I'm double checking the platinum electroplating claim as I have received conflicting information. I'll update the video description with the answer as soon as I can.

@maxfaberg128

11 ай бұрын

Any new info?

@YouTube_is_full_of_trolls

2 ай бұрын

I forgot about this watch, but according to their website, 5% of the case is made of steel for "sturdyness" I'd assume that's why the bezel action is good.

Both grade 5 and grade 2 are alloys of Ti. However Grade 5 has more other metals added, these have different atom size and disrupt slip plane movement (atoms sliding over each other). So Grade 5 has twice the Young's modulus (strength) but harder to work on (expensive to machine). I suspect Grade 2 was used when costs became too high for a piece that didn't need the extra strength. Steel would have been used for the internals of the clasp springs due to steel being more elastic and way cheaper to put in than try to source/tool up for these tiny parts. Omega produce 100% full grade 5 watches, for a cost. Titanium is great for anyone with allergies/sensitive skin, the sacrificial oxide layer is very inert and almost instant in creation when scratched. You are never actually touching Titanium, but it's oxide. Titanium has been used for medical implants for years. Love it and probably get one.

@erikknudsen2971

Жыл бұрын

Young's modulus is not strength (the modulus is akin to the stiffness of the material not the stress which causes failure). In general the modulus of Ti is around 16 million psi. The extra strength that the grade 5 Ti gives a watch is likely not a major benefit for a watch in my opinion. Ti is likely used because of it's outstanding corrosion resistance and the Grade 2 actually has better corrosion resistance (but not by a whole lot) and Ti alloys are very light. Indeed Ti alloys are harder to machine vs steel. That's one of the tradeoffs for sure.

@tombryan1

Жыл бұрын

Grade 5 is used when radium corrosion is an issue, usually on our sheathing isolation sleeves that we use to drill for oil in the polar ice caps

@jinxUKBK

Жыл бұрын

Oh thanks for explaining what the video explains already

@TillSwims

6 ай бұрын

Grade 2 is best for watches and your skin

Vanadium is used to strengthen steel. Spanners and tools are usually Chrome Vanadium.

Oh how I've been waiting for this!

Very cool video Gary... I actually heard on the grapevine, the electro plating might be Kryptonite.😉😁 Seriously though, being more scratch proof than steel is a big plus as my old Seiko titanium diver with diashield got scratched to bits from coral and pebbles.

They are both beautiful, but I actually prefer the second watch which I believe is a Seamaster Railmaster Homage. Great reviews as always.

My Dad used to tell me to always purchase tools made from Chrome Vanadium.

I have a Zelos diver in Titanium. That also looks very like stainless steel at first glance although the case back is more grey

This looks good bit to chunky for me but my biggest concern is the wear on titanium watches I have read various different things about chips and scratches are far easier to come by.great video Gary very informative 👍

I think possibly the reason for grade 5 and grade 2 with the case back is to prevent the case back from fusing to the case , I have a SD 43 and a Deepsea and both use titanium case back for that reason

Ive noticed san martin has been skimping on the bracelet links as of late. The ranger homage had a short bracelet as well. I had to hunt down two links in order for the bracelet to fit.

I looked up what the TC4 stands for on the dial. It's a type of titanium that used in automotive fasteners

Lovely watch and a great review.Most spanners, socket sets and wrenches are made from Vanadium. All the best 👍🏾🇬🇧

As an avid San Martin fan, I'm hoping they extend Titanium versions to some of their other dive watches, particularly the SN004. I just purchased an Octopus Oct-10 (Pelagos homage)in Titanium (my 1st), and I love the lightness of it on my wrist. At the same time I purchased a San Martin SN0121, and as much as i truly love it, and despite the excellent on-the-fly adjustable clasp, which I also love, I find myself slapping the Octo on my wrist more times than not. So, come on San Martin, GET BUSY! Thanks for the great review, Gary.

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

I hope they do too! Titanium watches appear to be very popular at the moment I think thanks in part to Tudor and now Rolex. I'm hoping more AliExpress brands will start using Titanium on more of their watches.

@vondahe

7 ай бұрын

I also just bought the SN0121T-GA and I really love that watch, although I had to get used to the weight, coming from almost 50 years of stainless steel watches. The bracelet is a wee bit flimsy/rattly but the on-the-fly adjustment is brilliant.

titanium watches are 🔥 thanks ILW for the review!

Great review! I absolutely love Titanium! It is my favorite watch material. I purchased this watch and amazingly the FedEx driver just pulled up and delivered it as I'm writing this. How crazy is that! At first glance it looks fantastic! I'll have to check it out more thoroughly but at the moment I am extremely happy with my purchase.

I only have a single San Martin watch, Im also a huge fan of the brand. Looking at their product as a hawk.

Vanadium is a component of "restaurant" grade stainless steal. It often replaces chromium in the alloy, although saucepans usually have some chromium and increased nickel content to be more resistant to acidic foods. Vanadium steel is also tougher and more wear resistant than chromium steel. Vanadium is often a component of the better quality stainless steel kitchen knives. Vanadium stabilizes the beta form of titanium and increases its strength and temperature stability. Grade 5 is probably more appropriate for high speed tools or surgical items, but it's nice to know that San Martin went for a 'better" grade of titanium rather than a purer form which would likely be more prone to scratches nd scuffs. Usually stainless is 90% steel 5% nickel and 5% vanadium or chromium.

Thanks for the review with all the details. Look just as good or better than my Rolex Submariner. I was wondering if this was a good watch to consider for my collection. Thanks for spending the time to review this watch. Best Regards.

Chrome Vanadium spanner’s were all the rage in the 50’s & 60’s

Wow!! I think the star of the show was supposed to be the titanium watch and it is a beautiful diver but what caught my attention was the vintage looking watch in the last few minutes. Very classy looking.

@RobKristjansson

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you, Mr G!

@c0mmanderd0g17

Жыл бұрын

That watch is an homage to an Omega Railmaster 1957

@BosunM8James

Жыл бұрын

@@c0mmanderd0g17 Thanks for that insight. I had no idea but I'm going to look it up now.

2:43 that SN0107-G4 green enamel ❤❤❤

Vanadium is often used with chrome to make steel for tools

👍🖖 thank you and good luck in the future.

it seems that they built it very well

This is a nice watch and can’t find any problem🎉

Wonderful watch, I honestly think San Martín are up to standard as a Tissot .

All the quartz haters finally get to watch Garry without the constant ticking of the Mondaine's second hand in the background.

@djzrobzombie2813

Жыл бұрын

A had a automatic watch is was a pain in the butt 😂

@PocketUau

Жыл бұрын

​@@djzrobzombie2813I really like quartz watches, so long as the seconds hand aligns with the markers and doesn't bounce around. A perfect tick is appreciated, but so is a high beat movement.

Same as the famous Swiss brand, SM uses Ti5 in this model, a Ti alloy with Aluminium. That is why it is lighter that the commonly used Ti2- a purer but softer form of Titanium

That second watch is a darn nice homage to Omega's Railmaster(?), one of my favorite Omegas. SOLD. Titanium can't compete with that one.

@AlexanderB.

Жыл бұрын

It's an homage of the Railmaster 57 from the 57 Trilogy released by Omega in 2017.

378 for an all titanium watch, is a pretty killer deal to me

Have a look at the spanners in your shed. I bet they say they're chrome vanadium and thus you have heard of vanadium. Titanium watches are right in my wheelhouse and this one looks very good. Will it beat my Ti Zelos Swordfish though? That is the question.

I hope the diver comes in colors!

Can you do a review on the San Martin SN015G-GMT V2? Some people leave comments that the bezel is very hard to turn. Not sure if it's a good watch to buy. Your review would be greatly appreciated

i have one on order!! Amazing

I like Titanium watches but am not a fan of the PT5000. If you choose the Sellita movement then you are in the same price bracket as the Steinhart Ocean 39 GMT Titan premium Ceramic with an SW330-2 movement and its a Swiss watch. OK the Steinhart is not a Rolex Submariner "homage" but is a great watch. I am not knocking San Martin, I have 2 and they are excellent value and real quality for the price. It will be interesting to see if they offer the NH35 movement at some point to bring down the price. My San Martin SN 0008 with NH 35 is accurate to less than 2 seconds a day.

What about the sharpness of the bracelet and the lower edges of the case? Is everything the same as on the steel version?

Thanks for the review, mine should arrive today! Question: Are you sure about the platinum coating? I know that would explain how it looks so close to stainless, but on the Watchuseek forum, a San Martin rep said they ultimately decided to NOT apply the coating. Did they give you different information?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was but I have changed the title and I have asked them for clarification...I'll update the video description when I know

@jrh954

Жыл бұрын

...note this was after they posted the comparison video you linked to, asking for opinions. The vast majority of responses said to keep the original titanium color, and it looks like San Martin decided to go with that.

great Vid, Gary! Question: What camera do you use for macro-shots?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

I use my iPhone 12

Doed the san martin titanium have a ghost date position in the pt5000?

These San martin cases and bracelets are the ducks fucking nuts. Look at the fitment, sheesh

I really like the Omega homage. Even though the dive watch is beautifully made, I am tired of 'Sub' homages (and clones) and at $500 (with the SW200) is starting to put it in a territory of a lot of actual heritage brands.

That stopped clock gives an ominous feeling to the video. Clocks often stop in horror films before something bad happens. I don't like it. I would consider buying the second watch if it had a sterile dial. It's nicely proportioned but I find the logo distracting.

Titanium is just great for people who love bracelets. I have most of my SS bracelets swapped out for straps just to reduce the weight. One question: Is the crystal slightly domed?

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

Yes

I think you’ll find that many expensive Swiss watches use grade 2 (Omega Seamaster 007). You can’t polish it up to a shine whereas it’s possible to polish grade 5.

When can we expect the Tudor BB 54 homage?

My Tudor Pelagos 39 is made entirely with grade 2 titanium. To my understanding, most grade 2 titanium is less scratch resistant than stainless steel because it is a softer metal. Grade 5 titanium on the other hand is more scratch resistant than stainless steel. Not sure why Tudor used grade 2 when the watch cost $4500.

Man I wish the sandwich dial shown was available in 42MM Sword hands and w/SW200. I'd even settle for 40mm. Oh well 😔😔😔 Sux having almost 8.5" wrist (21-22cm).

They use grade 2 for the caseback because grade 5 would be too hard to machine the coin edge into the case back. And since they wanted to make the watch head and bracelet as resistant as possible they choose grade 5 for those. Problem with grade 5 is that it looks very dull and plain, you won't really get it to shine well that's why Tudor uses Grade 2 even for the case. But SM found a workaround to the dullness of grade 5 by electroplating it with a shiney metal.

A lot of spanners are made of chrone vanadium, Gary.

Spearman, the Railmaster Homage in the SN0113, do you think the polished side links on the bracelet are quite prone to scratching? Wonder if they will make a full brushed bracelet? Do you think the Railmaster SN0113 is a nicer watch than the SN0020 Explorer design?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the SN0020. I do t think the sides of the bracelet are that prone to scratching…top surface will no more so I think

Corundom 50 micron crystals or higher grinds along with pulverized diamond mineral suspended in a light oil such as jelled petroleum oil polishes to a high sheen, as much as 10 RA

Maybe the caseback is Grade 2 because the back of your wrist is unlikely to scratch it?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

Not sure but grade 2 scratches more easily...

I don't know...i feel titanium is softer than steel. I have a titanium watch that slipped off the spring bar while wearing it and fell to the ground from waist height. The case has a few dings now and I suspect a steel watch would have been just fine...seen that with my older Casio Edifice. It's a dull grey color so I guess its grade 2. The watch is a Hook+Gaff Sportfisher MP2.

Is the rehaut shorter than the original sn0111?

Titanium is currently fashionable, in the same way bronze watches were a few tears ago.

Also, your wall clock is dead😆

I've just bought the SN0121G (Pelagos homage) That is the watch they should have done in titanium. I suppose they will at some point? Titanium is way more comfortable to wear than steel. The NH35 in the SN0121 is as accurate as my Swiss watch with an SW300-1, so they could use that to reduce the price. I wouldn't trust the PT-500 movement personally though, too many horror stories.

Platinum plated titanium!?!? SM is nuts man

Just wish they would have lumed the entire bezel. I think initial videos showed this for the prototype...... what a miss!

I would like to see a James Cameron color way. Green Blue Sea Dweller.

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

Then go look at Cronos. They have this colour dial on a couple of their watches and they are fantastic! I own them both.

Why is there a helium valve tho??? Ruins it for me

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

Does seem a little unnecessary but I like it.

Is there a reason the lume of the hands is always off compared to the indexes's one when it is faux-patina color

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

Faux Latino does affect the lume

@guillaumeb.3861

Жыл бұрын

@@ilikewatches Not to nitpick but then why it doesn't affect the lume the same way on the hands and the indexes ? Does it has to do with the amount of lume applied ?

Sooooo what is your favorite San Martin model so far amongst all of the ones you have tried?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

SN0004 v3 it’s outstanding

I'd be amazed if they plated the Ti with platinum! Check the cost of a platinum Rolex! Perhaps they call their coating process "platinum"; a bit like a platinum Visa card which every second person seems to have these days.

Really like the titanium diver. Not a fan of homage watches, but being that it's constructed of a material not offered by the O.G. brand (of corresponding model), it gets a pass from me. Price is a bit steep mind you, given the lack of R&D overheads lol😅

I thought Ti was softer then 316 steel. I've noticed my Ti watches scratch easily.

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

Steel is very easy to scratch. Every time I use my plastic calipers to measure the case width, I scratch up the steel.

I have a question. Should I keep my automatic watches in an automatic watch winder?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

nah, just wind them every couple of months if you don't wear them

@danniejones2032

Жыл бұрын

@@ilikewatches thanks for the information. Thank you for your channel it helps me find affordable, good looking time pieces for my low-budget watch collecting fetesh.

SW all the way

Was hoping san Martin would go original while they were at it

Is it platinum plated. They were talking about using this on the forum.

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

apparently so, this is why it's so light in colour

What does the TC4 on the dial stand for?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

It’s an abbreviated term for grade 5 titanium

When will be next AliExpress Sale?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

12th June

Damn, they are sold out

Once you go titanium, you don't go back 😀

Matte finish bezel please. Glossy looks cheap

OK, the watch is quite beautiful. But where's the benefit of electroplated titanium that looks like stainless steel over actual stainless steel? I don't get it. I don't think I need it.

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

Some people want the light weight of Titanium but the look of stainless steel. The best of both worlds.

@woozertoo

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, we really don’t *need* any of these antiquated pieces of metal serving as obsolete timekeeping technology on our wrists 😊

@AlexanderB.

Жыл бұрын

@@sinjinadams2862 Personally, I like my watches with a bit of heft and no rattle.

Welcome teeeeeeacherr

at this price you can buy a HELM Vanuatu titanium, (but you will have to wait 18 months) or for little bit more you can have citizen NB6021-68L

So now their watches are made of steal and titanium at the same time. That's innovation!

I don't get it, if Titanium is easier to scratch than SS, then why is it difficult to finish? Shouldn't it be easier because essentially you're making micro scratches on the surface of the metal?

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

its 5 times more scratch resistant

@tomholloway7566

Жыл бұрын

As Gary said, it is more scratch resistant. Finishing whether for a brushed or polished is scratching it with various grades of abrasive material

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

It’s hard to scratch which means it’s harder to remove layers of the material which in turn means it’s hard to give it a brushed or polished finish…

@djzrobzombie2813

Жыл бұрын

Not citizens super titanium

@RenghisKhan

Жыл бұрын

I've seen a girl saw through a titanium tube once to make a ring. It was about 20mm in diameter and had a wall thickness of about 0.8mm. It took her 2.5 hours and eighteen saw blades. None of them broke, they just wore out.

Grade 5 can do basic algebra, grade 2 cannot

@ilikewatches

Жыл бұрын

Lol…brilliant

Looks great - hides wallet...

It's missing snowflake hands

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

It's not a Tudor homage. It's a Rolex.

SNO111 is an awesome concept, but the one I just received has a misaligned bezel...aaargh!!

nice watch but................ i must admit i'm kinda tired of that design ............ i think every watch manufacturer has this design?

@jrh954

Жыл бұрын

Not in titanium they don't. That's why I bought mine (can't wear SS as I'm allergic to chrome)

@Rev.DavidJTowns

Жыл бұрын

@@jrh954 i can appreciate that, however as a dial its been done to death -- but that is just my opinion

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

It has been done to death but as already stated, not in Titanium. That's also why I bought this watch.

I wont buy anymore those great watches unless they understand the huge mistake they make with their clasps. I have an old one with oyster like clasp, barcelet tapered down to 15mm as rolex does. Their new style bracelets kill the overall aspect of the watch on your wrist and looks ugly. Thats just too nad they dont get this

2nd!! :) 🤣🤣🤣

what's with the tiny 38mm watches lately? Are they making unisex watches now? more 42mm please!

@thegorn

11 ай бұрын

38mm isn’t tiny. Watches mid century were around 34mm. For a watch without rotating bezel, 38mm is near perfect.

@rickhammel9541

11 ай бұрын

@@thegorn mid century? that's what your basing your style on? get some wrist presence going. Do you ride a penny farthing too?

Can we say 'sea-dweller' in the comments?

No date and their QC is also worthless. I'll pass.

@sinjinadams2862

Жыл бұрын

I would disagree with that assessment and I love no date Submariners.

@MrKacperk

Жыл бұрын

@@sinjinadams2862 I suggest you read some reviews. San Martin is having a lot of QC issues recently.

I really wish they wouldn't use a Mercedes hand it makes it look like a fake watch .

@juniorjohnson5961

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the script to the logo also.

san martin makes great watches but they always lose me with that awful "san martin" badge...looks like a 5 yr old designed it. id be a buyer if they kept the old san martin script.

Rolex omega rip offs

Let's be honest, quality and material's aside, its a boring watch 🫢

Regarding scratches, I think there is a lot of misinformation regarding how steel and titanium compare. Nearly every site I found when I searched "is titanium more scratch resistant than steel" said that it isn't and that titanium is more prone to scratching. Perhaps that is why many companies are treating their titanium watch models with coatings to help prevent scratching. Here's the verbiage from just one site, but they all seem to be in agreement. "We’ll go through the characteristics of each alloy one by one in the sections below. However, on average, titanium has similar strength properties to stainless steel but weighs about 40% less, is non-magnetic, and is more heat-resistant. Its cold working expenses are significantly greater than those of stainless steel, and is also more prone to scratches." According to what I've learned it is that cold working that causes titanium to add to the cost, well above stainless steel even in very similar models. Titanium lessens the life of saws, drills and other mechanical devices and that cost needs to be recouped somehow, hence you pay more for titanium watches. Source: Instagram

@frankdirscherl2345

Жыл бұрын

You're not scratching the Titanium, you're actually scratching the oxide it exudes, and that's easily fixable. Lot of misinformation out there.