I'm an EE who has designed several commercial products that use open fram power supplies. Even if you use a ul listed open frame power supply you still had to get ul cert ($10000-$20000) due to the use of assembled AC wires in your product. By using the built on cable it saved alot of time and cost. Ps actually have one of these that I use all the time. I love the thing. Thanks for the info on the replacement tips.

@CathodeRayDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this input! That really explains it and now that you put it that way it makes perfect sense. Also, good to hear that it was a solid purchase, hah!

@gbraadnl

2 жыл бұрын

Right, we always had to do FCC and UL certification for the product, even FCC or UL certified parts were used. As the setup changes parameters. It is also the reason why many stuff from here do not consider cert as they at first thought it would be OK and then found out the cost of this process. A lot of smaller companies from here won't ship from China to the US anymore. Super quality but budget got spend on that or looks instead... And that is why you see a lot of crap: as these don't care as they can flood and be profitable. Another ecample of FCC parameters changing is that Lenovo disallowed mini pcie to be used internally in the Tiny Thinkcentres like M93 (besides certified and tested combination) so they locked this in the bios with a white list for support.

@rickr530

2 жыл бұрын

@@gbraadnl Lenovo aren't the only ones to do that. Certification is a nice cover story but I think their real motivation for the whitelist is to force customers into buying upgraded parts from them. As long as they sell a configuration that meets current local emissions regulations then they are off the hook -- it's on the consumer to maintain compliance. It's also worth noting that the WiFi cards themselves are certified. It doesn't make sense to restrict what is installed after purchase since the manufacturer is no longer responsible for it, the laws could have changed, and/or the laptop may have been relocated to a new region with different laws that require changing the card. The antenna's radiation pattern isn't going to change depending on the card it is connected to, even more so since the WiFi cards will have met strict standards for characteristic impedance and transmitted power. It's really quite a BS excuse that the whitelist has anything to do with certification or ERP. There's plenty of other RF equipment that is sold without antennas or with no provisions for preventing the user from changing the antenna.

@CocoaEm

2 жыл бұрын

@@CathodeRayDude Ts100 can run through 18650s and is amazing.

@kv4302

2 жыл бұрын

That doesn't seem like a lot of money. How much of these things do they make? Hundreds of thousands? With those numbers, the money you save by going with an open frame power supply makes up. It's also a waste of material to have an encased power brick inside of the thing. Plastic doesn't grow on trees!

That is fantastic, ha! At least the thing was manufactured with bare wires on the end. Imagining a barrel jack hidden away inside of a soldering iron is quite the amusing thought though.

@ignatgrz

2 жыл бұрын

I guess the last bit of the wire is bare, but given that rest of the cord is insulated I feel "unterminated" would be aa better description.

@LillyP-xs5qe

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Clint, always nice to see you using your work account for private viewing

@brandonb3279

2 жыл бұрын

I love that you're seemingly a big fan of Cathode Ray Dude. It shouldn't be surprising, as you both share quite a few similar interests. But still, it's heartwarming to know that someone who works so hard to provide fun & fascination for the world also gets to relax and appreciate great videos, because there are others who create equally fantastic content that you can enjoy! Long live the New Media! I can't get over how grateful I am that independent creators such as yourselves are now able to reach an audience who appreciates you. I shudder to think of all the great talent and wonder that the world was deprived of when ruled under the old networks and production companies. Together, we should all fight to ensure that creativity stays independent, lest the dinosaurs of old rise and seize back control once again ('cause they damned sure are trying)!

@fontende

2 жыл бұрын

It's time to investigate 🔎🤔🔮🗿🚬

@thatguyontheright1

2 жыл бұрын

Where I used to work, we dealt with these all the time

"I hate using bad tools even if I'm gonna do a bad job with them anyway." Man, I felt that one too hard.

@qwertpoiuy430

2 жыл бұрын

Once you start appreciating good tools, not necessarily expensive, but quality ones, you can never use cheap stuff again.

@haoye2413

2 жыл бұрын

Bad tools are really annoying, they feel wrong when you pick them up.

@frogz

2 жыл бұрын

a good tool in amateur hands will do worse than a bad tool in professional hands in many circumstances but a bad tool is a bad tool and will cause more damage to the product than a good tool in anyone's hands

@the_kombinator

Жыл бұрын

@@frogz Sometimes you work with what you have. As a kid, I had a 35w pencil soldering iron, but it did work for wiring, but not so good at ICs.

@frogz

Жыл бұрын

@@the_kombinator i use a weller gun for qfps, use what ya got

If you struggle to solder connectors and regularly melt the pins, make sure you are connecting the connector to its mate. It prevents the pins from walking from the heat and keeps them straight while soldering. It also and gives the pins more metal to dissipate the heat and prevent melting the plastic

@AaronHendu

6 ай бұрын

Great tip! I was melting XT60 connectors til I upgraded from a pathetic 30w iron with junk solder to a 65w with decent solder. The solder was the biggest issue.

@d614gakadoug9

6 ай бұрын

There are a lot of very badly made connectors around today. Instead of the insulation being made of decent thermoset plastic it is made of something easy to mold and super cheap like polypropylene. That, combined with poor quality plating in pins, makes some of them almost impossible to solder well no matter your level of expertise. That said, there _is_ considerable art in soldering wires to connectors. One of the most common errors I see is improper feeding of cored solder. It must be fed so that the flux flows over the joint before the molten solder does. I've seen videos that supposedly are teaching soldering where the solder is touched to the iron tip and allowed to flow onto the work. That is just wrong. A lot of people seem to want to slop extra flux all over everything. In the vast majority of cases that is completely unnecessary if your technique is good. I _do_ like to use a tiny amount of low-solids liquid flux for tinning small stranded wires to be soldered to certain types of very small connectors and sometimes use rosin paste flux for tinning large stranded wires, but other than that I very rarely use extra flux. I'd be extremely surprised if the number of joints I've soldered is less than a hundred thousand.

@bobsmith3983

6 ай бұрын

@@d614gakadoug9 Is that all 100K? I've done millions.

@cpzmelbs

6 ай бұрын

​@@d614gakadoug9any videos or channels you recommend where I could pick up knowledge and tips from? Preferably with DC, stranded wire type stuff I have enough knowledge to know when I'm watching someone who doesn't really have a understanding of the fundamentals, or why they're doing something a particular way. I often hear the statement "been doing it this way for so and so years, never had an issue" or similar, which is fine but when their intention is to help viewers it doesn't exactly provide much meaningful value. Combine that with poor video or audio and you've got A LOT of video to sift through and waste time on lol

@nukester.

5 ай бұрын

another tip, instead of plugging the male connector you are soldering, push its pins into potato or an apple or such. This method worked wonders for me =)

I have both versions of soldering iron. I’m not an electronics professional, I’m a field service mechanic and the cheap version has fixed everything from a stranded boat on the water to a forestry mulcher stuck deep in the bush. They both work really well I’ve never burned the cable feeding the iron just as I’ve never burned through my hoses on my acetylene torch. Maybe not for the electronics professionals but for the rest of us it sure beats the old butane butchery of yesterday.

@compzac

Ай бұрын

Thank you. that was the idea i had while watching. hes acting like this product is a full electronics professional kit and not just a here you go for the occasional solder when needed. it works fine. ive got one and ive never burned the wires, nor had any issues with it. though i already suspected the way the 120 volt supply was just by looking at mine and going... heeeeeeeyyyyy wait a minute that looks like a totally normal bi pin plug sand witched in place im gonna bet that they just shoved a power supply into the unit and called it a day. honestly i think they missed a good little trick they could have added and sold as a feature. move the plug somewhere else and add the ability to charge a battery. i know its not the most useful idea, but the power supply outputs 18 volts. same as the battery so all they would really need is the same logic that their chargers have which after taking apart a tiny ryobi charger i have... the charging circutry. is really pretty basic. seems like the batteries themselves handle quite a lot of the aspects of the charging and discharging as well as the over and under voltage stuff.

I’m a retired engineer. You spoke about the build quality of the internal PCB and the fact that they had not cleaned it. In recent years manufacturers have developed what is known as “no clean flux.” It contains no corrosive or conductive chemicals, dries hard so it does not attract dust, and does not need to be cleaned. The items you pointed out as rework on the PCB are more likely through hole components that can not be soldered in the same oven as the SMD parts. I also don’t think wire length has anything to do with cost, it has more to do with fitting everything into the box. You see this with many electronic products, even very high-end ones. About the only build issue that I think is a real problem is the PVC cable. I’m not sure why they made that choice, probably a cost thing. But it is a deal killer for me as well.

@Geopholus

5 ай бұрын

As far as not needing to clean flux off products... pure rosin core flux without a corrosive ingredients has been available for 50 years , and is not expensive. also a few seconds in an isopropanol alcohol bath is not difficult.

@MrPureBasic

5 ай бұрын

@@Geopholus Except you can't really bath a board that has wires soldered on it. Your bath content will creep into the wires, denature the flame retardant (if any) and lower their lifetime. I'm quite sure the boards have been cleaned after the SMD process, but not after the wires and TH soldering.

@stinkycheese804

5 ай бұрын

Ahem. Rosin core is corrosive, that's what flux IS. Some are just more active than others, but rosin is mildly hygroscopic so can cause problems in humid areas. Also, merely dunking it into an alcohol bath for a few seconds will not remove it. It needs abrasion/scrubbing or a much longer agitating bath for removal, which isn't really needed if they simply use no-clean flux/solder instead. There are many steps in design and manufacturing that could be idealized but in the end it has to be weighed what the benefit is vs all the extra costs. That does not mean that I feel a few cents more spent here or there, wouldn't be worthwhile but remember what Ryobi is, TTI's consumer grade brand for tools rather than contractor or pro grade. @@Geopholus

@Hawk7886

4 ай бұрын

​@@Geopholuslol

@johnnyveng4014

3 ай бұрын

With determination, one can fabricate a silicon-jacketed cable for this beast.

I've pulled apart tonnes of electronics, and i have to say the design of this thing is actually quite elegant. The fact that the power supply is fully contained in a closed frame pack is awesome. Imagine you go to add some water to your sponge and you mess up and dump water on the unit. That pack inside that houses all the high voltage is completely water tight. I know, not a super likely scenario, but if that plus the other things like not cleaning of flux (which would be an utter waste of time) help to keep the costs down then I'm all for it.

@AstrosElectronicsLab

3 ай бұрын

A lot of products now leave the flux on the PCB. It's some form of newer flux that doesn't become corrosive, so cleaning it off is a waste of time and money for the factory.

@Mark-pu4gh

15 күн бұрын

This guy is full of 💩💩💩. He obviously has a biased opinion of Ryobi tools. He cried and cried through this whole video. I don't take my tools apart for no reason. I prefer to work with them not purposely destroy them like this🤡

Those inverters are life savers! When the power was out during freezing temps, I had one and was able to store electricity in my batteries, recharge them in the garage so no door needs to be cracked to use the generator.

One advantage of those "internal" power supplies is that they can replace these with supplies for different regions without redesigning the whole tool.

@CathodeRayDude

2 жыл бұрын

I considered that, but I'm pretty sure the opening in the chassis is sized for a US plug and would not fit any others, and from what I've been told (and what research I've been able to do) the "hybrid" feature is US-specific, likely for that reason. In the UK, ostensibly, these just run off of battery only.

@virtualtools_3021

2 жыл бұрын

Unless they are really cheapest out on psu it should handle 100-240v 50-60hz easily

@kaligura666

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering this as well however I have a Bixolon Thermal Printer here where they also put a power brick in the case. It doesn't have a cable on it though, just a socket for a C13 plug (I hope that's what it's called), which would make it even easier to ship it around the world I guess

@TechGorilla1987

2 жыл бұрын

@@virtualtools_3021 I actually says that right on the case of the supply.

@AeroplaneJamie

2 жыл бұрын

@@CathodeRayDude we dont have these type of extension cables in the uk, where you can just connect them to a male plug like that. They would have to use an IEC type inlet for here.

"I never felt like using fire in my domicile, or even my subicile" This had me dyinf

@GP1138

2 жыл бұрын

I bet you could use the Cold Heat in a subicile.

@drasco61084

2 жыл бұрын

Makes you think twice about that e stim device video 👀 lol

@peterw1534

2 жыл бұрын

Is this like a dominant submissive joke?

@loganmacgyver2625

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterw1534 yes

@mitch3064

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I didn't have closed caption on, and didn't catch the subicile part. LOL.

Keeping the plug on the power supply is a stroke of genius. I love Ryobi. It works for me as a home owner/rancher.

this ryobi has become my daily use solder station. it gets hot nice and quick and holds temp better than any of my other rigs. the extra thick cord is a pain once in a while but im not really bothered. thank you for the video 🤘🦊💜

For soldering DIN plugs, just use the potato trick: Ram the plug into a raw potato, it will hold the plug for you and the wet inside of the potato helps cooling the pins so the plastic won't melt.

@videomentaryproductionschannel

2 жыл бұрын

At least some one on this channel knows what his talking about, used the same trick myself, I manufactured 4 ply boards for computers in the 80s, with a non temp controlled weller soldier iron, never had a problem I did 1,000s over my time, and you don't need to apply any pressure to the tip of Iron, those people that talk about soldier Irons need to know what there taking about first.

@infi84

2 жыл бұрын

or just plug it into a mating connector/cable in case there's no potato at hand ^^

@mndlessdrwer

2 жыл бұрын

@@videomentaryproductionschannel Exactly. Unless you're being lazy and using the soldering iron tip to scrape through the oxide layer on some solder blobs, you really shouldn't need to apply much pressure at all to the tip of the soldering iron. The trick is lots of flux and flowing new leaded solder into the existing solder to make it more workable. Also, using the right size of tip and soldering iron for the job. If you have to apply a lot of pressure on a wire junction to get it to soldering temp, it's likely because your iron is too small or it's unable to output enough heat to soak the wires.

@endymallorn

2 жыл бұрын

And you get a baked potato at the end!

@atomicskull6405

2 жыл бұрын

This Pace instruction video on cup terminals is invaluable: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kXuAx6Wtj9iZhZs.html If you haven't already try Kester #186 liquid flux, the stuff is great. You can get it off ebay in little syringe bottles. I was disappointed that they stopped making the Kester flux paste but once I tried the #186 liquid now I see why. If you absolutely must have paste Caig / Deoxit flux paste is a decent alternative to the out of production Kester. MG Chemicals RA is very powerful flux, but too good in some cases. It promotes too much wicking in stranded wire and it also needs to be cleaned. But it has it's uses in difficult soldering jobs.

Stumbled across your channel via the algorithm. At first glance I was like "who is watching a 47m video on a soldering station?". But here I am, 37m in, and I'm genuinely impressed. Youve dug into this at the level I like to see. Truly worthwhile content. Earned my sub.

@oddjobbob8742

2 жыл бұрын

Like all KZreads up the playback speed. Use the double tap feature to the right of the screen and voila, a 40+ minute KZread is done in 20 minutes, even with playback at slower speeds as the content demands.

@jonpearson6279

2 жыл бұрын

Same! I've soldered exactly 5 joints, ever. Still watched the whole video lol

@DrewWalton

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonpearson6279 I've soldered 0 joints ever but I've smoked countless joints 😉😂

@supportiranianfreedom4982

2 жыл бұрын

meeee tooooo!!!!!

@simontillson482

7 ай бұрын

Same thoughts here, and now it has over a million views… for a soldering vid! Who knew?

Having previously worked at a couple of electronic assembly jobs, my favorite iron was Metcal, but cost $800 around 1995. To hand solder well, I learned two tricks. 1) I prefer a hot iron around 800 F. It allows you to heat the joint quickly and then get off before the heat can travel too far. With a cooler iron you have to keep the iron on it longer melting or destroying what it is touching. 2) Flux is your friend. If attaching a wire I tin the wire first before making the joint. I trim the insulation and expose the wire extra long. With the end of the wire pointed down, I touch the iron on it and the solder allowing the solder to melt. I raise the wire up as I drag the soldering tip down and the flux allow the excess solder to pool at the end of the wire. I then trim the wire to the needed length. To solder your DIN plug, pre-tin your wires and cut the exposed portion 1/8”-1/4” long, or the depth of the solder cup. Touch the soldering tip to the plug’s cup with the solder in the hole. Once the solder melts and coats the pin’s cup, stick the tinned wire in the cup and remove the heat. The pin’s cup has good solder and so does the wire so your connection will be good.

@KlodFather

5 ай бұрын

I liked the Weller but we all preferred the Hakko soldering stations in mfg. When doing big things it takes more power. I also have Weller soldering guns. I am skilled enough to do printed through hole boards with chips using a 100/140 :) but I also have units up to 260, 340, and more than 400. The bigger ones around 200-240 are great for doing power and headphone jack bodies and metal shields around RF circuits. That 425 unit I have is great for PL-259 connectors and I even soldered closed a freeze crack in one of my waterpipes. I use it to solder copper connections on antennas and other tough projects. All of which require precision but lots of power. Good tip on the Metcal. I will have to look it up.

@jakeqwaninne8502

5 ай бұрын

your tips made a lot of sense ,and they actually worked to boot, most of what i need to solder is tiny , expensive guitar ,and recording gear stuff , with parts i can't tear out of my evil step-daughter's stereo or TV, ( i did steal stuff out of her PS2 ,lol ,,a momentary switch out of the controler, yes i was proud of myself), but anyway, it only seem to happen at like 2 AM or so, and you have to finish recording or you loose the vibe ,and i would always destroy most of what i was trying to solder ,but not now, so thanx

@stinkycheese804

5 ай бұрын

800F is much too hot, you either needed an iron tip with more thermal mass, or were not using a properly plated tip of the right shape to achieve good heat transfer. I agree with much of the rest of what you wrote, but would add that when soldering connectors, it is very helpful to have the mating other end plugged in, which both helps to pull heat away from the pin, and also holds the pin in the correct aligned position if the heat did begin to soften the plastic.

Thanks for letting people know about those cheapo irons at hardware stores. When I was younger and didn't know better i thought soldering was so difficult cause all I had experience with was those crappy non temp control ones. Recently I got a simple one with digital control and man it makes such a difference

@Fridelain

5 ай бұрын

My uncle, a long, long time ago, assembled kit radios in his mother's kitchen table, for a soldering iron he used a copper nail held with pliers and heated on the butane range. He sold and repaired radios as a side hustle. I made a solering iron out of a pencil, a small scrap of copper wire snd sone thinner wire strands to hold it together., which worked well enough until I bought a replacement. Both of those options worked better than the shitty irons at the corner shops and hardware stores.

@stinkycheese804

5 ай бұрын

Has nothing to do with temp control, rather it is the type of tip the iron uses. The cheap, screw in type that is nickel plated copper, is difficult to use if you don't constantly file the tip down to clean copper and tin it again, often.

@sugarbooty

5 ай бұрын

The radio shack pistol grip soldering iron is how I learned to solder, I think if you learn with bad tools at a young age you're really good with proper ones once you graduate to them. Brings back good memories.

I think using external power supplies encased in plastic housings is actually a step up for cheap products. Having one power supply design used in lots of products will most likely have a better average reliability than random cheap internal designs that are not standardized. Plus replacement is infinitely easier if the power supply does die!

@CathodeRayDude

2 жыл бұрын

Can't argue with that!

@NVRMTmotion

2 жыл бұрын

Plus, (assuming you know it's in there if it does) you can at least salvage a nice, safe supply before recycling the rest of it. I've gotten a few from laser printers I've salvaged recently, way more reusable than power supplies on pcb only.

@letthetunesflow

2 жыл бұрын

@@NVRMTmotion good point

@ruinunes8251

2 жыл бұрын

@@NVRMTmotion Very good point. I lately became a horder of all sorts of chargers. I keep all chargers before binning devices. Some of the chargers that come with some devices are cheaply made and they break or get faulty easily. So having spares is a bonus. Plus some mobile phones stoped supplying the chargers with the phone. So better keep the spare ones we already have just in case.

@ozzymandius666

2 жыл бұрын

@@CathodeRayDude With a bit of research and some work, you could make a killer station out of that thing. By "a bit", I mean "a helluva lot."

Caught this on my 5th re-watch of this video: Last year I bought a no-name Chinese “probably won’t set your place on fire” soldering station from Amazon and it also had the ceramic pencil style heating element. I can confirm that they’re super fragile and, despite the “engineering” steps taken to protect the element from taking the force as you described, it did, in fact come conveniently pre-broken from the factory. The manufacturer must have known that this was a likely situation to happen so they actually included a spare element in the box. The kicker is that replacing the element involves having to solder the new leads. 🙄

@joshm264

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a joke discussion I had a while ago of "how did we solder together the first soldering iron?"

@SelectKiko

Жыл бұрын

@@joshm264 very carefully

@edwatts9890

Жыл бұрын

@@joshm264: The first soldering irons were heated in a fire or on top of a stove.

@fss1704

Жыл бұрын

@@joshm264 lol i made a soldering iron for that, it's basically a resistance waterheater wire heating a thick copper wire, no solder.

@fss1704

Жыл бұрын

@@edwatts9890 i did that too, it's best if you have a bigass piece of copper

I took a broken blue-bosch 18V charger, and removed the internals, put in a 5-20V to 60W USB-PD PCB, 3d printed a little attachment piece, and soldered the wires from the battery terminals to it. So now I can power my Pinecil from my batteries that I use with my other tools that I keep in the van. Plus it doubles as a huge powerbank for my laptop, and other devices.

About the tapering screw holes: yes that's draft angle. Without it, the part would be very difficult to get it out of the mold

This is actually remarkably well made to use the bear minimum of parts and have the least assembly required. Some modeller did a great job to let others be lazy.

@kiryu11111

2 жыл бұрын

Actually sums up every ryobi product ive ever had to use.

@mickalinjezerx7104

2 жыл бұрын

That thing is going to get hot very easily.

@iamjackalope

2 жыл бұрын

@@mickalinjezerx7104 That all depends on how efficient the circuitry is. The power supply's won't get any hotter then the one on your lap top so there's no worry there and that control board doesn't look like it was designed to pass much current through it so I doubt it will get very hot. Designers know better then to design products that trap heat because heat is the number one killer of electronics and that means products get returned and manufacturers loss money.

@mickalinjezerx7104

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamjackalope You describe literally thousands of products. It doesn't matter how good the is. As far as I know where there is energy carries Heat.

@mickalinjezerx7104

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamjackalope well I never had a laptop but I have had a hot phone before.

I’ve owned the smaller version of this for several years. It has handled everything I could throw at it and even surviving a rollover collision when some chucklehead ran a red light and rolled me over. It ended up underneath one of my toolboxes and submerged in oil. 18 months later it still works, and only occasionally reeks of burning oil.

@xephael3485

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, he's ripping on it but they work great.

@deusexaethera

2 жыл бұрын

That last sentence. 🤣

@BD-xz6te

2 жыл бұрын

@@deusexaethera To be fair the soldering iron part was completely submerged in oil when I found it 2 days after the wreck. I cleaned it up and flushed it out with some solvent but I never could get all of it. The first time I powered it up it reeked of burnt oil but I kept it running and the smell went away. If I used it often there is no smell but if it sits for a few weeks I guess some more oil wicks it's way in from wherever it's hiding and it smells like burning oil for a few minutes. I've just learned to power it up before I use it inside a hospital or somewhere else where people might object. It's getting fainter. It's still the best portable soldering iron I've ever used. If it died today I'd go buy another one without hesitating. Rattling around in a service truck for years, getting rained on, dropped, smashed by a toolbox and submerged in oil hasn't exactly been an easy life for it, but the thing still works great. It's already lasted longer than my last 3 corded irons and at least two butane ones that were kept in the same environment.

Ryobi had a wallwart in it's hybrid fan too if I remember right. I'm surprised they didn't use silicone wire being a soldering iron.

As an Electronics teacher for 10 years, here Sydney Australia, I want to comment on your advice at 9.30 minutes in the video. The advice about pushing on the soldering iron and it can break it is completely incorrect. In 10 years of teaching around 200 students I never had a single Weller station soldering iron broken. Moreover, the advice as given by different manufacturers and electronics textbook state that when soldering let the heat melt the solder, pushing onto the pen will not melt the solder any faster. If you are using the iron as a lever that's completely incorrect. Solder should melt into the joint by heat transfer through the wires not by the tip. Your product review was excellent especially about the iron lead, and your suggestions are correct. I employed Weller temperature controlled soldering stations, they performed excellent considering the amount of use and abuse. Thank you for the review but I believe you should have used it to make further comments.

I work with PVC cabling all the time. Hang the base in place on a wall, then hit the jacket with a heat gun or blowdryer. Nice even heat, a bit of weight, and some patience, you will remove all of the natural curls. The jacket expands, then contracts to the new shape. It will behave much better after that. You can also wind it around a dowel to give it a tight curl like a phone cable. Handy.

@Boz1211111

Жыл бұрын

Completly agree, i do that to basically any new thing with a cable. But pvc cable is still not a good choice for soldering iron. Its much stiffer than it should be. Rubber is better but silicone is excellent

@KenJagers

Жыл бұрын

@@Boz1211111 Far less than ideal yeah, but it can be worked with if you're on a budget and have some patience.

@d614gakadoug9

6 ай бұрын

I often sort of nest the cable in a towel then blast it with a hot hair dryer. Once it is uniformly quite hot i'll work out the worst "kinks" by hand if necessary then hang it to cool, sometimes with another heating just before hanging. It is a horrible time waster but can make abominable cables into merely not-very-good ones.

@rocketsalad

6 ай бұрын

Replaced mine with a nice soft rubbery cord from Hakko 😅

@cpzmelbs

6 ай бұрын

Wow I'm stupid. You're a bloody genius, I know what I'm doing today!

I have used a butane soldering iron a lot, probably close to 200 times. Working on ships masts. The temperature control is there, it gets to temp quickly and stays hot up in the breeze. You can also use heat shrink with it and don't have to fumble with a cord while climbing. We bring a plug in electric one, but I've never seen anyone use it. That said, if we can do the soldering at a proper station before climbing then we will, especially if it's a lot of soldering, or we need a vice or something.

Similar to the phone charger cords, I really like the woven cloth cords that we had in the 60's. Those are awesome and I am glad they brought them back in a modern form. I am sure someone with a soldering iron (pun intended) could replace the existing cord with a woven cloth cord. As for temp, there are many cloth like materials (not asbestos) that can handle the heat. We use them in gloves, etc.

I find the design brilliant !

I worked with a lot of strain reliefs at UL when i worked there. That strain relief is pretty solid looking. There would be so much friction that the narrow teeth biting into the cable are probably not likely to cause much, if any, damage over the life of the product.

@jackass123455

2 жыл бұрын

I've already killed a cable in a ryobi soldering iron in less than a year of ownership. I just replaced the cable with some more heavy duty wire. Hasn't missed a beat since

@TheFrostcave

2 жыл бұрын

Dude side note your company blows my mind UL listings are everywhere and your field guys for recertification are super helpful.

To me, the bare ceramic is what I think of as standard under the tip. I think every iron I've ever used is like that. No need to make the heat transfer less efficient. With the tip screwed down, you won't have any force being applied to it.

@xVolta

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. My best station is a hakko and it's got the bare ceramic same as the cheap ones I've got from Chinese brands. They all work fine, I've never considered that a weakness.

@UnitSe7en

2 жыл бұрын

Ye. First time I saw it, I was concerned about how brittle it might be, but in practice never had it crack. It should be held in place and not rattle around - If it rattles it's not making contact and transferring heat.

@davidcoghill8612

2 жыл бұрын

Hakkos do at least have a replaceable ceramic element from what I remember. Some of these are likely built in a way that you can't get it out without destroying the handle.

@nsshurtz

2 жыл бұрын

Arguably using the ceramic core is less efficient than integrating the heating element directly into the tip, downside of doing that makes the tips more expensive and potentially harder to swap out. TS100 uses such tips.

@GoldSrc_

2 жыл бұрын

It's been the standard for over 20 years, he needs to do more research when doing a video.

You managed to fascinate me for 46 minutes. About a damn soldering iron. Thank you sir!

For about 8 years now, you can just get a TS80 and a powerbank or a TS100 with a USB-C fast charge to 12V adaptor. About a 80 bucks, open source, temperature controlled and modifiable. Also uses a great tip technology. Sure it's not a station but you can very easily make it into one.

@PhobosTK

2 ай бұрын

or a t12 kit for even cheaper.

I've been using a Hakko FX-901 for over a decade now for lightweight tasks, and it's worked very well for me. No, it doesn't have temperature control, but a set of 4 NiMH AA cells will give you over an hour of runtime, and you can put the cap back on it while still hot. Of course, it has relatively low thermal mass so it can't take the place of a proper soldering station, but for small parts (Game Boy mods, replacing capacitors, etc) it's very convenient.

@CathodeRayDude

2 жыл бұрын

Huh! It looks so simple, but I guess if it does the job!

@User_1795

2 жыл бұрын

I got the nice FX-1001 still 🤣

@brantisonfire

2 жыл бұрын

Who else read this comment in Colin’s voice?

@ThalassTKynn

2 жыл бұрын

I've got one of those hakko ones, too. It's fine for emergency stuff.

@randybobandy9828

2 жыл бұрын

Can't be more than 20w iron if 4 aa nimh cells will run it for a hour.

I've been liking my TS80P for portable soldering. I chose it over the TS100 because it uses USB Power Delivery instead of flat pack/drone batteries. I have an 18W PD battery pack that works wonders, and it can also use my laptop PD charger. Gets hot enough for any of my little projects and has swappable tips.

@IM_A_BEAR_LOL

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same for the same reason. Love it.

@OnlineWithRyanB

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment this same thing. The TS80p is absolutely tiny and heats up in seconds. Absolutely my favorite purchase.

@bobris

2 жыл бұрын

After going through two soldering stations, the TS80P is my new daily driver.

@Draxl2309

2 жыл бұрын

The TS80p and TS100 are incredible the Pinecil is also really great as well.

@mooommo14

2 жыл бұрын

TS100 is usb power compatible as well.

Your Video always bring me joy, glad to see your local too.. keep ‘em coming.

I’ve been using this exact model for at least a year and it works great.

The butane-powered soldering iron were usefull when I was installing marine communications and navigational equipment in medium size sailboats and powerboats back in the 80's, where a boat at anchorage didnt have 120 VAC "shore power", or you might be working up on the mast, in the cockpit, or on the boat deck where there wasn't an outlet available (for obvious reasons!). The butane iron was great for soldering PL-259's and other large RF connectors.

@venge1894

2 жыл бұрын

Was just going to say this. Some of the mobile mechanics in the locale use these things too. Pretty much anywhere where you can expect to not have access to a outlet. They have their uses.

@goodun2974

2 жыл бұрын

@@venge1894 , of course, ya' gotta be careful with an open flame around car and truck engines, marine engines, and bilges! I do wonder if any of the current crop if battery-powered cordless iron could solder the ground shield of a PL-259 connector; for that, you might need an invertor to provide 120VAC, and a BIG soldering iron, or a Weller 8200 gun.

@dandeson9723

2 жыл бұрын

butane-powered soldering iron one of my most used tool too, i keep one in my car if i somehow ruin my wires(i have alot of them going around), i could get one that works on 12v outlet or make my own one but its easier to use butane one.

@dannymiller6245

2 жыл бұрын

I use my butane powered iron for soldering and, recreational use

@vampricloki

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannymiller6245 I have one of the butane irons for doing the electrical connectors on farm equipment. they also work really well for melting a perfect hole in a plastic sheet to pass cables through without leaving rough edges that will wear the cable over time.

Haha, loved that powerbrick! Actually a genius idea 😂 also I can't believe I just watched a 45 minute video on a soldering iron

@z0rkmids

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this could have been a 15 minute video, I watched in 2x and still kept skipping ahead. Wow so much talking in this video.

@AccordionGoose

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't ever realize.... He talks very well!

@bishopp14

2 жыл бұрын

I did too! And I didn't even realize it 😂 Great video!

@WesB1972

2 жыл бұрын

@@AccordionGoose Too much!!!

Omg I lost it when you revealed the power supply! Was NOT expecting to see that. I've taken apart a lot of electronics in my life and this is a new one.

Stumbled upon this video while scrolling through random KZread stuff and stayed until the end. Oh man, I must say, besides such an insightful product review, you have a captivating storytelling flair that kept me spellbound throughout the length of the video. Withal, there were plenty of surprises that sequentially unfolded to keep it interesting and informative. Happily subscribed, shared, and liked the video. Keep the good stuff.

I don't know what I was expecting to be inside there, but it certainly wasn't that power supply 😱

@mndlessdrwer

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I trust its reliability more after seeing them just cram an entire pre-built DC power brick into the thing. It means that it's a component that works regardless of their engineering and they haven't messed with it.

@operator8014

2 жыл бұрын

I have a Caterpillar branded car jump starter that was built just like this.

@mfree80286

2 жыл бұрын

I'm old school enough that I was expecting the thing I always used to find in cheap but 'sturdy feeling' items... a big chunk of cheap pig iron glued into the bottom of the case.

27:30 Personally I prefer Torx screws over Phillips (and god-forbid, flat-head) screws. Much easier to align and nearly impossible to strip, especially because manufacturers commonly use some kind of Loctite on the screws when assembling products. The Nintendo screws are like the worst of both worlds-- uncommon bit AND easy to strip. lol. I have a set of Wiha Torx drivers that are awesome for taking apart all kinds of electronics, all the way down to T1 size. Bonus is that they double as Allen/hex drivers.

@atomicskull6405

2 жыл бұрын

Allen screws are also pretty good PROVIDED you use a decent set of allen drivers (i.e. not those god awful L-keys). Wera also makes what are called "hex plus" drivers that have a modified shape which puts more of the driving surface in contact with the insude of the socket. But yeah Torx are the best especially that there are no "metric" or "standard" torx they all use the same drivers.

@yellowcrescent

2 жыл бұрын

@@atomicskull6405 Yeah I have some Wera Hex Plus drivers in the L-key format which are pretty nice (probably some of the few L-key types that don't suck). Need to get a set of T-handle ones sometime... just need more desk/storage space first... lol

@blindsniper35

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah honestly I prefer torx as well. As someone who used to be a electronic repair technician torx was far better when I had to take things apart. Far less likely to break from my experience. Torx or Torx Plus is on a lot of insert tooling that I've used. It holds up really well there as well. Torx or Allen is way better than Philip or Flathead for anything that has to be used more than one or two times. Haven't come across hex plus before but it it seems pretty good as well. A bit into that repair technician job I bought a full precision ESD wiha set that comes with the metal holder and each different size/ type is a different full screwdriver. While expensive (350$ ish if I remember right) it was a great investment. That helped a lot on not breaking Phillips as well. Having the right size driver helps a lot on not breaking fasteners. Have it on my workbench at home now and it does have the right size to take that apart and would fit.

@armeli

2 жыл бұрын

I was kinda baffled at the torx part as well. To me torx is a sign of quality and I never use any other head be it the small repairs around the house or building electronics. Philips or PZ is only for those situations when I can't get the correct size screw with a torx head for some reason.

@REPOMAN24722

2 жыл бұрын

I like torx, hate security torx

I have an iron with an element that's similar with the ceramic piece and the screw on tip. It also has a thermometer and it really does work pretty well, since I've used those stick soldering irons with a vague wattage, and really I havent had terrible results, but my little off brand russian iron works surprisingly well. This was quite informative though, so I am taking notes! :)

I use those butane irons a lot for joining low voltage wires, they work really well for that because temp isn’t nearly so concerning on an 18g wire. I also used a simple pencil for years, they were fine for hobby through hole stuff (nothing huge or too small).

The butane irons are actual better than you think. I used them extensively to fix motorcycles for fun. I did it in a shed that had no power and it just made sense. I've redone a whole wiring harness with one and ridden that bike a few thousand miles. There is just a few weird quirks like you need to pay attention to where the exit hole is that the flame exhausts because it can melt plastic. There is also kinda temperature control with the gas regulator.

@cadikaorade828

2 жыл бұрын

Worth noting also that you don't light a fire when using a butane iron. The fuel flows through the catalyst and oxidizes without a flame generating heat but with more control. Since there's no flame, you can control the heat just by reducing the amount of fuel hitting the catalyst. Considering you can get a serviceable butane iron for under $5, it's a pretty great cost/performance ratio.

@stitchfinger7678

2 жыл бұрын

They're kinda scary and obviously have a learning curve but they are super duper neat.

Wow look at KZread actually recommending me a video as soon as it's uploaded! And just in time for lunch!

love this, at work we solder a lot of wires 20 to 12 mostly, and this works great as portabilty is what I needed. Oh had this well over a year now still works great tips last really long obviously if you take care of them bought one for the garage at home

I bought my own Weller temperature controlled soldering/desoldering station when I was working as an electronics technician for a local community college for the electronic engineering department. It was kept under lock and key when not in use. I retired after 20 years at the college and I still use it for my hobby projects. It is over 30 years old and Weller still makes the tips and heating elements.

I like the Ryobi tools specifically because everything uses the same battery. They haven't changed the battery in a way that affects compatibility for like 25 years, so I frequently find tools from their older dark blue line at thrift stores that work perfectly fine once I plug a newer battery in. I also gutted an old dead Ryobi Ni-Cd and instead of putting new cells in, I installed a barrel jack so that for lower power devices that aren't hybrid (but could be) such as the older lights, radios, soldering stations, etc, I can just power it from wall power and save discharge cycles on my batteries.

seeing that cable triggered me too. silicone insulation is the shit you want: it's super flexible, feels nice to the touch, and it simply does not melt, even when it's literally burning! (think of it being polymerised silicate, a.k.a. sand) PS: the perfect general purpose soldering tip, in my experience, is a single flat / beveled tip, of around 3-3.5mm, over those pencil points. the tip has a fine enough edge to work on PCBs, while the flat makes it super easy to feed solder into the joint, and gives you a big contact area, to easily heat up bigger parts.

@cheater00

2 жыл бұрын

lol your comment got copied by a bot and is higher in the comments now

@goodun2974

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, chisel tip for the win! It's a bit of a misnomer, however, because it's rounded, beveled and blunted, unlike an actual wood chisel.....

Just saw your video while looking for any info on the soldering irons' energy saving mode. I can't agree more with everything that's been stated here. The cable replacement to the iron is a future project for me to check out. My number one pet peeve is having the iron shut down while in the middle of a lengthy soldering session. Is there a way to defeat this "energy saving mode"?

That large boss on the P/S is likely to accommodate international plug configurations.

Reminds me of when I worked with high current circuit breakers on a 130kV facility. Breakers like these uses 4 to 6 large pretensioned springs. Springs that are something like three inches in diameter and three feet (around a meter) long. Pretension in accomplished with electric motors. A particular norwegian made breaker that I had never seen before used... Bosch hand tool power drills with a strap around the button as tensioner motors.

I used to work for TTI, and outside of upper management there's no Milwaukee crossover with Ridgid and Ryobi tools. Hart is basically rebranded Ryobi though. I might be able to get this video to the engineer that works on this tool, they may be able to make some improvements.

@CathodeRayDude

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info about TTI - I suspected that was largely a myth. People like to look at company ownership and say "oh they're the same company" but that's kind of the *problem* with M&A business culture - businesses largely DON'T truly "merge", and often don't gain any benefits from being part of a larger organization, they operate exactly as they always did but just have to give a chunk of their profits to a parent company. It would probably make a lot of sense to share engineering resources, rather than having a bunch of distinct companies reinventing the wheel, but that's almost never how it plays out. If you're actually able to get some feedback in on this thing (that would be wild!), besides improving the cable, a better detent for the iron holder would be killer - and if they REALLY want to stand out, put high-temp silicone overmold on the barrel nut so you can change tips while hot without pliers. Nobody in the market does that, and it would be a *wildly* user-friendly feature, especially for the home-gamer set that Ryobi seems to target. Heck, overmold the whole barrel, it's not like it's useful for that part to be hot (might interfere with thermal control?)

@KevinFields777

2 жыл бұрын

@@CathodeRayDude I'd also suggest a small fan inside to vent heat out. I don't know how likely it would be that the internals overheat, but this just seems to me a very practical thing that would only cost a few cents.

@alexs7670

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually likely that they shared manufacturing before the merge once Milwaukee started being made in china.

@KnappstersaurusRex

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexs7670 maybe some, but in day to day operations on the engineering side, there aren't shared resources between the Milwaukee engineering team and the Ridgid/Ryobi/Hart team.

@iwinrar5207

2 жыл бұрын

@@KevinFields777 it's only 45 watts. It's gunna be fine.

I have a cheap one from AliExpress. 120w digital readout, USB powered and it's slim and light. Works so well. I love the on off switch on it as well.

I have an Ungar Imperial soldering iron that I bought in 1964. It went through a few tips until I bought one that was gold plated (expensive too) which is still in great shape after almost 60 years. In that time I had a couple small battery irons for quick small jobs.

I definitely appreciate the use case larger, more "industrial-style" soldering iron stations. Honestly for me, I only do soldering on a small scale (hobby stuff type boards, microcontrollers and all that fun stuff), so the TS1000/Pinecil/etc is very convenient, since I'm surrounded by USB-C cables and chargers (but not really any large 18v power tool stuff) and it's nice and small (feels just like another electronic gadget lol). Totally fits my workflow, but I can see why it doesn't fit yours (and your concerns with the rigid connectors).

@dustinsmith8341

2 жыл бұрын

I have begun using soldering tips that screw into vape mods. Its super convenient.

@mndlessdrwer

2 жыл бұрын

A laptop USB-C battery bank with a belt clip and a 2M long USB-C cable would make one of those little USB-C soldering pencils into a totally workable portable soldering solutions. Well, as long as you're willing to carry a small bag with you to hold a stand, sponge, brass scrub pot, and some flux and solder. Still, totally doable and no less convenient.

@schroedingershat7912

2 жыл бұрын

@@christo930 I have trouble believing an iron that doesn't even quote power will be anywhere near as good as a TS100 clone at 65W powered by an RC battery or USB-C PD 20V with a much more massive tip. The only hint I can find is the replacement battery they sell is a 4Wh Ni-Cd which would seem to imply it would run out in a few minutes if it had similar power output (and Ni-Cd has a much lower specific power so likely can't even push that much current). Plus temperature control with a thermocouple close to the tip makes it far easier to get good results without burning things.

@Ascania

2 жыл бұрын

@@schroedingershat7912 BigClive did a video on the Iso-Tip iron and it does its job pretty well.

@n_3719

2 жыл бұрын

a ts100/ts80p/pinecil/any fx951 clone/t12 compatible station would blow this ryobi/888/936 clone/907 compatible out of the water. why? thermal conductivity. the reason why cartridge based systems exist like with the ones i listed in the beginning is exactly that. the older 936/907 design has a removable tip and the heating element is in the handle. with cartridge based systems, the heating element is inside the cartridge and there is no gap or anything inbetween. it is far more efficient. really, if the form factor of the ts100/ts80p/pinecil isnt what youre looking for then just get one of those t12 compatible/fx951 clones. there are ones with an integrated psu.

Having the brick inside is a fantastic combination of brilliant and cost effective engineering (They very likely saved a good amount of certification cost and time to do it that way). But that makes it no less silly looking, and that's OK, if it's stupid and it works etc. The hand feel of a Metcal is wonderful but I can only justify it to myself by doing dumb/intricate rework. Fantastic video!

@stephancasas

2 жыл бұрын

This comment came really timely. I took apart my fume extractor yesterday and was beside myself with how overpowered the 12V external transformer was for what was effectively a PC fan connected to a potentiometer in a plastic housing. It seemed unreal that they didn’t simply build the power supply into the housing, but your remark about certification cost makes sense.

I had to chuckle at This video a lot. My entire youth in the 1980s was spent doing electronics in the garage and in my room as a hobby. The only iron I could ever afford was at first a radio shack 15 w stand-alone iron like the ones you were ranking on, and a little bit later in high school. I was able to afford a new radio shack iron that was switchable between 10 w and 25 w. I still have that iron and it still works, though I now use a much better Hakko station. Projects I built 30 plus years ago with those cheap irons and basic solder Are still working fine. They were the standard for home hobbyists, including people building home computers. Temperature controlled irons were expensive and for people with money. The cheapo irons you pointed to on the shelf though that can be obtained today Seem to be nothing like those old radio shack irons we used to use back then. The new ones are absolutely garbage every time I've seen one and tried to use one.

Excellent review. I subscribed because of it. Thank you. I too do not do much soldering but I always want to have a great soldering base, and this one seems to fit most of the bill.

The tapered screw holes was probably also a cost-saving measure. Very minimally more plastic, to reduce the chances workers will get stuck fumbling around with lining up the screw head to the hole down in there, the taper just makes it magically happen so they can hurry up cinch it down and ship it.

@phs125

2 жыл бұрын

I've opened some radios with such deep screw holes, If they don't have the tapering, I can't know if the screwdriver is really in the slot or is it between the screw and the plastic. I broke a lot of plastic because I thought I was turning the screw but I was actually using the tip of screwdriver as a lever against the screw to break the plastic...

@AToolWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

@@phs125 My own experiences with non-tapered holes is what gave me the thought that this was their purpose too lol

@zachmiller9175

2 жыл бұрын

My guess would be they're tapered for better release from the injection mould but that would definitely be an added benefit.

@AToolWithTools

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachmiller9175 That's a good thought, that is possible, though if they're machined nice and tight to a 90-degree vertical it should theoretically yield the same results or even better results with releasing as there is less surface area contact with just a straight cylinder rather than a cone shape, but I wouldn't know as I'm not in the PIM industry. I just got to thinking about how tapers are used to *secure* things sometimes, even tooling and chucks.

@frogz

2 жыл бұрын

@@AToolWithTools this is the exact reason, anyone who watches AvE or another hacky tool-abuseing channel like this that has ever heard of the term Draft angle/relief, it is required for injection molding 0.5 degrees on all vertical faces is strongly advised. 1 to 2 degrees works very well in most situations. 3 degrees is minimum for a shutoff (metal sliding on metal). 3 degrees is required for light texture (PM-T1).(stolen from the web)

I brought one of these because of your video. I have been through so many irons and this has been the best I have had. The fact that it's hybrid is what sold it for me. I do a lot of RC racing of various genres and this has saved the day on so many occasions as of late. Thank you for the time in reviewing it.

@extec101

11 ай бұрын

came for that reason as a fellow RC driver this is nice and i need to pick one up as soon as posible. tho the iron that conect directly to a 2S lipo is a good choice for emergencies to bring out to the tracks.

Great video! I have recently been looking at that soldering station because I'm currently on the Ryobi system and looking for a portable soldering iron besides my current plug in Weller with no temperature control. I don't do that much soldering but when I do it's usually on a vehicle and I have to run a long extension cord. I think I might buy one, anyway the light that you brought out and took apart, I have the same light that I bought about 2 years ago and I actually forgot that it's hybrid I don't think I've ever plugged it in I just slap it down on the battery so thanks for the reminder, but I love that light. I keep it in my truck most of the time, but I live in a small town susceptible to power outages, so I use it for those and for gathering and chopping wood. It's held up very well I've dropped it a couple of times and it has a crack in the frame but still works just fine. Anyhow thanks for the great vid.

The power supply kind of makes sense if you realise that Ryobi sell in a huge number of places such as here in the UK with our 240 supply. Just slot in a different supply with a different socket - good to go. Very little extra training for the people that put them together. The moulding is all the same.

As far as burning the DIN connectors, you actually need a higher temperature. If the temperature is too low, it takes too long to heat the solder and gives the plastic enough time to melt. It shouldn't take more than a second for the solder to melt so that you can get in and out fast.

@tnuarb

2 жыл бұрын

Big tip and solder bridge 😎 I redid some GE proprietary connectors that were solder pots. They were so thick and the person before me cooked the 14g wire to the point there was no flex. 🙄

@samk4128

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. When he said that and was then slagging off the simple mains powered irons, I was thinking that this guy doesn't know how to solder! The fancy controlled soldering stations are nice but the basic irons work OK too. Another clue is that he said the tip bend, well they do if you put far too much force into them, trying to get heat into the item, especially if your iron is too cold!

@samk4128

2 жыл бұрын

Also he probably doesn't clean the surfaces he wants to solder, nor use flux other than in the cored solder!

@Slot1Gamer

2 жыл бұрын

you need good thermal recovery, i can solder connectors fine using a JBC core

Another benefit of those off the shelf power supplies is they're probably fairly well sealed against moisture, using an open frame design would require some additional weatherproofing. In this case if a little moisture got in it wouldn't be a major safety issue, just a reliability issue. Not cleaning the flux is fairly common these days, modern fluxes are typically designed not to be cleaned off. Instead they're designed to form a protective surface when they cool down, which prevents it from being activated by normal humidity etc. Obviously cleaning it off is better but then you have a lot of components like potentiometers, microphones etc. that don't really like being cleaned and so they would need special handling like masking off, or a separate soldering step with no-clean anyway.

@cheater00

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. Also better shock-proofing and frost prevention. A power supply weighs a bunch and if the base is dropped (like it's supposed to withstand), a lesser power supply could self-destruct under its own weight when being decelerated, or it could knock off some of the housing plastic. Plus you can use this stuff in -30 C and it won't bat an eyelid.

Wow! I guess i was expecting a big surprising fail at the end but instead, just got the tool version of a great vacation. All about the journey, not the destination. Crazy discoveries all through an extremely thorough tear down w heaps of passionate opinions, all culminating in a confidently voiced judgement of "a product". Yep. You want a product? Well, this may just be what you're after! It is, in fact, produced! 🤣🤣

I got one of these and it works great, I use it all the time. I did turn the iron holder around backwards so it don't stick out so far though. The cord is a little stiff but works fine if it's unwrapped and stretched out!

While working as an intern one of the designs I was working on my boss actually had me research current available solutions for multiple things including retention and signaling which is a good design practice. If someone makes something you can just buy off the shelf then don't recreate the wheel just buy it and use it! I love your analysis here but I also would like to say that buying the AC adapters to put in doesn't surprise me because of how cheap those are and how good they are able to be made at those prices. The fact that some engineer took the time to measure an off the shelf component to buy and slot into place is actually time well spent because they didn't have to pay 3 other engineers to help with electronics and board layout. Also, about the tip, the heater cartridge and tip system looks a lot like my Tenma soldering iron (yeah, go ahead and make fun of me for being cheap) which takes the same tips as RadioShack digital stations so maybe this is actually a connection style that Hakko licenses or is just easy to copy without running into patents. Either way I loved the teardown. Also, my dad has one of those butane ones and actually uses it as a butane torch too which is great when working on large wires or when you need to quickly melt some shrinkwrap... Not very good on complex circuit boards from what I've seen though.

@DeagleGamesTV

2 жыл бұрын

Good for the company, bad for the customer still.

@KaiserTom

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeagleGamesTV Nothing really wrong with using them if they are placed right. If this had more cooling vents and air channels it wouldn't be much of an issue at all for the customer. Also there's still a quality consideration there by the company. You can buy really good quality AC adapters for a higher price, and still come out under on overall product development costs. Or you just have more integrity as a company. Or they can buy the crappy ones that fail all the time. And it really does keep costs down for the consumer in competitive markets. Power tools is a low margin market overall. It's generally around 5-10%. It's highly competitive.

Sounds like the PERFECT "first soldering station" - sufficient to solder your own internals of your own custom soldering station, then gut this one and fill the chassis with the newly made internals with your own, while keeping the soldering iron itself (but swapping the cable).

@MiGujack3

2 жыл бұрын

You just described building 3D printers.

@aaaaea9268

2 жыл бұрын

No 3D printed thing will feel that solid

@sharpfang

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaaaea9268 I think he meant "buy a crap printer, print parts of good printer, gut the crap printer to make a good one."

@tubaeseries5705

Жыл бұрын

for 40 dollars just get zhaoxin

@UNSCPILOT

Жыл бұрын

@@aaaaea9268 as someone who prints in PETG, I beg to differ, if your willing to design it as such and put in the time to print something so overbuilt, you can make boarderline indestructible items (and it's kinda satisfying...)

wow the power supplies being still in there plastic case like a laptop charger or phone wall wart is amazing i never would have thought they were like that either very interesting man! im glad i subbed this is my new favorite youtube channel thank you for the informative high quality vids brother.

@grayhatguycompany1074

4 ай бұрын

It makes it easier to CE Mark or UL cert the design validating by similarity. This necessity can be a costly endeavor so much that I refer to it as a bribe or paying your protection money

I hate the wire on the iron, too. Is there a replacement wire we can purchase, so the iron is more flexible and easier to work with? Thanks,

The psu thing is actually really common and in my opinion, providing the units come from a reputable supplier and are of good quality (which seems to be the case given the one in the lamp) its a good thing. As I am sure you are aware a lot of old AV and computer equipment can literally destroy itself because poorly designed power supplies/systems that go bad, the most well known being the Commodore 64's infamous ”Brick of Death” but some early IBM and Apple machines have/had overheating PSU problems. Because these of the shelf units could be used for thousands of different applications the makers/designers have to try to cover all possible issues that could arise, including being in a confined space. Don't get me wrong I don't think for a second this is the real reason they do it, It is more likely they are avoiding some certification costs by having no AC wiring assembly in the case, and if they could do it in an even cheaper and inferior way they probably would.

"Who has a non-hex-bit Torx driver sitting around?" I feel attacked...

The flux on the solder joints is perfectly fine. It will help keep the joints from corroding due to moisture.

When I was still in school I had a Weller that pugged in the wall outlet, it was okay. Later on I bought a number of soldering irons, some were good and some were not. At this moment I use a store brand rechargeable soldering iron and it is a pleasure to work with, I even bought a second one for when my first one will break down. It is low on heating capacity, but it is enough for IC's, LED's, resistors and small things. After using it I carefully wipe the tip with cardboard, never with a sponge or steel wool.

5:34 this has to be my favorite running joke on this channel, and possibly ever

@eileenf7991

2 жыл бұрын

im so happy he uses it as much as he does, as it's one of my favourite modern memes

I've used this soldering iron extensively and it's great for what I use it for -- automotive work where I need a soldering iron that I can cram into a small space and do work where there's no plug. Also weirdly it has an incredibly long battery life; or maybe I just have really low expectations of batteries. You didn't complain about the thing I thought you would -- you make a big deal of temperature control, but you don't note on this that the temperature control isn't labeled except for the bottom and top range. It's honestly just a tiny step above no temperature control because you're just kind of guessing. I would have loved for it to have some increment lines on it personally, or maybe some lines for some common temps. By not marking the temperatures in a meaningful way, they're allowing it to be pretty loosey goosey without making it look like it's loosey goosey :)

@CathodeRayDude

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I'm pretty sure the temp control is terrible. I mean, something's better than nothing, and I intend to investigate later and see what it's actually sending on the power line to the heater, but I wouldn't be surprised if this thing wobbles all over the place. They likely didn't mark it because that would make the labels more of a lie than they already are, heh.

@TanabiGoat

2 жыл бұрын

@@CathodeRayDude I would *love* to see the results of this. I was tempted to try to find this out myself, but I don't have a thermometer that won't be destroyed by soldering iron levels of heat :) So I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

I modified a 20 dollar radioshack battery powered soldering pencil to contain an 18650 cell and a usb charge port from an e-cig found on the ground outside. It works fairly well. Its super shaky looking but it gets hot fast and lasts long enough on one charge to get thru some decent repairs.

The AC power brick has been independently UL certified by a company who makes power supplies. Any modification to it requires it to be re-certified, including making the AC cable shorter.

the tapering screw holes is likely so when you drop the screw into the hole it will end up in the hole instead of on a edge. so they were like "hey we are going to cheap out with these small screws we might as well make it easier get them in the screw holes." which is a nice thought if they used something like a flathead screw which gives you 0 control on position. but they went with torx. i actually think the power brick inside the product is a brilliant bit of cost engineering. the cost to make a good power supply in house or commissioned with proper certification is probably more expensive then buying what is likely a very high production psu. it also gives the benefit of the extra heft from the plastic. that being said the pvc insulation is not the best choice and the short cables could have been lengthen of not that much more.

@UnitSe7en

2 жыл бұрын

No, they didn't. That thinking would suggest that they expect or want the consumer to be taking out and replacing screws, and on such a regular interval that the assistance would be appreciated. An absolutely ridiculous supposition. The holes are tapered specifically as a soft anti-tampering method - Which is why they use Torx heads, too. That's why _anyone_ uses Torx heads. One of the most ridiculous things I've read. -They did it to make it easier to put the screws in. I literally can't even.

@cheater00

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnitSe7en someone has to assemble the units in the first place. making them easier to assemble - by making screws fall into their holes - is a huge part of designing for manufacture. Not everyone is out to get you. Also btw tin foil is not actually made out of tin... think about THAT instead.

@Murgoh

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheater00 yes, they only think of the ease and speed of assembly, having the screws automatically drop in the right place so the assembly worker then just needs to tighten it with a torque limited power driver and a suitable long-shank bit (the need for a proprietary bit is no problem in factory assembly) instead of having to chase the hole with the screw may save several seconds for every screw which will amount to a lot of time when assembling hundreds of units per day. So they don't make them hard to service on purpose, they give no thought whatsoever to serviceability as these are not meant to be serviced, they make them as easy and fast as possible to assemble because it saves them time and time is money. Many manufacturers DO apply anti-repair features but tapered screw holes and torx screws are not that, they are simply used to make the assembly faster. Torx actually USED to be an anti-repair measure but nowadays they are so commonplace that the tools are easily and cheaply obtainable to anyone so they are used because of their superior mechanical properties and suitability for mass production using power drivers.

Having worked in amusement game repair for 42 years I have to say this is the first unit that would have made my life easier. I'm retired but have used mine several times and it's exactly what was always needed on the road. Teaming up with my Ryobi in-car charger means all my tools will work all day away from plug-in power. For what it is it's 10 out of 10 for me. And the eBay replacement batteries last just as well as Ryobi for half the price. And work in 20 year old Ryobi tools still. There is no better system.

This video is how i found this channel and im glad i did ... Btw congrats on leaving the job. Keep going with the great videos 👍

18 volt cordless and 20 volt cordless are both running off of 18.5 volt battery packs. The brands that boast things like (20 volt max) (Dewalt) (Black and Decker) probably knew people would want to so called upgrade thinking its so much more power. It isn't. You can see this if you open up the packs and count up the voltage of the 18650's inside. Both have the same. 5 -18650 cells @ 3.7v

I have had my cordless Ryobi soldering iron for a while now and IMO it's amazing. It's always in my tool bag it has never failed me, so far has performed flawlessly. The cord might be a bit stiff but I can live with that. Since I have had mine I have yet to melt the cord.

@caleblewis2700

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I own both the Weller mentioned and this unit as well, and for on the go / lazy quick jobs, it's done me plenty well. I own a lot of different tools from different companies, and the most recent Ryobi tools aren't bad. They've made their reputation much better in the past few years, and I don't hate any of the ones that I own. The only complaint I've ever had with their products is the battery could last a hair longer.

@teddy5004

2 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah I've been wondering if someone is careless enough to set a soldering iron on the cord wether or not they should be playing around with heat sources or circuit boards at all.

@JackPorter

2 жыл бұрын

first thing i did was replace the cable sleeve, honestly can't complain outside of the cable.

@caleblewis2700

2 жыл бұрын

@@JackPorter good call

I think the use of the power brick inside the tool is genius tbh.

@bobsmith3983

6 ай бұрын

It saves the cost of EMC compliance and safety testing. If Ryobi designed their own they would have to go through compliance testing which adds cost. Many manufacturers also use off the shelf or customized of the shelf bricks. Faster time to market for the product using an already compliant brick.

@last808

6 ай бұрын

@@bobsmith3983 Yeah and there's no point it buying a bare one like he thinks they should have. If the price is right, who cares if it is over-engineered?

@chriss377

6 ай бұрын

Even better it makes a key component easily replaceable.

First I found watching a 47-min video on a product that I don't need until my current soldering station breaks was unneccesary. But then I realize you don't BS and I really enjoy having your explanation in the background! So I switched from Bach's lute music to listening to your video! Great work. I can't speak half as well as you. I would take this thing and mod the input jack from a 2-prong outlet to a regular 3-prong IEC C14 male jack, so I can just use regular power supply cables :)

I have been using a Radia Shack butane iron like that for like....damn, 20+ years😬 I mostly use it whe I'm doing wires outside or automotive soldering, but I used it on a lot of older electronics too. It was often easier than getting a cord and having room for the base etc. I worked on old Arcade games and was often in a really tight space when working non them. I would say about 85% of the solder types I did often could be done with one. The older the easier. Newer 1999ish+ surface mount is another story though. They are actually pretty nice to use and FAST!! if yiu need a fast solder, it's perfect. It's ready to go a few seconds after lighting it. They make a good cigar lighter, too!

As someone who runs a lab and does this type of work every day for a living, ……life is too short to have soldering iron‘s that don’t utilize soft and flexible silicon leads. Like with a nice high-end multimeter. Not only will you never burn through them, but the flexibility is absolutely mandatory when doing that stuff every day.

@sjuvanet

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, life is too short for that..... haha

@gregkrueger331

2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the cord would drive me nuts. My weller lead is just so nice and flexable and, i would probably get rid of the ryobi for that reason alone. Not to mention, tools like this may be useful for the hobbyists but no way would i use this or anything that i can buy at home depot or the like for certain stuff in production. They never hold up to the repeated use, i pack my weller in my electronic service case and it goes through TSA several times a week and works flawlessly every time. Try that with a ryobi. But I digress, my needs aren’t the next guy’s needs, that’s why I don’t mind when a regular joe buys junk tools because they don’t need them daily or abuse them like i do.

Honestly, respect to the engineers. It's a pretty elegant solution in terms of design. Sometimes the best engineering is doing the least of it!

@RhizometricReality

2 жыл бұрын

Other then the cord this is a nice product. For 20$ this would be worth it.

@MontegaB

2 жыл бұрын

@@RhizometricReality Yeah it almost seems worth it to replace the cable but looking at the tear down that doesn’t really seem feasible. That’s too bad. Hopefully Ryobi will get the message and improve the product

I have a hart one, it "doesn't have temperature control", but it have a internal potentiometer (and it also have temperature sensing on the tip). But yes the iron is basically indestructible. That mounting plate is insane, it's screwed-down, I have sent tons of pressure down the head, still the most solid piece. And I have used $1000 wellers. The ceramic they still do this, cartridge ceramics are a very recent thing. And yes, cheap regular wires. My unit don't come with a power supply internally, so I imagine the heat isnt really going to be a issue. The two power supplies are wild.

The Iroda gas soldering irons are excellent for where you don’t have power, the flame is fully contained and isn’t any more of a hazard than the hot tip or the hot shaft on an iron with a resistive element. They have a reasonable amount of temperature control too, and whilst you don’t have a defined setting, if you’re experienced with soldering, you just know when it’s right. PS, I use a JBC in my workshop.

@roberthorseman7432

11 ай бұрын

I had one of those Iroda gas irons it must have been a bit of a dudder the bloody thing exploded luckily I wasn't hurt that put me off using gas powered irons for life.

@Si1983h

11 ай бұрын

@@roberthorseman7432 wow, I have several that I’ve used for years and I’ve never had an issue, I consider them an essential tool as a live sound technician, so much easier for repairing a lead in situ… things get snagged and with the iroda iron, it’s a 2 minute fix, often quicker than running a new cable.

@roberthorseman7432

11 ай бұрын

@@Si1983h Yes I was quite disappointed when that happened quite frightening.

I think you might want to reconsider butane irons. Additionally you don't NEED temperature regulation, that's only been common the past 20 years or so. People have been making beautiful joints with unregulated irons for a very long time. It's not about how hot the iron gets it's about how hot what you're trying to solder gets. If it's getting to hot lift the iron away, too cool and reapply the iron. Be your own thermostat. Sure temperature control is nice with like chips and such but no where near necessary if you're just trying to join up two wires.

@topspeed250k5

2 жыл бұрын

Good comment. When he was bagging them I had severe eye-roll. He just doesn't really know what he's talking about.

@Yukanhayt-Mhenow

Жыл бұрын

my butane iron is 20 years old and has soldered thousands of joints in hundreds of cars and appliance repairs, some desk projects and is still going good, I have 3 electric irons, 1. is 130w max constant heat and it sucks! 2. is so old and huge I could heat my house with it 😆 3. is adjustable up to 450°c and it's good... about 10 years old too!

I use this iron on occasion, it has yet to fail me. I like that I can store it in a big toolbox and pull it out for a short project without connecting it to the wall. Love it.

@acid3129

2 жыл бұрын

And now you know if you don't have access to an extention cable and your batteries are dead you can just take the shell off and pull unscrew the plug bit and plug it into a wall directly

I loved the Cold Heat! Made the best sound when chucked into a metal trash bin. Went back to my Radio Shack special. Looking to upgrade to something with a bit more in temperature control other than plug/unplug.

We used little butane torches most of the time for soldered connections in road construction truck assembly, using the very tip of the flame. They worked surprisingly well once you got used to them and were faster than irons. Could easily shrink the heat shrink with them too. Also, no batteries, just a quick fill-up. But for finer jobs, an iron was the way to go.

8:50 - I used SO many of those cheap irons from Radio Shack,for like 30 years. Literally used them until the tip corroded away to an unusable nub,then bought a whole new iron. They worked fine. Temperature control is nice,but often not necessary.

@hi_tech_reptiles

2 жыл бұрын

You are a madman then. I used them and for circuit boards they are a nightmare, especially compared to a 120$ Weller. Nothing crazy, but even a cheap intro soldering iron changed my whole game. As did a hot air station.

@Zahgurym

2 жыл бұрын

Same, I have a "nice" iron that I almost never use because one of these is usually closer. Lol Also gotta love an iron you don't mind using to light your cigarette if you lost your lighter.

@hi_tech_reptiles

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zahgurym a TS80/100 is decent for that. I never got one but have seen them used in uncomfortable situations and have considered it. It's annoying to have to disassemble things and get them to my bench to fix sometimes. But a 25$ single temp iron would just drive me nuts lol

@DeadNoob451

2 жыл бұрын

I tried to go for that too, but it just does not work nearly as well these days. I would assume that a) quality of these went down since and b) wretched lead free high-temp industrial solder. That stuff won't even get soft from many cheapo irons unless you bake the crap out of the joint. That being said, these are amazing for working with plastics.

@PunakiviAddikti

2 жыл бұрын

@@hi_tech_reptiles I have a Weller SP25L. It's the same type of those cheap ones but it's actually good quality, over 10 years and it still works fine. The tip has lasted all those years. I have a soldering station now though.

While the iron itself would melt through, the rating is intended to give you an idea how hot the cable itself can actually get. The markings are intended to help you figure out what cable to use for a specific application. Essentially it's saying "Hey if you run enough current through here, it's going to melt and catch fire right about this temperature."

@gormster

2 жыл бұрын

24:17

@dirediredude

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I really didn't like that this was a significant section of the video. It's the wrong meaning as you said and if that's what he's worried about might as well spend 5 min telling people not to rub the iron on their fingers either. Seems like Ryobi considered this as well with the cool down warning light. But alas can't engineer for every single use case.

@eddson11

8 ай бұрын

If you push enough current through a cable for it to reach 80c you've got way bigger problems than your cable melting and catching fire.

@stinkycheese804

5 ай бұрын

No. If your wire is (self) heating up much at all, it is too small a gauge for the design current or the circuit has a fault. On the other hand I do agree that the specs are needed to determine cable compatibility in extreme environments, for example an engine harness or on the space shuttle, inside a toaster oven or curling iron, etc. Most of these applications are also those where you can't use solder, must crimp or weld/etc.

@jeffreyblack666

5 ай бұрын

No, it has nothing to do with the current rating. It is to to with where the cord is expected to be. Some devices are made so their power cord will remain cool, and are fine with an 80C one. Some are made such that even the receptacle for the cord can be over 80C, and so need a better cord.

I have one of these and like it. I agree that the cord could have been made of silicone rubber, but I also know there are plenty of soldering irons that use PVC cord. I did find it somewhat amusing how they used a stock power supply block instead of an open frame power supply. Perhaps, as you said, it was to get around having to certify the power supply. I'm not disappointed in the build quality of this soldering station, but it was interesting to see what it is on the inside. I still think it's well worth the price I paid, but I buy my Ryobi tools refurbished or factory blemished from Direct Tools and pay a lot less than retail. Maybe someday I'll get inside it and replace the cord to the iron and install some sort of locking connector at the back of the iron and at the side of the shell so that it can be replaced. I doubt it will wear out on me but if it does, this might be something I do when I repair it. They do make a much brighter portable LED light, which I almost bought last time I was at Direct Tools. At full charge, the peak voltage of an 18V Lithium-ion battery pack can be a bit over 20V. The 20V wall wart inside the light you took apart so the light will be right at home with the 20V rated wall wart. Thanks for the video!!!

I have all Milwaukee tools . I was very hesitant to buy the soldering iron from them because of the bad reviews I was reading about it. Well lo and behold , Milwaukee supposedly took care of the problems with this iron . So I bought one about 4 months ago and it’s been working great all this time . I think it’s a good iron for quick repairs. I don’t think it replaces a bench iron and I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the intention. I work on pinball machines and this iron is fantastic for on the go “under the hood” soldering . It heats up pretty quickly and when I’m done I just stand it up on the battery end . If you’re doing a lot of soldering , there’s no battery equivalent that will replace a corded station . Thanks for your video , was very enjoyable to watch !