As a UK Lawyer and fellow Catholic I must respectfully correct errors in this stream. UK law does presume innocence (US law gets its presumption from English Common Law). Parliamentary committees do not have legislative power, only parliament as a whole (or the devolved assemblies) can do that. The letter was disgraceful and should never have been sent but it was written by a committee chairman without the consent or approval of her committee or the government. God bless you for your work to the glory of the Lord.

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

Law maker/ law keeper wrote and sent a letter without proper authority to do so, Right? Does UK government have any right to interfere with OR to “influence” any privately owned business ? Can that letter be considered ILLEGAL? Threat? Bribery? Blackmail ?

Thank you for your thoughts on this. I'm glad to see Christians taking an honest and honorable approach to these accusations. And let me add, I'm an evangelical pastor and missionary, and I really enjoy your website. I have recommended it to many friends. You have blown my mind with your love for Christ, His Church, and the lost. Many thanks! I pray for your ministry!

@Arckaro

9 ай бұрын

God bless you Sam, I'll pray for you, please pray for me!

@judiththomson8895

9 ай бұрын

God Bless You for this...

Brett Cooper did a good breakdown of this on The Comments Section. One very good point she made was that KZread demonitized him because (they stated) his off-screen behaviour 'violated creator responsibility policy' but they continue to let people like R Kelly (sentenced to 30 years on child p*rn charges) continue to make money on their platform.

@tom5083

9 ай бұрын

The eternal demonic mantra: Rules for thee but not for me

@TheCaptainSlappy

9 ай бұрын

I don't remember R Kelly being a paid Kremlin asset engaged in targeting US citizens with illegal propaganda operations like Russell Brand is. He's a well known Moscow Mule. Did you not watch his Russia Today & Alex "KGB" Jones interviews?

@saladfingers.

9 ай бұрын

Brett Cooper is fed a script.

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

JESUS spoke TO and ABOUT HYPOCRITES.

@veritas220

8 ай бұрын

@@saladfingers. -- which is irrelevant to the point made.

The presumption of innocence, along with 250 years of American jurisprudence, is gone. At best, it’s irrelevant. I realize that has nothing to do with the UK, but these are American companies doing the fascistic bidding of others.

@patricktuorto

9 ай бұрын

@@CH-qc1zt Then there should be a law both in the UK and in the US where no company or entity can deprive someone of their livelihood, terminate them from work, censure them or take any other action that would negatively impact that person who’s presumed innocent.

@zendude123

9 ай бұрын

He didn’t do himself any favours by having his appalling behaviour caught on camera. Just saying.

@tethergobrrr

9 ай бұрын

@@zendude123Yeah I saw him assault an Australian presenter on national TV circa 2012. Have believed him guilty of that and capable of worse since then. Not going to start presuming him innocent now.

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

Such IRONY, right? Russell Brand who has been doing investigative journalism about the global elite censoring (hushing or downplaying or completely hiding or knowingly deceiving) only specific facts simultaneously Highlighting & repeating opposing version of facts. Truth Seekers, Truth Tellers aka Whistleblowers getting punished and/or cancelled is an absolute mockery of Freedom of Speech and is being the norm. To witness a X hedonist get UN-addicted, become a faithful and devoted husband & father. Hmmm What I suspect is that there hasn’t been any real sin evidence for years to use as a reason to cancel him … aww, BUT his past can be used

You’re missing the whole point if you don’t bring up what he’s been saying lately about corruption in politics. They are shutting him down because he is a truth teller.

Just a fact check. There absolutely is a presumption of innocence in UK criminal law, and the standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. Source: I have a UK law degree. Now, the court of public opinion is another matter.

Culture automatically assuming a man is guilty of a sex crime is the problem. This rush to claim someone is guilty without any evidence put forth the other person having a say is really problematic. Guys who’ve been falsely accused wear this badge forever and what happens to women to falsely accuse someone? Nada, zip, zilch. They may even get a deal to write a book

@daniel18387

9 ай бұрын

​@@bethmcmullan7686This is simply untrue. He joked on air about doing so. That doesn't mean it happened. He was a comedian, after all. Secondly, women who falsely accuse never go to prison. You're confusing lying in court to making false allegations. Big difference.

@motherbhaerbear3807

9 ай бұрын

I think women who make false accusations (like you said, "not in court," should have pretty stiff punishment. The women who accused Kavanaugh, for example, should be charged with the highest crime they could be charged with. The people who have been behind race hoaxes should be, too.

Traditionally there is a presumption of innocence in UK law, however this has been eroded in recent times. Mainly due to the way background checks that employers can apply for from the police are handled. A person can be found 'not guilty' by a court, but the police can still disclose the allegation to prospective employers as the allegation 'might be true'. So not guilty is not the same as innocence in UK law because it's viewed that not being able to prove a thing happened to a high standard of proof doesn't mean it didn't happen. The individual may still in fact pose a risk to the public. If you are accused of a serious crime and found not guilty in the UK it can ruin your opportunities in life because unfortunately the mud sticks.

@MsMacDelaney

9 ай бұрын

Excellent point. It’s very nuanced.

the hit job Brand is experiencing is because he's considered as having been red-pilled; the MSM media did, does and has attempted to do same on people that question such as Tucker Carlson; Julian Assange; Jordan Peterson; Edward Snowden; etc. Independent journalist, Anya Parampil of The Greyzone encapsulated the Russell Brand situation the best: “I have no doubt that these accusations would’ve never made it to publication if he hadn’t started talking about the corporate government takeover or the agenda to restrict our freedoms”.

@newtonia-uo4889

9 ай бұрын

Yet there's alot of regular youtube watchers

@sylvi4444

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@bethmcmullan7686You sure are pushing this narrative of yours according to other posts. Where are you getting these numbers from? He’s also written many books that are highly popular and because he’s not popular in your eyes, doesn’t make it so nor does it justify the attack.

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

​@@bethmcmullan7686 whether or not you've been aware of his goings on is kind of irrelevant. What matters is that he's making waves by politically and socially influencing millions of people as evidenced by the money and viewership numbers he pulls in and the millions of people he's still reaching and interacting with on social media. What's going on fits the pattern of past political hit jobs almost exactly. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he did any of these things back in the day, but the evidence being presented has already been proven to be manipulated and dishonestly presented.

@carrenpalmer3453

9 ай бұрын

@@bethmcmullan7686small circle online huh, the Jimmy Dore Show (just for one) would counter-argue that

I am praying for Russel and his family. I hope that he gets out of this and start considering becoming a faithful Christian.

@m.r.6222

9 ай бұрын

What? He also hasn't been proven innocent. His whole career was built on his "sex addiction comedy" holy cow. If he IS guilty he needs to be held accountable. Its awesome he hss changed, but just because he has changed does mean he can escape the consequences.

@Seliz463

9 ай бұрын

@@m.r.6222there is such a thing as a statute of limitations, and he doesn’t deserve to have his livelihood taken away before he has actually been convicted of anything

@annatmarshall5133

9 ай бұрын

​​@m.r.6222 No one is saying that he shouldn't face the consequences of his actions IF he is guilty. What people are concerned about is the fact that the media have all but deemed him guilty before he's had a fair trial and then acted on their presumption of his guilt, to have him demonetiased on YT and other platforms. That is unjust. There are always 3 sides to every story. Your side, my side, and the actual facts of the matter.

@heroicacts5218

9 ай бұрын

@@m.r.6222, and if he is proven guilty, I am still praying that he becomes a Christian.

@stephanielane1821

9 ай бұрын

​@@m.r.6222I ask why now ? 10 year's later, just as what he saying is making sense. Regardless of his past, we all will be accountable, and should be. How many are being shut down because they don't want to buy into the madness, they will force people to succumb, that's scary. I hope Russell Brand is innocent, even if his previous life wasn't perfect, as all of us are ourselves not perfect. We can pray for him 🙏

Channel 4 here in Britain broadcast extreme debauchery in reality documentarys. Most people consider the channel to be filthy. They are extreme woke as well. Brand has c.a issues from his childhood which he published in a book some years ago. He also has a diagnosis of bi polar and ADHD and he had addictions. Anyway, in Brands TV days he was vulgar and openly talked about his promiscuity. I would say that the allegations are consistant with his behaviour back then. However, Channel 4 and the BBC egged on that side of his character, in fact they couldn't get enough of it, along with similar characters like Brand, for example Frankie Boyle. I don't watch channel 4 but i know that they pass of the degraded material they show as consensual. I truly feel that Channels aim is destroy relationships between men and women. They are outright hypocrites. But sadly, this story is never going to be about the content and culture of Channel 4.

Well done to Rumble

It's so sad what the world has come to.

@nosuchthing8

9 ай бұрын

Yes. This video is flat out lying. The burden of proof is sometimes known as the 'onus'. In the criminal justice system in the UK, the burden of proof lies with the government. It is the obligation of the prosecutor, not the defendant to prove the case of the crime charged. The burden of proof falls on the prosecution.Aug 11, 2022

@sercastamere9853

9 ай бұрын

It's a new type of sad. May horrific times have existed throughout history.

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

Sad + Scary

Why would anybody be surprised at these accusations since he had admitted to his porn addiction and his past? This goes back to 2008. My respect for Brand, and why I follow him, has been because he has changed his life. I really take no issue with him saying he can’t help believe this is political. I think he is right. If you dig deep enough surely you would find something, someone who after all this time is more than willing to speak out. As a female I am kind of done with this whole “me too” witch hunt.

@Whereempathsgather

9 ай бұрын

Seems strange these women could have come out when it happened, now they are coming out of the wood work. These women want money. I say give it to them. To many people saw his bad behavior. I like him but he's not a god, however, he is forgiven because he confessed and HOPEFULLY not continuing to sin. They destroyed Teal because she was opening people's minds.🤷 He knew exactly what he was doing when he spoke about controversial issues. We need his voice! ☮️

@sambucca1817

9 ай бұрын

@@Whereempathsgather This was a 4 year investigation. Channel 4 is more of a Left Wing TV Channel. The Times and Sunday Times are not Left Wing. There are many reasons why people don't come out after a sexual assault. Also, Women went to the BBC and Channel 4 bosses, when his behaviour was despicable, but the bosses didn't do anything. We all saw on TV/Radio what Brand was like.

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

​​​​@@bethmcmullan7686highly unlikely when it's been a decade or two? The guy makes a bunch of money for these companies with his uncouth behavior and nobody cares or says anything until years after he turns his life around, has a family and starts publicly and popularly criticizing Big Pharma and the military industrial complex? (Calling him popular is 100% accurate considering he still has millions of social media followers and just about as many being reached by his online social and political commentary career.) Not to mention those giving the allegations outright said it was because they were concerned about his rise in popularity as a dissident commentator. They're not exactly being subtle about it. Seems more than a bit sus to me, especially when the evidence they've brought forward is highly questionable and have been proven to be manipulated (look up videos discussing the manipulation of text messages and the media's dishonest framing about what they're discussing therein). Would I be surprised if he did anything like this back in the day? No, not really, but the circumstances and timing surrounding all of this does not pass the smell test upon closer inspection, not even close. The fact that the UK government itself is directly going to online platforms to demonetize and deplatform him prior to any establishment of guilt almost automatically outs this as politically motivated as far as I'm concerned. Thankfully there are companies like Rumble with the good sense and decency to publicly tell them to pound sand on principle.

@Whereempathsgather

9 ай бұрын

@@bethmcmullan7686 in the USA innocent till proven guilty. Honestly, I don't care he made his bed let him lay in it.🤷 Throw money at it like everyone else does.

@Slaw6602

9 ай бұрын

Almost every man watch porn. But they are not automatically rapists

In the UK there is a presumption of innocence and we do not have to prove that we 'did not do it', the prosecution have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed with evidence. The US justice systems foundations are based on the English system that was born from the Magna Carta in 1215. Almost all the western world have foundations in this document. Article 6 of the Human Rights Act 1988 provides citizens in our country the right to a fair and public trial or hearing in relation to both criminal and civil matters. Section 2 of Article 6 states , “Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law”

OMG Thursday, there is no presumption of guilt in the UK justice system. Please please please be more informed.

@iohannesfactotum

9 ай бұрын

In the UK press, on the other hand...

@Jessica-bp6lc

9 ай бұрын

Which is good to know…however that’s way more troubling that they are asking for someone’s monetary stream to be cut off when the person hasn’t even been summoned to court, let alone a convicted criminal.

@DelioJez

9 ай бұрын

@@Jessica-bp6lc agreed

@AJKPenguin

9 ай бұрын

British Common Law, was an inspiration for ours. The problem is both nations haven't kept their tradition.

@rishg134

9 ай бұрын

Why pearl clutch about this, when we see clearly he is presumed guilty in the eyes of power in the UK and US?

Balanced perspective. It’s true too to say it’s not out of the realm of possibility. This is where the hook up culture is so dangerous. Both parties can have polar opposite expectations and not know that when they’re giving consent. Then people feel used and taken advantage of… it’s heartbreaking on so many levels.

@Jessica-bp6lc

9 ай бұрын

Agreed…if only there was a way that we could get people to sign consent before a judge saying that they agree to a sexual relationship between the two of them….

@newtonia-uo4889

9 ай бұрын

Sign consent before a judge? No, better if it was a vow made publically and witnessed by a PRIEST rather than a judge

There is a presumption of innocence in the British courts. There is also a division between the judiciary and the government; it’s just not defined in the way that the Americans do so. Actually, it is better in the UK because if anyone casts aspersions on a defendant outside of the court then it is considered to be sub judice and he / she can be sent to prison.

Weird how he’s accused and completely silenced as soon as he calls out the people in charge of wrong-think. Also weird that the accusers skipped “me too” when speaking out was completely in vogue. Not suspect at all.

You are mistaken. I am from the UK. According to our own constitution, people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The government has no power to judge someone.

We definitely have the legal presumption of innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. This can be flipped at times (e.g defendant who killed someone needs to adduce some evidence of self defence). There are also situational liability offences where mens rea is largely irrelevant. However, I am not aware of a single crime in the UK where there is actually a presumption of guilt following an accusation. Please inform yourselves before making stupid statements. The courts are separate from Parliament in the UK. The Supreme Court in the UK has undermined the Government on multiple occasions (see R (on the application of Miller) (Appellant) v The Prime Minister (Respondent) Cherry and others (Respondents) v Advocate General for Scotland (Appellant) (Scotland) where the Supreme Court undermined the Governments position in Brexit negotiations). I would say that our court system has, in some respects, greater separation from politics. Unlike your Supreme Court appointments, ours are not political appointments (i.e nominated by the a president and confirmed by the Senate), instead, they are appointed by a committee that is not answerable to the Government. If you knew anything about America’s common law inheritance or the origin of its jurisprudence, you would know that it heavily borrows from the UK system. We invented (at least in its modern form) innocent until proven guilty, ever heard of Blackstone’s ratio? The letter to Rumble is still egregious. However, the lack of any attempt to inform yourselves here is jaw dropping.

@A-gor

9 ай бұрын

One pissed off lawyer 😂 He should've done better, actually.

@xravenx24fe

9 ай бұрын

You're kind of missing the point here.

@GerrardsRightBoot

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention that select committees don't have legislative powers.

@alexj9950

9 ай бұрын

@@GerrardsRightBootYes, I should have made that point as well. Ministers can make regulation (still technically subject to parliamentary scrutiny under the “negative consent” procedure). To clarify, I am not trying to say that what the Gov did was ok. Just very disappointed in the fact checking being done.

@GerrardsRightBoot

9 ай бұрын

@@alexj9950 yeah I didn’t mean to attack you, I was reinforcing your point about the shocking fact-checking in this video. To further support your argument, select committees are independent from government and comprised of MPs from various parties as they are meant to scrutinise government and relevant non-governmental parties from their sector/ area. This means that as Dame Caroline Dinenage was doing this from her role as the chair of the Department for Culture, Media, and Sports select committee it wasn’t even the UK government doing it, it was literally one (albeit one relatively powerful) MP acting completely out of line. These distinctions are crucial in understanding how a parliamentary democracy functions and avoiding reactionary responses to problems.

On the one hand, I've observed that many celebrities (not all) are allowed to be as awful as possible, without being put on blast in the media . . . until they speak against the popular narrative, especially if they make as much noise as he has. On the other hand, I don't know how many times my husband has had people wave at him in public and he has no idea who most of them are. They're various people he knew from over a decade of drug and alcohol, but he truly has no idea who they are now. Part of that's probably his brain still needing to heal, but Russell was it it for longer than that. No telling what the poor man may not be able to remember. 🤷

They’re doing the same thing to Tim Ballard from Sound of Freedom. These accusers are one trick ponies.

@retro-orthodox

9 ай бұрын

Ballard’s own organization is the one who cut ties with him over what they found when investigating. They’re hardly the “woke mob” - these are literally his buddies who’ve been working with him to help trafficking victims.

@sylvi4444

9 ай бұрын

@@bethmcmullan7686But yet here you are again siding with the attackers.

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

​@@bethmcmullan7686if the evidence brought forward is clearly manipulated or dishonestly framed, or if no evidence is brought forward at all, yeah, I'm assuming someone's lying. This happens way, way too often in politics to not notice an obvious pattern.

@saintejeannedarc9460

9 ай бұрын

I don't know about Brand, but it sure looks like this is just a political play attack. I hadn't heard of Tim Ballard being accused, but someone who put his life and career on the line to save women and children from sex trafficking is not a rapist. It's preposterous. There's some nasty people in this world that will stop at nothing to control people.

@retro-orthodox

9 ай бұрын

@@saintejeannedarc9460 This is just nonsense reasoning. I’ve known people who put their life on the line in law enforcement in a violent city, only for it to come out that they were also using that position of power to rape people on occasion that they were pulling over. The Bible is full of examples of people who did good things and evil things. There’s been preachers like Ravi Zacharias who spent their whole lives evangelizing and calling people to repentance (sometimes at his own peril), yet he was abusing women across the globe per his own children’s’ investigation. Only someone whose either very sheltered (they’ve never interacted with average people) or very young would not be aware of the ability of evil people to do good things (or vice versa). Again - his own organization that helped with the production and distribution of the movie has now found enough evidence to severe ties. So I’m sorry you can’t blame the woke mob boogeyman for everything, but like it or not people are capable of good and evil at the same time.

I don’t know what happened in Russell Brand’s case. In a separate opinion, the situation about having consequences to sin and vice in our life from the past makes me understand the need for contrition and penance in this life or purgatory after death. Thank you God for the forgiveness of sin which Jesus offers us through his passion, death and resurrection.

Thank you for having an honest conversation about what this news means for everyone going forward. This is crazy.

Hello from England. The law here DOES presume innocence until proven guilty. That is why the letter from the cabinet is so egregious. It has judged, sentenced and punished him before any legal procedure has even begun and this is completely against our justice system. Trial by media has circumvented proper procedure. Whether he is eventually found guilty in law or not, this should never have happened.

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

Any consequences for the letter writer ?

@margaret8469

8 ай бұрын

@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc not so far

The state had no problem with his drug use and womanizing until he got sober and started asking real questions.

Why the heck is the UK government getting involved? Although it did make me sign up for Rumble. Also, with great respect, there seems to be a trend of sexual abuse testimonies arising when it comes to tearing down a man. Some men deserve it. And some women are so traumatized they can’t speak about it for years. But the number of women who are mentioning these experiences after such a long period of time, in conjunction with tearing a male (usually a celebrity) down. There’s something not making sense about all of this. And I say this as a woman who was sexually abused. Maybe he did do it, but in this country he’s innocent until proven guilty. KZread belongs to Google, which is based here. My real concern is that nobody is safe. Anyone with a public platform is at risk.

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

Freedom of Speech is more of a theory less than a reality.

That's so true...all it takes is the accusation...and if you have an opinion about important things, and a platform to share them, you just have to trust God for the results. You guys, keep it up!

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

“Trust God” + expect the enemy to do what the enemy does. The Enemy aka satan, devil, serpent, adversary, The Accuser

Are you saying that if Russell Brand gets convicted, youtube should not thereafter allow him to earn an income on youtube? If so, should no-one else allow him to earn an income ever again? Does this apply only to him or should no convicted criminal ever be allowed to earn an income again?

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. This sort of standard is absurd and inhumane. Meanwhile you have other celebrities like Cardie B who outright admit that she used to drug and steal from dudes she was hooking up with and absolutely nothing is said or done. This current cultural standard that's formed through social media is incredibly vulnerable to exploitation and targeted persecution, and it's happened far, far too many times for the informed and engaged individual not to notice a pattern.

He had a slutty past and has tried to better himself. Settled and married and clean and sober for more than a decade. His KZread channel is excellent. This is clearly an attempt to shut it down.

Guys, great job on the visual and auditorial improvements with the pod. Your professionalism is leveling up!

The very strange case of Johnny Depp, lets face it the trial that put the immediate evidence, and also asked the very appropriate question....'are you guilty until proven innocent'? Can you actually afford to prove innocence? Does anybody care, or is it just the way it is, until it visits you? It seems to me, that if somebody perjures themselves we should hold them to account....but it never happens. They walk.... That's a problem.

@gregc.8040

9 ай бұрын

Depp had to eat all that crap and wait years to have his day. This time the nice guy did not finish last. Right MS. Heard

@gregc.8040

9 ай бұрын

I just noticed your name it reminded me of the popcorn planet channel that covered the Depp trial. I like weird coincidences. I agree with you by the way.

@BarbaraMarieLouise

9 ай бұрын

I‘m so happy to live in Austria! Here you have to prove the guilt. The principle is called „in dubio pro reo“ (in doubt for the accused).

@babs420th9

9 ай бұрын

Are you catholic? It might interest you to know that Johnny Depp has delved into satanism along with his buddy Marilyn Manson. And yet, everyone believes his lies on the stand in the sham-trial. He groomed Amber, he dragged her into his chaotic world and then beat her to near death when she demanded he stop the drugs and drink. And yet, you believe his lies, simply because he's a man. Awful.

@sylvi4444

9 ай бұрын

@@BarbaraMarieLouiseI miss my homeland, wish I could go back 😢

These women had the best part of 2 decades to come forward with the allegations. All the relationships were consensual (according to him) so innocent till proven guilty. The man was a drug and sex addict with a ,debauched past which he has never been shy about.

@BarbaraMarieLouise

9 ай бұрын

Well, to be honest: It’s totally understandable that women need 2 decades to speak about it. There is so much shame you have to process that this is not something that astonished me. Most crimes of this sort happen in relationships and it can very easily happen that one partner doesn’t want to have sex at a moment and the other one does. And afterwards you are shocked and need time to process what just happened. That’s nothing that astonishes me. Nevertheless it is clear that it has to be proven and that is not so easy after 2 decades. So: As long as you don’t know it’s better to wait what comes out.

@sylvi4444

9 ай бұрын

They knew what he was like, could have stayed away from him but obviously enjoyed themselves. He didn’t kidnap them. In my eyes, this is political and the timing was perfect to strike.

@saintejeannedarc9460

9 ай бұрын

@@sylvi4444 It sounds like it to me too. The definition of rape has changed a lot in some areas. I don't know what they are claiming he did, but women can regret now and call it rape. They can be drunk, and so is the man, but the woman can claim it wasn't consentual, but then it wasn't for the man either.

@killpop8255

9 ай бұрын

@@sylvi4444 they knew he was a rapist? same stuff was said about M Manson.

@killpop8255

9 ай бұрын

You post that as if he was a rapist, he'd have said it by now.

Literally all KZread Creators in their own KZread videos: “PLEASE IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WATCH THIS LITERALLY ANYWHERE OTHER THAN KZread”

I just can't see Russell Brand raping or sexually assaulting anyone. Am not saying he didn't but I don't believe he did. The accusation just sits wrong with me. Had no idea the UK Govt tried to have him demonetised. What does his income source have to do with them? He doesn't work for them. I don't recall them approaching internet service providers to stop the cash flows of other vloggers/internet personalities accused of such heinous acts. Why such an extreme measure in Russell Brand's case when it's none of their business? Unless they feel threatened by him. Wouldn't surprise me, tbh. They're threatened by anyone so much as looking right let alone budging a smidgen towards it- Russell Brand has taken a giant leap in that direction in recent times, from what I've heard, and he has the platform and audience to whom he can air his views. No wonder the UK Govt feel threatened...

Smearing: the oldest tactic in the book

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

And their playbook is getting kinda played out tbh.

This is absolutely, ridiculously out of control. The denial i see around me, the not having time or wanting to be bothered, is inexcusable. We no longer have a polite way to try to to rouse the indifferent, let alone the tribal.

Thank you, rumble.

We can all only pray that one day we can be as holy as KZread.😂

Correct me if I'm wrong. But from what I know none of his accusers have gone to the police only the media.

@Maat-ka-Ra

9 ай бұрын

they didn't even go to the media, the media did seek them out. it's a hitjob.

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

​​​@@bethmcmullan7686true, but only after everything else. This did not originate with any aggrieved parties taking evidence of a crime to the proper authorities. I wouldn't be aurprised if he was guilty considering his past, but as the other commenter said, everything that's happened and the verified manipulation evidence fits the pattern of an obvious political smear job because he questions the right people and influences enough people online to influence looming elections.

Brand was kind of a weirdo back in the days. I don’t know what the truth is.

There IS a presumption of innocence in the Uk!

You could spend half a century with a character and reputation that is beyond reproach, and it could be destroyed in an hour. All it takes is one malevolent person to destroy someone.

Why do I love America reason #153: Even the guilty have Free Speech. If Brand is convicted, he shouldn't lose his access to Free Speech platforms.

Wait, presumption of innocence may not be as strong in the UK, but slander laws are different too, in the other direction. One who falsely accuses pays a heavy price when caught

It's not about so I think he's innocent or guilty. It's about the vital core principle in justice of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law. Anything else is kangaroo justice and deeply immoral. As a Brit I am ashamed my government has abandoned this key principle that is a foundation of democracy.

I don't know if I want to continue to live in a country where all the important moral decisions are dictated by a group of 30 year olds in Silicon Valley.

In the US what if you are convicted but you are innocent? Look at all the people we have imprisoned here that were innocent. Free speech is hard, I get that, but I think its worth it. If the only judgement that counts is in the eyes of God, then we should stay out of it.

Why…. Do women come out about sexual assaults Only when the man is in the spotlight and has Money…!

Yep. I agree with all of what you said.

I just signed up on locals. How do I get the free beer stein?

In a UK Court of lore you are preused inorcent till proven guilty. I did jury service in the summer and this was drilled in to us.

Why did they wait all these years? I know his past was tainted- no excuses there. But suddenly for all this to come to light? I have my doubts.

Not “believe all women” But “listen to all women” And all men too! We can’t have the truth until there is a proper hearing.

Why would you allow the claim that defendants in the UK are presumed guilty to go by without challenging it?

It makes no sense to wait years and years to go after someone. I don't like it.

Any individual or private company has the right to dissociate themselves from anything or anyone that they believe may damage their reputation.

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

Break a contract with someone because maybe an anonymous person made an accusation only on social media not formally with law enforcement ?

Very disturbing about the UK government.

"Totally out of the question" are scary words😳

Many priests have been accused of abuse of minors and women, and they were find innocent, but the hurt inflicted in their reputation last forever 😢

@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc

8 ай бұрын

Many accused RCC clerics were quickly removed from the “credibility accused” list by other RCC clerics. Some resigned. Some retired to avoid public exposure. Some died. Some were guilty, but declared innocent.

I'm really not one to defend the UK but we do have the presumption of innocence in the UK and we also have separation of the Judiciary and legislature, I don't know where you heard We didn't?

Thursday likes Lamy pens

I have to wonder about the coordination between political and pharmaceutical organizations in the accusations against Mr Brand. The timing of it seems convenient for those organizations.

Its all too convenient. Thats why I think its horsesh*t.

The Commonwealth has the same legal system. Yes you need to prove innocence in a lot of stuff.

There's a big difference between Brand and Kavanaugh. For one, we know Brand was a sex addict. How many times have alcoholics, porn addicts, drug addicts of any time hurt the people around them? That makes these allegation much more believable, at least to me

I disagree with oh he’s defending himself too quickly. I don’t know if he committed those crimes, but it’s clear the reason they are coming for him with such force is political, it’s because he exposes the corruption of governments.

@racheljames7

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. If he didn't defend himself immediately, people would be saying, "he must be guilty because he'd defend himself if he wasn't! His silence says it all!"

@sylvi4444

9 ай бұрын

@@bethmcmullan7686Why do you keep posting the same thing all over the place? Troll behavior!

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

So you can defend yourself "too quickly" now? That's a ridiculous standard.

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

​​@@bethmcmullan7686which is entirely irrelevant to the fact that he verifiably influences millions of people with his work. The fact the disengaged haven't been following along doesn't really change the fact that he still influences more than enough people to swing elections in both the UK and the US.

The UK criminal justice system is supposedly independent of governmental interference. In fact political activists have found becoming a High Court Judge a far more effective and better paid way of changing the law to their pleasing rather than the grind and insecurity of being an elected politician - often to the government's frustration. However the tendency for politicians to jump on bandwagons and move from Parliament to boardroom is common.

Bruh Thursday needs his own segment

I think it is a stretch to say that - legally - there is not a presumption of innocence in the UK. The presumption of innocence was described as the "golden thread" of the common law system by a prominent English judge back in 1935; it was coined in Britain in the 18th century. Though, it is fair to say that it has been severely undermined since the Tony Blair era reforms in 1997, whereby police can disclose details of a person's trials/charges - even if they were acquitted - to potential employers etc. Thus undermining the notion of innocence in any sense.

Lovin' the Safari, big guy.

Russell is telling the truth about a many number of things and the powers that be don't like it and he has a target on his back.

Hmmm I’ve been listening to ‘Pints With Aquinas’ pod from the beginning I’m really digging it. I’m still in the early eps However… How do you go from deep diving Classical Catholic theology to just another culture-worrier commentary on fleeting tabloid topics kinda bummed if this is a harbinger of what the podcast devolves into 😕

Except that Russell Brands victims put through actual reports regarding the assaults that were ignored.

Don't worry about your precautions seeming over the top Matt. Keep exercising caution and prudence. Cause there are very likely actors/agents out there that want to assassinate your reputation. God bless you and keep you

Reminder that demonitizing does not mean KZread doesn't run ads. It just means they don't share that money with the KZreadr. They're still happy to make money off of Brand.

It amounts to the public square being some dude's backyard. And if he doesn't like you, you're not invited. Is it wrong for him to disinvite you? Probably not in particular, but then where do you go? Are you cut off from society because Ted down the road doesn't like the cut of your jib?

Funny, Russel Brand had a weird take on that defamation trial when it was happening. I got the sense that he was just a narcissist himself, without any real consideration of actual human interaction or dynamics. Russel Brand is just a mouthpiece for things other people have already discovered and said, politically speaking. He's not ingenious or insightful, really. If he really is a good person, let that be known. But I've never really seen him as such.

Christians know very well how to deal with someone’s past. We have a nice story from Saul. He killed many people, even children, then he was convicted and stoned to death. All media reported it. Onley justice for criminals! RIP St. Paul🙏

Long time PWA supporter. First time really taking notice of Thrsdy, at length (sorry mate). The bloke is smart. Cheers Thrsdy!

Do you notice how all the men you mentioned are conservative?

@Jessica-bp6lc

9 ай бұрын

Bill Clinton was also accused of sexual assault…

@AJKPenguin

9 ай бұрын

Brand is no conservative. He is, at best, libertarian.

Especially after Kevin Spacey was found not guilty.

@Tyler_W

9 ай бұрын

I had absolutely no idea about this until recently and thought he was found guilty. Just goes to show how effectively smear jobs can be at deceiving people, even people like myself who generally tries to be as informed as I can be about what's going on in the world.

@chloewilson9898

9 ай бұрын

​@Tyler_W right? It's like the ruling is irrelevant now because his career is over and everyone assumed he was guilty this entire time

Many of us were and are no better than Russell ..Its a good thing for us that Jesus will put this in the past since we have repented and changed......and by extension should give Russell the benefit of the doubt that he has changed and would no longer behave that way if indeed he actually had?

If during his life when he was actively in the world of showbiz, he probably had a lot of similar minded people as willing to participate in whatever goes on in that World of debauchery. Wouldn't many of the people be also open to that way of life, and if so are not victims, but willing, and in some cases throwing themselves at celebrities. This is just an observation, not at all saying this is the case with Russell Brand, yet it's possible, and hopefully the awful alligations are not true. Pray for all who are caught up in this way of life, they may not see, as the evil is blinding them.

We have a presumption of innocence in UK courts. There are a few instances of strict liability, e.g. speeding, going through a red light. Parliamentarians can say what they like within the precincts of parliament. Journalists can presume what they like but can be sued for libel.

Habeus corpus has its origins in England. He is innocent until proven guilty. Major exception is income tax law.

If someone has been legitimately convicted of a crime, then it may be the justice systems job to assure they are not using social media in an unlawful way. Otherwise, then do we have two separate but unified justice systems ? What about less established platforms, do they have the resources government agencies have?

I really don't know a lot of details about the accusations being made against Russell Brand. I was aware of the guy but he could have walked past me on the street and I wouldn't have recognized him. But from the little bit I know, these accusations go back years. How come nobody had a problem with his behavior then? I imagine it's because he wore the left-wing team jersey. Now I guess he's been saying bad stuff about big pharma and the jab and all of a sudden people have a problem with him. I did see one interview with some young lady who said the BBC contacted her and she admitted to having consensual sex with him and told them he didn't strike her as the kind of guy they were making him out to be. That was the one and only call she received. The fact the British government is trying to lean on American platforms is beyond disturbing. This digital world we have created is becoming a dangerous neighborhood. Our money can be taken away in the blink of an eye as it is. What do you think will happen when we have a digital currency forced on us? Look what Castro's kid did up in Canada, freezing the bank accounts of housewives and grandmothers who donated $25.00 to the truckers protesting his authoritarian regime. That's mark of the beast stuff. And You Tube's hypocrisy is such they have no shame. Want to hear some disgusting vulgar content from a guy who has admitted to having a thing for young girls? Just listen to Howard Stern sometime. But he checks all the proper political boxes so he's left alone. There is no good solution, only bad options with bad outcomes. Matt's right, it's repent or bust at this stage. Keep praying and stay strong Matt. We're with ya brother.

We ALL want mercy and forgiveness for faults but r we willing to forgive others? Suddenly morals r important.

Thursday's wrong here on presumption of guilt

When Govt. asks you to do something. You were warned, there will be consequences. Yup we know how that goes.

Is not "what's done" is "who's done it"

The English/Welsh courts are independent of Parliament, but Parliament is also sovereign (has the power to make/unmake/amend any law). So Westminster can (but almost never does) convene as the High Court of Parliament and that becomes the highest court in the land. In this case, the Parliamentary Committee is likely acting via statutory authority (powers delegated from Parliament). They're not a court and they don't have control over the apparatus of the justice system. The presumption of innocence is still a key tenet of our criminal justice system. It's a shame the media are able to run amok in spite of that.

@newtonia-uo4889

9 ай бұрын

Only on paper it seems

good conversation

KZread should cancel itself. Brand, when he started on the platform, was a nut. Nothing changed with him. Likewise, nothing changed with youtube, they dont care until....there is a problem....aka the truth and non mainstream alternatives views.

Being convicted for a crime is not the same as being guilty.

I'm afraid the young guy doesn't know what's he talking about regarding the British judicial system. There absolutely is a presumption of innocence and the judiciary is totally separate from the executive and the legislature.

Liz Wheeler published some interesting tweets that sheds light on the situation.

Research before you speak! The burden of proof is on the prosecution. There is the legislative, Administrative and judicial branches of government in the UK