SA-Israel ICJ case | Vaughan Lowe KC
Vaughan Lowe KC explained that this case was brought under Article 9 of the Geneva Convenstion. Now we should only be concerned about provisional measures. The case has been made.
The ferocity, scale and speed can only be seen as intent, and Israel has publicly stated it will continue. The court must allow provisions if its likely to stop the genocidal actions from continuing. He also asked the court to preserve its integrity.
South Africa understands acts such as ethnic cleansing or war crimes are not always genocidal. This requires intent. But that the actions may overlap does not prevent a pronouncement of genocide.
The first request is for the suspension of military operations. This is the focus of the case. Israel say its target is Hamas, but the indiscriminate nature of the military campaign don’t support claim that Hamas are the target.
Prevention of aid is also proof that civilians are targets. Even the US has admitted too many civilians are being killed. Humanitarian ceasefire is the only way to get aid into Gaza. Israel says it’s trying to avoid civilian casualties, even as it uses dumb bombs etc. But the intention is key, and that’s when it becomes genocide.
One of the provisions is that the government of Israel is legally obliged to punish others to carry out such actions.
Lives are stake. Israel’s reputation is at stake. No free reporting, hence the request to preserve evidence. SA also asks for reports from Israel about what it is doing.
Israel used ‘self-defence’ as the reason to build the wall which it controls, and the barrier which it is now itself breaching. The UN has declared Gaza is an occupied territory, because Israel controls access and supplies. What Israel doing, it is doing in territory it controls. Therefore it is not self defence.
No matter how monstrous an action, genocide is never a permitted response. The publicly available evidence, and restriction of water, food, electricity etc, mean the government and the military is responsible (not the citizens or Jews). Nothing can ever justify genocide, no matter how great the threat, against a whole group of people.
Israel does not seem to see it has done anything wrong. And that could lead to awful consequences. The right to refer genocide to the ICJ is one of the keys in the original Geneva Convention document. States must respect the court and its procedural obligations.
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Thank you Vaughan Lowe, blessings to you and all RSA lawyers. Justice will prevail. Thank you South Africa.
If after hearing these brilliant people speak, if the international court doesn’t hold Israel accountable, than no one should have any faith with the international court as nothing but a sham.
@gold_elloitwave
4 ай бұрын
Definitely
@kronikhaze8674
4 ай бұрын
South Africa denied arresting Al Bashir when tge ICC had an arrest warrant against him. We ignore if it doesnt suit our narrative, but we are aligned with Russia and China and hate the west, so our corrupt leaders obviously hate the order of Israel. South africa is getting looted, we have the highest murder and rape rates in the world, thus us wanting to play moral arbiters is a joke.
Brilliant speech from KC and South Africa and ALL those supporting this justified action.
I can listen to SA defence over and over, common values, humanity, family, a fight against immeasurable injustice and suffering. Israel's poor defence justifying mass murder and destruction is just sickening
@jcmac3157
4 ай бұрын
Agreed
@katyharries2526
2 ай бұрын
I have listened many times. I am proud of their meticulous detailed work and for their articulate oral evidence. People of courage and integrity
The world listening now .Thanks to South African.
@user-rm4nk5uc4o
4 ай бұрын
Nothing on the British media
After hearing this brilliant man, hope is not lost. His speech was a definitive proof against the wicked israeli government and military
@santiedormehl3042
4 ай бұрын
0:23 0:44
@theelder5505
4 ай бұрын
Wait till you hear Israel, then learn how stupid the claim of SA will look like! 😂 Abduls, it appears that your Government don't know what genocide means. Here you go, back to school again.
@Estellebaatjes
4 ай бұрын
Genocide of farmers is genocide to our country, where government eyes and ears are closed ,is this justified. where are court cases about Julias malema insiting genocide wake up.start these court cases these everything will be justified. War is war people of palistininian was told by by Israel to move to safe places before bombings. Hama was using civilians as Shields see the real picture.
Great job in history of South Africa. Many thanks
I would want this man to be my lawyer for anything period!
I can listen to him all day. Well read and said as to the urgency to act to protect.
@Alidavd
4 ай бұрын
Hamas started this fight.
@michaelgoetze2103
4 ай бұрын
@@Alidavd That is not disputed.
@Nigelzenig
4 ай бұрын
@@Alidavd that is actually false because the dispute goes back to the 1940s. Ongoing. But even if it were the case they started it, are we in kindergarden? And also as barrister said nothing nothing can justify a genocide. And i for one am glad to agree with that.
@Aminah6623
4 ай бұрын
@@Alidavd How does that justify Israel's trying to kill off the Palestinian population in Gaza? You also forgot the part where Netanyahu supported and helped Hamas get stronger, so...
@doriszimmerman4409
4 ай бұрын
South Africa is hypocritical because it has not controlled the inexcusable killing and robbing of their own Dutch farmers by blacks.
Maître Vauhan Lowe, is brilliant, he argued like a judge , the way, the justices would see the case. Bravo.
"The truth is like a lion, You don't have to defend it, Let it loose, It will defend itself" -- St Augustine --
@user-ze7ds1lu1c
4 ай бұрын
Love your quote💗💗💗🙏🙏
@jcmac3157
4 ай бұрын
Amen!
A breath-taking decomposition of the Israeli self-defense arguments. The objectivity in his oral capacity successfully illuminated the seriousness of the situation and the categorical imperative ICJ is faced with.
@tahirriaz6277
4 ай бұрын
@@izetapurisic7556 exactly! You can't claim self-defense in an occupied territory!
Just brilliant..A man of integrity and delivery
@Alidavd
4 ай бұрын
He has no integrity as long as he does not acknowledge the genocide in South Africa it self
Finally, justice for the innocent children and civilians in Gaza
These are high top quality lawyers.
Thank you for defending the innocent and vulnerable. It's very sad that we have to go through burocracy to stop such horrific crimes
The right side of history!!
@MarkJones13453
4 ай бұрын
wrong*
Heartbreaking! This is awful to hear, we are all tramatized by what we have seen! And the world stands by and watch! There is another way!
I love the tradition and ceremony of the court... the wigs.. chandeliers.. Who needs Netflix when you can watch this!
Very powerful presentation
What a brave SA. Challenges lions
What a brilliant!! I never tired of his speach, the world doesn’t want you know this brilliant information
May almighty bless you and your every voice and efforts for sake of humanity and suffering of innocent Palestinian people and children's and whole humorous human beings in the world.
Thank you Thank you thank you.. Since this entire fiasco began this is the very first time I have heard ANYBODY use the phrase "innocent men".. why is this..?
Prof Vaughan Lowe KC Legal 500 UK Bar 2023, Public International Law: “The superstar in the PIL field.”
Thank you South Africa, thank you Madiba for this just country you fight for
What an amazing guy thanks for your work and expertise 🥰
Netanyahu : "We are doing the most moral genocide with the most moral diaper army in the Universe"
“Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” ― Confucius
It has been said that two wrongs do not make a right.
@gurutruthspeak598
4 ай бұрын
Two wrongs? What's the other 'wrong?'
Wawww I can hear this man all day long, BRITISH made, great human and through presentation 👏
11.33 - “it’s no use Israel saying it does whatever it can to minimise the deaths of innocent men, women and children. The use of 2,000 pound bunker buster bombs and dumb bombs in residential areas and the relentless bombardment of Gaza, and even of the so-called safe areas to which Palestinians have been directed by Israel tell another story”. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
This is genocide
The bold and bravest in SA team. Simply argued Hamas may have committed crimes but it doesn’t have state but Israel has a state and committed genocide against Palestinians.
@Alidavd
4 ай бұрын
Hamas started this war
@davidpaton464
4 ай бұрын
@@Alidavdoh … ok Ali - your well argued case agains the evidence you are clearly incapable of hearing in this clip, persuades the ZA commission and all the millions around the world who supports it in bringing its case to the ICJ, to bow to your wisdom and we withdraw our case against isreal who have only been committing atrocities and genocide for the last 75 years. But of course you know better than these learned and human-centred members in The Hague ……… wake up! Start listening!!
@laspalms8620
4 ай бұрын
@@Alidavd😂😂😂you are a joke
An example of calm detailed reasoning tied in with the relevant law - law students and others hope to become advocates would benefit greatly from watching this.
Well argued 🙌🔥🔥
Top Marks,Sir.
No on above the internation law. Thanks to South Africa 🇿🇦 free palestine 🇵🇸
I demand Legitimate Defense Protocol to Action.
Thank you.
I SALUTE TO South Africa. No one have courage to stand against isreal and tell the truth
Excellent argument
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Very intelligent
We know exactly what the people of Palestine are going through first hand. We suffered the same fate under the white supremist colonial oppressors, who systematically oppressed and suppressed us, in the same manner as the evil zionist regime is doing to Palestinians. Besides the PLO under Yasser Arafat supported our armed struggle against our oppressors, so we can remain silent, like the rest of the west.
@macntlokwana397
4 ай бұрын
WE CANNOT REMAIN SILENT!
Without secretary general of assembly United nations any order not possible
Hear hear!
thanks very much for keeping this judgment to be true. 😂
The White Chalk board in a Palestinian hospital read. "Whoever stays until the end will tell the story We did what we could and remember us" The writter, a Doctor was latter killed by the Isreali shelling on the hospital
Thats a Judge!
Well done SA.any one with common sense can see Israel ia over reacting, going frwd you can not indefinetly occupy 6 million people there must be self determination or equality one man one vote etc how can it be justified someone born in usa or poland can live freely in israel yet someone that lived there for over 9 generations is expelled or has no rights etc south africa offers great lesson specially based on its history Boers opreasion under brits then aparthied etc victim turned opressor etc.
Goose bumps...
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Technology has developed and crime has developed with it....Israel's crime is unparalleled in history
Marikana must be part of that court
"pero cuál genocidio???. Es que hay gente exagerada. Apenas hemos asesinado 23.000 civiles, la mayoría de ellos niños, y por un pequeño error de puntería. Y ni se les ocurra contarnos los asesinatos que ya llevábamos antes del pasado 7 de octubre porque fueron casi 75 años de pequeños errores ".
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USA &UK did violated in Iraq war . ?
What do you really expect from ICJ to come out with? I suppose nothing relevant.
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Viva South African viva, long live the spirit of human rights for living on earth viva. Down with Israel and his inhuman acts and his unconditional supporters down.
I have lost any interest of ever visiting Israel.
shame usa and isral
Thank you all lawyers and thank you South Africa to fight for Palestine Respect you bless you
@Alidavd
4 ай бұрын
Dont have any respect for lawers in this country. I yet have to met one that realy cares fot there clients
Africannn roer!!!!
Pesan dedah cibai²to itenit kite hadapan sediri
Why can't I see how many "likes" this video has?
Will SABC give the same exposure to Israel's defence tomorrow? Let's see
@shalimar1792
4 ай бұрын
Tomorrow only israel will speak..
@blackswan301
4 ай бұрын
who needs a reply - we see with our eyes - what the depraved land stealing, murdering sewer creatures called zionists and their supporters have done over the last 75 yrs to the palestinian people
@user-sc5ol1fn6o
4 ай бұрын
What defence do you think they will salvage? Gaslighting? Whatsboutisms? Lies? Propaganda? Insane utterances?
Free palestine thanks south Africa
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The government that finds no problem with singing "Kill the boer Kill the farmer" in the middle of a targeted genocide against white farmers in their own country ... explanation required? Should we also mention south africa and what happened in Zimbabwe?
Jesus bring justice to the Palestinian people. Take care of their wounded and broken children. Lift their hearts and souls and give them strength and hope🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 14:48
@gurutruthspeak598
4 ай бұрын
Hey deluded fool, wasn't it your jesus who was responsible for the Amalek genocide in the bible? Wasn't Saul through Samuel, via Jesus, who ordered this? Isn't your bible the very book that inspires israel to commit such barbaric crimes against humanity?
@gurutruthspeak598
4 ай бұрын
Wasn't it your jesus who ordered Samuel, who ordered Saul to do to the Amalek what israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank?
@gillps5130
4 ай бұрын
@@gurutruthspeak598 No. Wrong testament.
How dare you speak for every South African. Why have you all forgotten what has been done to them? It is only to destroy their enemy. Speak the truth.😢
@celestelax3879
4 ай бұрын
😢
Wscjsb sevisese Asia official CEOs indok fasiliti saman Malaysia RAja &bank2di malasiya
The israel's side came to swim in empty pool.
Why are worried about another nation we got our own problems to solve. The audacity of these ppl
@mikeandre7364
4 ай бұрын
As a country, it is possible to do more things than one. It is undeniable that we have major issues, but as a country we have full right to go forward with the case. It is actions like these on the international stage, helping another nation, that is of benefit to everyone, including South Africa and its people. That is how diplomacy works.
@shepherdmaseko8151
4 ай бұрын
Selfish thoughts.
@llk1013
4 ай бұрын
@shepherdmaseko8151 no wonder there's so many immigrants here in sa...
@shepherdmaseko8151
4 ай бұрын
@@llk1013 immigration is only a problem if its illegal.More than 80% of U A E or Dubai workers are immigrants. Your country problem is capitalism and inequality which made the natives to compete for low income jobs with migrants when you suppose to be inlcluded in the owning sector. Affects the uneducated which is the natives.mostly men
@laspalms8620
4 ай бұрын
Love thy neighbour as you love yourself
His voice reminds me of the Top series I've been watching like Harry Potter 🥲
Most judges dont understand english where working in international court, they are little bit lazzy. hope they are just and not manipulated
@lethalchocobo1886
4 ай бұрын
Lol, under what rock are you living? They have translators.
Hamas is Gasa and Gasa is Hamas.
Is Hamas not committing genecide supported by Iran.
Is kill the boer song not also an intend to act on genocide. South african court approved this song . So israel Amelek song should also be approved by South Africa as its only a song
@hansj.hobein5762
4 ай бұрын
Is Mary Jane blowing smoke into your face ?
@aaronmuzambalika5366
4 ай бұрын
Julius Malema who sung that song is not the President of South Africa at the moment.
@michaelmellet601
4 ай бұрын
It's not about being a president the song has the capability to be seen as genocide song. To a group of people .as per the genocide definition. And this song was approved by the south african court. The Amelia song by Israel was not approved by Israel court.
@laspalms8620
4 ай бұрын
@@michaelmellet601 come to SA and see how the boers treat black people. I do not condone Julius's song but just come see
Love Israel❤❤❤❤
Dont protect hamas
@moegamatgamieldien110
4 ай бұрын
We are not concerned about Hamas. It's the lives of the people on and under the rubble that matter.
@michaelmellet601
4 ай бұрын
This war will continue until palestine and israel agree to live in peace . This court case may have merit but will not solve the issue. This icedent will happen over and over until both parties accept the two state with no aggression against each other.
@gurutruthspeak598
4 ай бұрын
@@michaelmellet601Israel doesn't want peace, you f***in' brain dead imbecile! Wt** have you been watching?
Israel will win this case
@blackswan301
4 ай бұрын
surely - because the zionists kill or buy everything in their path - so they only win by 1 of those 2 methods
@biddiatfarraj
4 ай бұрын
Dream on. You've been exposed genocide supporter.
Shame to the south African court of justice. What a shame that the south African eyes that saw the death of the tourist and have sympathy but blinded for the innocent Israel' people. Go back to your own land and make justice for your own citizen
@mawethumthintsilana6208
4 ай бұрын
blood beneficiaries will be always like Miskitos, their wealth were sacrificed by human blood and none justice. Tomorrow your menu in your plate will be full of untasted human organs. If you live in a glass house don't throw the stone. Be careful of your privilege can make you to be a stupid of a life time.
@Nigelzenig
4 ай бұрын
You sound scared of truth
@hansj.hobein5762
4 ай бұрын
So you know the meaning of a Court of Justice. Israel Dictatorships has NONE.
@weirdjoni2272
4 ай бұрын
@@Nigelzenighe is scared just like netayu shting on his pants 😂
@benjaminmyers5299
4 ай бұрын
South Africa is a failed state, paid off by the Islamists.
Free Free Palestine from the River to the Sea!
If the anc had one of there members to speak here, this hearing would've gone on for months. With zondo, indefinitely! 😂 😂
What a shame law 🤣🤣🤣
@biddiatfarraj
4 ай бұрын
Wake up! Israel's true face has been exposed. Think outside your primitive, colonial greed.
True South Africans are the embarressed ones right now.
@---yn3bv
4 ай бұрын
I am not, in fact I'm PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN. If you don't feel for Palestinians, you don't have a heart; you're an empty human shell without a soul.
@felixmoyoedonmi
4 ай бұрын
Please explain your comment. You are not making any sense.
@mlondicele4814
4 ай бұрын
Always remember that you are a European settler and we are not surprised that you support the genocide against the Arab people
@godson5877
4 ай бұрын
He’s white ..definitely not a real African
@Alidavd
4 ай бұрын
I am embarest by this racist governent. That dont care about the genocide in this country
pravda za palestinu nitanjahu mora odgovarati i njegovi saucesnici amerika engleska franca deutschland italija i EU
@letsgettothemarks
4 ай бұрын
Your obviously also genocidal as you label whole countries guilty. Thats exactly what the Israelis have done this makes you a hypocrit. Why not say the UK government should be held responsible? Otherwise you are the same as Israel blaming an entire people
After Israel speaks, the anc will recieve education!! 😂
@---yn3bv
4 ай бұрын
Education from who? Heartless people? Only NAZIs justify mass murder of other human beings.
@godson5877
4 ай бұрын
Yeah causes only white people and Jews can read and interpret the law ..
@IZWELETHU
4 ай бұрын
Don't hold your breath on that you might die.
@moegamatgamieldien110
4 ай бұрын
I expect an hour of desperate damage control and reckless covering of the truth on the part of Israel... Should be entertaining to watch
@180-Facts
4 ай бұрын
Don't expose your lack of education and morals.