I think some of the advices given in this discussion can work for bissexual people, but they are not going to work for people who only have attraction to the same sex. Some mental "training" to avoid same sex attraction lead to a bureaucratic relationship, mechanical affection which is far from genuine attraction and love. That´s why I am more for true love , no matter if it is for the opposite gender or same gender. Just love. God cares about love. Religious people interpretation of the bible is what makes same sex attraction something broken, bad, unnatural, ugly and ungodly.

So incredibly verily truly ecstatically excited that this episode and conversation has finally been had! So great duo for you guys!

I'm female and a P.K. I don't think the question is whether it's wrong or right. Hetersexual relationships are not automatically right, it can be abusive and degrading. Human beings are more complex than accounted for. There is subliminal attraction between close blood relatives at some point. Latent or denied, there is visible attraction within the sexes on a regular basis. It is time to talk about what IS. Certainly God is equal to that, if the church isn't. Honestly, I think this is something you have to come to your own conviction about. And head toward likeminded fellowship. Because the scant scriptural references involve varying interpretations. Whereas if it were an essential caveat to salvation, it would be one of the commandments or so. I have my own journey with it. But it is ok if we all end up in different places. You yourself might feel very different ways about it at different points. But if you focus on journeying with God in every aspect of your private life, you will develop an equilibrium and a peace. Over time an authentic sense of the way forward. Not just bombarded with more easy answers. I came to neither a secular conclusion nor a puritanical one.

Greetings from a youth leader in Colombia! 🇨🇴👍🏻 Thanks for sharing this kind of videos...

You hit so much right on spot for me. I can’t disagree with anything you have shared here. Thank you so much for taking time to have this conversation. I’m right in the midst of all this….married, kids, continued same sex attraction and my wife and i are not connected on a deeper level. It’s painful. She always wants to fix me and has said that if i cannot look at her with sexual desire then we cannot stay married. I don’t know what to do. I don’t want to run off and join the pride parade or marry a man, that will never be what i want, but she tends to think i do. It’s not. But since we cannot connect and she has a very dominate personality, we are probably not going to continue our marriage, sadly.

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

8 ай бұрын

You got married to woman and your gay? You lied to her and now you feel guilty about it. So you should. Lying in relationships to stay in the closet is one of the most selfish things you can do. Hope she leaves you.

@tom-kz9pb

8 ай бұрын

​@@Rage_Harder_Then_RelaxHeterosexual marriage is what Christians and conservatives think is obligatory for everyone, but if a gay man marries a woman, they think it is horrible. If a gay man marries a man, they think it is horrible. The only real way to satisfy them is to stop being gay, which is likely impossible, A lot of gay men marry because they cannot admit to themselves that they are gay. They often have lied to themselves, not to their wives. If false shame had not been inflicted on gay men, this would not happen. I once asked a gay man who had married a woman, how he could possibly have not known that he was gay. He said, "The power of denial is very strong." It is bad form to rush to judgment without knowing the circumstances.

@alanthompson1949

7 ай бұрын

🙏🙏🙏 for your marriage. To much propaganda that you’ll hook up with a man and be happy ever after. My neighbor man in the 70’s left his wife for another man. He dumped him and died alone. His wife died as a widow to someone else

Excellent video. Being someone who is a saved Christian with SSA, my #1 fear of sharing is rejection even within the Church community. Why does the Church (generalized term) treat sin as one being worse than another when all sin is equal? This has always bothered me... Thank you...

@rickwalker6400

9 ай бұрын

I'm gay I always have been. I was never sexually abused. So I don't believe its a sin at all. I also am not a Christian. I Blv in god but not the one described in the Bible. I guess its because I was raised to accept myself.

@rickwalker6400

9 ай бұрын

As long as I was/am a decent person. I just don't understand this HORROR that you're children might be gay. So I hope you can understand.

@millenniumman75

9 ай бұрын

@@rickwalker6400 - John 3:16

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

8 ай бұрын

@@millenniumman75 Means nothing

@millenniumman75

8 ай бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax - Read it again.

I like that this is coming from a place of love but I see the bias. Why would a gay man go to a church (even one that seems to accept him as a fellow human being) that considers him as sexually broken?

I would like to have some resources, therapy or discussion. I am married with a kid. This discussion rings my bell... I wish it didn't, but it does. I have wanted to seek help and offload for years. The problem is that I am afraid to seek help because there are so many progressive ideologies, I am afraid that they will bekon me further into it rather than helping me reconcile with my struggles in a Biblical way.

@PureDesireMinistries

3 жыл бұрын

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@fishmurse

3 жыл бұрын

@@PureDesireMinistries thank you

@tom-kz9pb

8 ай бұрын

Maybe you should read some criticisms of the Bible and consider the possibility that its reputation is mythological, that it is not magical or "God-inspired". Superstitions of Christians are in no way superior to superstitions of ancient Romans, Greeks, Mayans or Inca.

Sometimes when your wife or husband leaves you for the same sex, it is because sometimes you have not been as nurturing as you may think. Do you think that men and women who are attracted to each other are broken? I hope in your pretty little heads, you are not equating sexual promiscuity with genuine love. If that is the case, then heterosexual people are in the same boat as homosexual people. You in the Checkered shirt, are truly anti-gay, yet, looking at you, I'm not convinced that you are str8. But obviously, this is what you are presenting. Why does it have to be either or? Let nature take its course. Be free to love whomever you choose as your partner. And please do not tell me about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah because that is not about sex. My first sexual experience was with a female. I was 6 she was 12. I went back for more and she did not want to do it again. She is married to an old friend, I'm still attracted to men. I think you guys are putting too much strain and energy into something that will not exist in heaven. You need to live and let live. If you say I do, You should mean that and stick with it through thick and thin.

Thank you ! God bless you

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

8 ай бұрын

For what? LOL Just because you're delusional doesn't mean the rest of society have to be. Just like these thick heads who run this channel LOL>

You guys put guilt and shame back into my life. How can God be so cruel 😢

@millenniumman75

9 ай бұрын

I Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous2 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,3 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And *such were some of you* . But you were washed, *you were sanctified* , you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Call up on the Lord and you will be saved. After that, seek opposite-sex oriented ("straight Christian") men. We're not as scary as you think!

@pices229

9 ай бұрын

If Jesus was God incarnate, then why didn't he say anything about it? Seems like Paul just gave his own opinion to an out of control church. Makes me think of how weak God is to allow the attraction to same sex feelings in my body only to condemn me later. If you say that it was Satan then that makes Satan stronger than God. Just wondering, that's all. 🙄@@millenniumman75

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

8 ай бұрын

@@millenniumman75 Go away with your rubbish.

@josephbellino2347

3 ай бұрын

I'm so sorry you are feeling guilty and shame. Please believe it's not God 's fault. The blame should be on the fundamental trolls who without any real proof, insist you are broken for having these feelings. Please embrace your true self and stop listening to these trolls who have no understanding of same sex attraction or are so filled with hate for their own latent same sex attraction.

@RLucas3000

20 күн бұрын

@@millenniumman75hey, the Bible also says the same about anyone eating pork and shellfish? Have you been pork, ham and shellfish free your entire life? If not, then you are exactly the same as the most flaming homosexual on the planet. If you think you aren’t, then you are picking and choosing the things you like from the Bible. ‘I’m not attracted to men, so that part of the Bible is accurate, but I love bacon and crab cakes and lobster tail with drawn butter so that part of the Bible can be ignored. And that is simply ridiculous. You can take the Bible as Gospel if you wish but take all of it or none of it.

Some same- sex attracted people find that they can pursue the same sex for partnerships. They are glad that they can do this as free people. It does work for some people. It has worked for 24 years for me and my male partner. I wouldn’t change a thing. I enjoyed your talk. Thanks.

@millenniumman75

9 ай бұрын

It is still not what God wants for us. Technically, what you are describing is heresy. Part of coming to Christ is realizing that not everything that feels good is good for us.

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

8 ай бұрын

@@millenniumman75 We don't care what god wants. get it through your thick head.

@matthewy8768

24 күн бұрын

​​@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relaxthen why are you here commenting? Your comment is so revealing. You agree that God exist but you hate Him. Romans 1 speaks about you, and me before I was saved. Don't store up wrath for yourself on the day of judgement. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. He will change your heart and seal you for eternal glory. The problem isn't our heads being thick, it's your neck being stiff.

This blessed me and I believe this will be able to help me help others in the future. I’m thankful that God worked through you guys!

This makes sense. I never truly believed that "You are born this or that way!" But it does suggest that we can brainwash ourselves. 💜💜💜

I beg to differ with the statement, that your sexual development comes from your experiences rather than being innate. Heterosexual sex is rather prevalent in our society. It is all around us. Homosexual sex on the other hand is not so much around us and in our faces. Not all gay men or women have been molested. For crying out loud, our Mothers teach us to masturbate. I know it sounds strange but what do you think happens when Mom is bathing her baby boy. He gets aroused and it is not just a reflex. Though it may not be thoughts of as we might as an adult, the results are the same. We see our parents kissing on occasion you may catch your parents engaged in sex, but rarely ever the homosexual act. Yet we have men and women who deviate from their parents behavior. If as one of you said, boys experiment with other boys at an early stage, then why is it not all the boys who participated in circle jerks are gay? So if you are watching str8 porn, then wouldn't it stand to reason that you'd be attracted to the opposit sex. Why then in that situation would on boy gravitate to the penis rather than the vagina? This makes me believe that we are predestined to be attracted to whom ever we are. What about Lions and Geese, and some other animals out there are in homosexual relationships. My question to you is why the shame, and why do you think it is wrong?

@carlorizzo827

9 ай бұрын

I recommend the author Dr John Money, sexologist from New Zealand, who affirms the genesis of our sexuality is multivarious. Most folks, including in this video, see it more simplistically

Maybe it can be a good idea to have a talk with Justin Lee

I want to talk about what I endured. Please get back to me about this.

❤👍🌟

I don't see same sex contact as bad or negative! God made she, he, me. All sounds like supressed hysteria! There are all types of relationships. The relationship of a man between a woman, a relationship of a man with another man. Platonic relationships or even the bond we have with a pet. Organised religion is always a few hundred years behind society.

Same sex attraction comes about in the first 14 years of life. The mothers love in the first 7 years and the fathers in the next 7 years. We all need to be loved, but it's our development of that love. Biologic parents are the best suppliers of this love , because they truly care and want there children to to succeed and be the best. If they are not damaged and narcissistic. Isn't homasexaul love , those just trying to find themselves for a disfunction marriage ? No one is perfect, even our parents. Is this the reason for the the words, to forgive is Devine ? And if you are going to forgive, shouldn't we not forgive the person who is left trying to find him or herself ? Was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed for homosexualaty or lust ? If Jesus would have mercy on a prostate, would he have mercy on a homosexual ? We all need to be loved, finding the the right way Isn't coming under dictation. We we are humans, imperfect, all looking to find the truth and living in it ! God have mercy on us.

Summarized: “Include those with same sex attraction first and then have the conversation that can help the transformation from sexual brokenness to healthy behaviour” … Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. Matthew 7:15

9.15. When it comes to sexual preference your brain is certainly not a blank slate. Heterosexuality or homosexuality is not a choice or conditioned response. Check the science - testosterone levels in the womb!

John Fort dominated too much. He said good stuff..... but was he meant to be the main speaker here?

@PureDesireMinistries

2 ай бұрын

Yes, he was. We tend to set up our guests as the primary expert.

It's only fair to have the perspective of a gay-identified Christian if you're going to give a platform to an "Ex-gay."

IF you get rid of the jezebel spirit then the attractions will be reduced

@matthewy8768

24 күн бұрын

I think our flesh does most of the heavy lifting...

If this was natural it wouldn't be so complicated trying to force yourself to be attracted to women. The church makes people nuts 😢

Im here looking for my first man...any takers?