0:20 havoc 1:40 destro 2:44 augmentation 4:19 demon 5:33 outlaw 6:42 shadow 7:48 assassin 8:38 boom 10:21 fire 12:04 beast 13:09 afflication 13:51 enhance 15:10 frost 16:26 retribution 17:16 feral 18:05 subtlety 19:05 survival 20:20 arcane 21:12 arms 22:39 fury 23:33 elemental 25:04 marksmanship 26:16 wind 27:35 devistation 29:03 death knights

@Kujra

Ай бұрын

Show this man more love

Been really enjoying your s4 videos man keep it up

Just have to laugh at the people who watch tier list videos and then feel the need to leave comments about how worthless tier list videos are. If you hate them, don’t watch them and don’t waste our time crying about them. Thank you for the video Vesp. This gives me good information to consider. I appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos.

@ristuksenvittu

Ай бұрын

I basically just wanted to hear some thoughts on the spec i play, only to realize this guy probably has not played it at all. But yes, he is right, it's very mid-tier spec, even more so with season 3 set bonuses.

Bnager video mate, liking the new set up! Youve got some opinions, maybe lay off the creatine next time before doing a tier list!

Hello! I'm returning to WoW; the last time I played was during Legion, so all my characters are currently level 50. I'm looking for a frantic and fun class that doesn't require much idle waiting (no downtime, which bores me a lot) or long casting times. That's why I usually play melee classes. What would you recommend?

@VesperalTV

27 күн бұрын

Fury and Outlaw sound like great pickups for you

Arms Meta.

@Polimeh

Ай бұрын

Hm, thought you said in stream that they should only go up a tier, not meta.

@olschriff2921

Ай бұрын

Don´t think fury is this low... mid to high b-tier i think in m+... But Arms is to good in s4 because of mass aoe and massive pulls we warrior players know that... arms is at least a-tier because auf lack of utility and survivability... but in pure dps a+ to s-tier!

This "meta" is different to the pug meta at +20ish that most people are doing as a weekly. Good luck playing destro with pug tanks doing wonky as fuck pulls

@JacobB-kr5em

Ай бұрын

Demo is likely gonna be better than destro for movement and survivability purposes it also gets access to more stuns than destro.. I don’t think he plays lock really and is just looking at the numbers destro is pulling in the 2 dungeons.

@bencehodi8119

Ай бұрын

⁠@@JacobB-kr5em Destro has an aoe micro stun every 8-10 seconds which has no dr. Maybe you are the one who don’t play warlock.

@ryeno7192

Ай бұрын

@@JacobB-kr5em He DOES play alot of lock.. Vesp been pumping on the PTR as destro also in pug grps... As of now: even If the tank pulls 3/4 mobs ur still outdamaging most other classes with just keeping immolate up and spamming RoFs, they're stoopid strong right now.

@brice9013

Ай бұрын

@@JacobB-kr5emwildly underestimating destro damage. Yes if the mobs are moving too much ur damage will be lower but they still pump

@Asag321

Ай бұрын

Well they exactly doing that on PTR and destro tops the meter.

Looks like I need to learn destro. Just picked up a lock a few weeks ago and started in demon. Looks like that was a mistake lol. All my toons are B tier except I have to learn fire for my mage. Then I’ll have 2 S tier. Poor poor poor Fury Warrior with leggo 😢

@dgiras13

Ай бұрын

demo is better at pugging M+, one pack two pack pulls does more dmg, but when in coordnated group with big pulls, destro pulls ahead.

@kingtut8367

Ай бұрын

You dont wanna play fury anyways. Warrior is the most garbage class in the game. They literally bring nothing to the table. No brez, hero, dispell, hard cc, useless. Destro easy af nuff said. Fire mage is simple but takes a toooon of practice to get your timing right with buttons

@meurumtrain4747

Ай бұрын

@@kingtut8367oh come on warrior is a great class(just isn’t meta)

@quur7448

Ай бұрын

Absolutly not. Destru is only that good and meta, if you have a very well coordinated group. Demo is much more better in pug groups. As demo you have a awesome overall dmg profile.

@olschriff2921

Ай бұрын

Destro is a fucking boring spec and u dont need really skill to master it... stay on demo bro! I am a fury/arms warri and a ret paly player too! I test demo the last two weeks and its a fucking nice designed class-spec and so much fun to play! Master demo and u will be happy in S4! I will 100% play demo as an alt!

I haven’t played on PTR but wouldn’t the free blasphemy infernals mess up the stun rotation the ulduar snake boss?

@tanasovpetrut2673

Ай бұрын

worst case scenario u pop a rain next to boss

I've been waiting for this...I am not sure it helped me though. Waffling back and forth between Druid and Shaman. Maybe I dont' want to heal in raid and that would make my decision much easier.

@jeffreypenkoff6178

Ай бұрын

Me and one of my cohealers play rdru and rsham respectively, and both of us are having a blast this season fwiw

I am really split between Destrolock and Fire Mage for this season. Which do you all recommend? I have played both and enjoy them equally

@Idkidkidkidk456

Ай бұрын

if you play higher keys then mage is pretty nice to pug as cause they are always looked for. Both have the same weakness in lower keys and with bad tanks. So i would say Fire mage cause you can also go flamestrike for more overall dmg or frost and arcane with both are realy realy good. Frost overall dmg is realy high from what iv seen and arcane is way better then in this vid expected imo. People just dont play it cause fire is even better. I watched some of the good mages playing arcane in break the meta and the dmg was absurd at points^^

@Maximo-Maximus

Ай бұрын

@@Idkidkidkidk456 Thanks for the advice! Will definitely go fmage this time around 😊

Bm dmg is crazy gotta put A tire the utililisnt really needed with a vdh

The best Mage I've seen last season was arcane. He blew everyone out by miles..was he a god?

How high would you guys rate Havoc, if your groip don’t have a Vengance DH tank?

@swarthypants

Ай бұрын

If casters are meta DPS and tank isn't VDH would definitely pin Havoc as the meta melee spec.

im mian ret pally and gonna be this season to cba change class and grind for gear! and i agree it lacking ST but aoe is solid

i been playing evoker but i thnk i have decided to go spriest for season4 since with all the ways we will have to get gear if you get the real bis on a spriest it will do so much fuckin dmg

The people saying destro only pumps in well coordinated groups are just wrong. I pugged 8-15 on ptr with all kinds of tanks, some trolling with small pulls or moving too much and i still out dpsed almost everyone. Shadow is still the main character but destro absolutely pumps with medium sized pulls too

@a.a.6464

Ай бұрын

Nerf inc

why cant I stop clicking on tier lists

@Wenshenx

Ай бұрын

i literally wasted season 3 trying every spec in the game because of tier lists and ended up not knowing which class is fun or for me anymore

@brice9013

Ай бұрын

@@Wenshenxthe strongest class is the most fun for me, im a sl*t

@nucleartickz

Ай бұрын

because anxiety boss is gnawing at you today :p since its almost time !

Still playing SV hunter :-)

very objective and mature tierlist. I'd say its the least biast tierlist i've seen so far.

@Fallingmedic

Ай бұрын

Dk placement seemed a bit biased. Kind of just thrown in there, but otherwise you’re right.

People are delusional if they think that destro won't be nerfed into B tier, there is no way it's going to stay as broken as it is right now

What tier would you put MM on damage alone?

@a.a.6464

Ай бұрын

Good question!

@VesperalTV

Ай бұрын

A probably

@plutobottles8561

Ай бұрын

ATM its the top dps, although its still early.

I think this is a good list. Aint no way Ret gonna be meta

Maining holy pala arms warr and blood DK yolo

cooles Video :-)

how about raids?

Really not a fan of tier lists myself, don't really like how they bait low IQ players into choices when the meta is so fluid and they end up playing specs they aren't comfortable with. But anyway I was originally set on going Augmentation for this season as I've mained it since vanilla, but I'm actually just going to change my entire personality based on this video. I've shaved a widow peak into my head, grown six inches, lowered my IQ significantly and stopped going to the gym! Thanks for changing my life VesperalTV!! Can't wait to smash season 4 on Affliction Warlock!

@Dozu

Ай бұрын

Aug since vanilla got me XD

@Ashidazx

Ай бұрын

lol then just don’t watch the videos if they are causing such anguish in your life. Also give up the role of being the white knight savior of those influenced by tier lists. They will make it through life without your sword to protect them.

@Seph.ackerman

Ай бұрын

Seb xD

@endocry

Ай бұрын

@@Ashidazxbut then what would he have to get upset and get on a pedestal about?

@remu3657

Ай бұрын

You sounded very disappointed in RL

Don´t think fury is this low... mid to high b-tier i think in m+... But Arms is to good in s4 because of mass aoe and massive pulls we warrior players know that... arms is at least a-tier because the lack of utility and survivability... but in pure dps a+ to s-tier! But only in m+ and if the tank pulls right...

@Aldoopiola

Ай бұрын

the fact that u play a warrior dont make them good xD

@olschriff2921

Ай бұрын

@@Aldoopiola it´s my opinion and i don´t say they better than meta when i play them... but a f... troll like you are can have your own opinion xD the pure dmg output is not that bad but the lack of utility compare to the meta specs will sort them out this is right... we can play this 5 meta specs and delete all other classes from game but u can do high keys with all classes but in the end the last 0,1% it will be dominated by meta thats right...

Willing to bet anything the meta will be sp, fire mage, Aug in the highest keys

@Aldoopiola

Ай бұрын

yeah for sure, the destro cope its nonsense

@Maximo-Maximus

Ай бұрын

Yeah, destro copium and will get nerfed

@alexhallgren3269

Ай бұрын

it always is

its gonna be vdh + fire + sp + aug / some other caster anyways..dont believe its gonna be wl, they are squishy in high keys und they dont bring good utility in m+

@erenaltin6507

Ай бұрын

VDH+Fire+SP+AUG+Resto Druid (the Resto will be Balance on first big big big Pull so they can melt the mobs after that he will change to Resto) in Teams for Push 30+ Keys. VDH+Fire+SP+Ret/Outlaw+MW Monk in PUGs.

You're really underrating Unholy dude, when the secondary stats being capped out this spec is going to pop off insanely hard. Frost is a bit better than it was before but it is nowhere near Unholy right now.

@Aldoopiola

Ай бұрын

tell me u play a dk without telling me u play dk xD

@brandonneal9196

Ай бұрын

If you have enough crit oblit build melts. Obliterate counts for about 40% of total damage. If you proc a free oblit crit every few seconds you tell me. Unholy may do better aoe but what on those long boss fights. Frost should be in A tier. But you have to cap out crit which no one does

I mained ret pally this season after listening to every creator say theyre B tier. Meta changed now Im 3730 season title. tiers lists are bad because blizz always changes things

Ret should be A+ not only because of the good dmg but the Survivability! A dead S DPS is useless!

I just want big numbers. A easy class thats all i want. Which class is it?

@TheChrillexx

Ай бұрын

Ret

@Balloonbot

Ай бұрын

Marksmanship for ranged

With last tuesday changes this tier list is oudated again 😂

If you were the mast alive on your BM then your friends suck. It is super squish

ret low on single? :D im 3.8k and most of the dung bosses this season im #1 lol

Stupid turret dps destro, i will stay with demo i can play that and watch tv at the same time and wont miss any of my aoe.

Fire mage is so good because of execute

think ret is for sure a+

rip hunter time to reroll for season 4

What did I just read

@Polimeh

Ай бұрын

a tierlist.

i dont think that fury is C-Tier,. i guess atleast A Tier

If you actually believe destro locks gonna remain this absurd you don't know Blizz yet, 100% nerfed first week.

@Uncle-Ruckus.

Ай бұрын

warlocks and mages are blizzards fav so no dont expect nerfs.

@erenaltin6507

Ай бұрын

They will not do well, if you go with destro in pug group you will do not that dmg as you expect. In push groups yes but not as a single player destro.

@Aldoopiola

Ай бұрын

@@erenaltin6507 even if its not pugs, u wont be using destro its no worht over a mage.

Survival got screwed hard by bliz

warlock way to overrated, not meta at all, and i would argue not even close to be meta, fire will be meta for sure. i would lower destro 2 tiers and mage 1 up and the rest its kinda ok

End of the day play what you want all can play the content these tier lists are just toxic

0 shot Aug evoker is not S-tier in my+

PVE? PVP?

@cwhit2575

Ай бұрын

Did you watch the video you simpleton?

Fire a tier with s2 tier set? Na I dont think so

making a tier list before class tuning is like gambling :D and yeah havoc in B tier... you have nice drugs bro! :D

@Sly_404

Ай бұрын

He made the reasoning very clear. Vengeance being THE meta tank again you have no reason to bring havoc.

These fire mage lovers, fire mage is absolute dog shit unless you geared to the tits and getting PI’s and running key equivalents of 25+ or higher

@waxoncrypto9524

Ай бұрын

Like I will guarantee you that 99.99% of the players watching this and reading this would perform better and push keys higher with any spec other then fire, a UH DK, A monk, a surv hunter, a Dev Voker, all of them will smash fire in the overall in all keys unless your pushing world level content and geared to perfection

@TheGoldenAngel82

Ай бұрын

@@waxoncrypto9524 Problem (for me at least) is that a LOT of people take the meta perception into even the tiny keys. If I enter a key as Arcane spec, I am kicked before I can even press the respec button. I get declined a LOT on my well geared RShaman, but people never decline me on my badly halfgeared druid. I can sign with all kinds of DPS and spend a whole lot of time sitting searching for a party if I run my own key, but eeeeverybody wants me when I play Spriest. And yes the spriest has become the best geared char that I have, there's simply no wait time on it.

Putting bm in B is trolling

i am still mad about your windwalker placement. i hope you can find a way to make it up to me or else i will be gone forever

lol.....Havoc dh b Tier...? This is the dumbest set up already. Lock are the dumbest class this whole season. Every lock dont kick or do mechanic or stun.

You need to stop the drugs.

You know nothing of dh js. Lol. I havent been out dps'd in a single key as havoc & I've run 27+ keys haha😅

@zoubeko2681

Ай бұрын

its because VDH is meta, so no reason to bring HDH :) meta is not only DPS,

How can you possibly know, who's gonna be where, in tier list of S4? A video for a views need. That's sad

@dgiras13

Ай бұрын

beta is out for a month almost, they have tested who will be meta (at start)

@rocketengy

Ай бұрын

its not hard to predict where they will be when most classes aren't getting balance changes but they are getting tier sets we have already have. we also have ptr testing. not sure what ur yappin about

@LM10V7

Ай бұрын

when season 3 about to start ppl making a tier list and putting mistweaver on S tier when no one ever try to get him in keys ever and if there is not a class tuning you still can predict 90% of the meta and its not for views its fact not just randomly answers.

@anannoyedpanda

Ай бұрын

stupid comment.