedalling bike. So if you want a bike that is better on the climbs go with the TB. The stumpy is very plush tho and gives good traction just soaks up a lot of your pedalling. I ride a LT stumpy myself but considering swapping for a TB4 instead.

Any thoughts if the occam is a better choice? Maybe more value for the price?

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

I think you’ll get more value out of the Occam. You’ll get better components for the same price. As far as the better choice goes, the two bikes feel different on the trail. The Occam is fast and sporty where the Tallboy is fun and playful.

Nice review. How does the fun factor and nimbleness of the Tallboy compares to the Ripmo V1?

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks, glad you liked it. The Tallboy is significantly more nimble and playful. While the Ripmo is remarkably agile and fun for a long travel bike, it can't quite match the short travel Tallboy.

@bryantmccallson8963

3 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge I currently ride a Ripmo V1. I have a guy that wants to trade me his Tallboy C S frame and Pike Ultimate for my frame and fork. I am super tempted. Am I crazy? I mostly ride Wasatch range with several Moab trips yearly.

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

@@bryantmccallson8963 Tough call. It all comes down to how you ride on the DH. If you like to go fast and push the pace, keep your Ripmo. If you like to jump and jib around, make the trade.

@bryantmccallson8963

3 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge My riding style historically is more more plow bike. As I get older I am realizing that I am less focused on speed and really trying to eek every bit of fun out of the trail. I love how low slung the tallboy is and how the stack is almost as high as the Ripmo but the BB is lower (in the bike feel, where I feel very on the Ripmo.) My biggest worry about the trade would be climbing. Does the Tallboy out climb the Ripmo?

Hi Connor, Can you put a Lyric 140 on the New Tallboy v4; & if so have you tried it as it's only about 300g heavier in the fork department ! What do you think 🤔 love your expert thoughts !

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

I mean you could. Santa Cruz recommends 130mm up front. You'd want to make sure that going to 140mm won't void your warranty as the axle to crown height might be too tall. Personally, I wouldn't mess with it. The seat tube angle is slack enough as is (especially for tall guys like me) and it's only going to get slacker with a longer fork. I also don't think it needs it. At that point, just buy the Hightower.

@andrewgreenwood8727

3 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge cheers connor as I thought, Tallboy v4 will do pretty much any trail even steeper more rough trails just the latter at a slower speed ! I had a 130, 130 trail bike called the Whyte 130 works on 27.5 wheels & that was a so much fun up & down ! 👍

Thank you for your review. Few questions, test rode the mega, Bronson, new hightower. I have the old hightower and an aluminum 5010. I'm selling my 5010 and getting a replacement frame for my hightower. I loved the way the megatower felt, and as well as the Bronson. Would you recommend the megatower and then as a secondary bike for winter riding as well? 5010C, hightower as a 27+ or Bronson? I'd like to have both wheel sets but the 29er are kinda keeping me there but I like the hook of the +. Thanks again for everything

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

The Megatower/5010 combo would be pretty awesome. Both very different bikes with different strengths. It would be a cool setup for sure.

Im in the market for a new bike im debating between the tallboy and trek fuel ex 8, i see the fuel ex has better components on the drive traing for the same price and im talking about the alloy edition on both bikes if it was you what would you choose based on your professional experience, please advise

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

I haven’t ridden the Trek so I can’t really say. The Tallboy has been such a fun bike to ride though. It is pretty capable for a short travel bike. It takes some nasty terrain for it to start feeling outgunned.

@88jonathanc

3 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge thank you so much

How does it compare to the rascal?

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty similar actually. I think the Tallboy is a little more "playful" where the Rascal is a bit more capable and grounded. Climbing is similar.

thx! is this bike better than a transition spur?

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

We have a video where I compare it to the Spur. Check that out!

Was that a pogo stick you were riding?

Will a Fox36 140mm be okay?

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

Don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. It would suit the bike pretty well.

Can you provide how it rides compared to the TB3?

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Completely different bikes really. The TB4 does not climb as the TB3 but is soooo much better on the DH.

@flyingnorseman

4 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge thank you

The trails in the video were not very technical. Therefore I am surprised, that you feel your SC Megatower would be faster. You could ride these trails even with a hard tail. It seems, there is a trend towards "over-biking"

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

You certainly could ride those trails on a hard tail. I mean technically you could ride any trail on a hardtail. Just google "Tresspasser Whistler Hardtail" if you want an example. Keep in mind there is a bit of the GoPro effect in our video. There are a few rocky bits that longer travel bikes will allow you to hit faster. I know because I've ridden this trail on LT and ST bikes. There might be a trend of over-biking, but that trend is what has allowed a lot of folks to have the confidence to ride a wider variety of trails. Having a little error forgiveness built into the built isn't always a bad thing.

@TheLeesto

4 жыл бұрын

i would have liked to have seen the bike hit the same trails as the sb130 and hightower

@TheAllEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge I go riding with people that are over biked, whilst their downhill may slightly improve they are hideously slow everywhere else where they need to pedal because those longer travel bikes are like tanks to pedal around especially when powering them up. I hear all the time comments about how efficiently bikes like the mega tower pedal, yeah right and my xc race bike is a downhill weapon too lol

When is the Tallboy 2023 review coming out ?

@bikersedge

Жыл бұрын

Soon.

Trying to decide on this v the HIghtower. Thoughts?

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Tough call. It really depends on what and how you ride. Me personally, I'd take the Hightower because I like riding tough and steep trails. I also do the occasional enduro race or two. The Hightower better suits what I like to do. The Tallboy is a great bike for a jibby rider or someone looking for a more balanced ride that goes uphill better than a Hightower.

@klugehf

4 жыл бұрын

Biker's Edge thanks. It’s hard to tell how twitchy it feels on those steeper pitches with bigger chunk. I’ll be racing the local series next year so I’ll go Hightower. Please keep posting your channel has a great aesthetic and your reviews are very clear.

@Cartsp70

4 жыл бұрын

hagen kluge Hey I tried the new Hightower Saturday 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽 man it’s SO SLUGGISH,ITS JUST LIKE THE NEW V3 Bronson YOU PEDAL Pedal pedal put in loads of effort but you don’t get anywhere honestly the bike feels numb like ZERO feedback I think it’s like a general bike basically someone that wants to buy a mountain bike and do everything and he’s not fussy bUYS the Hightower seriously THE MEGAtower is climbing is still better , downhill 10 times better twisty TRAILS ITS still better go FOR the mega tower every single time DUDE trust me 👍🏽 hope that helps 😎

@Cartsp70

4 жыл бұрын

Biker's Edge Can you Hightower it’s just like the Bronson V3 very very sluggish its okay downhill not very good at climbing there is no way it can be better than New Tallboy in my opinion the tower is incredible downhill it’s great on the flat and it also climbing is really good for the size of the bike 👍🏽

what's the brace on your left hand about?...I suspect your left thumb is messed up like mine.

@bikersedge

2 жыл бұрын

I tried to tear my thumb off in a bike crash. Had a cast molded to my bars.

@dropoutjohn

2 жыл бұрын

@@bikersedge the cast keeps pressure off your thumb? I have nerve damage and probably bone damage too in my thumb from a life time of falling off of a skateboard... It gets painful after a few hours of hard mtn biking. Have you featured that cast in one of your videos?

@bikersedge

Жыл бұрын

It didn't keep pressure off. It just stabilized my thumb. I had torn a bunch of ligaments and couldn't hold onto the bars without it.

@stevenbassman3305

Жыл бұрын

And you still ride faster than me 😂. Great video man

@bikersedge

Жыл бұрын

👍

This bike with a 140mm fork would be sick! I'm currently riding a Yeti sb4.5 and am starting to look for a bike that improves on what I love about the Yeti. This bike seems to check a lot of the boxes! At 6'4" I have never been between sizes before, I think I would lean towards the xl vs the xxl because of the ability to extend the chainstay 10mm(430 to 440mm).

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

I couldn't help but think a 140 would be really nice.

How would you compare it to the Ibis Ripley?

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Oh just you wait. Thats the next video to drop. Surprisingly they are very different bikes.

What water bottle is that? It looks cool :)

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly can’t remember. It might have been a Salsa branded one.

What is that on your left wrist ? Ty

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Musarra a thumb brace. I tore a bunch of ligaments in my thumb earlier this year.

@musarra195

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Nice taco!

What trails are these? They look like a blast!

@SMA_Dad

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Where is this? Thanks 😎

@matt-jami-Van

5 жыл бұрын

It looks like Solitude, Utah. Just outside of Salt Lake City. I could be wrong, I usually just ski there and it's hard to tell without snow on the ground.

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

Matt is right. Solitude trails.

@downeastmtb8091

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to ask this and WHY IS NO ONE ELSE THERE?! You had the place all to yourself!

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

​@@downeastmtb8091 Wednesday at noon. Thats the key to Solitude.

I think these kind of bikes can only benefit from faster rolling tires, or at the very least a faster rolling rear one. SC has the same set of tires on more aggressive bikes in thier lineup so the decision is kinda odd.

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

I agree to an extent. The tire slows things down on the climbs and coasty trails but adds sooooo much capability on the downhills. I just rode the Orbea Occam yesterday with a Highroller/Rekon combo and the whole time I was wanting Minions.

Would you take this over a Ripley?

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

Personally, yes because I place an emphasis on the descents. Someone looking for a more efficient and faster climber would probably enjoy the Ripley more.

@cisko213

4 жыл бұрын

Biker's Edge how much faster can it be. Are we splitting hairs. I just want to make sure I’m not getting wrong bike. Ripley vs Tallboy vs Fuel ex. Can I go wrong with any of these bikes.

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

@@cisko213 The climbing difference between the Ripley and the Tallboy wouldn't be splitting hairs. I think the difference is significant. I can't speak for the Fuel though.

@fabian12369139

4 жыл бұрын

@@cisko213 Fuel Ex is way bigger, better comparison would be Top Fuel. Fuel Ex will handle better repeated and bigger hits. Also it does pedal very well, if you are using the pedal mode on the shock, gotta admit ReActiv works, but will not climb as fast as a Ripley, probably will climb similarly to the Tallboy, but will get less hung up on the front wheel when facing technical climbing, roots in example, because of the HTA.

what size is it?

@bikersedge

3 жыл бұрын

XL. Im 6’2”

100% speedcraft?

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

Bingo. Biggest glasses I could find. Nothing gets past these bad boys.

Great video! Just ordered a Ripley frame. Hope I didnt make the wrong decision

@bikersedge

5 жыл бұрын

Both are pretty impressive bikes in their own way. The Ripley will be amazing on the ups and better than expected on the downs. The Tallboy does fine on the climbs but absolutely likes to party on the downs.

@jkm8089

4 жыл бұрын

What about difference if you add 140 to Ripley? Could be ideal....

@bikersedge

4 жыл бұрын

@@jkm8089 The Tallboy still descends much better than a Ripley even with a 140mm fork. I've tried it.

traslate please!!!!! por que uds los gringos le dan tanta importancia a descender... es un deporte claro, pero ni tanto, pero subir y bajar lo hace mas completo como deporte.. creo que hay dos lugares en el mundo(nórdicos(suecia y suiza) y los andes(chile y argentina)que hace rato buscan la bicicleta ideal, que sea liviana y suba bien sin pedal-bob como una bicicleta rígida y que descienda como una doble suspension de unos 150 de recorrido, para ello creo que en el futuro deben existir bloqueos al manillar que sean realmente funcionales y que dejen a las suspensiones firmes, lo mejor que hay hoy en día es el sistema de scott (twinloc) por ejemplo de la spark trail de 120 de recorrido en ambas suspensiones y que tiene 3 posiciones una bloqueada para esa subidas planas sin raíces y que es lo que mas hay si quieres llegar a los senderos luego un bloqueo intermedio donde puedes subir con jardín de rocas y raíces, mas técnicas y la desbloquea para el descenso, a tu santa cruz tallboy le instalaría el twinloc de scott y seria un sueño tu bicicleta... estas de acuerdo

Who else thought they saw a baby bear just after 8:42 ?

@andrec.136

4 жыл бұрын

@JF It was just a shadow to the left of the trail ahead, but it kind of creeps in.