This caller confirms why defunding education was an exquisitely bad idea.

@macctruck

2 жыл бұрын

Bad idea for society, good idea for those seeking to manipulate reactionary dunces

@joeymorales2565

2 жыл бұрын

*privatizing

@texstan

2 жыл бұрын

mic drop ^^^^^^^^^^

@frankied.roosevelt6232

2 жыл бұрын

God. I wish they would read Malone's own studies. He counters everything he says publicly that he himself published in medical journals.

@kennybowens4983

2 жыл бұрын

Or a great republican strategy fuck the gop but damn they can execute the long game

“You can’t just cite a study, you have to read it” Two minutes later “What, you’re going to read the study? No! Don’t do that!”

@baron1324

2 жыл бұрын

and then goes on to offer to read another study he was trying to cite from. Absolutely incredible stuff here.

@linger4605

2 жыл бұрын

"No, don't read it! You're going to find the part in the study that shines the light where I'm wrong! 👿"

@nosuchperson284

2 жыл бұрын

The guy comes on basing his argument, apparently, on a single study? Yet when Sam asks for it, he doesn't even have it ready and has to look for it. I believe Sam was right: this guy was high.

@BetaDreTV

2 жыл бұрын

that truly was mind boggling

@empanada223

2 жыл бұрын

lmao...(shakes head)...UUGH!...WHY do these clowns even try lmao?

My favorite bit was when he was like "doctors don't care about peer review, instead they *describes the process of peer review*." Incredible stuff really.

@hollenfeuer1

Жыл бұрын

That was amazing 🤣🤣🤣

@firmbase

Жыл бұрын

As if medicine isn't an evidence based practice 🤣

@maybe6536

11 ай бұрын

So in other words they review stuff as if they were peers? 😂

@TranceID99

11 ай бұрын

That bit kinda proved they're being brainwashed to be knee jerk against certain words, like "peer review". They figured out that whenever they hear "peer review" they;ll lose and look like fools, so their Pavlovian reaction is to DISS it. And of course, it also proves they truly don't know what they're talking about: "I hate ..... vegetables!!! But green stuff you pull from the earth or pluck from plants which has a fresh bittery taste to it, THAT i love! "

@TranceID99

11 ай бұрын

@@firmbase indeed. They are so brainwashed, they probably assume doctors practice medicine like once witches and warlocks were imagined to do it.

"I'm not frustrated!" The caller cries in frustration.

@bonscotty67

Жыл бұрын

In person the caller probably would have punched Sam in the nose. And it would have been well deserved. Sam is nothing more than an antagonist

@ManuelGuzmanPhotography

Жыл бұрын

@@bonscotty67 I'm guessing if we go back in your life we'd see you get upset when you saw Richard Spencer get punched in the face. Your side is all about "facts over feelings" until the facts hurt your feelings.

@bonscotty67

Жыл бұрын

@@ManuelGuzmanPhotography I don't use feelings when facts are needed

@ghostwitch644

Жыл бұрын

@@bonscotty67 This is what everyone says, and everybody who says this is a liar

@bonscotty67

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostwitch644 Sooo.....everyone is a liar? Sorry. We, Americans, won't allow our country to be united by commonality of the practice and/or concept of "lying".

Noah, chill dude. Carrying that much anger and stress can decrease your Lymphocyte count, making it harder to fight off infections, from the common cold to herpes. Which in turn opens the door to Myocarditis.

@apriljk6557

2 жыл бұрын

Also raises BP which can cause stroke.

@Arron01

2 жыл бұрын

That first minute was a DOOZY

@sneifert1968

2 жыл бұрын

😳🤣I smoke weed. I am impervious to everything. Including a coherent thought.

@wildstarventures76

2 жыл бұрын

@@apriljk6557 c . Vfc CNN

@BreathlessOblivion08

2 жыл бұрын

😂

The dumbest people are always the most indignant about being wrong.

@Tom-it6gi

2 жыл бұрын

Very well put.

@docmalthus

2 жыл бұрын

...and the most wrong.

@mindhackz

2 жыл бұрын

This is Dunning-Kreuger

@chrishorst1318

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. The Rogan simp could have had his citations ready to go..why didnt he?...bc he is a lying Joe Rogan groupie you can hear the caller is strait 😭 crying, just listen to him he sobs as he gets mad.

@rightwingersexposed8800

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair to him. Sam should have let him speak on and kept interrupting him, it was a pretty rude exchange. I did not like it

Love it how his own study says “mild myocarditis” and when he reads it out loud it triggers him and he has to read it a second time without the word mild.

Bro’s voice is shaking and near tears while Sam is talking to him calmly like a therapist something the caller desperately needs.

@bledig

Жыл бұрын

Malone 😅

@tatathebutterfly

Жыл бұрын

😂

@tryingtotryistrying

Жыл бұрын

I'M NOT FRUSTRATED

@patrickmatheson1123

Жыл бұрын

I feel bad for him. We need better mental health funding and health funding in general.

@garyandsandrahamlin872

Жыл бұрын

Do you all still support the vaccine mandates?

That dude got so mad when Sam pointed out his study wasn't peer reviewed. That tells you all you need to know about his credibility lol

@orionred2489

2 жыл бұрын

The best part was when he CONTINUED by describing the process of peer review!

@chegorilla1468

2 жыл бұрын

@@orionred2489 didn't he also claim he has some kind of scientific background? Dude it cracked.

@andrewlacosse2096

2 жыл бұрын

His voice starts cracking like 10 minutes in and I'm dying laughing.

@jasjfl

2 жыл бұрын

He's not entirely wrong about that though. I'm in a bioscience Ph.D. program and people do regularly read bio and medrxiv to see work ahead of peer review. It's good for seeing what work is being done as quickly as possible. Knowledgeable scientists have the ability to read that work and understand the flaws prior to peer review because they are peers. This guy however is a moron and I don't trust his interpretation of anything. At the same time, peer review isn't some magical stamp of authenticity. Lots of junk makes it through and not everything in preprint should be dismissed. If you're qualified to judge the merits then there is no problem in considering data from preprint articles.

@Disaletteritis

2 жыл бұрын

In that case barely anything is peer reviewed pertaining to COVID...

“You mean they review it, as if like they were peers.” He didn’t like that one. Solid burn 9/10.

@luodeligesi7238

2 жыл бұрын

This dude really tried to argue that doctors don’t care if something is peer reviewed???

@aleks-33

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 his smirk while saying it killed me

@ufogrindizer5038

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, yes, yes! 🤣 That's was great of Sam and was real funny.

@whitehawk45

2 жыл бұрын

Lol timestamp?

@ClayGlendenning

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitehawk45 @ 20:45

As a doctor.... Yes, we absolutely expect literature to be peer reviewed.

@robbinburns6329

Жыл бұрын

As a doctor...peer review is better than no peer review....but peer review is not the arbiter of "quality". With reference to the question "is myocarditis in young males greater after vaccine or after Covid-19?" the Nature paper is of much higher quality than the paper referenced by Zepps/Sam. This was covered previous to this call in some detail by Vinay Prasad (a form of informal peer review), which was available to Sam but he chose to ignore it. One year later the consensus is in and the caller and Joe Rogan were in fact right and Sam was wrong - myocarditis is many times greater following mRNA vaccination (especially Moderna) than after Covid-19. Sam chose trying to score cheap debate points over having an honest discussion of the data (which could have included things like peer review) and the result was yet another wrong Covid talking point that I still hear repeated to this day.

@jermsbestfriend9296

Жыл бұрын

@@robbinburns6329 Well, I largely disagree with your opinion that Sam was wrong and the caller was right in any substantial way, and the followup to your statement that peer review isn't really essential with "I saw it on Joe Rogan" also gave me pause for concern. Are you a doctor? Maybe you graduated a long time ago and haven't maintained your licensing requirements properly? To the extent that peer review isn't absolutely essential, you should be consulting highly trusted organizations, exclusively, such as the ama, the apa, the cdc, etc. "Joe Rogan" is the antithesis of that: an editorial sports interview broadcast that dabbles in social issues, has no peer reviewed publications who dropped out of college: “I went to college but I fooled off. I barely paid attention. All I was thinking about was martial arts competition and stand-up.” I think he has his moments of being critical, but Rogan certainly isn't balanced and regularly hosts a culture club of totalitarian conspiracy theorists remnant of jeering early cpc Maoist Boxers. To the extent that what you're saying might have any merit, the study your referencing was actually pulled from print and republished after its peer review was re-tested, which is always a good sign--the type of stuff we see when a study recommends smoking tobacco for gingivitis, for example. Strangely, they did not make their raw data available in the most recent round: it's almost as if they're paying a low-quality journal to peer review and publish their work rather than using a journal that requires a high level of merit such as a mathematical review on top of a simple evaluation of honest citation and formatting. But let's really dig deep into the findings as they relate to your comment and the call: 1. "Many times greater"? Weren't you taught in one of your methods or metrics classes that this is a shady way of summarizing data, and weren't you told to specifically not use multiples in conclusions and headlines in your own publications? Because what's many times more than one? The correct answer is 2.1 or more: this hides the strength of the effect, and that's virtually always dishonest. 2. The caller said that myocarditis is as dangerous as stroke or heart attack. That's ridiculous. If you really are a doctor, which I don't contend, you know that myocarditis is a risk with most vaccines. We monitor patients for an hour, then they leave. We tell them to relax for a few days if they feel tired. Exaggerating the danger of myocarditis is stupid, just like conflating myocarditis by itself with myocarditis caused by an immune response to an illness or a vaccine. 3. In your statement, you suggest that myocarditis is common after the covid vaccine. In fact, it's most common in sinovax, and the majority of myocarditis events were in their earlier iteration of the vaccine which had lower quality standards and was tested on minority populations in places like the Philippines and South America. In fact, myocarditis is extremely rare in the vaccines used in the US. This might come as a surprise to you because you're cherry picking studies that count only one dose and three doses and neglect to mention that almost everyone who got one dose got two whereas only about half got three (for example, >80% of the UK got 2). Strangely people weren't dropping like flies. 4. That's probably because even when we look at the intentionally flawed studies that make no qualms about misrepresenting data with seemingly accidental ellisions of 47-147 million doses, depending on which of their publications you're looking at, temporally. But even if you allow their gross errors, you'd still be looking at less than 18 myocarditis events within 28 days of the vaccine per million people, a lot of which might just be related to the increase in sedentary lifestyle associated with being stuck inside. 5. If we actually look at confirmed cases of myocarditis instead of suspected cases, we're down to 2-6 cases per million people. Compare that to the 450 cases per million comfirmed in people with covid and the many other dangers of the virus, the fact is that the risk profile of the vaccine versus the virus is no contest. Now, I'm not sure if you really are a doctor or not. Maybe a chiropractor? Or a doctor of theology? But in medical academia or research, especially at a reputable school, you need to look through all of the research on a topic to form an opinion, and you need to look at each section to be sure that there are no contradictions and that the methods are done well, and then you're supposed to ask for all the raw data. These are reporters: they may not have time for that. Joe Rogan certainly doesn't: he's citing individual studies based on single search terms on Google--not even using academic search--and mainly reading from abstracts, which is the sensationalist portion of garbage publications. I encourage you to go back for a diversification in research if you're actually a doctor because this type of low quality referencing is very concerning in terms of the risk to your patients. At least within the past 3 years, you should do an exhaustive search of peer reviewed publications and look at all of their findings before you jump into a culture club. It's extremely irresponsible and frankly you're violating your ethical oath if you're getting involved in anti-science cliques like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson (or any cliques, really). Do your own research. If you're a doctor, you should be the authority not the appealer.

@tortellinifettuccine

Жыл бұрын

​@@robbinburns6329this comment gave me multiple strokes

@ferox965

Жыл бұрын

​@@robbinburns6329

@GNMbg

Жыл бұрын

@@jermsbestfriend9296 wow what a brilliant comment, thank you doctor !

I want Joe to finally make the mistake of debating Sam so bad.

@tgin7100

Жыл бұрын

I'd donate my left ass cheek to see that

@Dhamphyre

Жыл бұрын

Unlikely. Dude’s not an intellectual and he knows it.

@thesprawl2361

Жыл бұрын

He won't. He's a canny guy. People at his level do not open themselves up to the risk of complete humiliation. There's no incentive for him at all, and all the incentives for him to refuse.

@not.your.problem

Жыл бұрын

When questioned or shown facts contradicting his latest quack guest Rogan constantly says he's not a doctor and he just likes talking to different people. That's like his little disclaimer he walks around with.

@humanwithaplaylist

Жыл бұрын

That would be so fun. Sam would obliterate him

Imagine calling into a show to attempt to debunk a claim/piece of evidence and not having your citations ready. These people go out of their way to prove their own idiocy to the world.

@zlipus

2 жыл бұрын

I don't even have an interest in debating but the one thing i know for SURE if i were forced to do it... Have some fucking material to read from on the thing i wanna talk about. But i suspect this caller doesn't see how stupid it is to have to google on your phone mid debate.

@DerAptrgangr

2 жыл бұрын

I love that his whole thing was "anyone can find an internet article about anything" but immediately melts when he finds out Sam expects them to be peer-reviewed. I imagine that there are tons of studies that doctors rely on that aren't peer-reviewed yet - information moves so fast. But to imagine that they don't care at all? Sounds like this guy needs a new doctor. 😂😂

@docmalthus

2 жыл бұрын

@@DerAptrgangr If not a new doctor a new dope connection at least.

@derekneal541

2 жыл бұрын

@@DerAptrgangr If you remember early on he said "You have to have a double blinded prospective study or whatever you are saying is bullshit." then near the end he is crying because Sam wants basic peer review lol.

@NyxyPixie

2 жыл бұрын

Standard debate prep involves looking into common counter arguments to your points so you are prepared to deal with them as well as making sure you have your scources and attributions.

The author is not "Hoeg." Hoeg is a person who tweeted the article. The guy's source, "Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex," is a 1-paragraph news release about a forthcoming article that is under peer review now (lead author: Patone). After all this guy's nonsense about "reading the article," the new data suggests a risk of myocarditis after the booster shot as high as 13 per 1 million vaccinations compared to 7 per 1 million among COVID-19 infections. In other words, we're talking about a .000013% risk compared to a .000007% risk, with the tradeoff being protection from COVID-19. Even if this study survives peer review, the caller has no sense of relative risk or effect size. I think I'll still take the shot.

@Reienroute

2 жыл бұрын

If that's the same study which originally kicked off this specific antivax talking point, it goes on to state that even with the increased cases of myocarditis among boosted people in the aforementioned age group, the number which resulted in hospitalization or death were still greater among covid positive individuals. So it's no wonder the caller has to outright reject the existence of mild cases of myocarditis, because that's the one detail of the study which makes his focus on the number of cases completely moot.

@ProfDCoy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing the legwork you two.

@Nick-cp9wf

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent research

@glowwurm9365

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on that’s precisely what I found when looking this up via the NHS. They claimed a 11 cases per 1 million of myocarditis sounds pretty unlikely, of those 11 few of any have gone on to die!! It’s laughable stuff..

@mini-t2348

2 жыл бұрын

Great response

This is the kind of guy that goes on WebMD for gas and comes away thinking he's having a heart attack and calls the ambulance.

@BullishArms

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@AggressiveLemur

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair severe cases of gas can be mistaken for heart attack just on symptoms. My nurse MIL was afraid she was having a heart attack till they did her vitals and they showed that she wasn't having a heart attack, then they gave her gas treatment and symptoms resolved themselves almost immediately

@Louie_The_Dago

Жыл бұрын

@@AggressiveLemur To be fair, these people are still morons. A heart attack is like having Alex Jones sitting on your chest. When you have one, you know what it is. Most people I knew who were panicking all the time about getting a heart attack were always big fat slobs who become hyper aware of how at risk they are for one due to poor lifestyle choices and diets. Which is a weird thing, because they are basically constantly aware they are killing themselves and their lifestyle is totally unsustainable, yet continue living it anyways. If I was a doctor or worked in ER, I'd be pretty pissed off that every night some bloated boomer is wasting hospital resources because they ate 16 white castle burgers and are mystified by the sharp cramping pains and gurgling sounds.

@Truth_Seeker1

11 ай бұрын

WebMD isn’t wrong symptoms can mean different things that’s why we have human Drs who rule out things.

"Mild myocarditis is not mild." Yep, that sums up this guy's whole worldview.

@robbinburns6329

Жыл бұрын

You didn't listen carefully. The caller was saying "there is no such thing as MILD myocarditis". Now technically I'm sure doctors may label specific myocarditis cases as mild/moderate/severe. However, the spirit or principle of what the caller was saying is of course true - like saying there is no such thing as "mild" brain cancer or "mild" flesh eating disease. I use the example of an athlete with "mild" myocarditis following vaccination - this isn't just one week's rest and you can go back to running marathons. It's not like a "mild" sprain where the doctor says take a full week off and then another week to slowly re-introduce your sport and you should be good. I believe "this guy's" worldview and my worldview are the same. Myocarditis is indeed more prevalent after vaccination (compared to after Covid) as the scientific literature has now borne out, there isn't really any such thing as "mild" myocarditis, and the risk/benefit of the mRNA Covid vaccines is not positive for all age groups. Sure "this guy" might have been a little angry/emotional and could have comported himself better, but if I view the "debate winner" as "they guy who ultimately was more right", then he won and not Sam. Sam only won the "remain calm and appear rational" award.

@Jordan-fw1gf

Жыл бұрын

@@robbinburns6329it’s funny that the longer the time passes, the more this clip doesn’t age well. It’s pretty clear that Sam doesn’t come out looking good here. More and more info is coming out showing that their is more risk to taking the vaccine vs not, especially among certain age groups/demographics. And yes, the fact that Sam keeps mentioning myocarditis as if it’s just perfectly okay to get is terrifying to me

@thekon1298

Жыл бұрын

these replies are the same person.

@DriscolDevil

Жыл бұрын

​@@Jordan-fw1gf Can you share some of that evidence that supports the idea that getting the vaccine is more dangerous "than not?" Because I'm not finding anything that supports that.

@Dankatron69

Жыл бұрын

​@@robbinburns6329 you are wrong and delusional if you think getting a vaccine has more dangers than the virus you are preventing. people with that kind of mindset are the people bringing small pox back, look into that if you really want to know what not getting a vaccine causes over time.

"I'm a doctor!" "I have a scientific background!" "I'm not gonna give you my whole background!" "I used to watch House religiously...."

@beckywiththesharpknife8331

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣Wait? Is he a scientist or a doctor?

@vgaportauthority9932

2 жыл бұрын

@@beckywiththesharpknife8331 Wait? Is he a scientist or a doctor? Either way, dude has Lupus.

@johnsushi2007

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, shit even House would call this guy stupid.

@XXCoeusXX

2 жыл бұрын

@@beckywiththesharpknife8331 He's a scientific doctor, BOOM! Lol

@powbobs

2 жыл бұрын

@@beckywiththesharpknife8331 No

"Are you a doctor" "Yes" "Oh you are a doctor?" "I dont want to talk about my profession" I could feel his sweat when that happened

@JJ-et7il

2 жыл бұрын

I'll take biggest liars of the 21st century for 1000 ;) The guy was so obviously lying, Pinnochio would lie more convincingly lol

@kegsofvomitspit

2 жыл бұрын

He has a doctorate in BS from Massive Ego University. How dare you question his credentials!

@-AxisA-

2 жыл бұрын

@@kegsofvomitspit Haha I actually lolled at your comment😂👌🏼

@VIDEOgameDROME

2 жыл бұрын

🤥

@societylost4344

Жыл бұрын

Sam said myocarditis is mild. That's is a utter false opinion. Look at mortality rates. You guys are clowns!

Throwing a temper tantrum isn’t a good way to win a debate. This caller has the temperament of a 5 year old.

This is a guy you can tell never admits when he’s wrong 😂

@drrydog

Жыл бұрын

Sam never admits to being wrong either, your point?

@Power_to_the_people567

7 ай бұрын

@@drrydogIve seem him admit to being wrong live so many times. You making stuff up

Sam really got under this person’s skin with a simple, “And you are citing what study?”

@zach-rac

2 жыл бұрын

He started yelling like he'd lit his pants on fire, ironically enough~ 🤣🤣

@placebojesus5652

2 жыл бұрын

It’s more Sam’s tone that annoyed the guy.

@CMClaudio1989

2 жыл бұрын

@@placebojesus5652 that's definitely a big part of it and I would like to see that dropped amongst folks trying to debate and persuade

@the_endgame

2 жыл бұрын

The guy had a negative tone and so it's interesting that your comment distinguishes Sam.

@maxalbers7

2 жыл бұрын

@@CMClaudio1989 at a certain point you can’t pander and simplify things for these people. They argue for the sake of arguing, not to improve anyone’s lives or situation; Sam having an impatient and undeniably frustrated attitude is warranted, maybe these people would take a look at how fucking dumb they are every once in awhile.

Just confirms that anti-vaxxers are nuts

@TheBlazersfan22

2 жыл бұрын

Yea. Pretty.much. they are sooooooooooo. Dumb. Joe rogan literally said. Do not listen to me.

@HeathWatts

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBlazersfan22 Rogan told people not to listen to him, but then he continued bloviating. When one doesn't know something about a subject, it is best to remain silent. If stupid people in our society remained silent, we might not be approaching 1 million deaths from the pandemic, and we might have an workable action plan to address climate change. Unfortunately, as the Forrest Gump character said, "Stupid is as stupid does."

@andromidius

2 жыл бұрын

@@HeathWatts Its why I say very little when dealing with a topic I'm unfamiliar with, other then to ask general questions so I know where to start with my own basic research. And why its tough to get me to shut up when a topic I'm familiar with comes up. I like to learn and to teach.

@jsville5247

2 жыл бұрын

@@HeathWatts exactly people should not take the high ground on issues they know nothing about. So out of interest who has the high ground on Covid vaccines🤔

@HeathWatts

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsville5247 What do you mean by high ground? We have a century of evidence that vaccines are safe and effective, evidence that mRNA vaccines are safe and effective, and more than a year of data showing that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. I am not a virologist or immunologist and presumably you aren't either, so we must trust the expertise of those who are.

When I worked in cardiology I saw one person (woman in early 20s) have side effects linked to the booster. All the medical staff were fascinated by her case because it was extremely rare. Patient only needed a couple days in hospital for observation and went home with a short term prescription. I now work in theatres and get to visit ICU where most of the beds are filled with the unvaccinated. Some treatable chest pain vs a month on a ventilator- I know which I'd risk

@humanwithaplaylist

Жыл бұрын

Hope y'all are still masking. Disabled people can't get healthcare any more because no one is masking and ventilation sucks. The pandemic isn't over

@mastakush4272

Жыл бұрын

​@@humanwithaplaylist🤦‍♂️

I've had Myocarditis from the flu and the covid vaccine. It was mild and I rested at home. Sam's 100% right

@malcothomas7902

Жыл бұрын

And your heart is permanently scarred. Stop believing big pharma

@glynnmcneill1875

10 ай бұрын

Alphonso Davis a professional soccer player age 21 got Myocarditis from COVID not the vaccine. He wasn't able to play or train for three months then he was back playing professional soccer for Bayern Munich. His biggest concern was not playing. Soccer is a very high cardiovascular activity, even more so being a professional and Alphonso is back to 100 percent. He was never hospitalized, basically just wasn't allowed to train or play in matches until the heart swelling went away.

This guy made me angry with myself for ever being a Joe Rogan fan lol

@jordant.teeterson3100

2 жыл бұрын

I still like joe rogans commentary on mma. You know, shit hes qualified to talk about.

@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN

2 жыл бұрын

what pisses me off is, the Proud Boys likely would have never existed, not as the force they became, if not for Joe Rogan. the boost that they got and the members drawn in by Rogan having Gavin McInnes on his show pitching his idea about a group designed to go out and do violence to protesters and just whoever else they know the cops won't extend proper protection to, all while little Joe sat there and "oh wow what a neat idea"d him to death, was THE thing that created their membership boom. Any decent person would be mortified and ashamed after being such a driving force in creating such an evil in the world... but if Joe learned anything at all from it, it definitely didn't change how he operates at all

@70bpmmusic86

2 жыл бұрын

@@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN America is a fascist country, as much as rogan had major influence on vaccine hesitancy its because these individuals were already hesitant... the same way "Russian interference" in American elections was the extent of posting memes & the Wikileaks email scandal..... it didnt take much to tip the scales out of Hillary's favour, shes was already very hated. meaning he had some impact but the segments of America that have been waging a culture war for the last 20 years, the persistent indoctrination from the rest of the media & the broader culture, the hostility of those people towards certain activist movements like BLM... definitely had a greater impact bringing people to fascism. People watching Joe Rogan (religiously especially) already have those tendencies, in my humble opinion

@SuperTruthful

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@DPdestructi0n

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordant.teeterson3100 if we are being honest, he is one of the worst mma announcers working today in my opinion. Especially when he’s paired with DC. Such a lack of any technical analysis just bro talk and rogan screaming “Oh, he’s hurt!” with the cringe announcer cam. If UFC wanted to please the long term fans, they would boot rogan, tell DC to stick to analysis and leave the garbage comedy act to Brendan schaub, and have bisping or felder or someone take toe’s spot. Honestly Laura Sanko is doing a legitimately great analyst job (probably because she feels like she needs to prove herself to the Neanderthal sexist mma fanbase) on contenders and I would take her over rogan in a goddamn second.

I bet this guy describes Covid as a "mild" disease but this guy in nearly in tears about myocarditis being described as "mild"

@spacemanx9595

2 жыл бұрын

Literally lmao he's fucking crying so hard and yelling like a chimp

@lilstevechan8427

2 жыл бұрын

lmao, that's a great point. Reminds me of their argument about gender reassignment. All the positive effects of transitioning are ignorable but the 1% that detransition are the most important thing in the world.

@jlrinc1420

2 жыл бұрын

Google are most people with myocarditis hospitalized. Sam is clearly wrong here. If you are diagnosed with myocarditis you will be hospitalized. Most are dismissed within a day or two but they definitely want to keep you under observation in the hospital. I suppose it could be called mild because most people recover very quickly but its not treated lightly. They want to hospitalize when you get it. The caller is right and sam is wrong. I am no expert but based on a quick google search I am not sure I would call it mild if 96% of people are hospitalized. Sam is simply wrong as far as I can tell.

@Sojo214

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlrinc1420 Mild cases generally get treated with medication and rest, at home. Hospitalization is for severe cases...

@Predatorsnightmare

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilstevechan8427 silly comparison that’s totally valid especially when talking about kids transitioning we’ve all seen docs like Transhood. obviously adults can make their own mistakes.

Sam's level of patience needs to be studied by professionals for future generations to admire.

@dominicbriggs2418

8 ай бұрын

He just thinking caaa ching 😂😂😂😂😂

I'm sitting next to three cardiologists.... Myocarditis is not anywhere near the same danger as stroke or heart attack. Usually requires no treatment.

This guy is probably telling everyone about how Sam wouldn’t “let him finish” lol

@GRice999

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean? He and his positions are clearly finished. ;-)

@yahwehvii6059

2 жыл бұрын

Sam is such a selfish lover lol

@TikiShades

2 жыл бұрын

@Richard Rivera literally the first time he complained about being cut off was when he couldn't answer what study he cited. It was totally made up, because he was embarrassed.

@Seattle-2017

2 жыл бұрын

And that he "owned" Sam.

@coletrickle1775

2 жыл бұрын

I read this as the caller was attempting to interrupting Sam explaining what the moron caller is conflating.

Sam: “Are you a doctor?” Dude: “Yes.” Sam: “Really?” Dude: “… I have a science background. I don’t want to get into it.” Well, *I’m* convinced! Great way to start off, lying about being a doctor.

@GypsyScot1

2 жыл бұрын

I laughed out loud. I'm guessing this dude really just compulsively lied because he thought it might help him, realized the lie couldn't hold up to scrutiny, and immediately backpedaled so hard it left an idiot-shaped hole in the wall behind him.

@josch1710

2 жыл бұрын

Well, even in America, people with Ph.D are doctors.

@russellward4624

2 жыл бұрын

He read a science book, therefore hes got a science background.

@puckerings

2 жыл бұрын

@@russellward4624 He failed high school science, therefore he's got a science background.

@deviouskris3012

2 жыл бұрын

As a result of being an oversexed teen, I’m pleading that I have a scientific background in gynaecology. No ma’am. I’m not an expert. But I’ll take a look at it for you.

"I'M NOT ACTING FRUSTRATED," said the caller calmly.

@HausOfCakeSoCal

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

A major theme with this guy is "I didn't finish my thought" which is seems to be a constant with him lol.

@Rockyzach88

Жыл бұрын

He seemed incapable of finishing a thought which is why I think Sam said he was high. Maybe a bit too much adderall that day.

@allhandsonberk

11 ай бұрын

Realistically, if he wanted to finish those thoughts, he should have finished them before calling in. He should have known he'd get questioned on the details.

Caller: "You can't call myocarditis mild!" Also caller: "Covid is mild, no need for vaccination nor hospitalization"

@Dubble77D

2 жыл бұрын

more like mild-ocarditis AMIRITE?! ayyyy I'll be here all week

@annferguson3113

2 жыл бұрын

@Zwerker That Caller is covering all the bases.

@garyandsandrahamlin872

2 жыл бұрын

How often does Covid cause myocarditis? How often does a cold turn into deadly pneumonia?

@hannah3146

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyandsandrahamlin872 seriously there's always been vaccines. It came out quick because so many people were dying! The vaccine saved my elderly parents their covid was tough but way more mild. I got covid before the vaccine and was literally in bed for a month.

@garyandsandrahamlin872

2 жыл бұрын

@@hannah3146 yeah I know, the vaccines are great. I just don’t want to force people to take them. That’s how I treat my cows.

"I know how science is done." Excellent, this should go smoothly. "Now let me explain why I ignore the scientific consensus based on one single study I didn't think I'd have to have ready when calling into a show to defend my already-held view. Don't all the smart ones site VAERS data (unverified self-reports)?"

@OwlsEyelash

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂Excellent summary of the yelling "scientist" call👏👏👏

@Seattle-2017

2 жыл бұрын

And then I get REALLY PISSED when Sam calls me out on my ignorance and unpreparedness.

@StuntpilootStef

2 жыл бұрын

The funniest thing, is that the Vaers site itself has a disclaimer that it shouldn't be used as a data source. Talk about not actually reading your source. People get really pissed off when you mention this, it's how I was permabanned from r/walkaway. That was a fun afternoon.

@zach-rac

2 жыл бұрын

I'm high af right now and just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoyed your comment~ xDD

@DarkZerol

2 жыл бұрын

"I know how science is done." Damn, this dude should be on the frontline and tackling every infectious diseases.

Caller: Yes, I’m a doctor Also caller: did Science to grade ten.

"I'm not frustrated" as he's yelling at Sam. Hahaha, get your feelings in check and your facts checked

Wow.. that guy’s a walking Dunning Krueger effect. Runs with what little he knows about a topic and willing to argue with others as if he’s SO SURE he’s right, with no verifiable basis for his claim. Then gets called out and gets emotional and stumbles over his words while going on the defensive. You’re unwilling to learn dude, stfu sometimes and listen. Be willing to admit you’re wrong or might be wrong, it will serve you right.

@puckerings

2 жыл бұрын

Rogan's fanbase shares many characteristics with Rogan, including everything you mention here.

@TheIcecoldorange

2 жыл бұрын

You can tell by this interaction that he isn’t the type to listen. I bet you he didn’t even know what the word “contention” meant

@southendbos

2 жыл бұрын

Because knowledge and intelligence intimidate the caller, and the more exposed he was, the louder he screamed.

The ONLY reason those children were kept in the hospital was literally because they were STUDYING those children, FOR myocarditis.

@faerykat

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you.

@UOweMe

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. He's also probably confused because in the US you only go to the hospital if you're like dying. In other countries you can go to the hospital even for minor things because it's so much more affordable or free.

@Seattle-2017

2 жыл бұрын

Some more facts the caller was too ignorant to look up.

@od8401

2 жыл бұрын

I got it from the vaccine and just didn't go out for my runs. For most people it is that easy

I subscribed after watching this. You have great tact and broke him apart and called him on his lack of logic.

A friend's teen kid got myocarditis from the vaccine. It was exactly as Sam said: a few days rest and he was back to football practice.

Some guy: "You can't just say you found evidence and have everyone accept that as fact." Same guy: "You're going to READ the study?!"

@southendbos

2 жыл бұрын

That was delicious.

@AlchemicMentor

2 жыл бұрын

Not defending the guy, cause a couple comments earlier someone did read it and showed that he didn’t read it lol, but I think he meant like read it live. Nevertheless this dude was to angry to even argue his point logically. Sam had to keep the caller on his own tracks 🤣

@southendbos

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlchemicMentor As far as I’m concerned, someone who can’t explain how ribosomes are leveraged by mRNA vaccines or protein synthesis isn’t qualified to interpret a study, nor comprehend one.

You know you're correct when you're in a state of panicked defense right out of the gate

@Louie_The_Dago

Жыл бұрын

He was acting like the crazed and disheveled scientist film trope, where they burst into a room hugging papers and folders, trying to warn the arrogant mayor or governor or president about their discovery, BUT NOBODY WILL LISTEN! I guarantee he watched this vid afterwards, and thinks he "won" the "debate," because aside from his Dunning-Kruger brain rot convincing him he mastered the medical and scientific professions in one afternoon, he's also incapable of understanding his "accomplishment" beyond the optics of "I yelled at him alot and therefore won."

@frank6842

11 ай бұрын

This made me laugh

@AlphaCentCom

8 ай бұрын

Or he was just too nervous to appear calm

@dracocrusher

7 ай бұрын

I'm positive he's tried to use this argument against people on Twitter or something and it backfired super hard, so he just starts up super defensive because he's terrified of getting blown out. And then he gets called on it. And then Sam slowly walks through his argument... and he gets blown out.

i’m NOT conflating!!!!! what does conflating mean?!? comedy gold.

Doctors haven't "needed to argue" the mildness of myocarditis for about a century now, caller is unhinged, and a perfect example of the dunning kruger effect.

The problem with the caller is that they have an idea in their mind, and they're searching for studies that prove their point, as opposed to going where the facts take them. It's what happens when someone has an agenda.

@xrogerxrabbitx

2 жыл бұрын

I've fallen into that trap before sadly

@nrbism9614

2 жыл бұрын

Which is ironic, since people on that side of the fence accuse us of "having an agenda" for everything that doesn't perfectly fit into their world view.

@Brian-rs4xg

2 жыл бұрын

@@xrogerxrabbitx It's not unusual, though what it is is putting the cart before the horse in that such people -based exclusively on their feelings about whatever - already have reached a conclusion long before they've actually looked at any evidence. Therefore, with an idea in mind from the start, they ignore the tons of information that disputes their argument for the meagre amount that doesn't. Especially with the Internet it's a real problem due to the access to so much information, both valid and invalid.

@joescott4778

2 жыл бұрын

Researching to prove your point is supposed to be done PRE debate, buddy...

@ImNotaRussianBot

Жыл бұрын

Having an upbringing in religion does that. It forms how you think: first have an idea, then find supporting data while ignoring and/or attacking any non-supporting data.

When the internet gave birth to Google, crazy people thought they have the power to be medical experts all of a sudden.

@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN

2 жыл бұрын

I have a background in medicine and attempting to tease actual knowledge out of all the nonsense online is often just impossible. My doctor wanted to start me on some cholesterol medicine, and I decided to search this fairly common side effect it can have, leg pain. If there were any good results in those google searches, they were completely buried by the nonsense, most of which were actual doctors spouting complete BS

@vgaportauthority9932

2 жыл бұрын

@@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN 100% true. Finding actual facts these days is a nightmare. Just imagine if you're just out there looking for "truths" that confirm your delusions... There's literally more of that then there are actual scientific studies... Just a bazillion bloggers spreading trash from their ass.

@eliw5864

2 жыл бұрын

Such a great point...

@theymademepickaname1248

2 жыл бұрын

Medical experts, geopolitical experts, financial experts, nutritional experts, fitness experts, etc.

@theinvisiblewoman5709

2 жыл бұрын

@@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN uh have you heard of lexicomp or micromedex? These are what I use as a pharmacy student (and most doctors, nurses and healthcare providers use) to look up all drug info. You can also request a package label from your local pharmacy or type in FDA package label rosuvastatin for example… not that hard

Why is this caller so angry? He got pissed when Sam asked for the study, he got pissed when Sam simply repeated his own words back to him. Lied about being a doctor then refused to give his credentials. That's a first - an argument from authority while refusing to even demonstrate you are, in fact, an authority.

The problem is that Joe Rogan misinterpreted his information. It stated that you are more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine than if you were healthy. Which is true. The problem is that he completely ignored the fact that having covid does not mean that you are healthy and you are even more likely to get it from covid. Joe was using vaccine vs healthy stats to argue against vaccine vs covid stats. He still didn't realise this at the end and he was confused as to why his vaccine vs healthy stats contradicted the vaccine vs covid stats. He didn't understand what he was looking at.

@jasonkilley

2 жыл бұрын

Perfectly said

@fadedneonzzz9259

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherculler1390 it sounds like to me the problem is that people want to listen to a cult of personality or some charismatic person because they’ve lost faith in the government and scientists. I can only imagine how politically nihilistic or apathetic towards authorities we should trust you’d have to be to latch onto someone like Joe Rogan and take his word as law.

@d3l3tes00n

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherculler1390 The issue is people like this who do listen to him. Unfortunately people take what he says seriously.

@Disaletteritis

2 жыл бұрын

@@d3l3tes00n given the crisis in science and politics what do you expect?

@texstan

2 жыл бұрын

Totally, there's really no reason to beleive Joe Rogan was acting in bad faith. But people who have been hit in the head a lot should probably be a little reserved about repeating stuff. I'm a jar head, so I speak from experience - shit that makes sense at one time might not actually be right. But 9 million people don't listen to me, thankfully.

"Doctors don't talk about whether or not it was peer reviewed." Lmfao.

@cs-zz7jd

2 жыл бұрын

That caller is not a doctor.

@Jefferson-ly5qe

Жыл бұрын

Nah they get their info off Joe Rogan. Isn't that what they mean by peer review?

Not only did my doctor require studies I brought to him to be peer reviewed, but he also required them to be doubly blind placebo controlled as well to even consider them.

Why do they feel like they have to lie? He claims he’s a doctor and spends The next 10 minutes proving he Is not…

*Sees title and grabs popcorn*

@galedribble9535

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@HolliGenett

2 жыл бұрын

Lol yup. Was great to catch live during my workday

@v.rodgers1569

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. This was awesome 😄

@nroman387

2 жыл бұрын

🙌

@Local_Yeti

2 жыл бұрын

Volume up to 11

The exact moment the caller realized he was wrong = when he resorted to the desperate hail mary "you're killing your kids." Even HE wasn't trying to make that point until that moment. Then, in a moment of sheer panic, he said the most inflammatory thing that came to mind in hopes of sparking the same irrational emotional response that worked on him when he got sucked into the right-wing cult.

"When someone cites you study, you have to actually read it." "Show me the study you are citing." "What, are you going to read it on air? Really?"

Lmfao.. PERFECT encapsulation of a Rogan fan. Doesn't like facts, so screams out his feelings and throws a tantrum. And never once says anything approaching an intelligent or rational thought.

@coletrickle1775

2 жыл бұрын

Most Rogan fans. Not every Rogan fan is a clown that hangs off his words. I like his stand-up and I like him from an old show called News Radio. I'm a lefty and I only watch his podcasts with people like Neil degrasse tyson, kyle Kullinski, Ben Burgis and probably another lefty or two I've forgotten about, are on. Rogan has a good evolution bit in his stand up. Humans and apes share 98% of their dna. To deny evolution is stupid. It's like if I gave you a sandwich which was 98% shit, and 2% ham, would you be willing to call that a ham sandwich? I'm just saying, not everyone who likes Rogan is a mouth breathing reich wing clown that follows like sheep. I am a lefty that likes a lot of things that are mostly reich winger clowns activities, so I find myself in this position quite a lot. I grew up in a race car shop in the rural southeast US. As a lefty in the rural south, it's yikesy.

@kongvinter33

2 жыл бұрын

good one. claiming that everyone of a particular group is exactly the same.....

@DystopianUtopia8

2 жыл бұрын

@@coletrickle1775 yeah same, until recently. He sold out to the alt reich fan bois for $100 million. I can't watch him anymore.

"I should have checked if this dude was a libertarian" - Sam Seder 2022

@AliensAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

little sammy has never debated a true libertarian.

@hassanabdaladl

2 жыл бұрын

@@AliensAnonymous lol hahaha says every libertarian ever, right before they get embarrassed.

@AliensAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

@@hassanabdaladl live and let live... That's too deep for you? -- "Haha lol." Next time use emojis, halfwit

@allyabernathy4098

2 жыл бұрын

@@hassanabdaladl lol every libertarian is a snowflake, they love to think of themselves as unique and special but immediately melt away under sam’s breath when he starts debating them.

@clifton2478

2 жыл бұрын

@@allyabernathy4098 Seder is smug and pompous. You should listen to Kulinski or Pakman instead of this guy.

"I'll find the study.... just let me log in to my OAN account".

"You cannot call myocarditis mild. That's like calling a stroke mild." ... Um ... there are mild strokes. Not all strokes are these massive, catastrophic events.

@floepiejane

2 жыл бұрын

He means level of scary

@spacemanx9595

2 жыл бұрын

I had a spicy case of the shits, maybe that's why he keeps getting upset about mild? Lol.

@kitten8410

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is, a stroke means blood has been cut off to the brain. No blood means no oxygen which means cell death. It is impossible for even a 'mild' stroke to be mild. Now with myo, blood and oxygen supply are mostly undesturbed.

@monkeyflower3851

2 жыл бұрын

@@kitten8410 There are different kinds of strokes. Strokes can be caused by a clot (cutting off blood flow to the brain), or by a bleed in a blood vessel in the brain. The result is the same because brain cells are deprived of oxygen, but not all stokes are the same. Also, you have TIAs (transient ischemic attack), which are essentially mini strokes. These can be pretty mild and result in no permanent damage. You still need to see a doctor, but they do not result in cell death. So my point still stands. There are mild strokes, just like there is mild myocarditis.

@monkeyflower3851

2 жыл бұрын

@@floepiejane ok. He's still wrong.

I just typed in Hoge and myocarditis, and the study used VAERS data. VAERS data=disqualified, desk rejection

@emo72387

2 жыл бұрын

Omg that’s hilarious, especially since he conceded that VAERS isn’t reliable😂😂😂😂

@cjohnson3836

2 жыл бұрын

Self report data isn't inherently bad, even that stuff. It really depends on what methodology the researcher employs to actually filter all the bullshit and how they use the rest. Of course, that all gets verified in peer review, which these clowns loathe.

@jaredgreathouse3672

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjohnson3836 I agree. Self reporting is only valid if it goes through extensive checking by professionals

@cjohnson3836

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaredgreathouse3672 Depends what the point of the data is. For research, this misses the point. The researchers aren't the ones gathering this data. They're using the data because it exists already. This is becoming more and more common in all fields. Its not that the self reporting isn't valid. Its just answers on a page. Its up to the person using the data to establish controls for inclusion into their study. And then they report what the criteria was in their methods. This is very different than saying data is only valid if the caretaker audits it. If that were the case, there'd be no such thing as citizen science, and that's just dumb. For all its issues, citizen science is often all we have to go on for many large scale questions.

@harm864

2 жыл бұрын

All I typed was "Hoeg my" & the 1st result was *["Covid-19: Study that claimed boys are at increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination is deeply flawed, say critics."]* I noticed that these wackos always claim "let me finish...can I finish?" & then proceed to meander off topic again. The finish line is never in sight for these nutjobs. This guy is a hard-headed clown!

I'm starting to think this guy isn't a real doctor

@bookerwills8649

11 ай бұрын

But he has a science background!!! Hahhaa what the fick does that mean

I'll take the minimal risks of the vaccine over the opportunity to be hospitalized by COVID from not being vaccinated any day. As an aside, I got COVID and it was a nothing burger. Thanks, boosters!

Sam vs someone who's arrogant, emotional, and unprepared? I love to see it.

@deviouskris3012

2 жыл бұрын

The YT example of bringing a knife to a gun fight.

@skankhunt3624

2 жыл бұрын

Check out James O'Brien's show, you'll love the content.

@southendbos

2 жыл бұрын

They’re the same idiots who claim that Ukraine wasn’t even a country until the Soviet Union collapsed. Dopes.

The way this dude scoffed at the concept of peer reviews says all you need to know about anything that comes out of this tools mouth. I love it when people who have no idea how science works talk about science with false authority.

@bccbaron12

2 жыл бұрын

Also seems like an example of the “debate bro” kind of people (for lack of a better term). He thinks 2 doctors having a “debate” is more credible than the process of peer reviewing.

@ahh_yes_mr_bax

2 жыл бұрын

When someone claims to be a doctor then instantly switch that to “a background in science” it means the person works at a place where everyone else is a scientists and he is an idiot with a completely different profession.

@levonsmallwood6078

2 жыл бұрын

Not just science

This guy calls up talking about studies, gets asked to cite a study, gets annoyed.

« You keep interrupting me to ask for evidence. That’s not fair »

"You're conflating all sorts of different things" "I'm not conflating anything! I didn't... what do you mean I'm conflating? What does that mean?" "What does conflating mean?" "I know what conflating means! What do you mean by saying I'm conflating it?" Nope, he did not know what conflating means.

@Louie_The_Dago

Жыл бұрын

Con-Flate. With Flate. As opposed to without Flate. He's got an attic full of Flate's. Don't talk to him about Flates, Con or otherwise. He practically wrote the book on it.

This is what I live for! There is nothing more entertaining than idiots trying to debate someone and getting shut down because they can’t even muster a cohesive thought. Sam, you are a legend good sir!

@drexlspivey3047

2 жыл бұрын

You need to watch James obrien videos

@scotthullinger4684

2 жыл бұрын

Tell us all what a peaceful warrior might be peaceful about, Jeff.

@LaoZi2023

2 жыл бұрын

@@scotthullinger4684 You haven't read "Way of the Peaceful Warrior? It's a good read.

@jlrinc1420

2 жыл бұрын

I dont know. I googled the question are most people with myocarditis hospitalized and Sam is wrong the guy is right. You will almost certainly be hospitalized with myocarditis. This makes sense. One paper says that the majority are released after a day or two bit Sam is clearly wrong on this.

@LaoZi2023

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlrinc1420 , interesting

As a cardiac nurse for 15 years… myocarditis is not a serious illness… not in the same way a stroke is.

Lost all credibility for me when he said “doctors don’t go “oh is it peer reviewed ‘“

I don't think Joe Rogan's fans have the capacity to read anything 🤣 I remember a quote "it's easier to the fool the masses than to convince one person he's wrong" That's Joe Rogan's base in a nutshell.

@farminstoltzfus

2 жыл бұрын

That's Joe Rogan himself. Look up Joe Rogan v Primatologist. He goes on some wild rant that there's a newly discovered giant primate in the Congo. A short while later, a primatologist calls in and says "yeah, that's bullshit". The way Rogan digs in his heels and attacks the primatologist for being a woman is pretty despicable.

@Quanic2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@farminstoltzfus I'm aware! Joe completely lost his shit 🤣

This guy - “you got to read the whole study” Also this guy - “what are you gonna read it?! Thats the problem!” Honestly i dont even know why you bother to continue the moment he suggested Myocarditis is as bad as a stroke.

@jcspoon573

2 жыл бұрын

What about the time where he claimed these were all mild cases of acute myocarditis? Mild ... acute? What is his "science background", Political Science?

@mechanomics2649

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcspoon573 He has a children's chemistry set at home.

@Albinoman887

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah ss a child of a stroke victim that offended me to no end

@Albinoman887

2 жыл бұрын

@@mechanomics2649 eyes and ears

James O'Brien does this. The first thing he does is asks for evidence and the caller falls apart. How do they all make the same mistake every time?

@Truth_Seeker1

11 ай бұрын

But the Anti-Vaxxers say the media lies. So you can never win send them news it’s fake, send them studies they either call it fake or if they trust scientists and Drs they just ignore the studies.

@ThePsho

2 ай бұрын

It's the old "don't teach them what to think, teach them how to think" method. Much more effective when they take that journey themselves.

I thought I was never going to say this, but I miss the libertarians.

@Richard-jm3um

2 жыл бұрын

They were more fun

@SaraphDarklaw

2 жыл бұрын

I laughed hard at this. Thanks!

@ItzMorphinTime22

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure they've missed you too.

@Junebug89

2 жыл бұрын

There's no way this guy wasn't a libertarian LOL

I love how surface level this guy's thinking is. He reads "heart not pumping as well" and thinks "the heart is important, therefore that MUST be deadly no matter what anyone says". No one tell him that when he goes to sleep his heart rate slows down significantly. Surely that must sound like death to him.

@VitalVampyr

2 жыл бұрын

You think being unconscious for several hours and experiencing vivid hallucinations is *NORMAL* ?

@DianthaNota

2 жыл бұрын

Hé flipped out about heart function reduced. I didn’t do cardio for 6 weeks due to a broken toe. I can tell you my heart function significantly reduced by only cycling to work instead of doing spinning class and CrossFit regularly. I took the stairs 5 floors up at work today, trust me, it sucked 😂

@kibbles1053

2 жыл бұрын

"Decreased function" could mean it goes from 100% to 90%. That isn't Great, or even ideal, but... I mean, I'd need a doctor to tell me if 90% is bad. My knee-jerk reaction is that it isn't though.

I love how mad anti vaxers get when you laugh at them

The Abstract of the study by the way: Between 14 June 2021 and 4 September 2021, 33 Chinese adolescents who developed acute myocarditis/pericarditis following Comirnaty vaccination were identified. In total, 29 (87.88%) were male and 4 (12.12%) were female, with a median age of 15.25 years. And 27 (81.82%) and 6 (18.18%) cases developed acute myocarditis/pericarditis after receiving the second and first dose, respectively. All cases are mild and required only conservative management. The overall incidence of acute myocarditis/pericarditis was 18.52 (95% confidence interval [CI], 11.67-29.01) per 100 000 persons vaccinated. The incidence after the first and second doses were 3.37 (95% CI, 1.12-9.51) and 21.22 (95% CI, 13.78-32.28 per 100 000 persons vaccinated, respectively. Among male adolescents, the incidence after the first and second doses were 5.57 (95% CI, 2.38-12.53) and 37.32 (95% CI, 26.98-51.25) per 100 000 persons vaccinated. Conclusions There is a significant increase in the risk of acute myocarditis/pericarditis following Comirnaty vaccination among Chinese male adolescents, especially after the second dose. 33 is a laughable sample size. I'm not sure how they could just a 95% confidence interval with that. Ridiculous. This is also specifically about the Pfizer vacc. It's also pretty much only apparently in males. Seems to me like it's totally random tbh. " All cases are mild and required only conservative management" like, debunks his whole argument right now. I just don't get it. Why did he keep going?

These people are insane. Sam did a good job.

@curiosityl.6261

2 жыл бұрын

Sam's entire show is a gossip hour about personalities he doesn't like and obsesses over these individuals every day making a new video on them while never getting a response back and simultaneously posing as a "news network"...Is Sam clear if this accusation of insanity?

@coletrickle1775

2 жыл бұрын

@@curiosityl.6261 Lol, ok. Sam makes outgoing calls to these loons, right? You're adorable.

@curiosityl.6261

2 жыл бұрын

@@coletrickle1775 Yeah and they never respond back, yet he continues leeching off of their content and numbers in order to maintain even the slightest slightest slightest shred of relevance he may have left in hopes they will one day respond, and they never do lmao. The man is in his 50s, yet is a little gossip girl, literally all he does.

@curiosityl.6261

2 жыл бұрын

@@coletrickle1775 And the fact you follow that with any shred of seriousness shows the type of mindset you have, you like drama, thats the only explanation I could have for someone who follows Sam Sedar. There's not one ounce of importance he brings to ANYTHING else. He's good for a once a year stunt like the Crowder thing, then dissapears into complete irrelevance while plotting how he could leech off someone else's fame and success. A leeching gossip girl is more like the correct term, my apologies for earlier.

@coletrickle1775

2 жыл бұрын

@@curiosityl.6261 Just keep asserting it over and over, that's definitely how things become true to reality.

Sad part is that people with this guys intelligence level think he won the debate.

@dnate697

8 ай бұрын

"Sad part is that people with this guys intelligence level think he won the debate." See Forbs Breaking News for proof!

I'm guessing this guy didn't go to college. But if he did, he skipped debate class.

So, he talks about males 18-24 and cites a study focusing on kids 12-17. Uhhh. What?

The moment you cite VAERS as a source, you've lost all credibility.

@yoredeerleader

2 жыл бұрын

Wait? Joe Rogan cites VAERS in the conversation this caller has knocked his homeostasis off kilter so hotly debating. The good doctor needs to conflate himself a prescription for something. As you do.

@ar4203

2 жыл бұрын

Well technically he didn't really cite VAERS though, he referenced VAERS only to *DISCREDIT* it, in an attempt to discredit the article that cites myocarditis is more common with covid than the vaccine, he said that it used "observational data" which is an *UNRELIABLE* method which VAERS & this other article both use & thus he is in agreement that VAERS is unreliable & he just think it also means the other is too.. so yeah that doesn't exactly count as "citing" VAERS

@berjanbeen7188

2 жыл бұрын

@@ar4203 I checked the article. It uses VAERS data for it's myocarditis numbers, using keywords to find the instances.

@deviouskris3012

2 жыл бұрын

@@berjanbeen7188 ouch. Did it also make sure to account for those vaers references to growing tails, instant gender transitions and penile enlargement? Vaers is comically good.

@berjanbeen7188

2 жыл бұрын

@@deviouskris3012 I mean there is value in VAERS data, since you might extrapolate trends that might warrant investigation. That said using it as a primary source seems like a good way of having to make a retraction later.

God, grant me the patience that you have also granted to Sam Seder.

@mollyrose2896

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, hey there everyone.

@zach-rac

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cussy69_420 🤣🤣

This guy "they are looking at studies and not looking at the full study" This guy also "your gonna look at the study live now while im talking to u and can tell me how it doesnt support my argument"

“Myocarditis is equivalent to a stroke!” It’s rare someone is more irrational than an ancap caller

@GrahamBarth

2 жыл бұрын

You're assuming he isn't also an ancap. This could be the Libertarian assassination guy.

@faerykat

2 жыл бұрын

That comment tells me that he doesn't know anyone who has ever had a stroke.

@DavidHeffron78

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrahamBarth That was my first thought too.

@charliekowittmusic

2 жыл бұрын

Well, he’s wrong about everything else but Myocarditis is actually quite serious and rare. You do HAVE TO go to a hospital immediately.

@DavidHeffron78

2 жыл бұрын

@@charliekowittmusic is it possible to have Myocarditis, recover and never even know it?

I was diagnosed with myocraditis after going to an ER. They sent me home with a prescription for extra strength Ibuprofen. I was fine a few days later.

@tomargatewood5109

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds serious.......thoughts and prayers.

@poltronafrau

2 жыл бұрын

AND YOU'RE STILL ALIVE?!?!

@theoneandonlyroelle

2 жыл бұрын

I have a good friend with the same issue.

@leonardolemos7542

2 жыл бұрын

Bro, pretty sure according to Molly Malone ( or something idk) you were supposed to be in the hospital these last months.

@ProperlyGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yep most cases of myocarditis goes down exactly like this. Yeah can it be bad and harmful and leave someone in the hospital for a little while, sure but its extremely rare and usually bed rest for a couple of days is all you need

We all know how much of an expert on medicine Joe Rogan is. This caller was in way over his head. 🤣

I love debating people who get angry. I stoke it every way I can. And I stay smirkingly calm the whole time.

"Your side is afraid to debate!" Angry Rogan guy confidently asserts without irony as Sam spends a half an hour debating him. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Bickle121

2 жыл бұрын

He kept getting annoyed when he wasn’t allowed to talk for the whole show

@humblenugget

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bickle121 sam literally shut up for almost the entire second half, and then he called him out for a "great argument" when sam said he heard the study he gave him

@Bickle121

2 жыл бұрын

@@humblenugget I was talking about the caller

@scourgeofsnackind

Жыл бұрын

its impossible to reason with these people. they are literally too stupid and fanatical in their medieval psychotic ideology to be reasoned with, its the intelligent thing to regard them as stupid trolls that aren't worth talking to.

This guy had me laughing each time he lost his cool!!! 😂

Caller: "You won't let me get out a complete thought!!!!!!" Caller: Proceeds to interrupt at EVERY opportunity. Caller: States something. Sam: "Yes" Caller: That's a great argument. This is CLASSIC narcissism. Playing victim while doing the very thing they are claiming to be victim of, and leveraging emotional belittlement to establish dominance.

Angry dude is gonna have an MI. And they say women are emotional. Calm down, sweetie.

This dude should know (as a doctor) peer reviewed studies are more valuable then screaming assertions.

@scottgrohs5940

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he’s not a doctor. Doctors don’t often use fallacious appeals to authority either.

@jakejonas7366

2 жыл бұрын

hes a Dr in Bullshitology

@RV3G4

2 жыл бұрын

Actually that’s false. Some people think just because they carry the “doctor” title, they are entitled to making assertions such as the one(s) this caller made. If he was an actual medical physician, this call would’ve been much more concerning to hear

@snoglydox

2 жыл бұрын

@@RV3G4 : *It depends on what kind of doctor he was.*

@RV3G4

2 жыл бұрын

@@snoglydox on the matter of vaccines, the only ‘doctors’ actually talking about this should be legally licensed medical physicians. The people who actually administer, research and study these matters.

I've spent a decent amount of time talking and working in labs with doctors whom were chemists and biologists and I can assure you, when you do a study, it must be peer reviewed. At least five doctors in your respective field must look at your methods, your results, and be able to replicate your experiment with the same conditions and report similar findings. If they can't, you are full of it. This guy just wanted to defend his God and only made himself look like a lunatic in the process.

@jasjfl

2 жыл бұрын

This isn't quite true. I'm in year 4 of a chemical biology Ph.D. and actually being able to replicate experiments is a big problem in biological sciences especially. There was a recent review in Nature where a group went through trying to replicate highly cited experiments, and I can't remember the number but a shocking amount could not be repeated. This is because the requirements to get into top journals are so high now that it usually requires 10-20 scientists doing specialized work in collaboration making it difficult for anyone else to pull together that much expertise just to check their work. Others replicating your experiments is definitely not a requirement for publication. Also, this caller isn't entirely wrong about peer review. Bio and medrxiv exist so that important work can be put out there quickly prior to peer review. Scientists monitor these websites and read and consider the work. But you do that knowing full well that it still needs review. Scientists well versed in the field can filter a preprint fairly well so it's still valuable. That being said, this caller is an idiot and I doubt his ability to read an scientific paper, reviewed or otherwise.

@adinakruijssen3056

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasjfl does peer review necessarily mean or require replication?

@tolu9838

2 жыл бұрын

@@adinakruijssen3056 Yes, that is why we can believe it. We can replicate at anytime and get the same results....IF its science.

@mechanomics2649

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasjfl I'm not sure why you're bringing up publication as to why the caller wasn't entirely wrong about peer-review. Sam wasn't using publication as credibility, he specifically used peer-review. The person you're replying to clearly wasn't talking about publication either, again they're talking about peer-review. Your comment reads like you're under the impression that peer-review and publication are interchangeable. They are not. Of course peer-review isn't perfect and some things fall through the cracks, but it's the most reliable thing a layman can use. That said, you mentioned a Nature study on replicating experiments without giving any figures. You say "shocking amount" but this can mean anything. Given your misuse of peer-review, we don't even know if said study is relevant, as you did not specify whether or not these experiments are part of peer-reviewed papers.

@gnubbiersh647

2 жыл бұрын

are people replicating these big vaccine safety studies? seems like only the manufacturers have the resources to do that

I like how, when asked to make his point he immediately gets defensive and starts lecturing Sam on how debates and citation work.

Calling him "Doctor" was the funniest shit omg

This guy was on the brink of crying far to often

@the_endgame

2 жыл бұрын

he was/is clearly unstable

@maybemablemaples2144

2 жыл бұрын

@jcorb the Dragon of Chaos is a cruel mistress 😔👌🏿

Ooooo nonono this guy embarrassed himself so much worse than I could ever imagine! I feel sorry for Sam that he had to put himself through that for the content lol.

@bobjob3632

2 жыл бұрын

I could go to work naked and not embarrass me that bad!!!!

@drewparker4931

2 жыл бұрын

Sam was in heaven don't worry lol

@tbohn10

2 жыл бұрын

Sam loves it

@tomnowicki8881

2 жыл бұрын

He has a full on show. He didn’t put himself through anything to get the content. All he has to do is get the producer to clip it and post it. There done

Wow, I'd love to debate Sam Seder, but I can't think of any issue where I would not agree with him.

This guy is like the biggest clown who's called in for YEARS.

@eljoel89

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know, the Men's Rights Activist guy was pretty bad.

@Tmanaz480

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the clip of the caller yelling "hey hey hey!" On the fun half montage.

@mwmulv

2 жыл бұрын

@@eljoel89 oh i may have missed that one, surprisingly. Maybe have to find it now.

Typical right winger.. The crazy hypocrisy constantly.. "Stop cutting me off and let me talk".. Then continues to interrupt and speak over Sam while also not letting him talk...