"Tolerance is not a christian virtue, it is the attitude of those who do not believe in anything, the virtue of the man without convictions." GK Chesterton

@Napoleonheir1805

10 ай бұрын

isnt patience tolerating evils?

@BalthasarCarduelis

10 ай бұрын

​@@Napoleonheir1805Tolerance is a Hellish virtue. Many times, quoloquially, we'll use patience and tolerance interchangeably. Mayby in a painful situation, for example. "Be patient." "Tolerate the pain." But patience comes from knowing the telos. This pain will end. We ask for patience in tribulation, when contemplating the baiulation of Our Lord, because we know that at the end is judgement and its eternal reward. Whereas tolerance, that is for no end imaginable, let alone known. The tormented souls in Hell would benefit from tolerance if they could muster it, because that torment never ends. The post-Christian states, which is to say apostatd nations, they have replaced patience with tolerance. It used to be that the patient man bore his neighbour's sin, hopeful for conversion and certain of a New Heaven and a New Earth. But now he is replaced with the tolerant man, who tolerates his neighbour's sin, with no hope for anything better. This is a Hellish virtue, tolerance. Tolerance is not the same thing as patience. Tolerance turns temples into casas de cambios.

@jerusalem4492

10 ай бұрын

No? Tolerating evils???

@greypilgrim9967

10 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏 thanks for sharing that. I really must read Chesterton

@QiryuslilBerdy

10 ай бұрын

Turning the other cheek? Love your enemies? Oh my bad you must be a conservative. Yeah that totally explains why you dont gaf about anything jesus said🙄

Clarity on this issue is so very important to hear, especially from Catholics.

There’s an entire city, in the Bible, that got destroyed that gave its name to a certain practice…

@thefacelessquestion3333

10 ай бұрын

It got nuked

@krystleconley6109

10 ай бұрын

It's called Sodomy Friends.

@Zamalandre

10 ай бұрын

Inhospitality was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. People of the same sex truly loving and caring for each other was never described as a sinful in the Bible. Contrary to lust which is described as a sin.

@krystleconley6109

10 ай бұрын

@@Zamalandre Nope Final Act that was attempted before Sodom and Gomorrah's Judgement was an Attempted Gangrape Which is a Homosexual act in itself and Considering that Every Single Man both Young and Old were Guilty of involvement it was very much Homosexual based in nature and Before You go saying it's different cause they were Angels it doesn't make that much of a difference cause that type of sexual relations and behavior is Contrary to God's Law and Design for Sexual interactions and Marriage Regardless of What a person wants to think. now I will state that Considering the fact that the Two Individuals were Angels that would make the event much worse than it would have been by itself and thus was a greater offense to God Since The Two Strangers were Angelic Messengers.

@heinmolenaar6750

10 ай бұрын

Sodom and gomorrah never really existed. All stories from the bible never really happened. All stories are myths. The bible is iron age mythology.

Such a great video!! The first polygamist being a bragging murderer and Noah's ark being full of monogamous couples are such good tidbits to know. Also, just look at procreation itself. When one male and one female have sex, *they create a new living being.* Not homosexual, not polygamous.

@SuperKripke

10 ай бұрын

This is not the reasoning in Sodom. It is considered inherently bad based on the prejudices of the time. In 2023, mistreating homosexuals or insisting that they are sinful has no place in society.

@skitsschist11

10 ай бұрын

​@@SuperKripkeHomosexuality IS SIN and always has been. It is MORTAL SIN and will send a person to ETERNAL TORMENT lest he repents. If you care about the salvation of souls, being honest about this is required, even in *the current year*.

@acts-me8xr

10 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke It is sinful regardless of the society. Moreover it's unnatural clearly because if it was natural it would cause offspring. The Bible clearly condemns it and it clearly says in 1st Corinthians chapter 6 verse 9 that no homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God. So if you're trying to be a advocate for homosexuals then the most loving thing you can do is warn them of the just punishment for living their lifestyle. And on top of that if you really did love them and you weren't worried about trying to fit in with the latest fad you would tell them from a purely secular standpoint not to do it because study after study has shown that living that lifestyle has higher incidences of suicide, drug addiction, and disease. No all you want to do is virtue signal like you're something high and mighty. God will bring down the high and mighty and you need to wise up

@SuperZebezian

10 ай бұрын

@@SuperKripke Did you serious just make a "It's the current year" argument? Come on.

@SuperKripke

10 ай бұрын

@@skitsschist11 Could you really be in heaven with a god that eternally damns a person just because they loved someone of the same sex? Would you live with a father that locked your brother in the basement because they didn't follow his rules?

❤Thank you so much for covering this topic. I look forward to reading the books and understanding how to have a healthy dialog

I love this, a whole lot. I can't wait for that episode to arrive online. Thank you for the book references.

Thanks for an additional me to Dr. John Bergsma. Awesome short.

Dr. John is EXCELLENT! More please!

Nice clip. I like how you guys edited in the books with the name and covers. And other related material like trent's debate👍👍 please continue to do that for other interviews 🙏

Sinful as it still may be, it's one thing to defend homosexuality from a secular perspective. But it's completely irrational and ridiculous to defend it from a biblical/Christian one.

@BalthasarCarduelis

10 ай бұрын

Even a secular man has the rational capacity to understand that two healthy adults shortcircuiting their limbic system for gratification together is fundamentally different from an infertile couple who due to circumstances of health or age had had their generative faculties mitigated in someway. If the infertile couple were healthy or became healthy, they would complete the limbic circuit; the shortcircuitors are already healthy and are purposely hacking the system to satisfy the appetite with no chance to ever complete the circuit.

@Zamalandre

10 ай бұрын

Having another interpretation of the Scriptures doesn’t mean being irrational.

@c2s2942

6 ай бұрын

@@Zamalandrethere’s somethings that are up for interpretation. There’s other things that are clear cut. Homosexuality is clearly defined and condemned in the old and New Testament. It’s outside of God’s design and outside of biological functionality. Sex, while used for pleasure, is designed to allow reproduction. Homosexual people are still people who we should treat with respect, but not compromise what the Bible teaches us. We also shouldn’t be as aggressive about that particular sin, while also being so lax about a multitude of others. Sin is sin. We’re all called to submit to Christ.

“Live by the sword, die by the sword” “Live for/by the flesh, die for/by the flesh”

Great answer. ❤

Bergsma is so good.

So helpful. Thank you for the resources

As a recently reformed catholic I’ve put in a lot of thought into gay ppl for some reason. I’m 100 percent straight. I could never be attracted to another guy. It’s impossible. Which is why I just feel bad for gay ppl, I really do. I understand what the pope is trying to do. He doesn’t want fellow followers of Christ to constantly be chastising them. Its threading a very thin needle of not going into sacrilege when he does not comment on priests in Germany blessing gay unions. Tolerance should be taught so religious parents don’t disown they’re children for being gay etc. but the blessing part is kinda like hmmm idk. Now that’s opening the door to blessing other things. Anyway I pray for our pope. I get what he’s trying to do but I’m not so sure it’s the right way and his job is difficult to say the least. I do agree that gay ppl get treated unfairly compared to those with other sins.

"Abomination" is the word used in The Bible.

@Zamalandre

10 ай бұрын

Context is always important, brother in Christ. Lots of Christian love!

Was Abraham sinning by having more than one wife then? Or is it that God ordains some men to practice polygamy and forbids others.

@davisbuckhannon5348

7 ай бұрын

@@EarlyMusicDivayou didn’t really answer my question though. You just explained that Abraham was a good guy and how it happened…

1:07 yes! It’s Dr. Robert Gagnon’s “The Bible and Homosexual Practice” book!

Murder doesnt apply today

My favorite thing is when they ham sandwich a sin they like they’ll use the same loophole as the ham sandwich

You guys never placed those links to these referenced books, at least not in these clips uploads.

My thoughts on homosexuality in the bible. I've wondered why it wasn't even more explicit. Men may not sleep with men as with women... etc. etc. Then I realized; The bible is an educational book. It's meant to let you know the best path through life. Some things are so obvious you don't need to tell people not to do it. "Thou shalt not eat broken glass!" When you just think "anal sex"... do you REALLY need someone to tell you that's wrong and probably extremely dangerous?

IT'S ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE

Still looking for the answer to what are men to do with same-sex attraction?

@cameronhoward99

8 ай бұрын

Same thing straight men are required by God to do. Not have any sexual relations except to the woman he's married to. The standard is the same for everyone. Is it harder for some people to follow than others? Sure. But every commandment is harder for some over others. Regardless, our job is to obey.

So did society become better or worse since gay marrage was allowed? Any answers?

@Ekim1740

10 ай бұрын

yes. it did. well it should nt have been legal because it is not a right. California voted against it. and Gays cried.

The “the sons of god” were referring to heavenly beings (angels) not humans. They were sleeping with earthy women.

Mathew 19:11-12; Jesus is referring to non-breeders in that passage, and the term “eunuch” included gays in that lexicon.

The pop up sounds sure are annoying

Ummm I dont think God sent the flood because of polygamy. Genesis 6 does not even imply that.

@michaelibach9063

10 ай бұрын

An ancient Hebrew commentary actually states the straw that broke the camel’s back was same sex marriage and marriage to animals, the midrash

@tony3

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelibach9063 what does that have to do with polygamy though

@michaelibach9063

10 ай бұрын

@@tony3nothing, but it had a lot to do with what’s going on in the world today

@hex_gekko29568

10 ай бұрын

I think that if it is an evil act, God would explicitly say so. Lots of very specific refrences to what sex is not allowed. There is a part where it says if you take another wife, you must provide for her as well as your first wife. There are problems with polygamy in a pragmatic sense, but nothing forbidding it by any means. You do need the majority of people to be monogamous for a functioning society though.

@tony3

10 ай бұрын

@@hex_gekko29568 it is certainly not the ideal. Deacons are required to have one wife and God only made Adam one wife. That being said, singleness and divorce are also not the ideal but are also not necessarily evil or sinful, rather they are necessary or honorable in particular instances. In the modern context the benefits of polygamy are almost non existent and the harms are magnified, but the idea that polygamy is universally sinful is not a biblical concept.

Some of the trolls on this post have a lot to learn regarding truthfulness. 🙄

@wambaofivanhoe9307

8 ай бұрын

Oh please then do enlighten us.

where does it say two people of same sex in a monogamous, loving and committed relationship is a sin? Understand the sacrement of marriage as a sacrement can be man and woman, and that young male prostitutes in the temple is a sin as St Paul pointed out. I am not gay, but this is by far the single greatest reason why people I know have left the church. I am practicing Catholic and I see people who judge committed same sex relationships as cruel. If Ieave the church again it will be because I cannot reconcile this cruelty with a Christian life and I cannot see the biblical references, certainly Jesus did not speak of it

I really want to understand the point here and not devolve into juvenile arguments. Polygamy was practiced by the kings of israel for a long time after the flood. And I don't see it being vilified in the passages that deal with it. And what is one to make of all the various prohibitions that modern churches ignore? Is treif permitted? Or mixing fabrics? Are we to administer the death penalty for crimes as commanded by old testament law? I'm trying to understand the logical structure of how authority is derived from scriptures. Or why certain passages seem to be irrelevant now.

@metorphoric

10 ай бұрын

Levitical law forbade Kings to practice polygamy ""He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray..." - Deut 17:17." Regarding the authority, the is a rather big large question. Christianity believes that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. His death created a new covenant through the shedding of his Blood whereas the OT was through animal sacrifices as payment of sin (debt). Various OT prophets actually alludes that a new covenant would be made (Moses, Ezekiel and Jeremiah). Romans 6:14 actually say that we are not under law but (Jesus) grace. Jesus was the law, and his death fulfilled the prophecy, not to abolish the law. Why are certain laws still practiced and not others? Jesus spoke about the greatest (mosaic) law. (See the sermon on the mount) Jesus often said "You have heard that it was said..." (mosaic law) and then follows up with an addition to the law. Example is "murder". “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.” Jesus is not saying murder is no longer sin but adds that having hatred for someone in your heart is just a bad. I think Jesus makes a case for the spirit of the law and not just the letter of the law. The fabric I believe was a ceremonial law meant to separate the Hebrews from the Pagan (this is just my guess) but again, this was the old covenant, Law of Moses, and Jesus was the New Covenant, Law of Christ. That being said, Christians do follow the 10 commandments and are repeated in the NT. I think you must distinguish ceremonial law from moral law.

I thought that lamech was pretry laid back and it was his son Tubalcain who was bragging about his murders... maybe im remembering that incorreclty

@NMemone

10 ай бұрын

I happened to read this passage yesterday. It was Lamech.

@Ramoreira86

10 ай бұрын

@@NMemone thanks!!!

The stupidity of a chemical reaction and they wanted Connie take that with love

I hope this isn't misunderstood, but polygamy is still a procreative, family building arrangement that works to maintain a social order. Same-sex arrangements are fruitless and have torn our social order apart in just a few decades. One man one woman is the nature of all marriage everywhere, even in polygamy, since the women are not "wives" to each other and the man's death would end two marriages. Polygamy is still a major problem in terms of the status of women and is greatly inferior to monogamy. But Abraham, Jacob, and David are not to be compared to those who would participate in same-sex unions.

Coming from a catholic, how many convicted catholic clergy of SA against children? 😅😅

A King is coming...

Something else that has to be highlighted: "Love" in a same-sex context is impossible since it's a disordered attraction. It's only lust.

Homosexuality is the same sin as masturbation. Its sexual activity that is purely recreational.

@Maryismymom2

10 ай бұрын

Wrong

@06rtm

10 ай бұрын

@@Maryismymom2 Explain

@eniolaelisery1503

7 ай бұрын

You’re right

The truth is once Joseph died, and Jesus became the head of his house, his sisters had to have his approval to get married if they were not of age yet. No Jewish man would ever come and ask for one of Jesus' younger brother's hand in marriage, even among the Gentiles this was not done, what was usually done, among heathen Gentiles there was no marriage, instead a wealthy and powerful gentile might enslave a young boy already a slave to use for sex, but there was no marriage. Jesus didn't have to address homosexuality, because it was not a reality in a Jewish home. Even Jesus or any Jewish man would ever sell his sister/daughter as a sex slave, but they could approve their hand in marriage. Jews only married Jews or Gentiles who became Jews, which is why in the NT Church, Christians were encouraged to marry only Christians and to not be yoked with an unbeliever, bringing discord to the House of Yahweh. Were their eunuchs in society? Yes, some were made that way, others born that way, but the whole point was they could NOT have sexual relations with women which is why heathen gentile kings often kept them in charge over harems. The great harm done to modern-day theology is to say that eunuchs are homosexuals, so since eunuchs could become Christians and remain celibate and in service to God, whereas before they could not enter the temple, but now be a temple of their God infilled with the Holy Spirit, that somehow homosexuals don't have to repent of their sin and be born anew to be either celibate or joined in marriage to a spouse of the opposing gender and remain unrepentant and a Christian at the same time. The other great harm is to say that Jesus never addressed homosexuality when he never had to because it was never a part of Jewish culture or Christian culture. Instead, what we have are idolatrous manipulators still playing at the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil not realizing their sin of deciding to define good and evil for themselves is what damned Adam in the first place. Satan's deceit was to trick Adam & Eve into knowing evil, knowing him, knowing what was opposed to the truth that was God, who made them in His image, and to lose that image by embracing the evil that is untruth, because God only knows and is good, he only knows evil in so far as what it is not of Him, he never had intimate relations with evil, as Adam chose to, and so we find a world that embraces the untruth, can't say what a man and woman are in God's image, let alone in biology, and all the while the axe is at the root of the bad trees, soon to be chopped down and thrown into the lake of fire, because Good is life and evil is death, and the two never go together! "Choose you this day whom you will serve . . . but as for me and my House, we will serve Yahweh!" Joshua 24:15 Ethics and Morals in Entertainment and Education - a proper response: - (Source: haqodeshim blogspot com/2021/06/ethics-and-morals-in-entertainment-and html) OR Why do Liberals and the LEFT IGNORE the CDC? OR Why do #Methodists forget their #Wesleyan #Faith includes #reason and #experience as well as #scripture and #tradition? #Ethics #Morals #STDepidemic #CDCgov

I had never considered the implications of how (almost) everyone in the box (ark) including the animals were monogamous. But honestly that could as easily be practical, that you only need one male and one female of species and you only have limited room. But to be more accurate, it was 7 (pairs perhaps? The Hebrew is unclear) of each clean animal. I agree the Bible is super clear that homosexuality is wrong, but that makes it even stranger when this dude just jumped off a cliff on his mission to argue from genesis 6. The flood was certainly NOT a punishment for polygamy. It was for God's people being unfaithful and intermarrying with the seed of the serpent. The pattern of "saw, good, took " is the same as we saw in the original fall of genesis 3. Eve saw the fruit looked good and she took it. Sons of God saw the daughters of man looked good and took them. This pattern happens again in Joshua (chapter 7?) When achan saw good clothing and took it. Lastly, in the book of chronicles, David is told "see, take what looks good to you" but he responds that he will not offer to God what he paid nothing for. So yeah, it's not a polygamy issue. And nowhere does it even imply that polygamy is going on at that time. That's just a sad crazy reach to argue that, especially when there's plenty of other verses that in the Bible that legitimately do make the case which you could use.

Please please, go over Marijuana and the Bible? I'm very confused where it stands in morality to our God.

@trudgemankPhD

10 ай бұрын

I think it relates to sensuality, drunkenness, and sloth-better to steer clear than by taken over by it. I personally don’t think it’s intrinsically any worse than having a few drinks here or there, but getting super high or using too often is probably tantamount to drunkenness/alcoholism. And a lot of people who use it regularly become lazy and unmotivated. I fully abstain myself largely for employability reasons.

@michaelibach9063

10 ай бұрын

Don’t smoke it

@zacharypotvin6579

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelibach9063 where does it say that in the scriptures though?

@zacharypotvin6579

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelibach9063 I understand sobriety, relating to alcohol. But as long as marijuana helps you medicinally and does not distract you from your faith and make you slothful, etc i dont see the issue. He did put it on God's good Earth for a reason right ? I just wish there was a specific verse relating specifically to pot. Other than the burning bush. Lol jk

@zacharypotvin6579

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelibach9063 as for me I work night shift 12 hour nights and can hardly sleep because it's so noisy in my apartment during the day.. Does that make me mortally sinful because I'm just trying to ease my pains and sleep ?

There’s a New Testament for a reason.

@Maryismymom2

10 ай бұрын

The NT does not cancel the OT. You will never justify homosexuality in the OT or the NT.

@eniolaelisery1503

7 ай бұрын

What does that mean?😂

What about homosexual activity observed in over 1500 different species?

@shilohmjh7628

10 ай бұрын

Just because animals act a certain way in a fallen, corrupted creation, doesn’t give permission to humans (who are not animals) to follow sinful practices; especially as those practices are specifically condemned by God in His Word. A female black widow, and a female praying mantis both savagely devour their mate after sex. Using the logic presented, would it be kosher then for women (or men) to kill and eat their sexual partners? It’s done in nature… (Please know, I honestly am not trying to attack you! It’s so hard through just reading a comment to know the tone and heart of the person offering the comment. I just wanted to offer a logical thought using your comment as a springboard.)

What if a same-sex couple stays celibate? Playing Devil's advocate. No pun intended. 👀

@joshuabergen6905

10 ай бұрын

Still trying to justify a committed same sex relationship with your passions towards another person which God calls dishonourable/of your former nature. regardless how 'good' your intent is, are you willing to surrender to his will. You could therefore justify an adult having a committed relationship with a child but remaining celibate....same thing. The aim of the gospel is that we are to be transformed into his image and our conduct, relationships, etc are to mirror his original design.

@Foreign0817

10 ай бұрын

@@joshuabergen6905 Me, an extreme virgin who hasn't even felt a woman's touch, let a lone a man's. Who's been turning down advances for the past ten years, tearing myself apart from the inside as I yearn to be intimate while depriving myself of even emotional intimacy: "What the eff did I ever do, man?"

@jessicabender1301

10 ай бұрын

Affection and intimacy do no have to be sexual. Sexual relations are not just male female, but male and female only in marriage. We just don’t like God’s limitations on our sexuality. Still doesn’t change the truth. Marriage biblically is man and woman.

@Foreign0817

10 ай бұрын

@@jessicabender1301 Who said it wasn't?

@SomeIsBest

10 ай бұрын

Even a heterosexual couple can't legitimately be a couple and expect to stay celibate. That's a ticking time bomb. The same applies with the same-sex couple.

I would be more intimately acquainted with the intimate details of the sex change process before making a judgement if trans kids need a stern father or merciful mother more.

Talk about dancing around that question. Here is correct response. Your daughter is a reprobate and no amount of scripture will change your mind because God has seared her mind with a hot fire so she can do those things which are not convenient.

In the Old Testament the queers were referred to as sodomites. In the New Testament there isn't much talk about them (although the Apostle Paul did make some statements alluding to them), but Jesus never mentioned a word about them He never once dissed the queers, or the prostitutes, or the pedos, but he had plenty of negative things to say about the religionists who had power.

@BalthasarCarduelis

10 ай бұрын

Remind me again what Jesus said about millstones and the sea.

@catherinebracy4332

10 ай бұрын

@@BalthasarCarduelis Amen. That's a whole umbrella sentence.

@Ekim1740

10 ай бұрын

Jesus is the God of the Old testament. He exist before becoming human. He is the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Moses.

@Athonite

10 ай бұрын

Jesus also never said anything about cannibalism. Guess meat's back on the menu, then?

@MohicanIncan

7 ай бұрын

Who were these specific religionists who had power?

The word Homosexuality was never used in the Bible.

@Maryismymom2

10 ай бұрын

Wrong

Polygamy is lawful. Whether you think it’s right or not

@eniolaelisery1503

7 ай бұрын

Pfft ok bro👍🏾🤣

I suggest you open your hearts and minds to the all encompassing love of our Lord and not let your narrow minds and stoney fundamentalist hearts limit the love of God as expressed through His creation...if two consenting adults with well-formed consciences decide to live in a loving, monogamous relationship, who are you to judge and condemn their love relationship and faithfulness to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...don't put limits on the love, omniscience and power of the Almighty

@lbns2

10 ай бұрын

I would be careful with that mindset. The Bible clearly defines the original purpose of marriage, and the original purpose of man and woman, is to be together. Every mention of homosexuality in the Bible is not accepted, even in the New Testament. Paul mentions it in his letters (1 Corinthians 6). When asked about marriage and divorce in Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus quotes Genesis stating “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” Jesus does not mention homosexual relationships when talking about marriage. People can have warped views of what is acceptable to bring to God, just because we think it's okay doesn't mean God does. You are right when you say not to judge, I agree. Although just because we are not to judge, does not mean sin is acceptable now. We can lovingly warn those who are living blindly against the Word of God to read into what the Bible teaches.

@lbns2

10 ай бұрын

@@zorbo77 Since the fall of man, when Eve ate the apple, sim entered the world and since then all humans are born broken and not as God originally created us. He created us in His image, yet sin corrupts us and we are all now broken. For everyone, it’s different. Some people deal with rage, some with depression, some with addiction. And some with identity issues, in the case we’re discussing, sexual identity or homosexuality. Sim comes in all shapes or forms, and it quite frequently comes in forms that make us want to justify it because it seems “normal” to have. I believe every one of these issues can be resolved in some shape or form. It’s not an easy fix, it requires a lot of intentional change in mindsets, a lot of prayer, accepting God for who He is and allowing Him to transform us, such as Romans 12:2 says. And yes I do believe the Bible clearly states it’s stance that homosexuality is a sin

@bennyv4444

10 ай бұрын

I don’t condemn anything, God makes judgements, some of which he has shared with us. Your problem is with God, not Matt

@Maryismymom2

10 ай бұрын

@lbns2 no there’s mortal sin and there is venial sin. There is sin that leads to death of the soul. All sexual sin is mortal- extra- marital sex, pre- marital sex, pornography and masturbation. We live in a broken world but Jesus said be holy for I am holy. Holiness can be achieved by living a chaste life. Jesus didnt die on the cross so that we can continue in our sin. He died to give us a new life- his kingdom has come. We have to pick up our cross and follow him. That means suffering along with him. Friendship with the world is being an enemy of God. The world wants to cherry pick a verse do not judge and take it out of context. It’s unloving to justify sin and make a mockery of the cross.

I’d suggest to put the Bible away and think for yourself about the reasons why homosexuality is supposably immoral. I’d suggest that there are none.

@Maryismymom2

10 ай бұрын

Wrong

@eniolaelisery1503

7 ай бұрын

Well tbh the whole purpose of sex is procreation, and same-sex couples simply can’t do that, it’s a reproductive dead-end and as a man, putting your genitals in someone else’s butt is quite disrespectful to you and God. A man’s genitalia contains seed which is incredibly powerful and valuable, and to put that in the part of the body that is full of the most waste and bacteria is simply immoral by default - you don’t put items of great value and significance in the bin or trash. Also biology shows same-sex morals are immoral because a man’s seed will never look for other sperm to join together with, rather it would always look for a woman’s egg. This is important to understand because a man’s seed is their life force and very literally has the potential to create life.

Ok cool, so your point is homosexuality should be illegal because the book says it’s bad. Solid logic. Where could this go wrong?

@davidgarcia1163

10 ай бұрын

Who said anything about illegal?

@SuperZebezian

10 ай бұрын

I sense you're not arguing from a position of good faith and looking to understand, but I'll bite anyway for those who might check replies. It is not always advantageous to legislate against every immoral thing. However, the more fundamental the disorder or the greater the wrong, the greater the argument for making something illegal. If by "homosexuality" you mean homosexual marriage, then there's plenty of reason to either keep it illegal or make it so. Regarding homosexual activity itself, there can be more of an argument to tolerate it legally even though it is still immoral.

@acts-me8xr

10 ай бұрын

Tell me how you can account for logic without the God of the Bible. Mind you I'm not asking how to be logical or if you believe in logic. Clearly you do cuz you're appealing to it. What I want to know is how you can account for logic existing in our reality apart from the God of the Bible, the one who you clearly have a problem with or at least you have a problem with His word

@SaintCharbelMiracleworker

10 ай бұрын

Oversimplification. It's a lot more than that if you are familiar with human history. It signifies the decline of civilizations. Camile Paglia (leftist) writes about how the great civilizations self implode. Her work and JD Unwins work titled Sex and Culture are a must read. They studied many different cultures throughout history and conclusions are the themes of androgyny, homosexuality, sadomasochism and gender impersonation are signs of cultural decadence leading to decay. These are signs that a culture is losing its way and a collapse is imminent. She cites Greeks, Romans, Weimar Germany, Egypt, Babylon, Byzantines etc.

@davidgarcia1163

10 ай бұрын

@SuperZebezian why would you make it illegal? As a Christian, yes, I understand it as sin, but I can't expect others to be forced into that view. If God gives you the freedom to choose, we have to do the same.

I prey to lord lucifer that the poor lost souls here someday find peace through the wisdom and knowledge bestowed upon them by the great light-bringer. Satan bless!

When Yahweh flooded the world the first time, society was much like it was today.

The same book that supports slavery, genocide, rape, etc etc condemns homosexuality? As a gay person this is an honor 😂

@eniolaelisery1503

7 ай бұрын

Rape: “But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman” Deuteronomy 22 Slavery Also in Exodus, it is clear that the LORD hates the idea of owning and selling other men and women as property, to the extent it is potentially punishable by death - Verse 21:16 - "Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death." "You must not return an escaped slave to his master when he has run away to you. Indeed, he may live among you in any place he chooses, in whichever of your villages he prefers; you must not oppress him." (Deuteronomy 23:15-16) The Bible doesn’t condone such things, stop lying