If world class is judged based on truphies, then Harry Kane is not world class

@FabriceTuyizere-us2hb

3 ай бұрын

Facts

@maxmaxie1328

3 ай бұрын

Did you count world cup quater final penalty miss... Your world class...😂

@markmutale9313

3 ай бұрын

That bottle job. If kane goes trophyless at the most dominant German team then he's a disgrace. 11x in a row until him and Dier show up

@shaukiekiv9983

3 ай бұрын

​@@maxmaxie1328Ur world class can't even start on the national team wen those who are not start instead

@guedrini2045

15 күн бұрын

Trophies are not the ONLY metric to be considered world class but it is most definitely part of the consideration. You can’t just discard all trophies when judging a player cause even tho they aren’t everything they are undoubtedly still worth something

Culture Cams brings such important commentary to these discussions. He’s knowledgeable, collected and adds a level of impartiality that is sometimes missing. This and the Overlap are head and shoulders above any other UK football podcasts out there.

@kellyoniha9642

3 ай бұрын

Nah...Stratford paddock sucks. They are all boring

@kellyoniha9642

3 ай бұрын

I agree. Culture CAMS, imo, is the best youtube analyst seen so far.

@E2JMusic

3 ай бұрын

@@disrupt_istStretford paddock predicted Arsenal would finish 8th…

@JR01015

3 ай бұрын

*The Overlap?! 😂😂😂 Overlap is absolutely 💩*

@E2JMusic

3 ай бұрын

@@disrupt_ist I think that was due to losing Saliba, Partey and Zinchenko. Honestly I’m even thinking Arsenal could win the league this season…

Saka has carried Arsenal so much since his teenage years, you need to realise this is a player that his team completely relies upon, he barely misses a game, rarely gets rested cos hes so important to the team, i dont think City can rely on Foden same way Arsenal rely on Saka

@quintonbakani3464

3 ай бұрын

yeah but thats because Arsenal has no worldclass players that can play play Saka role, while Man city does

@ayell91

3 ай бұрын

​@@quintonbakani3464which mancity players can bench saka?

@londonmmc

3 ай бұрын

@@quintonbakani3464his point is as gifted as Foden is, we don’t see him carrying a side like Saka has. Saka has so much impact, he might not be as naturally gifted but he’s effective af, goes forward, defends, he’s relentless

@halidmusah5334

3 ай бұрын

@@londonmmcit’s just cos arsenal don’t have a back up for Saka. In Foden’s positions ( which is midfield and wings) we had players like mahrez, gundogan,Bernardo in same position as well and still Foden managed to get the numbers starting from bench. When we had injury crisis this season where most of our staters in such positions were out, we all saw how Foden carried the team

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

@@londonmmc Palmer carries a worse side than Saka so is he better than Saka?

Saka is a winger, Foden is a CAM who is played on the wing because of Silva but is most dangerous centrally. Saka is more effective on the wings and his numbers back that up. We won't see Fodens true potential until he is played centrally consistantly. So the debate should be who is better Silva or Foden?

@BlackChrishi

3 ай бұрын

I've thought that about Foden before but I think Pep doesn't see him to primarily be a CAM

@alexbrown975

3 ай бұрын

@@BlackChrishi he does his best work centrally. I think he would be a great false 9 or a partner for Haaland. Pep trusts other players more in those positions, so Foden is often pushed out wide. The Saka Vs Foden debate frustrates me because they are different players. Saka is more effective and consistent whilst Foden looks silky on the ball and his best moments come from central positions. His inconsistency is because he is rarely played there. Personally I think he lacks the tenacity of Silva or Odegaard and that's why Pep doesn't trust him.

@jh4892

3 ай бұрын

Silva is miles better than Foden

@alexbrown975

3 ай бұрын

@@jh4892 that's because he is graceful and tenacious at the same time. Very much like Odegaard at Arsenal. Foden lacks tenacity and decision making at times and that is why he is pushed out onto the wings. Then whenever Foden has a good game we have this stupid debate about whether he is better than Saka. Fortunately it doesn't happen often 🤣

@adamabdulrahman2930

3 ай бұрын

@alexbrown. Odegaard is levels below Foden.

"we know Gareth Southgate rewards people on merit..." Seriously Five needs to introduce drug testing and VAR after comments like that - Maguire, Henderson, Phillips all there on merit?

@jaketeall9665

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think you and then 30 people that liked this understand the meaning of ‘on merit’

@TonberryKing_

3 ай бұрын

Explain it then, if it's so deep. @@jaketeall9665

@JoshAFC

3 ай бұрын

Yes... Maguire has been solid for England barely put a foot wrong. Henderson has been hugely important for years. And Phillips was the player of the tournament before lol

@HarryKanee

3 ай бұрын

​@@JoshAFCthese have no clue just so biased looking for something to fit their Southgate agenda

I respect the Rashford “132 G/A’s by 22” however… Saka was a left back and Rashford has had tens of games at CF lol.

@ayodejiamola1419

3 ай бұрын

The rashford 132 goal and assist is not true His whole season was calculated but he already turn 23 buy October and season ends by may /june Saka is still 22 and will turn 23 September which is still next season So people should have thier facts right before going public with it

@E2JMusic

3 ай бұрын

@@ayodejiamola1419so the guy lied? Damn

Thank you for ending the debate Kam said it perfectly!

Is Saka as good as Salah? If the answer is yes then he's world class, if it's no then he isn't. Is Foden as good as KDB? If the answer is yes then he's world class, if it's no then he isn't. You need to be on the level of the players in the tier to be considered world class.

@HNB444

3 ай бұрын

This is actually a perfect way to describe it - I've never seen someone lay it out like that. They're both otw but it's prob too early for both of them to be truly world class

@kingshango796

3 ай бұрын

@@HNB444 actually not, yes Salah and KDB are two of the top if not the top players in their position in world football, sure there must be some world class players out there in their position thats just not at their level but world class still. Imho

@Nightsu

3 ай бұрын

@@kingshango796 example?

@HNB444

3 ай бұрын

@@kingshango796 maybe but in general world class is world class - once you're in that realm it's all preference. Is Vini as good as Mo? Is Modric as good as KDB? Depends on how you see the game. They're close enough and that's the point.

@slyarsenal

3 ай бұрын

MBappe Haaland Salah is the world class front 3

Naaa Joel was saying saka is world class 😂😂 coming on this lying lool

The fact that Foden has been the most influential player at City this season is mad given the stars that are in that team. Fans of the red clubs are never logical when it comes to anything related to City. If Saka was at City he would be far behind in his development because he was benched a lot given the talent City has. An example of that is Cole Palmer, he left City coz he wasn't being played and went to Chelsea where he plays. look what he is doing. Its hard for young players at City but Foden has managed to become one of the most important players at City

@primetimeab3216

3 ай бұрын

What idiot comment lmaooo

@JoshAFC

3 ай бұрын

No he'd have been cities starting right winger since Mahrez faded. He is levels above foden. Yes foden has a better technique and is more aesthetic.... Saka is just devastatingly efficient and always makes the right choice and that's why every manager starts him every game.

@JoshAFC

3 ай бұрын

But if foden was at arsenal, do you think he carries us like saka did? I very much doubt he has the maturity and game intelligence...

@omariblake21

3 ай бұрын

This is why fans out there should leave social media abit . Saka wouldn’t have started over Bernado Silva all these years until this season !! When Foden started to play regularly at city he was 19/20 and sane , Sterling , Mahrez , KDB , David and Bernado Silva where still in the team . There is no player in that list who Saka would have benched . Foden is a better overall football player and versatile which is why he was able to play on the wing despite not being a winger and benched Sterling in 2020/21 season and was one of the best players in the world that year at 20 years with a goal or assist all the way to the UCL final . Saka isn’t versatile and wouldn’t bench Mahrez mate. Wouldn’t bench sane . Foden had to compete with world class players . Saka had no competition at Arsenal that’s why he plays .

@samkkx

3 ай бұрын

​@@JoshAFC Mahrez faded?? Sake would be 3rd choice at City behind Mahrez and B. Silva.

Saying foden hasn’t done it in later rounds of champions league and then names the goals he did in the later rounds of the champions league 😂

Iv seen play Saka as a 10, I think it was vs wolves a few seasons ago and was brilliant. Saka all round game is very underrated! He’s consistently getting doubled up! He’s going to get better. Fodan is easier on the eye! But talent wise there’s not much difference

@james59044

2 ай бұрын

Foden better

@probmcgee

2 ай бұрын

Talent wise foden is clear. If city set up to play as heavily through foden as arsenal do saka would the numbers not be similar? I think they would

🔴 Cams speaks FACTS! Broke it down properly. Neither are world class right now. Both top players but not there yet. I like Rio but I think Rio has his Arsenal agenda like all the ex utd players. They're all hating becaaue Arsenal are doing well and utd are not. Neville included! It's causing unnecessary pressures for these young players. Let them thrive. Why rush it like Cams said. Personally I think the Arsenal agenda also needs to stop from some of these ex players / pundits because its going passed banter. 🔴

@jacobalexander4167

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, I'm an arsenal fan and to me both players aren't world class, if halaand and kdb gets injured for the rest of the season, I don't see foden winning the prem and ucl for city, saka to me feels like he has more responsibility on his shoulders than foden

Ferdinand anti Arsenal comments about SAKA it’s an absolute certainty if he was at Utd he would say the complete opposite,there is no discussion SAKA owns that position on the right

@Iamageniusru1982

3 ай бұрын

Exactly bro

Love Harry's inputs, always make great moments :)

Yall sleeping on Phils impact without him we wouldn’t be so close to the top of the table this Szn and Saka is a baller but different system different clubs stop acting like Phil didn’t destroy everything on the wings one Season because he got injured last Season doesn’t mean he’s not clinical as Saka… and the Reason Rio said phil is world class is because he can play 5 positions …. I never see a debate when ppl say Saka is better but because it’s the other way around 😅 bias

If trophies make you world class, than Kalvin Philips is also world class and Harry Kane is not.

@maxmaxie1328

3 ай бұрын

World cup quarter final is flashing in front my eyes..😂😂

Foden can play any attacking position and he is the most talented player in the history of England!

“Why do people want to rush things” is the best comment. We are in a generation where we don’t allow players to actually do things in this game. Let them grow in this game and actually let time do what times going to do 🗣️

@guedrini2045

15 күн бұрын

Agreed neither of them are world class yet from an overall perspective. If we’re talking ab current form I think both are world class in this moment, but overall it’s way too early to state that

World class argument is such a pub argument

Foden has 4 G/A less than Saka in the prem. Saka has played 42 games more than Foden if you go by minutes played. So that notion that Foden doesn't have the stats like Saka is false.

Let's not kid ourselves, haalland should have won young player of the season last season not saka

@Wil_ydl

3 ай бұрын

Exactly!!! They just wanted to compensate Saka lol

@o0musique0o

3 ай бұрын

Maybe check the criteria for winning the PFA Young Player of the Year before typing 👊

@Ryland94

3 ай бұрын

@@o0musique0o haaland got player of the season and was young enough to be in young player of the season! So how does saka get it if haaland was player of the season over all other players?? Put those two half a brain cells together so you've got one fully working one before typing! 🔔 end

@Edbwalz

3 ай бұрын

He's English

Well said guys. You should give a lesson to rio though

Man talking like Saka hasn’t been a ghost in half of the games of this season. He always got that assist or goal that put a facade to his overall performance. In 2024, he recovered performance wise and now everybody’s saying that my man performed the same way during the whole season. Absolutely ridiculous. Arsenal fans were calling him to be dropped 80% of this season… Joel is silent as always and the other 2 are Man UTD fans that probably didn’t watch most Arsenal games

@shaukiekiv9983

3 ай бұрын

He has double digits in goals and assists this ghosting season

I think a world class player is any who can walk into any team in the world and start right away or give the manager a selection headache irrespective of who was playing in the position before he came. Harry Kane hasn't won anything but if he walks into any team in the world right now, he will start or be in contention for starting a match irrespective of which striker they have. Same for Vigil, Alisson, Salah, Rodri, KDB, Bruno Fernandes, Saliba, Rice, Vinicius, Jude Bellingham etc.

@guedrini2045

15 күн бұрын

The flaw with the method is that foden would be considered world class due to being able to play LW, CAM, RW, and false 9 and still be at his best, while At the same time saka wouldn’t start ahead of salah ruling him not world class. On current form I think they’re both world class but overall I don’t think either are world class just quite yet.

I think the definition of "world class" can apply in 2 very different ways - 1st is undeniable and retrospective, based on personal, team and national achievements combined. 2nd way (which might apply to Saka), is whether a player would be first choice and improve any team on the planet right now! Do you agree or disagree peeps? x

If you actually look at their career stats, Foden (23) has contributed goals and assists at a much higher rate than Saka (22) despite playing less overall minutes. Foden City career stats 15,212 minutes 253 games 75 goals 51 assists G/A every 120.73 minutes Saka Arsenal career stats 16,333 minutes 210 games 51 goals 53 assists G/A every 157.04 minutes *Foden has more games than Saka because he came off the bench for years at City before becoming a regular starter. So he’s picked up more appearances than Saka despite playing less minutes.

@3bladeninja21

3 ай бұрын

What position did Saka start his career in at Arsenal though?

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

@@3bladeninja21 precisely. He started at LB, he doesn’t get called up from the youth squad as a LB at City.

*Agree with Cams. Neither Saka or Foden are world class. But in terms of pecking order, Saka is ahead right now.*

Im a Barca fan but the the Saka/Foden discourse is hilarious. People think that Foden is more technical and Saka is the one that relies more on Pace & Power, when in reality it’s the exact opposite. Saka is better at receiving and operating in tight spaces, better at combining with teammates, better deliveries and more creative. Foden is much more explosive. Superior at receiving and playing in big spaces, far quicker in transition, more powerful shooter. Not to say that Saka is not athletic or that Foden is not excellent technically, which they both are, but the public perception of both has it so so wrong, purely because Foden’s receiving and dribbling style is more aesthetically pleasing. 0 actual analysis goes into it.

@dontchatbreeze

3 ай бұрын

ur actually right here, foden looks better on the eye than saka due to his dribbling style. But saka is very effective, dangerous and almost always causes goalscoring opporutnities. Based on attacking and chances created statistics over the past 2 years, saka is actually one of the best rw in europe. Saka has excellent crossing placement and great striking technique aswell which he has now displayed many times with outside the box finishes. Foden is definitely more explosive, and this is what makes his style of play more easy on the eye. more time you will see him suddenly lose his man then accelerate into the box to latch onto a pass and finish a goal.

Question... would you consider Van Dijk a world class ? Because people was calling him world class after his 1st season playing for liverpool and trying to say he was better defender than Maldini.. How can he be world class after his 1st season... noone going around saying Ruben Dias is world class after winning the treble..

If Bukayo played at City he would not be the same player he is now for Arsenal. 1stly at Arsenal he was allowed the room to develop as a RW he was played when he was in and out of form. The team is built around him even when he has a stinker he will still get game time and that will has helped him develop into an elite RW. On the other hand Foden plays for a team with elite players in every position. He is not the room to have stinkers back to back as soon he is not performng he is benched. Saka is a better right winger than Foden at moment but I think the same would be said about him if he played for City. Both players are Elite Foden edges it slightly because of his versatility and how good he is in all those positions. Both are not at the stage of World Class but you feel they are few seasons away from getting into that bracket. Bukayo is consistently producing brilliant numbers and his overall game is improving while Phil is slowly looking like he is taking over as the main man at City after KDB.

The debate is good but you guys forgot Phil foden can Play in both RW and Attacking midfield which saka can never 😂😂

@sfinesse7

3 ай бұрын

Saka can play rw lwb and lw his early days proved dat

@migi6556

3 ай бұрын

Saka played LWB, LW, RW. so what's your point?

@jh4892

3 ай бұрын

​@@migi6556he even played as an 8 for Arsenal against City, when Arsenal were crap -and he played excellent as well.

@samopio3175

3 ай бұрын

Salah, robben ??

@suleimanmrlee7761

3 ай бұрын

Saka plays at left back for arsenal for almost a season, he played right wing , centrally many times. I think u don't watch Arsenal and premier league. what you just write sumed you Up.

my definition of world class is, can this player play for his country at the world cup. period. This all other non existing definitions are neither here nor there, they have no basis and no merit. Saka is world class, Foden is world class.

@feimanworld

3 ай бұрын

Does that go for every player who players in The World Cup?

I would argue with Rio’s point that it’s the team not Foden, from Rio’s argument, anyone that plays for City is world class which isn’t the case. Neither should be in the conversation about being world class. They’ve got a way to go before they get to those levels.

@samkkx

3 ай бұрын

On the flip side you don't start for city as consistently as foden if you aren't world class. You need to be levels above everyone else just to start at City. You could see it with Cole Palmer Kalvin Phillips. Martinelli would have a better chance of starting for City than Foden because of his work rate. Saka is left free by Arteta in Arsenal... only KDB is allowed that in City's team.

The first question is," what is world class" that you say foden or saka is world class? It's hilarious how people say world class so easy.

@TonberryKing_

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. People just like to over hype everything nowadays.

The question is ridiculous. Foden plays more positions than Saka and plays in Champions League very good.

@jh4892

3 ай бұрын

What does playing in lots of positions mean? Kane only plays upfront - is Foden better than him? 😂. Also, look what Saka has done in the UCL, against teams better than Copenhagen too 💀

@21DMN

3 ай бұрын

@@jh4892 No, he is compared to Saka who is not as versatile. He can play right or left winger and attacking midfielder which is the position where he does best. Saka has not been seen competing with top teams in the Champions League because Arsenal have never reached the semi-finals.

@jh4892

3 ай бұрын

@@21DMN versatility doesn't mean much. KDB only plays in one position for City - despite being able to play many - because he's the most effective in that position. Foden only gets moved around so much because he's not as good as the others in Pep's eyes. The only reason he's got more minutes this season is because those better players have been injured/ moved on

@jh4892

3 ай бұрын

@@21DMN furthermore, what has Foden done against the top teams in the UCL and Prem? He was on the bench for most of City's games last season. And Saka has outshone him in the league and on the international scene many times over. He was the best player on the pitch against France and all of their talent in the world cup. What did Foden do that game? 😂

@markn7519

3 ай бұрын

​@@jh4892 Foden has had top class performances against Dortmund, PSG, Ahtletico Madrid, Leipzig, etc. Where was Saka when Arsenal failed to beat Sporting?

Clip it up. JoeL literally said Saka was world class on Vibe with 5 this week...

Foden UCL 20/21 and 21/22 is enough indication for him he’s clear

Saka has better stats than vini overall in the last 3 years in a much harder league. But yeah vini is world class

Great talk but the comparison rodrygo vs saka i got one thing to say, rodrygo is playing RW but that’s not his position his position is LW him doing that in his opposite wing is incredible

these gents talk lots of sense well done Gentle men, i take my hats off the discussion was very professional. You must teach those boys at "Filthy Fellas" how to have discussions, i don't know if they are drunk half the time or what. They are never sober.

One thing people don't understand is how tough it is to get into a City as Foden or United as Neville. Both Saka and Foden are great but I think foden has a higher cealing.

@amakaokoye7289

3 ай бұрын

so Saka wouldnt get into Mancity team?...lol

@Deadmansworld14

3 ай бұрын

Based of what has foden ever shown a higher potential than saka I'm genuinely asking.

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

@@Deadmansworld14 watch the, both. It’s clear as day

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@amakaokoye7289 Saka doesn’t get in

@shaukiekiv9983

3 ай бұрын

​@@CR7_THEGOAT777and wic number on the wing can't saka start in city

It was only last week Joel was waffling about Saka being world class to Rio and Ste, now all of a sudden, none of em are world class😂

I think people are using the wrong analogy, there is a difference btw world class and Elite... Foden and saka are both world class both not yet Elite, Elite is consistency similar to KDB & CR7

I said here before euro 2021 that Saka is better and more effective than Foden, and Saka went on to proof it at the competition (euro 21 and the world cup) by putting Foden on the bench. If you give Pep Saka y'all including Rio will shut up. Pep can't trust Foden. Foden is smooth, Porsche but he's no Lionel Messi. Saka is more effective forget talent. "Talent is not enough." CR7

The disrespect on Saka’s name is crazy. Arsenal are the “bottlers” that nobody respects whether we do well or not, imo, both of them are very very good at what they do, if Foden wasn’t as good, he wouldn’t play in City, and if Saka wasn’t as good, they wouldn’t be doubling or tripling up on them so for me, they’re either both world class or they aren’t. If you don’t agree, it’s my opinion so I really don’t give a f**k🤷🏾‍♂️

Rio, your employees are keeping it real with you😂😂😂

Na Rodrygo for me the man single handedly sent city packing and when vini had being injured rodry has stepped up man

@renegordonsoccer

3 ай бұрын

and rodrygo best performances are from the left

@StewieArt89

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Rodrygo was never given the chances Saka have gotten to become a main stay in his team, Rodrygo literally played his was into his stay in the Madrid team

@Shane-ju7op

3 ай бұрын

Facts

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

Rodrygo is an average player

Rodrygo has done it in champions league 2 seasons ago snatching the match under the nose of Pep and then winning it. Let's see if Saka can do it.

@Shane-ju7op

3 ай бұрын

Factts

@jacobalexander4167

3 ай бұрын

So one moment makes a player world class?

@Shane-ju7op

3 ай бұрын

@jacobalexander4167 one moment? 🤣 No! You've not watched him. He's done that all season scoring Goals....The next Game vs A.Madrid he scored

@jacobalexander4167

3 ай бұрын

@@Shane-ju7op so does that put him in the same category as C Ronaldo, ribery, robben etc that were doing it week in week out

@Shane-ju7op

3 ай бұрын

@jacobalexander4167 We ate talking about Saka 🤣🤣🤣...Is saka better then Rodrygo... Where did Cr7 and Co come from....

The problem here is that neither are world class. So saying that one is, and one isn't has caused the outrage.

Culture Can 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 well spoken broski

I think maybe Rio was talking about the performances in the CL. Put in good performances against PSG in the CL Semis, Scored against Madrid, winner against dortmund. Saka genuinely just hasn’t had the opportunity

Its hilarious thatthe argument surrounding City players is always "they play for City of course they're going to win trophies" yet so little City players get called world class. Why do they win so much if none of them are world class? 😂

Saka was starting for England as left back, left wing back, right back. First two seasons he was playing as left back at Arsenal by the way.

The new Messi vs Ronaldo, i love this.

@maxmaxie1328

3 ай бұрын

What happen to Messi Ronaldo?

They wrong for thinking Saka is on Rodrygos level 💀

@jh4892

3 ай бұрын

He's above Rodrygos level. Rodrygo can't even match his numbers in Spain 😂

@lordrevilo7935

3 ай бұрын

@@jh4892 "Even in Spain" La Liga is just as good as the PL, but youre probably brainwashed like most by the british media. Sociedad dominated and beat United last season and they are just better, simply put

@jh4892

3 ай бұрын

@@lordrevilo7935 ok and united beat Barcelona last season over two legs - the champions of Spain. Sociedad certainly wouldn't beat a Liverpool or City over two legs. And City destroyed Real Madrid if i remember correctly

@mitchlenton2400

3 ай бұрын

@@jh4892 you’ve got absolutely 0 ball knowledge.

@Freestyla-

3 ай бұрын

@@lordrevilo7935Lol come on man, the leagues are worlds apart. Rodrygo is definitely better than saka tho

Young Phil is a classy as fook wherever He plays, Saka has been getting very good in the last year or so, not players who play the same game, . If I choose, it's young Phil, top player and only getting better

@Iamageniusru1982

3 ай бұрын

"Getting good in the last year or so?" 😂

@harrypinero where did you get your jacket from fam!?

@coach_pt_zee

3 ай бұрын

Lacoste is the brand

@KingGunnerKurt

3 ай бұрын

@@coach_pt_zee I know bro...... I was giving a compliment to his jacket. Just so that I'm clear 👍

I hinm there is a bit lf an eye test to w ppl judge world class as well… and while trophies def help the case its moreso a comfirmation to world class but not the ingredients… neither playerd total body of work YET warrants world class… its only Salah currently

You guys are getting it all wrong. Saka was never a left back. He played as left back couple of times but he was not a left back.

It's clear that Rodri is the most influential based off the results in his absence. Foden is for the first time, being relied on consistently. Saka has been relied on heavily for multiple seasons. He has performed in every test he was given from early on. Also outperforms Foden for England. World Class is someone with the ability to transfer his abilities regardless of where they play. Foden needs players like KDB, Silva and even Alvarez to take on responsibility. Neither are world class, but Foden just won't show his true potential like this. It seems to me that Guardiola doesn't rate him the way the fans do. And he knows more.

I want to first say, all this judging and categorisation is just all for fun. You absolutely have to put a definition to the categories. Keep in mind, there's really nothing at stake, and it's already very subjective. You could quantifiably assess each player, but if you choose to do that, it's still up to personal value. The way I judge it is that "World-class" is as if you put together a couple of squads who could compete for an all-star world title, or whatever you want to call it. In my head, I think of World-class players (Mbappe, Kane, Salah, Haaland, De Bruyne, Modric, Bellingham, Messi, etc.); Continental-class players, who probably rotate in and out of that bracket based on form (Son Heung-Min, De Ligt, Bernardo Silva, Musiala, Trent, Emilio Martinez, etc.) - I put Saka and Foden in this bracket - and; Top-class players, who I wouldn't quite make put in a continent's class (Nunez, Rice, Richarlison, De Jong, Gnabry, etc.).

Rio had a stinker. Neither are world class. Although Foden has put in a couple of world class performances. To be world class you need to be playing at one of the best teams competing for trophies and be indispensable to your team. If you’re an attacking playing your need to be consistently doing bits in clutch situations.

@Amberle73

3 ай бұрын

Funny thing is, if you put aside the bias that's exactly what Saka is doing. Arsenal might not have won any major trophies lately, but they are competing for them.

@mrbossman6811

3 ай бұрын

Saka was in the top 25 footballer in the world for Ballondor and yet people still don’t think he’s world class. Laughable.

@ammarbaagu

3 ай бұрын

Soo when Haaland and KDB was injured, wasn't Foden indispensable for City? Even who those 2 are back today, wasn't Foden still indispensable? Hatrick vs Brentford for comeback, 2 G/A vs Copenhagen?

@bambo1985

3 ай бұрын

Sorry guys I forgot to add over a prolonged period. I think when everyone is fit Foden doesn’t always start. I think he will eventually reach the level. But I do think we hand out these accolades too quickly these days

@bambo1985

3 ай бұрын

@@ammarbaagu like you said when those players are injured. Answered your own question

The age old debate of Potential Vs Effectiveness. I watch both teams and if it's a debate about who is better on the wings then it's not even close. But if it's a debate about who has won the most trophies then its Phil Neville, I mean Foden 😂

@fwalangakazau3770

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Neville catching strays

@alexbrown975

3 ай бұрын

@@fwalangakazau3770 Foden is about as essential to Citehs success as Phillip Neville was to United.

@FM00771

3 ай бұрын

@@alexbrown975 LOL... you're such a delulu 🤣🤣🤣

Why are Brits so obsessed with "WoRLd CLaSS??"..There's no defintion for it so who cares, lmao. Saka is a better winger and Foden is better centrally.

Had to stop listening after that Gary Neville waffle. Talking about him like he was some sort of utility player. Gary Neville was absolutely world class for a number of years, don't let his self deprecating nonsense convince you otherwise.

These man only watch Prem. Rodrygo has been a bit of monster low-key for 3 years now... Vinicius will have problems with Mbappe

Its even stupid how an England best player couldn't be a world class? Rio his thinking level even strategically wrong. I can't believe he still defend this nonsense.

Saka on present display is WORLD CLASS! Foeden is also world class on present display

exactly! let them two enjoy their football, why are people so quick to compare players. It's like people just want to prove to other fanbases they have the better player. relaxxx man.

I think it’s a difficult argument. Saka is arsenals most important player but hasn’t won the prem or the champions league. While foden plays for city and has won both but is a more of a rotational player. Meaning that with or without him they probably still would’ve won. I think it comes to down to their individual attributes because they play in two completely different teams. It’s also unfair to foden because he plays everywhere for city while Saka plays solely on the right. I prefer foden and I think he’s better technically though

Yesterday's game against Man United proved Foden is on his way to becoming world-class than Saka.

Question, is it easier to break through in star stacked team or a mediocre team?

@Josh890_0

3 ай бұрын

Arsenal total team value surpass man city

@njabulomashilwane4731

3 ай бұрын

What does value have to do with anything here? And in any case was that the case when they both broke through their respective teams?

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

Don’t use logic. It’s not allowed here

@shaukiekiv9983

3 ай бұрын

It bases on wic team u a at that time if Foden was in arsenal he would have broke through and even saka at City it would have been the same but both were where they are now

The first guy nailed it down. More sense that most so called pundits

Think of it like this. If England are in a world cup game against France, does anyone really believe the French manager and players are losing sleep the night before because they have to come up against Saka or Foden? Lol cmon. They're good players, but a long way to go before being considered world class.

The problem is that they play different positions thats y it doesn't make sense even they are in teams with different levels and they are of different years

I feel if foden was at Liverpool, arsenal, spurs or Chelsea, he'd nothing more than just a talented player, but because of his trophy cabinet he's sometimes over exaggerated

Guys, two seasons ago, Saka and Smith Row ensured Arsenal didn't finish in the second part of the table.

No debate….Saka is better, but hey Foden is a fantastic player. World class is subjective ffs…it’s an opinion and the influencer world have to debate it, for likes. Both fantastic players and England are blessed to have them both.

Facts: according to transfer market, Saka valued at 120mil and Foden 110mil. You got the answer

It’s ok Rio. I’m an Arsenal fan & you ain’t wrong. Tired of these deluded fans that don’t know ball.

Saka has more goals and assists in his first 200 games then Ronaldo, 51 goals 50 assists put some respect on saka name, what's foden record first 200 games 😂 , hate for arsenal is jokes, saka is better then foden, the numbers don't lie

@layla.451

3 ай бұрын

thank you.

do you know who’s world class VINI 😂😂😂 fr

the very same Saka that keeps Foden on the bench in the national team. and winning the best player for the national twice in row.

Neither are world class. As a winger, I prefer Saka. As an overall attacker, I prefer Foden and think he's the more complete attacker. It's like Haaland vs Mbappe argument, Haaland is the better striker, but Mbappe is the better and more complete attacker. Foden and Mbappe also pass the eye test more than Haaland and Saka.

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

If Foden and Saka are not world class then neither is Vini or Bellingham

@awfan221

3 ай бұрын

@@CR7_THEGOAT777 Of course a CR7 fanboy has an awful football take, not even surprised by your comment. Let me guess, you judge world class by the number of followers they have on Instagram?

@sammypie5501

3 ай бұрын

​@@CR7_THEGOAT777only vini is world class

@CR7_THEGOAT777

3 ай бұрын

@@sammypie5501 nope

No one is saying Saka is world class. You are saying Foden is closer to world class. Jesus Christ!!

Could have played that video at the beginning and saved time but glad you didn't as it perfectly displays the Arsenal fans

Both are good players. But Foden is a better 'baller'. Technical, finishing, movement, all that. I believe everybody is thinking too much about the word 'world-class' in the football world. 'When someone says, 'world-class', I just think a good player (more than your average player). It's just a generic word for an absolutely good player.

UCL matches won since 2010 : Foden : 37 Arsenal : 32

@juuglord8509

3 ай бұрын

That is a meaningless stat.

@inokebaravilala258

3 ай бұрын

@juuglord8509 this is a stat to show u Foden alone is greater than ur trash club

@juuglord8509

3 ай бұрын

@@inokebaravilala258 Is that why you wrote 'since 2010'?

@inokebaravilala258

3 ай бұрын

@juuglord8509 yeah, coz Foden was 13 yrs old in 2010 lol, came in 2017 and won more than ur club since 2010 🤣

@juuglord8509

3 ай бұрын

@@inokebaravilala258 Nah your stat was UCL matches won since 2010. Why stop at 2010? what about before then? Foden must be bigger than City itself then, right?

when your conversation (argument) is supported by "if", think about another way of addressing your argument.

Dude wtf is a world class ? Give the criteria. Evryone argue as if there is a definitive definition for world class when it is subjective af.

Rio is Calvin Philips world class ? Kept the bench warm for city and allowed them to win the treble !

Neither of them are world class. Vini Jr, Mbappe, Salah, are world class. When you can honestly say Saka and Phoden are that level, then they'll be world class.

Rio's logic is flawed af here and he can't hack it. HARRY KANE is not world class by his reasoning.

A great insight into why pundits like Ferdinand and Neville are so bad. They talk and don’t listen.

The only people who say saka is worldclass is arsenal fans ask a man united Chelsea liverpool Tottenham fans they will all say foden is clear of saka

@vanessabennett4413

2 ай бұрын

Facts naturals would rather have foden

man don't even know where's his best position at man city and don't even a starter at england

These "world class" debates are so stupid. It's the same nonsense as the "big club" thing. What does world class even mean? They're arguing over a term that doesn't really have any meaning as there's no set criteria for a player to be recognised as world class or not. It's kind of just a football fans way of saying "this player is extremely good", which is ridiculously vague, and each of them probably have a different idea of what constitues a world class player anyway. Pointless discussion

Rio has just jinx this and now Saka is going to score a hat trick against Fcporto🤯🤯😪😪

I think we can say Harry Kane wasn't world class as a Spurs player by some people's arguments.