MC-21 300 is the version with PW engines. The plane with PD14 engines is called MC-21 310.

@13attr

15 күн бұрын

MS-21!

Irkut being forced by sanctions to retool its supply chain reminds me of Tesla's early days when they were boycotted by many suppliers. They had to build everything from the ground up and become highly vertically integrated -- now recognized as a core strength of the teracap company.

@sadiporter2966

Жыл бұрын

why were tesla boycotted by their suppliers?

@johngraham245

Жыл бұрын

The key difference is that a vertical monopoly requires scale - obtained by Tesla through a large domestic market plus overseas markets. Irkut has only a modest domestic market, as not even Russian "allies" will buy planes they cannot fly into most countries and which cannot be on sold.

@Max_Da_G

Жыл бұрын

@@johngraham245 Most WESTERN countries. Flying inside Asia, Africa and Latin America doesn't require EASA or FAA certification, given that they are only needed for US and EU. Perfectly fine for domestic routes.

@alinaqirizvi1441

Жыл бұрын

@@johngraham245 Iran will probably buy for domestic flights and flights to countries like Iraq or Pakistan

@timur3505

6 ай бұрын

@@johngraham245 Typical Western egocentrism. "Most contries", "whole (civilised, free, etc) world"... And when you write about Western American "allies", it's without quotes, isn't it?

What is the point of the tenor of your report? Russia have been planning on building the PD-14 since 2000. In fact the Aviadvigatel wasn't ready at the time of MC-21's initial development and Pratt and Witney already had an engine available. Secondly, the PD-14 was first fitted to the MC-21 prototype in 2019 which has nothing to do with current sanctions. Indeed it was the 2014 sanctions which accelerated the PD-14 development. Perhaps you should point out that P&W's engine was saved by Irkut's purchase of the type. Sadly for Pratt and Whitney , they've now lost a customer forever! What a shame.

@GintaPPE1000

Жыл бұрын

The copium is real. The PW1400G intended for use on the MC-21 is the same engine that powers the A320neo family; literally nobody outside of Russia cares that Irkut isn't buying them anymore.

@tmstms2769

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@kruno1861

4 ай бұрын

MC-21 lost western customers customers forever

The most daring and suicidal idea was to develop it using western parts. Why was it primarily designed with pw1400? These are the faults of governors. This project was able to be introduced many years ago if we hadn't relied on airbuses and boeings this much and on western suppliers.

I think Russia can do without any help from the West.

@johnstuartsmith

Жыл бұрын

Not as well as the West can do without Russia.

@rakesharamaiah2737

Жыл бұрын

😂 Russia is very good Jet engine, without them even USA can't build engine

@Etherus69

Жыл бұрын

@@rakesharamaiah2737 Germany invented the jet, without them even Russia couldn’t manufacture one.

@Michael-it6gb

Жыл бұрын

@@Etherus69 Actually Whittles Rolls-Royce engines made a much bigger influence on modern Jet-engine design. Both American and Soviet.

@chaoszombie9995

10 ай бұрын

Yet most of the computers on the MC-21 is made by western companies 🤨

Russia was working on the "PD-14 engine" before the issues with sanctions :)

@alexanderbelov6892

Жыл бұрын

UAC conducted 100+ flight tests of MS-21 with production quality PD-14. Tests will be finished in nearest months.

@fogi31

Жыл бұрын

It is high time to restore aviation fabrication in RU and CIS

I'm sure it will be a huge success, Beautiful looking aircraft. Gorgeous looking cockpit. Russian engineers building Russians planes, flown by Russian pilots, maintained by Russian mechanics to fly Russians from point A to point B.

@jean-francoislemieux5509

Жыл бұрын

and when it crash it will be a 100% russian crash so we d'ont care ! lol😝

@yhird

Жыл бұрын

@@jean-francoislemieux5509 Wow. I don't know what it's like to hate people like that. To wish people to die on a plane. Who did you say you were with again, Al-Qaeda?

@jean-francoislemieux5509

Жыл бұрын

@@yhird no they specialize on hating women and music, i just hate everything russian

@jean-francoislemieux5509

Жыл бұрын

@@yhird also i didnt say it was going to crash with passengers...

@yhird

Жыл бұрын

@@jean-francoislemieux5509 What do you expect a PASSENGER JET to crash with, fish?

They can build it, why rely from the enemy.

It always was their intent to offer a MC-21 variant with Russian engines, so sanctions simply fast-forwarded things.

@Sophie-and-Ken

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but not they won’t be able to export the planes. Nobody wants Russian engines but Russians.

@Archduke17

Жыл бұрын

@@Sophie-and-Ken - They'll be able to export to countries that don't want their human rights records scrutinized.

@sakasaruuni101

Жыл бұрын

@@Archduke17 not really , US and its little dog england wont be buying

@echo5935

Жыл бұрын

@@Archduke17 the US has done way worse things than russia and no one does anything to them

@68404

Жыл бұрын

@@Archduke17 The USA can hardly claim to have clean hands in that area

Russia will find a way.

There's a huge market for Russian PD-14 engines. China already placed orders for their own new jets and Chinese orders are huge!

That should really inspire confidence in the program.

@edwardgiovannelli5191

Жыл бұрын

Confidence? A russian designed, and manufactured, airframe that was intended to use a long list of western components, being retrofitted with whatever comparable components they can scrounge up in russia. Nothing about that inspires confidence

@parrotraiser6541

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardgiovannelli5191 Precisely.

Given the urgency of the situation, and the fact the MC-21 used a lot of foreign components from the outside (it was always going to be offered with the PD-14 domestic engine option, but a lot of other foreign components were never intended to be offered with domestic analogues) I'm surprised UAC didn't put the MC-21 on the back burner and instead revive the TU-204SM project, but with the PD-14 as a "TU-204neo" type project. You'd think getting something out the door that's sanctions proof would be their number one priority right now. Russia is a large country with many remote spots that absolutely rely on air links. A "TU-204neo" and accelerating the IL-117-300 really should be top priority to cover most commuter and busier short/medium routes. The IL-96-400M would cover domestic long-haul needs (the TU-204SM, even with the new engines couldn't provide non-stop service from Moscow to the Russian far-east / pacific coast) and most intensive traffic routes, but at present is being proposed with the existing PS-90 engine family, as the PD-14 is in a lower thrust class and doesn't meet the 170kn thrust requirement for the -400 series. There's meant to be a geared, high thrust version of the PD-14 under development (the PD-18R) but it's still on the drawing board. The PS-90 is a whole generation older than the PD-14. The latest version to enter service was the PS-90A2 which *did* bring a lot of improvement in performance and efficiency, but also incorporated some western components, so it's unlikely this could be used. There is supposed to be a PS-90A3 version which builds on this and incorporates some PD-14 elements but it's unknown if it retains the western components or not. If it does, the IL-96 will be stuck with the PS-90A and PS90A1 versions, which are the oldest and least optimised.

@maxinfly

Жыл бұрын

Most of "other foreign" components are not necessary from hostile countries. P&W - just have no much alternatives as just few countries are making turbofans.

@martijnstam6186

Жыл бұрын

@@maxinfly So you believe Russia can build aircraft without machinery, electronics and cockpit avionics? Good luck with that. It's going to be Tasty and Lada from now on.

@maxinfly

Жыл бұрын

@@martijnstam6186 I expect you think that planes like Su-35 have none of mentioned and nor you expect we could buy it in other countries than EU or US. Will see

@selassietetevie4966

Жыл бұрын

@@maxinfly people like Mr Stam where probably laughing at Huawei and Chinese High speed railway, saying they would never challenge Nokia or Siemens, well I think he knows better now

@edwardgiovannelli5191

Жыл бұрын

@@martijnstam6186 They will be using the avionics from their tank turrets. They fly pretty reliably.

Russia is restoring production of the four-engine Il-96: "The new experimental Il-96-400M, created as part of the Il-96 family aircraft modernization program, is being prepared for the first flight (07.06.23). The aircraft is equipped with modern Russian avionics equipment, including a new avionics complex and other systems and components. The lengthened fuselage makes the aircraft more spacious and attractive to operators. Previously, only the Il-96-300 was produced in the passenger version. So the problem with foreign components in the equipment on the MS-21 is also being solved, and these developments are used in the updated Il-96."

자세한 설명 감사합니다 👍

An actual person narrating, some relevant images in the video... seems like a dream!

This aircraft gave Russia hope for the revival of its aircraft industry, and its simply very beautiful 🙂

@martijnstam6186

Жыл бұрын

These planes and the PD-14 engine must go through a certification process and mass production must be facilitated which takes years. All machinery for manufacturing comes from western Europe. Also Russia doesn't manufacture cockpit instruments for passenger aircraft. So with their current stolen fleet running out of spare parts the Russian aviation industry is doomed.

@user-mo3cf8he7g

Жыл бұрын

@@martijnstam6186 how many passenger airliners in this world are entirely produced in one country + how many countries were able to at least partially build an airliner after almost 35 years of stagnation in the industry? At least it's designed and it flies

@martijnstam6186

Жыл бұрын

@@user-mo3cf8he7g All passenger aircraft have foreign parts. Issue is that Russia cannot source these anymore.

@user-mo3cf8he7g

Жыл бұрын

@@martijnstam6186 well, the only question is corruption, if you wish, you can buy anything

@martijnstam6186

Жыл бұрын

@@user-mo3cf8he7g Sure, buy truckloads of machinery from France and Germany to build planes illegally.

I have been on Russian TU jets, they are tough, functional and comfortable.

@edwardgiovannelli5191

Жыл бұрын

... and sometimes they even fly.

@manidhiman15

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardgiovannelli5191 still have less crashes compare to Boeing

@AlbionTVLondon

Жыл бұрын

I also remember very nice Tu jets. Even very old models of Tu jests are very comfortable and are in fact better than some modern Airbus versions etc. Russia is bringing more new Tu jets out thankfully.

@YellowGun114

10 ай бұрын

​@@manidhiman15that's because few airlines use them. Even Russia airlines don't use Russian planes!

@mrobocop1666

8 ай бұрын

@@YellowGun114 crush number counted in per capita, per flight hours

Way to go!

It's astonishing that some companies are still having business with the USA.

By the video the test aircraft that I presume is operating at a reduced weight seemed to accelerate very slowly.

@Max_Da_G

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the thrust setting.

The push needed by russian aerospece Industry came in 2022 so all investment are now directed toward national R&D instead of buying foreing products

Let's see how this goes..

@CH-pv2rz

Жыл бұрын

Straight into the ground….

Beautiful aircraft.

In the short term, the sanctions will slow down the commercialization of this plane. In the long run, it will accelerate the development of the aviation industry not only in Russia, but also in many other countries, not to mention the amount of money that will flow from the hands of western manufacturers into the pockets of others. When you sell something and prevent the buyer from buying from you, you force him to buy from others or make it himself, only the seller is at a loss. Smartly played.

@alanmoore2197

Жыл бұрын

Russia's airlines may be doomed. This plane cannot support everything they need. They will not be able to lease western planes for a long time after defaulting on existing leases...

@dekik.979

Жыл бұрын

Yea, it's gonna be dificult but look, Russia stepped forward and others will follow

@leonardpearlman4017

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm wondering how Pratt and Whitney feels about this? Is this really good for America? In other circumstances might these engines have come from Ukranian factories? Everything is so darn complicated!

Why not ?

There are pd8, pd14 and pd35 for new Il96 with 2 engines.

It's not just the engines: a huge percentage of the airframe is composite materials. And to build those, it's not just the fiber and resin supplies, but all of the associated tooling, curing, trimming, and inspection equipment that is western-sourced. You can hang another engine on it, but the airframe material change would necessitate an airframe redesign, or complete development of a composites infrastructure which is quite longer than a two year project.

@user-kw4jw4jd2o

Жыл бұрын

Тупой! Иркут уже собрал самолёт с чисто российским "чёрным крылом", из материалов, произведенных компанией РОСАТОМ... Самолёт уже год летает... Углеволокно и связующие производились ещё в СССР. Первая лодка "Age of Russia", из советского углепластика, для Кубка Америки были построена в 1990г за 3 месяца... и только недавно её разбили американцы в Сан-Диего, на острове Коронадо... а был архитектором проекта

@A64632

Жыл бұрын

happily sanctions for composites was in 2018, so, today it’s already solved.

@SteveandLizDonaldson

Жыл бұрын

@@A64632 Your comment shows that you are not at all in the field of fiber reinforced advanced composites for aerospace structures. It takes so much more to make a composite wing than just the raw materials. But keep living your fantasy, and we'll see how much of the world buys this airplane. And, building one or two is very different than putting a prototype into volume production, as Airbus and Boeing know already. I'm not saying russia cannot do it, but I am saying the last time russia went on their own was during the cold war and, despite what you have been taught, the russian aircraft produced then were abysmal, and 30 years behind western technology. Have a nice day!

@boikanyoonneng9170

Жыл бұрын

This is so wrong

@thomashennigan1676

9 ай бұрын

@@boikanyoonneng9170 Boeing has sold junky aircraft

lo possono fare senza troppi problemi...

USSR/Russia had great tradition of producing variety of aircrafts. Those who can built AN 225, can built anything. But unfortunately, USSR was sabotaged by leaders like Gorbachev and Yeltsin which triggered ultimate disintegration. It's good that Russia could find a patriotic leader in the name of Vladimir Putin. It will take few more years when Russia will be able to modernize her old beasts like Tupolov, IL 76 and IL 96-400 MD etc. We are eager to see large aircrafts flying with PD 35 engine and the development new cargo plane Slon / Elephant. Expansion of BRICS attaches great importance in this regards. Hope, in near future we will see extended BRICS that includes countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, Indonesia, Thailand, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela and many more emerging economies. This extended BRICS will ease out supply chain and most importantly market creation. These countries can then impose sanction on Airbus and Boeing to source alternative aircrafts from Russia and China.

Perfect timing given all the problems with the Boing 737 MAX.

Unfortunately for Russia, the engines are not all the imported parts. I have no doubt they can make a reliable airframe but that is only part of what makes a reliable aircraft.

@kabzaify

Жыл бұрын

Are you serious, they make and design parts for Boeing and Airbus.

@59jm24

Жыл бұрын

@@kabzaify Sorry you are wrong. Why are the orcs catabolizing planes for parts. do a little research.

@virgilio6349

Жыл бұрын

@@59jm24 hmm, could it be because while they do design and produce parts they are also being hit with one of the biggest embargoes since Cuba?

@a.l.g4017

Жыл бұрын

I can name only one kind of parts never produced in Russia before: inflight entertainment systems. ALL other components, including most sofisticated flight control, navigation, autopiloting, radars, all electrics, hydraulics, composites, paints, all kind of chemistry and non-metals - all of them are yet produced in Russia for quite long. You do not hear of this much because they're made for VIP jets, governmental planes, warbirds and so on. All the industries needed are yet here.

@rkan2

Жыл бұрын

There are no Russian made passenger jets without western avionics past the soviet designs.

Is this airplane ever going to enter service?

@johniii8147

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Maybe no

all the videos talks about the MS-310 with PD-14 yet all the videos are about MS-21 300 with PW engines

Am I right when I say the "PD-14 powered MC-21" shown here bears the proud American eagle of P&W ?

@OOpSjm

Жыл бұрын

They are removing the PW engines and installing PD units on all models going forward

@SeanMirrsen

Жыл бұрын

The one shown here, yes. It's an airshow model, made to show off the design at the MAKS-2019 expo. There is no footage of MC-21 flying with PD-14s yet, I think. The only footage I saw of one was a yellow-colored testbed aircraft.

@OOpSjm

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanMirrsen PD-14 equiped aircraft have been flying for a year now.

@faranger

Жыл бұрын

I was the first flight test engine mechanic in 2017. It would have been smart for Boeing to build the Airframe under license.

@faranger

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanMirrsen It is the first Aircraft

Nice!

Wonder if they will be considered airworthy as hybrid Airbus and Russian engine?

@alexanderbelov6892

Жыл бұрын

Airbus can buy PD-14 as alternative engines supply.

@TheMrGREENRay

Жыл бұрын

maybe for domestic use.

Russian engines? Not a good record. Perhaps Putin will try it out. Let's hope.

@SteelheadCrusher

Жыл бұрын

LOL. Is your hatred for Russians so extreme you think they can't build functional jet engines?

@johnstuartsmith

Жыл бұрын

Putin will be firing managers and throwing engineers out of windows until he can announce that the special engine making operation is going to plan.

@Krendel1999

Жыл бұрын

Please not hope we don’t have anything and after war we will eat grass like 🇰🇵. Thanks Putin. 😢

They dont have the avionics and computer systems,, fly by compass maybe

@matsv201

Жыл бұрын

China is not boycottnig Russia. While China don´t have very much silicon production, they have a lot of silicon logistics. They could easily sell it to Russia with out it being obvius

@lmlmd2714

Жыл бұрын

They do, and Russian avionics suite has always been an optionable component for the buyer on this model. That won't be the hard part. The hard part will be the myriad of small components from all over the place baked into the design.

Will this airframe fly with vintage steam engines installed?

@hepbhblehot8237

Жыл бұрын

I doubt that Russia will need them. But it's time for you to get used to them. Since you are the one who does not have fuel, not the Russians! Lol :)

@peterebel7899

Жыл бұрын

@@hepbhblehot8237 Nice to meet a Russian troll! Russia will adapt, don't worry. Putin will end like Hitler did.

@izeezisegy2514

Жыл бұрын

@@hepbhblehot8237 : They don't have coal either.

@edwardgiovannelli5191

Жыл бұрын

@@hepbhblehot8237 All the fuel in the world is useless without planes or cars. And to set you straight, the United States produces approximately 50% *more* oil and gas than russia does, so you might want to rethink your schadenfreude there comrade.

IT'S A BLESSING IN DISGUISE MORE SANCTIONS MEANS MORE SELF SUFFICIENCY FOR RUSSIAN INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY IT MAY TEMPORARILY DELAY SOME PROJECTS BUT ITS BETTER IN THE LONG RUN

Well, maybe in the long run, the dependency on western jets will come down. Downsides to the sanctions not anticipated.

جميلة جدا سيكون الطلب عليها كثيرا

Awesome

We want to believe that commercial engines are more powerful than those in Sukhoi S-35. Doesn't make sense

@definitelyfrank9341

10 ай бұрын

Well, it is.

about time to not rely on any unreliable partner.....

Good luck..

Let’s move the clock forward and say all this trouble in Ukraine is over 🤞 question would Russia ever buy aircraft from Boeing or Airbus in the future ? I think Not 🤷🏼‍♂️

@rinse-esnir4010

Жыл бұрын

Nope, they will get back in the position of being behind the rest of the world...

@brinjoness3386

Жыл бұрын

They won't be able to afford to buy boeing or Airbus. All the leasing companies that buy from them would insist on being reimbursed for the planes russia didn't return, before the American or European courts would approve the sales. Oh well

@bd5av8r1

Жыл бұрын

The majority of these aircraft were from leasing companies.

@JRattheranch

Жыл бұрын

And of course the opposite it true! Will will ever buy anything from Russia for decade's and will these aircraft ever be certified by the west!

@redmondial

Жыл бұрын

@@JRattheranch Your right … what a mess … thousands of years and we’re still fighting 🙈

Without an international certification those planes are pretty much banned from most air space on Earth.

@etiennec8139

Жыл бұрын

So nothing really new from the past 6 months.

@ehsan83

Жыл бұрын

if an aircraft is airworthy it should be certified regardless of any political situation. Now if by international you mean US and European countries (which is not the case there is so many other countries on this planet) then yes, it's operations will be limited to certain destinations. at the same time I'm sure Russia will find something to bother the west with. The truth is there is no winner here. Everybody is losing

@patrickshaw8595

Жыл бұрын

Russia's a biiiiig place. You know how English is the worldwide Language of Aviation? Never was in Russia.

@davidjames1068

Жыл бұрын

@@ehsan83 the profitable routes are to/from the West. China will act to protect it's own manufacturers from competition. there maybe other countries but are there any profitable routes? and the planes can't be certified because they will be made of fake or illegally sourced components unreliable components.

@davidjames1068

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickshaw8595 the question is how many rich paying customers exist, especially after sanctions and a war, to support an airline. and who wants to be flying in a less safe aircraft over the arctic?

So now - good airplane with bad engines ??? 🤷‍♂️

Should work ok - for a while

It’s not that complicated or difficult for Russia to manufacture or fabricate anything…

The best is to drop 100 megatonns on Washington.

Good looking aircraft this.

Russia's own 737 Max

Also, the Sukhoi RRJ Superjet has French engine cores. There will be no more spares or support for those, and the Superjet will be confined to Russian domestic flights.

@kabzaify

Жыл бұрын

The PD8 is the replacement. The Russian are not new to building civilian aircraft.

@ihmcallister

Жыл бұрын

@@kabzaify I'm sure domestic flights will continue, gradually stripping some of the stolen planes until they are all used up, and that Russian-built aircraft will (slowly) start to appear. The problem is, even when this Ukraine invasion ends, as it will, no company in the west will do business with Russian airlines until all the stolen leased aircraft. which are outside servicing times and therefore only fit for scrap, are actually paid for. When it comes to aviation, Russia has shot itself in the foot. Sanctions may end eventually, but the airline business there is doomed.

@charlesharper2357

Жыл бұрын

Better to have them crash there.

@kabzaify

Жыл бұрын

@@ihmcallister The Russian aviation is mainly internal, with only about 7 percent external travel. And those countries like, Turkey, Egypt will remain open to Russia.

@MegaEdward39

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesharper2357 oh u mean like the Boeing max?? Maybe the us should keep that garbage in the US as well..

This a Russian A220?

@lmlmd2714

Жыл бұрын

Nope. It's an analogue to the A320 / 737MAX. The Sukhoi Superjet is more like the A220. The currently out-of-production Tu-204 is closer to the 757 or A321. The currently out of production IL-96 is like the A340-500 / 600. There's also the IL-114 which is a turboprop but is a low wing design more like the BAe ATP than the current ATR or Q400 designs. It has an interesting engine design that's quite clever but never seems to have caught on in the wider Russian aviation industry as it came out right as the Soviet union was breaking up.

Russia will suffer timing and huge costs by re sourcing new aircraft assembly parts and using PD 14 power plants. I'm sure that these too will contain a few western procured parts. This plane can only be type approved in Russia so its not going to be cost effective .

@alinaqirizvi1441

Жыл бұрын

Not true, I'm sure countries like Iran and China will approve it

@RustedCroaker

Жыл бұрын

It's a very effective if you can't get anything better for any cost. Plus a cost of a fuel isn't a problem in Russia like at all.

@command_unit7792

Жыл бұрын

Other sanctioned Countries will be able to buy the plane without an issue so it has a decent market already established.

@kabzaify

Жыл бұрын

Mate the rest of the world will buy it. This is not 2001 any more. The world has changed.

@genalivshits5054

Жыл бұрын

All the world sunctioned by the west 😉 no problem to sell the plane.

Still won't be certified to fly anywhere but in Russia

@jurekprzychodzen6454

Жыл бұрын

… and China, which is a huge market!

@jeffhosking802

Жыл бұрын

@@jurekprzychodzen6454 China is not accepting uncertified Russian planes into its airspace

@jurekprzychodzen6454

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffhosking802 That’s why Russians are working on certification of their planes. Aren’t they?

@jeffhosking802

Жыл бұрын

@@jurekprzychodzen6454 From what I've read, up to 30% of the plane will still be made from western supplied parts. Without these and the tracking system, the planes will never get the certification.

@jurekprzychodzen6454

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffhosking802 Are you saying that airplanes built with Western parts can’t get certified? Then, how do Boeing and Airbus airliners get certified?

Russia's problem is not a lack of technical capability (as clearly the space race shows), but the lack of a sizeable market "resource" to provide economies scale for manufacturing cost competitive engines. But China does have that "resource"

@VisibilityFoggy

Жыл бұрын

The issue now is brain drain. Absolutely nobody with highly-marketable skills is staying in Russia.

@kahhowong3417

Жыл бұрын

@@VisibilityFoggy Really don't know what to do with narcissist conversations no matter how beguiling, except file "this latest" in my sin bin for suspect Turkey crossing the road trolling Votes for Christmas.

@rutgerb

Жыл бұрын

@@kahhowong3417 my head hurts.

@kahhowong3417

Жыл бұрын

@@rutgerb Does happen with Narcissist Conversationalist. Get well soon, my friend

@ericgeorge7874

Жыл бұрын

@@VisibilityFoggy Very shallow comment.

The sanctions applied against Russia taught them not to rely heavily on Western and foreign technology and parts, instead they made what they needed, they up graded their manufacturing industry, research and development, science technology etc, to compare and even better so Western products, make your own stuff then sanctions against you are pointless

Bet it won't enter service for a decade, if at all. Post Soviet aviation design is famous for extreme delays and projects being cancelled. The Russian aviation design knowhow is still there and they are able to design good airplanes. But the corrupt inefficient Russian Federation can't build them. The MC-21 was looking good albeit delayed. Doubt anything will come of it now.

@shi01

Жыл бұрын

Well, a couple days ago a news report said Russia is willing to pump 14.5 billion Dollars into this to get it certified with russian engines. Which is absolutly ridiculous, Airbus and Boeing could design and build an entire new airframe for that amount of money. The development of the Concorde was cheaper than this.

@B52Stratofortress1

Жыл бұрын

@@shi01 A lot of that money probably won't even make it to where it's supposed to end up because of corruption

@shi01

Жыл бұрын

@@B52Stratofortress1 Yes, that's true.

@a.l.g4017

Жыл бұрын

The "corrupt" and "inefficient" russian state is another myth pushed by big media on an incredible budjet. Look for example how well Putin's government has coped with Covid. Only one lockdown for just 2 months, giant clinics built from zero in matter of weeks (!!), a fast and evident economy rebounce. Post-soviet aviation makers of our country were constantly suppressed by foreign competitors and their powerful lobby saying for years "why you need making airplanes? just sell the oil and buy fancy boeings!" Here is the real reason why Tu-204 and Il-96 have suffered so many problems: administrative treason in favor of foreign companies, actually. Now the new era is here. Im 100% sure MC-21 will start mass production in 2024 as announced.

@hepbhblehot8237

Жыл бұрын

@@shi01 Wow, really? But no, I specifically checked - the cost of the entire MS-21 project is $4.5 billion. This includes the cost of airframe development, engines and the construction of factories for their production. For example, the A350 airframe project alone costs $11 billion. There is nothing more to compare with, since nothing new has been created in the West for more than 30 years. So do not lie, this data is easily verified.

Thanks, nothing new, they can figure out what to do.

::sounds of multiple alarm bells going off:: BULLYAT! ::sounds of swearing in Russian:: BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BULYAT! BLEEP BLLEPP" -crunch-

i see.

MC21 production is 100% local

@hg6996

2 ай бұрын

It's just not happening

The 1980's called - weekly aeroflot crashies woop woop

Great

There is more to those planes than just engines. There is also avionics, and I can't wait for russian transistor-based avionics to replace Honeywell or whoever is making it.

@alexanderbelov6892

Жыл бұрын

Russia produces chip-based avionics for military aircrafts like Su-30, Su-35. MS-21 also gets contemporary avionics.

@volodymyrdrobot9454

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderbelov6892 As if the war in Ukraine did not make it obvious how "contemporary" russian avionics are.. The infamous "Orlan" with a camera from Canon and some Chinese-made electronics.

@alexanderbelov6892

Жыл бұрын

@@volodymyrdrobot9454 MS-21 will use cameras from Canon and Chinese-made electronics and wheels from Lada-2107.

@volodymyrdrobot9454

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderbelov6892 I suspect that is pretty much what it will be using. Because russia is not capable of producing. It is capable only of destroying.

@lmlmd2714

Жыл бұрын

I believe the MS-21 was designed with option for Russian or western avionics from the get-go, so that shouldn't be a problem. It's more things that weren't designed to be buyer-optionable that are the problem. I believe much of the undercarriage was western specced with no option intended to select an alternative, and I believe (but don't quote me on this) that it's the same story with the APU. There's various other parts too - all in all replacing these non-optionable parts is going to be a major headache and I personally don't think this is the best way forward for Russia at this point. They'd be better off reviving the TU-204SM, using the PD-14 as a new engine option. The TU-204 was pretty much entirely domestic components from the start.

After copying the tech, every time.

Спасибо за санкции. Они усиливают нашу страну!

More better guys

2:15 .." minus any export market"...I doubt if that will remain so for very long. If everything goes as planned, i am sure many customers will be lining up to retro-fit these engines into their aircrafts. China, will likely be Irkut's first customer, followed by friendly nations such as Belarus, Iran, Veneula, Cuba, Serbia..e.t.c. Never say never..

@TwatMcGee

Жыл бұрын

Its unlikely europe would certify them to fly in their airspace, same for most of the americas. Unless they sell these things below dirt cheap I doubt anyone will buy.

@scpatl4now

Жыл бұрын

China steals newer tech. Not the old Russian stolen tech.

@davidjames1068

Жыл бұрын

China will demand Chinese made engines on it's aircraft. And seriously how many planes ( that can't fly to many other countries ) can those other countries actually afford to buy?

@nntflow7058

Жыл бұрын

Why would the Chinese buys Russian products when they got their own Domestic Made aircraft?

@kabzaify

Жыл бұрын

@@nntflow7058 Same reason they buy European, when they have their own.

Let's see how the certification goes

@CH-pv2rz

Жыл бұрын

Certified for what? Will never be certified dor any airspace outside russia

@RustedCroaker

Жыл бұрын

Russian certificates are stricter then those of FAA, hope Irkut make it.

Duh, pretty obvious, ain't it?

So these turbines can drive the compressors on the Nord Stream pipeline?

@RustedCroaker

Жыл бұрын

Why should they? Didn't Europeans hate Russian cheap gas and want to swap it for something a way more costly?

@TheMrGREENRay

Жыл бұрын

there are already heavy-power (fully russian) turbines on ns2 but they are not !sertified for ns1 So, the game with sanctioned garbage turbines for ns1 will continue.

@lmlmd2714

Жыл бұрын

Not the PD-14, but the PS-90A (a late Soviet era high-pass turbofan, used in the IL-96, TU-204 and new versions of the IL-76) actually does have a static plant version of the engine for power and pumping applications.

@TheMrGREENRay

Жыл бұрын

@@lmlmd2714 "ГПА-32 Ладога"

@edwardgiovannelli5191

Жыл бұрын

@@RustedCroaker Sometimes principles are more important than a few dollars. The US and Europe can afford to choose who they buy their oil from. Can russia continue to sell oil to China at 30% discounts as the price per barrel drops and their cost to deliver skyrockets? Who will develop new oil rigs and do all the drilling? Russia is not capable of doing this domestically, and when they nationalize foreign investments left and right, putin is ensuring no western companies will be back.

Those sanctions are absolutely nuts

@goobfilmcast4239

Жыл бұрын

...yes nuts in the fact that there are still too many loopholes Russia is taking advantage of.....Slava Ukraini

@aviationengine6701

Жыл бұрын

​@@goobfilmcast4239 No, in fact, the Russian people want the war as little as you, and still, the ones who suffer the most from the sanctions are them!.

@TheMrGREENRay

Жыл бұрын

game in two directions. some gossips about boeing and co bribed ru politicians in 90s, to kill ru jet engine\civil avia industry's development for 1 decade (rival)

@aviationengine6701

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMrGREENRay Thats crazy if its real! I will look that up sounds interesting.

The PD-14 engine is heavier and offers less performance than P&W. View Asianometry's video for info.

@Max_Da_G

Жыл бұрын

It's what's available. Also it's good enough for the job.

This is good for the Russian economy

🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻 They ´ll win

Hope we don’t see disaster’s like we did with the TU-144

@ispeaku759

Жыл бұрын

How about disasters with boeing max?

@Then.72

Жыл бұрын

@@ispeaku759 that wasn’t a copy

@eotlati1763

Жыл бұрын

​@@ispeaku759 exactly, boeing is losing customers fast to airbus due to poor quality.

@user-kw4jw4jd2o

Жыл бұрын

НАДЕЮСЬ МЫ НЕ УВИДЕМ КАТАСТРОФ, КАК С Б-747, Б-777, Б-767, Б-737... ЕСТЬ ЛУЧШЕ ПРИМЕР: ИЛ-96 - НИ ОДНОЙ КАТАСТРОФЫ!!!

I sense very negative connotation in you report. But that's ok. You are who u are.

Sad but inevitable. Following in the Sukhoi Superjet's tracks? And now to re-design the aircraft for the new engine after all the development costs associated with the 1400G.

@alexanderbelov6892

Жыл бұрын

PD-14 is equivalent to PW1400G in everything except mounting and some electronics sw update. MS-21 with PD-14 already did 100+ test flights. So engine integration test flights program will finish soon.

@lmlmd2714

Жыл бұрын

It was designed to take either engine from the get go, this is just one individual testbed aircraft being swapped over to the other engines. The real problem is the myriad of small components all over the plane that are western sourced and were never designed to take an alternative part. They'll be everywhere in the design. The big systems like engines and avionics were always designed to be user-optionable to either western or russian, but not so with small things like an actuator here or hydraulic component there.

Prepares to hit the skies ? Hopefully the plane won't hit the ground

@apprentice_pleb

Жыл бұрын

hopefully it will

This plane will have market in Russia and in some banana republics just like the old Soviet planes.

@zvakanaka2000

Жыл бұрын

Banana republics - and kingdoms - like EU/NATO you mean ?

@CH-pv2rz

Жыл бұрын

No brainiac… when the USSR exported aircraft such as these to third world countries they sent then out at an extremely discounted price which russians cant afford to do. Also they will never be certified for international airspace and this will never be exonomical to operate

@cdl0

Жыл бұрын

Bananas don't grow in Russia. :-)

@zvakanaka2000

Жыл бұрын

@@cdl0 Yes, they do and taste good ! In Crimea.

@alexanderbelov6892

Жыл бұрын

Banana republics also have money. No difference who pays for Russian made aircrafts.

russia didn't need certificate ,. all of you were wrong ,. russia is the best for rocket production , learn more about all the russian product ,. even titanium and so on , which. raw material for build any plane

Good luck flying anywhere outside of Russia

@ebiekem

Жыл бұрын

You assume Western Europe and Northern America represent the rest of the world. You're wrong.

@airaction6423

10 ай бұрын

There is indopacific, china, south and central america, africa, middle east. North america, europe, australia and japan are not the whole world

Can we say, reverse engineering?

@chichomancho1791

Жыл бұрын

yes, engine is Chinese.

@alexanderbelov6892

Жыл бұрын

@@chichomancho1791 China built Xi'an Y-20 cargo aircraft as a copy of USSR IL-76. It also uses soviet Solovyev D-30KP2 engines. While Shenyang WS-20 engine for it is still in development. Russia already uses new mod of PS-90A engine for IL-76 since 2014.

Russia have NO choice but to go it on it's own. No ??

@johniii8147

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with that

@etiennec8139

Жыл бұрын

They could use Chinese engines probably, but even comac is using the LEAP engines

@trendyromish4789

Жыл бұрын

@@etiennec8139 Chinese Are Also Testing Thier Own Engines.

@johniii8147

Жыл бұрын

@@etiennec8139 Their engines are years behind schedule and yet to fly on any aircraft. The Chinese too are dependent on western engines.

@RustedCroaker

Жыл бұрын

@@johniii8147 Are you sure you know what you're talking about? PD-14 is a very modern engine and they are already flying on MC-21 310 for years.

Russian Engineering is coming back.

One wonders to where the Russians intend to fly these uninsured aircraft...

@user-ks3eo6fx2g

Жыл бұрын

У на страна огромная, плюс много стран где можно летать

@lmlmd2714

Жыл бұрын

It's to maintain domestic connectivity, and links to friendly states - but domestic is def the priority. Russia is huge and on top of that a lot of regions seriously remote and can't be reached any other way than air. This is why I'm suprised they're playing around with the MS-21 rather than getting the TU-204SM back into production, as it's an all-indigineous design. Not as modern, but Russia isn't in a position to pick and choose - they really need something right now.

@martijnstam6186

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ks3eo6fx2g Not without certification. So just like Russian tanks it's like a flying coffin.

@edwardgiovannelli5191

Жыл бұрын

They are not uninsured, the russian government is issuing insurance on their fleets... and the world knows how reliable Moscow is at paying what they owe... just ask the families of soldiers killed in Ukraine!

@martijnstam6186

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardgiovannelli5191 When you are lucky enough to survive you receive a bag of potatoes!

I've once flown in a Russian-made Yakovlev Yak-42 during a domestic flight in Cuba. That was the first AND last time I got in a Russian-made plane.

@kahhowong3417

Жыл бұрын

I once flew in Franco Anglo made Concorde between London and Bahrain. That was the first AND last time I flew in a Concorde.

@legend9805

Жыл бұрын

Thank god you arrive safely. How about those perish in 737 max new plane lol. Dont think only you western have the ability to do things.. stop your ignorant and arrogance foolish people

@dekik.979

Жыл бұрын

@@kahhowong3417 😂😂😂😂 Wong, you da man 😂

@kahhowong3417

Жыл бұрын

@@dekik.979 Thank you my friend. Keep well.

@georgewilder7423

Жыл бұрын

What's the point of that exciting experience of yours? I walked to the local supermarket from my home, which is approx a kilometer away and that was the first and last time of doing that. Not exactly earth shattering news!! Lol

Promising aircraft MC 21. Price, fuel economy and spare parts availability with maintenane, will be dissading factor. 😀🛫

I’d prefer to travel on the Russian jet to a Boeing 737 Max!

@ACPilot

Жыл бұрын

Haha…

@jonhaskins617

Жыл бұрын

That means you've never been on a Russian aircraft, or a Max ? HAHA

@TheViettan28

Жыл бұрын

I love your comment. Sad but true

@TheMrGREENRay

Жыл бұрын

there were some deadly accidents with maxes, also they are banned in russia, by russia and by usa.

@jonhaskins617

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMrGREENRay Who cares about Russia. They flew aircraft across their sky's, banned all over the world. aeroflot has a terrible history. And only 2 Boeing Max's crashed.

Good for Russia

Yakolev plant

The sanction is producing a much stronger Russia and China. This is important for longterm competitiveness strength for these countries. The ultimate winners are the people of the world.

@rinse-esnir4010

Жыл бұрын

True, but not the people from Russia.

@johnny_eth

Жыл бұрын

"The sanction is producing a much stronger Russia and China. " lol, russia is being obliterated economically. Having a couple vanity projects is not becoming "stronger".

Economic loss all around

The test pilots are not wearing russian made headsets...treason! :p

To Russia gain. Slow and steady!