I think Cory is enjoying Sandy back as much as we are. Welcome back Mr Sandy

Love it how Sandy is about to drop a F bomb at 11:24 after hearing the range. Nice recovery.

@wongman2001

2 жыл бұрын

See? I knew Sandy cuss like sailors!

@TommyJ

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t blame him. 120 miles….. back to the drawing board 😂 but it’s hard to compare to a Tesla

@patreekotime4578

2 жыл бұрын

@@TommyJ BMW claims the range is on purpose... but that is based on customer feedback they got in 2008 on one of their early low production electric minis.

@mikus4242

2 жыл бұрын

@@patreekotime4578 Just crazy!

@Conservator.

2 жыл бұрын

@@TommyJ It’s a luxury car for doing your shopping. It’s a totally different category than any Tesla or even a VW ID3.

I'm dying from laughter at the popping of the "fronk" hood. Absolute Sandy Munro masterclassing! I just had my day made!

@dazdoestip6459

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, made me burst out laughing 😂

@rud

2 жыл бұрын

I made popcorn when I saw he was back to look at this.

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

the MINI "frunk" almost gave SANDY a Heart attack when he saw all those HV cabeling and Coolant loops........LOL.

@andr544

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe carmakers do this just to piss off Sandy haha

@Travlinmo

2 жыл бұрын

Did I hear him nearly drop an F-bomb? ;)

*_Remember Sandy, Mini Cooper is made for delivering GOLD BARS, driving in underground subway tunnels, sewage systems, narrow alleys with steep steps, getting airborne if needs to be, etc..._* _So the drivers aren't going to be too concern about the gaps._

LOVE how Sandy almost dropped and F bomb at 11:24 because of the range and no frunk! 😂

I love Sandy’s honesty!

@cascade5682

2 жыл бұрын

11:28 "You gotta be Fuh... You gotta be kidding me." - - Priceless.

@ken-mb5cp

2 жыл бұрын

Bottom line: POS.

Man, I laughed my ass off, as soon as frunk was opened and the look on Sandy's face!!

I did not know that mini story , it was good to hear about Munro's role in that.

Sandy: I wouldn't have done it that way. Cory: you have not seen the car yet.

Sandy has the perfect balance of engineering expertise and grumpy old man. Cory does a great job but he doesn't have the witty quips like Sandy. It will probably come with age. Solid channel.

@mgmacius

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly you have to be a bit grumpy when you designed things way superior to this 20 years ago and the guys who could just copy your ideas and call them theirs create something inferior just because of stupid pride. I’m only 42 but even when I was in my 20s that was my go to reaction. If I can do it it better why can’t you?

Just like Cory I enjoyed Sandy's reaction at the frunking monstrosity reveal from the 8:12 mark 😂 Thanks for the high quality content as usual guys - Sandy is the ev car analyst 'pa' excellence 😊

@gregbailey45

2 жыл бұрын

Par. Its Latin for "by" or "with". "Pa" is your dad.

@deejay8ch

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregbailey45 and that's a below par take on my play on words 🤦‍♂️

@deejay8ch

2 жыл бұрын

Beneath grandpa as well

@alexdubois6585

2 жыл бұрын

I own a mini SE, I never had looked there. What is it to look for?

Would love to have seen Sandy's reaction in seeing the High Voltage Power Cable routing under the car....that cooked it for me!

@dadman9492

2 жыл бұрын

Great point. Please can we get Sandy to go back and crucify the engineers for that. Do all those that think a mini ‘conversion’ is a good idea, they only need to be shown that. If they still think it’s a good idea, they need their heads checked!!

Great remarks from Sandy Munro as usual. I think this Mini has one great defense. I looks like the ICE mini and not really weird with strange lines, strange headlights and strange blue light bars as most EVs have - it actually looks good all over.

@khitchens7308

2 жыл бұрын

Take a look at this review, where the reviewer actually takes his time to drive it, and see his response. That's where this car really shines, a pleasure to drive. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJt2q6akgZjKYKQ.html

@pictsidhe6471

Жыл бұрын

Everyone is surprised when they find out that mine is electric. It is an ICE mini with an EV powertrain stuffed in wherever it would fit. Next model will be a dedicated EV design, with an ICE shaped body. You need to drive an SE to truly appreciate it. It is perhaps the best 2 seat commuter and city EV car. Not everyone wants to drive a bus. Not everyone does many long trips. Don't forget this is European, where roads are smaller...

Sandy's reaction to the motor, genuinely made me laugh!

_"What do I know, I'm just a piano player..."_ says the GOAT 😂

Sandy’s reactions are priceless!

Many KZread content producers - simply produce sugar coated rubbish. Munro Live is just, "I am going to tell you what I think, and I have no interest if you do not like it." Very refreshing. Honesty is the best policy.

Sandy's expression is priceless! Thank Munro's! Awesome Team!

I would love to hear Sandy's comment on the legendary bad reliability of the mini he worked on.

@waynerussell6401

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpWWpNijf6W-gps.html

@benjacobs2560

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I was wondering. People praised the Mini‘s design and handling but the car was notoriously unreliable. Maybe that’s why those guys were fired…

@affenjunge6287

2 жыл бұрын

yeah same.

@tompatton2086

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjacobs2560 Nailed it. The "good old days" when replacing a clutch cost the owner of the Mini nearly $5000. No exaggeration.

@lm971120

Жыл бұрын

As someone in the UK I am also aware that plastic manifold of the KV6 engine Sandy showed off being an issue on some KV6 equipped cars, esp as they age. Some owners were surprised to learn they even won awards for changing this to the plastic part… (of course they blamed BMW/Rover, so did I, now I know who that genius was…😂). Hopefully they were not the people who advised Rover in cost cutting measures for smaller K series engines, as ‘cost saving measures’ on these essentially caused loads of premature head gaskets failures, trashed the brand(s), and even lawsuit (but Rover went under partly due to this)…

OMG. I nearly missed the 2nd part of this.. Sandy, you're a living legend and historian. Fascinating story of your work on Rover/new Mini integrating design with manufacturing. I didn't know how the final products are intimately intertwined with manufacturing. Thank-you Sandy and all of Munro.

They should have compared the rear backrest with the cousin i3 standing right beside. That also can adjust into two positions, but with a much more elegant solution without that manual adjustment of the latch point.

I can almost understand the Mini not having a frunk because it's an ICE platform converted to EV. No excuse for the VW ID.4 not having a frunk since it was a ground up EV platform.

@agemmm

2 жыл бұрын

If it's an ICE platform that doesn't matter. Audi E-Tron (VW Group) has a frunk, Polestar 2 has a frunk, Volvo XC40 has a frunk, etc.. The PPE platform (Audi/VW Group) will have a frunk (Audi A6 e-tron, Q6 e-tron, Porsche Macan EV and so on) because they will have a longer hood. I don't think you will find an EV small as the Mini with a frunk. Not even in China.

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

Except the iD.4 is BUILT NEW from the GROUND up as a GAS car...........LOL. VW just Shoehorned in a BEV Drivetrain.

@agemmm

2 жыл бұрын

@@markplott4820 Check the ID.3 how long the hood is. That's a real EV that has a huge greenhouse. EVs with a long hood and frunks are just trying to look like ICE vehicles like the Audi E-Tron.

@rolla2035

2 жыл бұрын

ID 4 doesn't have a frunk because the hood is very short. Better visibility and wheels are closer to the edge. They could have done a frunk if they wanted but decided a shorter hood was better. Most people don't use the frunk anyway.

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

@@rolla2035 - NOPE, VW does not understand BEV or electric DRIVETRAIN. the iD.4 was designed to be a GROUND up ICEV that could take gas, Diesel , FCV, and Hybrid Drivetrain. adding BEV Drivetrain was an afterthought. It was shoehorn in to fit in a ICEV car design. this is a FACT, and VW has Admitted it designed iD3 and iD4 as ICEV.

I was hoping Sandy will comment on those power lines that were tied underneath the car.

We love your precious honesty Sandy. Most of us wouldn't watch your videos otherwise.

05:50 „but then, what do I know? I‘m only the piano player.“ 😂

Sandy! I'm buckled in and ready to listen.

Until I started watching Sandy I never heard of panel gaps and never checked for them when buying a new car.

Missed you a LOT 😬 loved your Mini intro, as an ex BWM IT specialist for 7 years and worked between Munich and the South African Rosslyn plant managing projects this episode was a treat 🙌 Making me wish I was back in the motor industry😉

Bought a (used) 2017 i3REx based on Sandy's teardown in 2014. Thankfully it's been dead reliable for 25k miles, and the range extender means ZERO anxiety from the inconsistent public charging network (other than Tesla). 21 gallons of gas was used for 25k miles. Too bad BMW didn't just invest more in the innovative i3.

Welcome back Sandy and we hope you enjoyed your time off 😊

I could sit and listen to Sandy's stories for hours

Ah, his gasp of horror after removing the plastic cover from the engine. Priceless. Never change, Sandy :)

@pictsidhe6471

Жыл бұрын

At that point, he changed mind about he utility of the cover. He was just too shocked to realize it at the time.

Sandy's German impression 😂😂 I love it!

Instead of BMW deleting the i3, I would really love watching Sandy showing them how to double the range, and ESPECIALLY how to divide their shameful price by at least 50%.

Welcome back Sandy, I am sure you were missed by all your fan's. I know I missed your original banter and truly exceptional review critique on the products your team research and disassemble. I have found no other better suited to be doing this kind of work. And I sincerely do hope that your company keeps swimming towards the future and be extremely profitable always. Hope your new place is to your liking and setup the way you want to enjoy living there. Not to worry. Cory showed us some of the other things your company does and showed off your team as best in class for everything they assist with disassembling at your shop. You should be proud of the team you have in place. Thanks Cory for the interim video's . They were informative and fulfilling to watch.

Sandy's gasp at 8:43 conveys so much.

I had equal amounts of anticipation and dread when waiting for Sandy to open that frunk… 🤣

Love your work Sandy! Fascinating also on the history of the mini.

Thanks for another great video. And was fun to hear some of the history too.

Amazing to find out you did the mini reboot! I love that you implied sports car, I'm sure that's what you were designing underneath, the handling was on another level. Who came up with the goofy fan on the power steering? AHH the smell of boiled over coolant...memories. Great job Munro and BMW.

Always interesting.and well presented. Looking forward to your next video..Sandy is well worth following if you intend to upgrade your car or buy a starship for vacation trip.

Thanks for the depth uncle Sandy

8:47 Sandy’s biggest gasp yet!

My first Mini was one of the first off the production line, a 4 year old 1959 Morris Mini made from 26 gauge steel. (Not long after that they used 22 gauge steel which I believe added 25kg to its mass). It was rallied to death 10 years later. My last mini was a 1976 Mini Cooper S with a Downton Rally conversion. Great cars lots of memories before having kids.

I love Sandy's reaction when he looks at engine in the front at 8:46.

When I grow up I hope to be just like Sandy. I am 68 now.

The GOAT is back!

I have seen aftermarket conversions that look cleaner under the hood.

Welcome back Sandy!!

Sandy's reaction was priceless!

Best review ever! VW team will love the 2nd part 🤣

I owned one of the original Minis. Replaced a clutch. Had to undo four bolts and some wire type connections from the firewall; picked up the front fenders with a friend and walked the car off of the engine and transmission to expose all of the power train laying on the ground with the front wheels. It got about 30 miles to the Imperial gallon, which I never considered enough for a car that small, but it was fun to drive and got attention even then.

@LondonSteveLee

2 жыл бұрын

Can do a Mini clutch without removing the engine - the two 7/16th bottom engine mounts are the only difficult bit.

Wow. Sandy is so good he can look at panel gaps and tell if it's gonna rain or not. Very impressive.

Thanks for making me feel nearly your age Sandy! I worked with Alec Issigonis in "The Longbridge" ... Where the doors were fitted with a "Birmingham Screwdriver", know as a bloody big hammer to you and I. I'm still right behind you, following avidly, from Belarus. 👌👌

The mechanical layout of the Mini screams “ICE car conversion”. No electric skateboard platform, original Leaf sort of range. Cute, but practical only as a spunky second car commute platform, for someone who has a 240 volt charger and a garage to charge it in every day.

@liamog

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what it is, at the end of the day this is a 2014 Petrol car which has been adapted with the drivetrain from the I3. Rumours are that the next Mini Hatch will share a platform with Ora Cat which is a dedicated EV platform

@TheKdcool

2 жыл бұрын

With that low of a range 120 volt can be sufficient

@eddiegardner8232

2 жыл бұрын

Off a 110/120 volt circuit, you are looking at a peak input to the car of around 4 miles per charge hour, around 1.5 net kilowatts. That’s around 40 miles a day, with not a whole lot of buffer cushion for other use of the car besides a round trip to work. For some shorter commutes that might work, but not for longer ones. If you double the voltage you quadruple that to 16 miles per hour, enough to guarantee a full charge the next day starting at any level of charge, even with some heating losses in winter. *I* would consider a 220/240@30 amps, or around 6 Kw a minimum if the car is an every day, must be ready, commuter. Your mileage may vary.

@mark48430

2 жыл бұрын

I saw the prototype E-Mini several years ago at the Detroit Auto Show. It was also an ICE car with a battery. They haven't changed anything.

@patreekotime4578

2 жыл бұрын

The problem isnt so much that. The problem is it was done in a lazy way with poor benchmarks and poor performance targets. This is also like the 3rd or 4th generation of electric mini. They should know how to do it elegantly by now. But they have even lower performance targets that the 2008 version. (Which ommited the rear seats entirely to gain 156 miles of range). People forget the Kia eNiro is also an ICE conversion and its also one of the most efficient EVs on the road and highly regarded as a GREAT EV. And even though its a few years old now, its so much better than this supposedly new Mini. 🤷

“120! You gotta be fuc… um, kidding me!” Tell us how you really feel, Sandy!

There’s a lot of us original bmw mini owners and enthusiasts who’d love to hear more about all the innovations and so on you did to it!

The WLTP range is around 230 km, or around 143 miles. I think especially these smaller cars are best built up on a fully electric platform to allow for maximum battery capacity.

@terrysullivan1992

2 жыл бұрын

And WLTP is always inflated, so the 120 miles is probably being generous.

@Ben.Royals

2 жыл бұрын

@@terrysullivan1992 Not on the Mini people have been able to get up to 170 miles on a charge.

The look on Sandy's face when the hood came up.... Priceless.. Again we see that the majority of the ICE manufacturers just aren't doing well designing EVs.

Thank you!

@MunroLive

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

I was Never a Mini Cooper fan, never had a second look all these years, until sandys review. Beautiful car , looks very classic and the red is stunning

@JohnnyZenith

2 жыл бұрын

I sold my geb 3 JCW 3 years ago. Had the HUD, and boosted to 290bhp (not my thing but my friend did it for me). Amazing car but the whole line is in dire need of a Gen 4. Mini delayed it till 2023.

That's Sandy for ya, can even predict the weather from looking looking at panel-gaps

Welcome back Sandy! Laughed my ass off!

priceless as always

SANDY'S BACK! Lol, not kidding & with a BANG! love it, truly do.

That Rover K-series KV6 manifold is infamous. I've got a spare one in a shed for my current low mileage Rover 75 because the vanes are known to break off regularly, broke off on my old Rover and made a sound like a death rattle. The VIS motors are a disaster too. Others without access to a spare manifold had to try to fish out and remove the vanes if they weren't ingested. Please don't tell me you designed the all plastic Thermostat housing for the KV6 too because I've had loads of problems with that too where it just splits like two halves of an orange.

@joakimrehn1544

2 жыл бұрын

Hate the K V6, did a timing belt job on a friends 75 once, took days. Them nasty little extra belts between the cams... grrr

@soundworks52

2 жыл бұрын

@@joakimrehn1544 I love the KV6 but between the cost of a belt replacement by someone who knows what they are doing with the right tools, the poor fuel consumption, fragile thermostat and abomination of a manifold they really test ones limits. A straight six is just an easier engine to engineer/plumb and from which to dissipate heat.

@carsonj1

2 жыл бұрын

Sandy is a big believer in large monolithic plastic components that replace a large number of other smaller components, many made of metal. The problem is these plastic monstrosities cannot be repaired and five years after the car is removed from sale the parts are no long made. So as in the case of your manifold, if the design is fundamentally flawed and short lived even the spares from wreckers are compromised. How do you keep these cars on the road long term? The answer accordingly to Sandy, “Who cares” “Not the manufacturers problem”

@soundworks52

2 жыл бұрын

@@carsonj1 I'm sick of plastic. It just goes brittle in a couple of years and breaks. It goes brittle even if not exposed to heat, cold, oil based contamination or UV light. The Environmentalists talk about plastic remaining in the sea for millions of years yet I see it disintegrating before my eyes.

@ruigoncalves2

2 жыл бұрын

@@carsonj1 yup. I’m just a new subscriber and I noticed this guy’s view on engineering is “build it cheap and fast and make it sell” and by that he seems to encourage this “just snap and glue things together at all costs”. Over bolts and easily maintainable parts. if you ever worked on a Japanese car or motorcycle you will understand it. It was designed to be easily worked on.

The reason for the two position rear truck tray is obviously to increase the space statistics for magazine comparisons. probably an extra 30 litres on the figures.

Watched this 10 times..love the German!

Welcome back, Sandy!

Gotta love Sandy's non-verbals as he thinks what to say about the stuff in the frunk.

I was waiting for Sandy to pass out like he did with the Ford. Lol that mini is a total mess. I was hoping they did better. I had a BMW a while back and drove a mini years ago. I wanted to see something better for at least think about getting that for the lady as a commuter. Never mind we are going to stick with the model Y and the Cybertruck.. thanks guys for all the great videos as always ten thumbs up 👍🏼

Sandy on I3: "...a leap into the future..." It would be interesting to see if Monro addressed the cost competitiveness of the carbon fiber construction VS. steel+aluminum. He complains about a few extras screws, what happens if the entire passenger compartment construction fails on cost benchmarking?

I loved my 2003 Mini Cooper S, and miss it -- thanks Sandy! Finally died, and mow I have a Model 3MR -- I love it too.

I can't stop laughing, "we can just put that lid back" priceless, 16:15 go Sandy go. Just can't stop laughing.

Wow. The secret is out. You guys know what you're talking about. You would be surprised at how many people like this content.

I don’t know if Sandy is aware that the SE is manufactured in Oxford on the same production line with the ICE versions, so EV components under the hood make sense for efficiency of manufacturing. It could be that BMW’s EV Mini plant being planned for China will build a ground-up designed EV. I’m not sure if that has been verified yet, though. The Mini SE is targeted for city dwellers and for people looking for a sporty EV that might be a second car in their household, with larger cars used for road trips. In the US, after the $7,500 tax credit, it is among the cheapest EV alternatives in the market right now if you buy the lowest trim. For people who don’t care about the lack of a frunk, or where the EV components have been stuffed, it’s at good value.

@motorv8N

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly - instead of all the frothing, foaming and stammering Sandy, how about a considered discussion of what could have been done differently considering the how, why and where it’s being built. I’ve enjoyed all of his reviews immensely except for this one. Likely because I was considering buying the car and was really interested in some useful content. Ah well, bought one anyway and we’re enjoying it hugely. Perfectly suits the mission of a 60-100km/day commute plus errands in an attractive package that is fun to toss about a bit, scoots pretty well, and best of all, doesn’t cost a fortune, look like a spaceship or both. I’m just hoping enough of the unreliable crap BMW seems to specialize in these days has been replaced with simpler more reliable hardware...

Ps great to have u back …..good times

I _love_ the styling on the i3. It looks so futuristic!

Seems like a pretty sensible conversion of the ICE mini to one with an Electric Drivetrain. It's an iconic brand with 11,000 built up until July 2020 and 3000 sold in the UK.

@altonriggs2352

2 жыл бұрын

Range is embarrassing.

@pambritz3166

2 жыл бұрын

@@altonriggs2352 Range is perfect for a city dweller.

@jayhawkeyes

2 жыл бұрын

It's perfectly sensible. These electric Minis sell for 20K in the US.

@TundishSkul

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayhawkeyes it’s actually 30-40k in the states.

@GreenvilleGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@TundishSkul with a $7,500 federal tax credit, it’s 23 to 30.

Just bought a copy of the i3 report for a family member who recently acquired an i3 - bargain!! He is a retired engineer and I think (hope) he'll enjoy reading some of it.

Another great video.

2014 owner here. Yes crazy looking car. Still my (mostly) daily driver... Along with a model Y.

11:25 Sandy being very diplomatic lmao. You gotta be fah, you gotta be kidding me.

For all the criticism, this car is J.D. Power highest-ranking mass market BEV for a second consecutive year (2023 & 2024)

The master is back throwing rocks.

honest opinions from Mr Munro, always refreshing to watch. Look forward to the sweary real from this one. I may be wrong, but I think this is the only video in the miniEV series that asked for subscribers?

You doing right Sandy, if it is not good, it is not good, no matter who done it.

Another great video!!!

Good to finaly hear your opinion on the i3. I have one (and for a electric car I like it) and recently purchased the report to support and out of curiocity. As an product owner of cameras I'm not sure if it will be too relavant for me...

Loved to hear you talking about the i3! A great car gone bad. The mini se is just made of leftover i3 parts. A real disappointment from bmw. Were you involved in the R56 development too or Italdesign did everything?

To me it looks like the electric drive train is designed to substitute an ICE one at the latest possible moment on the production line. That way they can roll-up a mostly completed shell and then push up and fasten the mostly completed type of drive train as required. Isn't that what they were going for here Sandy? But yeah, as he said in the Kia, it's a wasted opportunity for a car and the volume inside, they should have been a little more inventive.

Corey struggling to keep Sandy on schedule hahaha. Just let him speak, I could continue watching for hours on end.

Fascinating information. I had no idea Munro were involved with the BMW Mini.

We welcome you back, our wise Piano Player😁

Reading the article on the R50 (MINI) which you zoomed in on (with the "Munro Magic" breakout box) - it followed the classic BMW "English Patient" story to a T. How BMW "cut its losses" and dumped Rover after they were bleeding it dry - not before selling Land Rover for $3.8 billion after only paying about $200 million for the whole outfit. And the write-downs (massive loans) BMW forced Rover to take on were used as an excuse to cut their losses - but what were those loans for? Hamms hall engine plant (BMW kept it), the development of MINI (BMW kept it), the new factory in Cowley (BMW kept it). BMW also kept all the various British Marque trademarks and the rights to all Rover power-trains which the Phoenix group had to pay through the nose to use. Of course another massive write-down was project R30 - the replacement for Rover 25/45, this was a leading edge small/mid sized car platform design for front, rear or four wheel-drive configurations off a single floorpan. BMW took all of that development for the (production ready) project - every scrap of design - which became the Mk2 BMW MINI and the 2nd generation BMW 1 Series. BMW went from a company with a limited product range which the analysts were really worried about to a company with a toe in every market and a healthy cash balance. Rover having entering the BMW-era with a vehicle in every category and BMW with three box saloons x3, Rover were dumped with nothing but the Rover 75, the Rover 100 and two ageing Honda Civic based cars - the replacement for which had been taken by BMW - oh and the MG TF! Trying in a hurry (with TWR) to build a replacement for R30 is what bankrupted Rover. BMW now had front wheel drive hatchbacks with a legendry marque, decent 4x4 range and their traditional 3 box saloons. The fact that the Mk1 BMW mini was fitted with a (rubbish) Chrysler engine proved that BMW had no intention of staying with Rover all along - they wanted MINI and this legendary company (Rover) was asset-stripped and thrown to the wolves. Shame on any Brit who buys a BMW.

Re: gas cover fitting....Trained eyes both noticed it right away.....Heck my aunt Gertrude would have picked that out right away!

So happy with this reaction video

Way to go buddy!

"Corey's staring at me which means that i should ask for subscribers". hahaha. love the honesty.

I love the formal apology to VW 😂