great timing for the Fractal Ridge case which requires and are compatible with some of these low profile coolers

@nohpleft

Жыл бұрын

time for a case review *hint hint

@RayWelpott

Жыл бұрын

Compatible with every cooler on here, the BSU is the one I’m interested in

@christofferaasted

Жыл бұрын

the question is.. is Ryzen 7000 worth it over 13th gen if Ryzen 7000 in general runs so hot despite the low TDP on non-x versions.. Not lots of MB options for ITX on either side and especially the AM5-ITX mb seems riddled with issues unless you buy the most expensive ASUS B650E-I.. Too bad the non-x versions weren't tested..

@MrDutch1e

11 ай бұрын

​@christofferaasted the b650e-i is probably the most problematic board in the itx lineup for am5. Tbf asus has more bios issues at every level and size tho. Asrock is the way to go for am5 across the board.

@RetroTeddyBear

11 ай бұрын

@@MrDutch1e ASrock's illegal warranty policies are what have pushed me away from them.

I feel like there's not really enough coverage for SFF enthusiasts, so I really appreciate that you guys did this video. Thank you!

Phenomenal video. These are the kinds of comparisons I love from you guys - especially the attention to nuance. Incredibly helpful, easy to understand, and allows me to make a more informed decision.

Incredibly informative and a top notch video. This has really help shape up future builds when I recycle the current parts on AM4 and AM5. In regards to build planning, I would say everyone should be very meticulous about it especially pricing and trend anaylsis (yes it sounds fancy - however, we all do it every day especially grocery shopping) as people would save a tonne of money.

Thanks Mike I love the deep dive into small form factor coolers definitely throws a wrench in the works for the future of this form factor to some degree. For a small period of time the highest performance gear was useable in the smallest footprint just as that was developing into the mainstream production of itx cases we might see this era coming to an end... at least for a generation or two. I imagine that out of case radiators are going to be more common in the forum posts for a little while. My only hope is that somehow this results in itx cases with 360 aio compatibility outside of that one sliger case this area feels rather unoptimized in the current market. I've done some calculations and with the modern size of gpu coolers almost matching up to 360 rads it should be possible within 18 liters of volume and no need for a riser cable. I haven't modeled anything though.

Nice testing. When I first saw the 7000 series I was like oh no there goes SFF cases usage, nice to see with some proper tuning you can still get decent cooling and performance.

More SFF content please! These videos are super informative.

Thanks for doing this! I think it proves that Ryzen 7000 cooling worries are overblown (pun not intended) for the most workloads and use-cases. And yet by actually carrying out the testing, you pointed out what caveats do arise. I would be happy to point anyone looking at cooling Ryzen 7000 with constrained air cooling solutions to this video! Great job testing this in real conditions. Thanks again!

I have recently switched my focus to primarily SFF builds so thank you for this video. Coincidentally, I am patiently waiting for the N-ATX and P-ATX cases to go back on sale. I also like how you touched on PBO Curve Optimiser. Optimum Tech did a very detailed video on it titled 'Ryzen 5000 Undervolting with PBO2 - Absolutely Worth Doing'. A big tip in that video which helped me with my Zen 3 builds was that some Asus BIOS settings have an extra setting called 'PBO Limits'. If that setting is there for a particular motherboard (noted the one in the video does not have this), it needs to be disabled for the undervolted curve to have the desired effect.

@josiahjones7654

Жыл бұрын

Optium Tech is the SFF Guru

@iamChermac

Жыл бұрын

@@josiahjones7654 Hardware Canucks, Optimum Tech and Gear Seekers are becoming my steady favourite for SFF content. Each brings something special to the table.

@earthtaurus5515

Жыл бұрын

@@iamChermac Indeed, each have a wealth of knowledge that really helps build planning and troubleshooting to boot.

Thanks, this helps much more than all the claims that low profile heatsinks don't work for modern CPUs. I'd like to see more options for "medium" heatsinks though, like the L9-65

Great video, a video on eco mode would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work!

thanks for reviewing the IS-55 was thinking about getting that one next on the 7700X

I’m excited to watch this video. I’ve been wanting to see this. Cheers. Thanks for the content

Great to see a reviewer finally do ITX cpu cooler testing with new Ryzen 7000 series 👍🥰✊

Thanks for looking into the topic. Interesting results.

Nicely done and very useful. I'm glad to see SFF low profile air cooling is still viable with the new AMD CPUs. I'm wondering how much difference the overall cooling of a pc build will make, say when paired with a new gen GPU in the box? Though it wont be on CPU temps as this gen maxs the temp to give the most performance.

Now with the Non-X variants, I would like to see this same thing done again! Maybe with some overclocking 😏

@lukababilodze4283

11 ай бұрын

Non X variants come with stock coolers if I'm not mistaken, so without overclocking it would be sufficient even in sff cases I think, but yes, overclocking is also interesting

Awesome breakdown Mike, and that new N-ATX sure look good haha :) Thanks!

Please add the Jonsbo low profile coolers (HP-400S, HX4000D and HX6000D) to future tests. They are rated for big TDPs by the manufacturer but I'd love to see it being benchmarked.

Exactly what I was looking forward to... great vid

Very well done review. I had never heard of big shuriken 3, yet it seems to be the best ITX air cooler.

Yes Tech City has some good videos using classic overclock/ undervolting. It's a good compromise between heat and performance. You guys should take a look at them. Good video. Thank you.

Thanks for testing these cooler at 50% speed!

I really enjoy this kind of videos about LP coolers) Please consider testing new ones, such as beQuiet Pure Rock LP and ID Cooling IS-47-XT. For now, there is almost no information on these.

This was a great eye opener as I only have low profile coolers like the Shuriken and so far is does extremely well with a 5900x as long as there is some active air pulling the heat out the case. Man when will they release the N-ATX again?

amazing graphics and info. thanks for the video!

Sweet! Thanks for your tests. Seems like the AK400 or Assassin King120 should be perfectly fine or even better than these small low profile cooler then.

Really good video. 7700X is a beast, thanks for valuable hints. Going with 620 (better be safe than sorry).

I got a Louqe Raw S1 recently because of their price slashing. I got the ID Cooling IS-60 and it's been doing really well for me with a noctua fan swap for the slim 120mm.

@GSP-76

Жыл бұрын

I actually have an IS-60...did the fan swap make a big difference?

@colewelden

Жыл бұрын

@@GSP-76regular 120 fan swap originally gave me 3C and I got another 2 or so from the noctua swap. Use that nice soft cell foam from another electronics packaging and cut out the frame shape for a 120mm fan. Then cut out the middle and you have a nice fan gasket for the back exhaust 120mm. That dropped temps the most for me. Turned 100c under load to 92 max. (Referring to my loque case)

@colewelden

Жыл бұрын

This is for my specific listed case of course. If yours is different I can't attest that it will drop temps 5C. In my case where is was immediately thermal throttling it was a pretty big difference. If your temps stock are 50c it likely won't be as big of a difference.

I’ve seen you guys cover ITX coolers but are you ever gonna cover the Thermalright AXP 120 revisions? Would love to see you guys compare the copper one you guys regularly use, the new graphite covered one vs the other itx coolers you guys use.

Good video but not sure why you didn't include Big Shuriken data for the eco mode testing since it seemed to perform the best in every other segment.

Looking forward to an extended ECO Mode benchmark 😁

I'd love a full test on how to get the most frames per watt comparison. So the most efficient CPU and GPU and the power settings on how to set them up efficiently.

Would love to see Noctua L9x65 compete in this and your future videos :)

Great video, as always.

Was greatly surprised. Got a relatively good bin of a 7700X, running problem-free at -25 CO, using a Thermalright AXP100-X67 heatsink in an ITX system. Frequencies, even full miltu0core load, remains above 5GHz.

Great, now how about the 65W non-X versions?

Interested to know how the L9A standard, -10, and eco mode ... how the scores went for a blender test. Its one thing to show frequency but it would be another to show scores. And with a normal big boy cooler as a comparison. Guess that'll come in the eco mode video

Love the content as always. Best channel evaaa!!!!

Your videos are so unique. Really great reviews.

This video was exactly what I was looking for.

If I’d have seen this a few days ago I may have considered the big shuriken, but this video makes me confident in gettin an aio to pair with my 7900x

I' using a 7600 (yes, this is the 7600 with 65W TDP) with AXP120-x67. This fan is similar to the Scythe Big Shuriken 3B, using 6 heat pipes and a 12-inch fan. I found that it was unable to suppress the 7600 under the stock setting of the CPU with all cores and full load. The temperature soared to 95 degrees and the CPU frequency could only reach about 4.9G. When playing games, it can often reach 70-80 degrees or even 90 degrees, and the CPU utilization is only 15%-25%. I adjusted the PBO -40 optimized voltage curve (yes, this CPU is of good quality), adjusted the SOC voltage -0.025 and set the temperature limit to 83 degrees. Only then can the temperature be acceptable(60-70, most of time less 80 degree) in daily games. The good news is that I released the PBO freq up to 200MHZ, so it's single core usually can reach 5.3G in daily usage. The new generation of Ryzen 7000 is really hot. This is already the lowest-end CPU in the series, but still.

Hai, great explanation. nice work. just want to know that for intel 13th gen, are u planning to do same video? im glad if yes. Hehehe...

Nice visuals graphs, good topic, well done. On a sidenote - probably a lot of small form factor cases need a rework considering recent trends in power targets and GPU sizes. They were made for a different world. So a different CPU cooling along the way could be an option. Also those smallest air coolers weren't 100% great a few years ago either. So there's that.

@hwi7114

Жыл бұрын

Disagree on the smallest coolers not being great a few years ago, you just need to know what they are designed for. In small cases with cooler height limits under 40 mm there are only a few options on the market and the NH-L9 works no problem with a 12400 or 5600X. Obviously it isn't going to cool a 5900X or 12900K and it wasn't designed to do so. Ryzen 7000 just runs exceptionally warm and doesn't really have a SKU that works well with such small coolers, at least so far.

@vensroofcat6415

Жыл бұрын

@@hwi7114 "only a few options on the market" doesn't mean something is great. They have been very limited in what they can cool all along. To avoid further confusion my current PC runs with NH-U12A. I do like air cooling and consider Noctua NH-L9 and the two others quality products. But none of them is great at cooling. Rather "limited". My main point - many sff cases are designed for those tiny things or aio. In the way stuff is arranged within. Which may need to change. Or not. Because in my world 50mm air cooler clearance sounds ~nonexistent. More so with 250W CPUs. And yes, I do know underV exists.

Googleの翻訳機能の精度が上がったから英語の動画もかなり参考にしやすくなった。検証お疲れ様です！ありがとう

Since in most boards the UEFI has a temp limit/target to set for Zen4, it is easy to get them into any case/system and keep most of their performance.

So what cooler will you recommend for the Sentry 2.0? I'm gathering money to get AMD 7 series next month and wanted to get your feedback on what would be good.

You can also go lower than -10. Ryzen master has a tester in it that will give you the value your chip can handle. It's not always perfect but it's a good starting point. Personally, just turn it all the way down to -30 and see if your computer crashes at idle (not under load), some chips can handle it just fine. If it does crash then dial it back little by little until you hit that sweet spot. For instance my 5700x can do a -21 all core offset so it runs cooler and the clock speeds hit 4850mhz which is 150 mhz higher than stock.

I love how you use Cities: Skylines. I play that a lot, along with Anno 1800, and the CPU get hammered.

Great video as always, I'm guessing it's the same story for Raptor lake, right?

@HardwareCanucks

Жыл бұрын

Basically yes. Temperatures mean very little these days.

How do you reckon these CPUs might fare in an itx build cooled by the Noctua NH-D15S ? How much hotter do they run than say a i7-8700K overclocked at 5GHz all core @ 1.35V ?

I've been wracking my brain trying to cool a 7700X with a L9A, I kept thinking I applied the thermal paste wrong, or the cooler wasn't tight enough, but it just runs HOT! I usually get 65C-70C temps just doing basic tasks. I will try the negative curve optimizer to see how that changes things!

I see more of this guy, I become more happy!!

Thanks for the video. I ended up getting a Ryzen 7900 non-x but it still gets very hot during handbrake 4K Encoding

Great work!

So what you're saying is... I can undervolt and use one of these in my Silverstone RVZ-02? Sweet! Gonna have to save some money for a build upgrade in 2023.

Have you tried IS-60 EVO? 64mm with dual fans.

Is the IS-55 + Gentle Typhoon combo better than Big Shuriken 3? IS-55 will only be 65mm tall, they are roughly the same price here in Asia (IS-55 & XPG Vento Pro are cheaper compared to US pricing).

I'm using the Sliger Console with the Thermalright AXP90-X53, NF-A12x25 PWM chromax.black.swap, and 7700X with a -30 offset. Runs like a dream. Unfortunately the ID Cooling IS-55 doesnt fit because the edge collides with the bottom case lip.

You also need to look at power consumption for those loads, the heat spreader on 7000 seems to be inefficient. Even though it might be 90c it might not be pumping much heat into the case

Working with 2 asus z11's right now. One with the 5600x and one with a new 7800. I'm using id cooling's low profile for the am4. Wish this cooler could do a bit better for the am5 because as you've shown before, the is55 was the best for AM4 series

I'd really love to see this test on their non-X variants since the TDP is only 65W. It'd be really helpful us.

why dind´t use NH-l12 from noctua instead of nh-l9.

Noice video!!! 120mm AIOs next!!!

Very interesting content. ECO mode is a no-brainer for an air cooled ITX build. BTW is the C14S not a go-to ITX Cooler anymore?

this is exactly what i'm looking for

Wanted to move my 7700x to a feactal ridge. Not so sure anymore ... is55 with a 25 mm noctua fan or a big shuriken..what do you guys think 🤔

now we need to see if the performance is better delidded or after laping

I got a 360mm AIO to cool the 7600X and the CPU really has issues transferring the heat to the AIO as the CPU reaches close to 90 degrees but you can tell the AIO is more than enough since the water doesn’t even reach 40 degrees.

You should definitely throw the Wraith Stealth in here for fun to see how low voltages need to be to run with that. I still run a Wraith Stealth on my R5 3600 undervolted to 1.15v at 3.9ghz and would love to see how low I’d have to get a 7600/x at to stay cool under it.

@chubbykun

4 күн бұрын

I know it is a year later, but i'm running a ryzen 5 7500F uldervolted + overclocked with the wraith prism with strong fan curve Curve optimizer : -30 Boost clock : +150mhz I managed to get the same score as the ryzen 5 7600X and temps maxed out around 82-83C, 24C ambient so i won't think the wraith stealth can't keep it down with the r5 7600/x

This looks like the ideal cooler for my school desk build.

where NH-L9X65?

With the low profile cooler my Ryzen 7 7700 hit temps above 90°C while gaming so I will have to get another am5 cooler that is better than the stock cooler but great video!

I would really love to see how the delidding device from der bauer could change these temps at all

would love a video on intel's cpus vs low profile coolers

gonna need another vid when the 3D 7000 series come out next month

I haven't looked at the mid to low-end...but the top-end isn't cheaper right now. i9 13900K is currently cheaper than 7950X and the top-end equivalent X670E boards are more expensive than the Z790 boards (I'm looking at Asus Hero for my upcoming purchase).

I'm currently running a 7700X on a PBO offset of -30. The plan was to put it into that NZXT N1 that I still have sitting around once the 3D V-Cache CPUs release but I honestly never even thought about the ITX thermals in that plan... Think that puny 140mm AIO will be able to handle it? I can't test it since I don't have the mainboard for it yet.

@robskineterable

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it will be fine, especially at -30. BUT you should absolutely consider putting a power limit on it as well. PBO -30 with a PL of 80w will give you the same performance as stock, but with MUCH lower temperatures and power draw. Watch Optimum Tech's video on PBO. Maybe even go 70w. The silicon is great but AMD fucked up the stock v-f curve.

How do you think the AXP100 Full Copper would perform against the Ryzen 7000?

amazing video 👍👌

I have a cooler master V8 gts with 8 heat pipes. My limiting factor is they are 20 mm thick fans. So i can get past the noise and 1600 rpm cap. But these new coolers hold 6 pipes and better fan performance. It may be time to get better cooler 👀 i just like how air cooler towers look in builds.

Too be fail the L9A is running into a physics limit, it's just so small that it does not have the surface area or air flow to absorb and dissipate the heat. The cooling issues are compounded by the extra thick IHS on the 7000 series. A better option would be the L9x65 or L9x65 SE-AM4. It's still low profile at 65mm but has more mass to soak up the heat with.

I know what's happening between Big shuriken 3 and IS-55. Big shuriken 3 has 70mm in height and IS-55 only 55mm, in a case with 79mm clearance, so it will pull more fresh air. You should try a fan duct to see if the gap between the two closes or use P-ATX with IS-55 to see if it performs better.

@fretboardrunner

Жыл бұрын

I saw massive improvements with self-made fan ducts in my Node 202! Like, 10K temp difference at same fan speed for the CPU.

@rosberglks7682

Жыл бұрын

@@fretboardrunner I know, right! I have the Node 202 myself.

@v4714v

Жыл бұрын

@@fretboardrunner Before the duct, your computer ran at 10,000 degrees Celsius? Damn how's that all-core workload? Lmao

Have a dope experiment.... try running the 7950x3d delided, with a direct die frame, liquid metal(obviously), the id cooling is55 equipped with a noctua industrial 120mm fan, and setting the temp target in the bio/uefi to 80-85c with no offset. I bet you get most of if not all of the performance of a stock 7950x3d, running reasonably cool, on a low profile cooler

i am thinking of lapping or delidding a 7900 and using this cooler Thermalright AXP90-X53 in a mini itx build would you say it might be worth it?

Do a review on AXP-100, AXP-120, AXP-200 coolers, and compare them with the mainstays of low profile coolers, with different fan sizes too. Please.

@HardwareCanucks

Жыл бұрын

Most of the AXP series are now discontinued actually. What's in the channel is it.

@harryshuman9637

Жыл бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks Actually AXP is still made and sold, just not in NA. I bought one last week. I know it will cost extra with delivery, but I feel like they offer something others don't.

@amadei2

Жыл бұрын

@@harryshuman9637 why would they review something that is not sold in NA ? And why ask them to review it if you have one ? Need to confirm you made a good choice ? 😂

@harryshuman9637

Жыл бұрын

@@amadei2 Because there is such thing as online shops who deliver worldwide? People who want the best order from anywhere. Only normies go to K-Mart to get the NH-L12S. Boring.

If I were to build a new sff pc with ryzen 7000. I'd probably do the nr200p with the tg glass. Put the biggest air cooler in it and put the gpu in the traditional way (no riser cable).

Been looking for a video for low profile. Planning on switching over to the fractal design ridge and debating between building a whole new setup with the 7700x or keep my current 5700g setup.

What would recommend for the the r7 7800x3d in the n200p case with g.skill flare x5 low profile sticks?

Hey do you think the thermalright axp90 R is enough cooling for the 7600 (non x) ?

I get 60 degrees max on 55W mode on a 5800x3d using a darkrock pro 4 cooler, also doesn't go above 70 degrees whilst gaming. With 30 percent fan speed using a single fan rather than both in large large case.

Can Endorfy Fortis Argb manage 7700x or only 7700? I wanted to buy Fortis but wasn´t sure

bequiet just launched a new low profile cooler, Pure Rock LP ... They also have the Shadow Rock LP, that has a 130W cooling capacity... I would've liked to see at least some product from them in this. But it's too late now.

I am running a 7900 with a bunch of Noctua fans and heatsinks, in an 'sound insulated' case, the thing is literally silent under normal use. I have to open the box and sit my head in there to even hear something.

I came here for cpu sfx coolers with high end cpus and I got that plus testing in the case I plan on getting 🎯

I'm more interested on how the Old Wriath Prism will work with these processors...

great info thanks

I actually just picked up a 7700x and set its thermal limit to 75c with no performance drop at all.

When gaming at 1440p would the temperatures be lower???

@HardwareCanucks

Жыл бұрын

Technically yes