As soon as you said you were going to mount the runners sideways, I just thought that's not going to work.

Nick there is guy near you called Adam Dunlop, he seems pretty switched on, you should get him to give you some pointers.

@NBundyElectrical

8 ай бұрын

fair

@oddjobkia

8 ай бұрын

on a serious note have a look at Scott Brown van build (newzealnd builder) @@NBundyElectrical

@alsanova

8 ай бұрын

LOL! 😂😂 Best comment!

@MHandP

8 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@user-py5wn3yl8x

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but bro have you seen the kids haircut? It’s rougher than putting a pack out on a slider

This was fucked up right from the point you said "we are gonna mount these flat" 🤣 Never pull all the way out 😂

In a distant place in far away lands there is a sparky who's normally good with his hands Creating stuff and fixing his van Just trying to do the best as he can A sliding box sitting on a track like a train But fucking it up, not using his brain. Perhaps the results are a bit of poo But it doesn't matter because your fans still love you.

@NBundyElectrical

8 ай бұрын

gonna get that tattooed

Great idea, but why not use the runners for the side loading door? Get them the right way and have the boxes slide out the side so you can fully use that dead space.

Nice idea. I have to say, after being a sparks for nearly 20 years and 4 vans in that time and seeing countless others, I have to say there is no perfect van rack.....unless you have a high side long wheel base!! The only thing I could suggest is rotate 90 degrees so the draws face you as open the back doors

That finger pinches alone would of had me ripping it out and thrown across the unit! 😂 If it matters what i think then personally i would have it like you did before ,keep us updated!

Have you checked out Caprani Plumbing van layout? I’m just changing mine similar to that. Utilize the side door for all your grab and go stuff, then materials in the back. It also mostly forces you to put your stuff away vs just throwing it in the van. Everyone to their own though. Keep it up, 100k any day now.

Do a double runner system. First short runners to move the base right to left by a few inches (so the boxes can be flush to the side of the van) then a second set of larger rails to move the boxes in and out of the van.

I’d put it all back to how it was. Or if you want to try again, then use the runners vertically and make the “shelf” as a box section. This would be stronger. You will defiantly still have the wasted space behind. Alternatively, use them to make a pull out section from the side door! Did anyone take the Stanley boxes off your hands?

@JackdiyGarden

8 ай бұрын

This is what I have done, got a full width drawer in the side door under lifted floor for all of my cable

@christagg7570

8 ай бұрын

Think I saw the Stanley's in the background near the end of video

it's fascinating to watch the realization slowly set in, from the first glimpse of how this will not work when you lay them flat, to the end product where it just sags. Honestly, if you just made two 90degree brackets for them, bolted those to the van floor, and the runners in the proper direction to that, all you'd need is just a few mounting points on the inner side of the runners to the packout mounting plate and you'd be golden, I think you can fix this fairly easy.

So close to 100k man, fair play to the absolute grind 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Nearing 100k congratulations. They do floor mounted runners rather than side mounted which as you found out aren't designed for vertical loading. The dead space behind the "packout pullout" isn't dead when its out. I feel the dead space is the biggest gain from this and has so much potential. Lastly, I haven't got a lot of hair left, watching you pull the two levers had me contemplating pulling it out. I'm envisioning a fancy pivot on in the middle with two bits of string. But honestly I'd let the side down and drill a hole in each release catch and put a cable tie in each. So you can pull the two cable ties with finger and thumb and with the other hand pull on the packout drawer.

Rotate the runners 90 degrees, add a ratchet strap around all 4 to prevent them flopping apart. For added fun buy 2 short runners the depth of the boxes, mount flat as you did here and run them across the van so they slide out towards the middle then mount the vertical ones to that. This will save that wasted space as you can pull them out beyond the door frame into the van then extend out the back to open and use. Reverse procedure to put away. i.e push back into van then pust back to wall.

Dont feel bad Nick. i did almost exactly the same thing in my truck, my handles were blue tho. Worked for me as it was for a drawer twice the length of the distance i needed (didnt want to push it) and was able to counter balance bend the other end. I knew it was not how to fit correctly but I had clearance issues like you. Wish i watched your video before my fingers got bit! Lol To solve the double lock issue i used a length of wire with some rubber tubing and joined the two handles together. You still have to use two hands to push it back but being able to grab it with one hand when in a hurry is great.

Good idea, just get the runners mounted the right way up and it’ll be sweet

@projectartichoke

8 ай бұрын

Yep. Just need to make some supports on the floor to get them mounted vertically, angle iron (or even aluminium 'L's) is the way to go, it should be fine then. It's not a stupid idea at all. Even a couple of 4x4 posts! That might be easier for mounting the brackets. They have to be fairly even from the floor of the van or they might bind.

@Sparks1Plumbers0

8 ай бұрын

Yer... what she said.😂 They are for vertical load. Not lateral you pudding. Or are you show-reeling for a spot on Artisans team 🤣🤣🤣

I definitely like the idea, could find a way of using the dead space for some extra bits like the mats you use or something. If it were me then I'd fit one of those fold out legs underneath so that it unfolds as you pull out the shelf and then it is pulled back up and in as you move the draw back.

if this stays in, see if you can screw a leg on a hinge below the plywood between the runners, so when you pull out the drawer the leg comes down and supports the weight? Like if your going to have the drawers out for a long time etc

@NBundyElectrical

8 ай бұрын

I've already ripped it out mate

Nick, you knew it was a bad idea even when you were doing it through the video! Trust your gut! You’re a practical chap and there will be a better way to arrange those drawers that you just haven’t found yet. Keep up the good work, soooo close to that silver play button 😉

You could build a dual layer base. The lower layer of the base on rails and castors to allow the unit to slide left & right to use the dead space. Then build the upper part of the base to accomodate the runners - but in the correct orientation as thats where their strength is. A bit more of a faff, and you'd lose a bit more height, but if you really REALLY wanted them to slide in and out, you could make it work.

Add a stop block underneath nock to stop it pulling too far and getting the bend in the runners.

Cheers for the laugh Nick. Good effort - not a total loss, you learned valuable experience and a lesson along with a video. 98.6k subscribers mate. SOON.

Also it would work with stabilising legs which you can fold up then fold 180 down to the floor. As for the lost space behind, I reckon you could box it out and use for lengths of crap or whatever.

Had similar problem when was using pick up truck used linear rails and bearings worked a treat

Muppit 😂😂 I've had bad day and this put a smile on my face, so thank you ❤ Ps when you refit them the right way up put them against your bulk head and have them sliding out the side door with no loss space. Or if insist on rear door out some packout organiser, screwbox thingis behind ovs not the important ones

2 bits of studwork cls screwed to the base the width of the packouts apart. Mount the sliders vertically on them, then plywood to the width inside and build up using another few bits of timber, the mount packouts on top

Thanks for leaving all the finger pinches in, made me smile 😊😊

I think I'd mount some short flat runners side to side on the bed (Fully supported by the bed), then mount the long runners on their edge front-to-back. That would allow you to slide the whole assembly out of the wheel well to clear the door, then out of the door. You can then push it right up against the side of the van, clearing the middle of the bed for bulk items.

Nick, I think you need a proper bed slide kit, the one in my Sprinter is thick box section steel. It also helps because it is bolted through the floor and secured underneath

Mount the runners properly, then mount the runners at a slight angle but the top square so stored it's closer to the wall but still opens past your door

On a fire vehicle I once worked with. The sliders were yes mounted vertically but also pivoted at the back. So you would swing them in ward away from the van wall then extend missing the rear door post. In the extended position they were possible a few degrees off the van centre but didn’t effect retrieving the tools. It was clever and well executed not sure how it pivoted sorry. Can head down the station one day and ask the lads maybe get some photos.

I use those runners in my van if installed like a drawer runner they take a lot of weight. Been using mine for 3 years now and still going strong.

To make use of the wasted space, do what you have done but on the other side. That way you can store your ladders behind in the wasted space. Loading the ladders behind in the gap from the sliding door end.

Been there, done that, 10 years ago! Undermount drawer runners are what your after for that weight distribution, you’ll never get out of the space waste issue though unless you swing/cantilever the rack from its resting position to extended, a bit like the kidney/le man’s pull outs in kitchen corner units! Good luck in you quest!

@colin125gwr

8 ай бұрын

SCAM !!! i think

Tom Daley the High board jumper would be so proud of that as a diving board, its got a lot of movement . The runners are designed to work on the sides of a drawer eg force going downwards on the height, youve put them so the force goes across the with, which thyere not designed to do. There is a simpler way, using wood as 2 tracks each side and using these. Roller tracks with cylindrical plastic rollers and steel axle, will make a sketch and email you Paul

I'm just surprised the whole lot didn't fall on the floor, you need to get a couple of brackets welded up to mount the runners top and bottom, proper job.. You do have to test your ideas out though, so well done for sharing.

Pretty sure these get the support fitted upright. I have some about half the size for a pull out work table in my van. Holds 50kg with no flex at all (haven’t tired anything heavier) and they were only about £15 on eBay

I think I would mount the runners as they are supposed to go - makes L shaped cart with small casters to run on the van floor- number depending on load.

Great Idea Nick, Is there enough gap between the runners to fit a Metal support to fold down to take the weight of the wood when you pull it out . Just a thought ?

Looks good Nick but I’ve an idea to put the runners the correct way (vertical instead of flat). I’ve you was to create a draw like normal with the runners vertical and then ply the top of the draw you can then sit the whole packout system on top of the ply and the runners would be the correct way. The draw would only have to be the height of the runners to ensure you don’t loose the headspace above the packout. Just an idea lol. Great vid 👍👍

Fit the runners vertically on some 2x2 or 3x2 and have it so when you open the side door you can pull them across the opening.

Nick, your relentless drive and consistency in using innuendo at every opportunity, is really admirable 👊😄

@NBundyElectrical

8 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Good idea in theory but it seems like quite a waste of space really for not much of a benefit. Only way i could really see of getting easier access to them is turn them 90⁰ and have them all opening out the back doors and stack the totes behind them and access them from the side door. Depends if you need the open space down the centre for carrying longer items regularly.

Mount them the correct way and build a drawer for the pack outs to sit on, you could add a leg that drops down on a hinge to support if weight is still an issue

Mount pieces of steel angle to the two parts of the runners so they are mounted vertically as designed. Screw the one of the 'feet' to the bed of the van and the other to your tool box bases or your tool box base board. You will loose some height between the top of the tool boxes and the roof by the depth of the runners but you could also use that space underneath as storage if you make a long shallow draw! 😎

Still looks absolutely awesome lovely van and a lovely bit of kit you’ve got mate

What about some drop down supports/legs it the end of the shelf, to take the weight properly, a bit like the new tough system van storage works?

Could frame out behind the boxes in such away that allows for support rails in vertical position and offers small storage space in between the rails and behind the boxes which will be accessible when boxes are pulled fully out. Would utilise the wasted space as much as possible. If possible could frame out far enough that avoids clash with box on door and hopefully wouldnt prevent drawers on opposite side from fully opening. Although, may not need to worry about that as again, when boxes are pulled fully out, there would be plenty of space for opposite drawers to open anyway. Look forward to seeing your solution.

I’d try 21mm unistrut under the center of the 2 rails, fixed to the underside of the wood for support and re-mount the rails on 21mm uni strut also to allow for the height. Worth a try

I do the same with a workbench but I keep a Stanley fold up saw horse to bring it out onto 👊

Putting a cable tie round the top handles (the ones on the corners) to lock the two sets of drawers together at the top should help the sag a bit. But also putting the runners the right way round will help even more!

Looking at it, you have tried to solve a problem when one didn't really exist in the first place.Nice one 😂

Just another thought Nick. Maybe a drop down leg with a castor on the end fixed to the pack out box . Pull it bast the verge of the van drop the leg or legs and the pull it all the way out🤔

You can get mountings to mount pack out in its horizontal position but on walls. Seen it a lot on instagram by the folks over the pond, some of it is custom made by guys but im sure Milwaukee do make something as well

The concept is there, just need to get something stronger. However, IMO, you would pull it all the way out if you want to make use of the small void behind it, otherwise getting to anything behind it would be a pain too. I understand the feeling though, im constantly rearranging my van too.

hi interesting video once you start with the packout system it never ends if you are looking for it to be rigid then i suggest you fasten two pcs of wood 3x2 depends on the width of your runners then build a drawer upside down and the packout will be fastened to the top of the drawer there you have it . it will be like pulling the drawer but it will be upside down . the gap underneath can be used for long pcs such as unistrut rods etc. let usknow how you get on thanks

create a box mount for the runners vertically, so you will lift the whole packout kit, to recover the wasted space that you lost on the top due to the size of the mount box, create another inner drawer system inside the mounted box, giving you strength and additional space back.

I like the idea but I would have turned the slides the way they are normally installed for strength. I think it can still work with some re-thinking of the slide orientation.

Great video but don’t think it’s going to hold. As you say in your video these brackets are built to be side mounted. Came at this link today and they have used backers to mount runners in the correct orientation hope it helps!? Keep up the great work.

on the underside of your board have a hinged brace leg that falls free to support the weight when at full extension

Have you considered a bigger van? Maybe something like a Snap-on tool truck.😀

I wander how much weight the hinges of the rear doors can take, building some kind of shelving into the rear doors might be an idea but one that also prevents draws opening when the doors are closed... the sliders may of be of some use further into the van... so when you open the read doors the rest of the shelving systems come towards you, but how it all works in practice while driving and also while using the system is another thing... ask a kitchen fitter? they might be better at fitting out a van than wiring...

Nick now you know why RSJ steels are always installed with the centre web vertical and floor joist are always installed in the vertical plane. Any thing is always at it strongest when the weight is bearing on the largest dimension

Mount the slides on angle iron so they are the right way up to take the suggested load.

Ive got rollers like you use to get at the supermarket in 80's i can remember playing with them as a kid. Im not sure where you would get them from mine were from a skip at a site i look after. If you are going to pull them out then how about putting them in the middle of the van? You will have loads of space on the side but will have to pull them out every time you need access to the other boxes.

Fix the runners to some 2x2 the right way up and screw them to the floor then build a base with 2x2 for the racks and fix to the runners

I Done a lot with these runners in the past, will never work like that and potentially dangerous when they pop and drop. Mount the other way up with angle or unistrut sandwich either side and will be solid but lost space, could pull out slightly angled to miss the corner, Something fabricated with bearings and angle would be more robust or make them pivot with hinge point. Another idea, slide rear box to left and access the rear box behind it rotated 90.

just flip them round the right way, mount them on some 2x2, easy job

Those runners are very similar to those in metal filing cabinets. They are very strong and take a lot of weight but need to be mounted vertically 😉

Lots of the sag is coming from the orientation of the runners if you made a box to screw them on vertical it would loose a lot of the bend

There is some sense to a slide out rack system but it has to be fit for purpose, and that my friend is not. Solid effort though and it's the thought that counts.... mostly.... Perhaps maybe a bespoke lightweight welded frame and runner system that can take the weight better? I am trying to keep most things on the van lately and just load up one big tub or pack-out with tools etc. It's all fun and games with trial and error. You will eventually find something that works for you.

That lego beard does make me chuckle 😂

Definitely a good idea, just required the runners to be mounted on beams. Your "bendy" method was kind of fun though :)

I have a Mercedes metris, you guys call it a Vito. I’ve done several things like this, except I use them in the correct orientation. The idea is to minimize the space and weight you take up and also not have stuff slipping around. I usually measure what I want to be on it and build to that dimension. I’ll use right angle aluminum on the edges as to provide an edge. Also, there are company’s that make RV storage solutions. Those big bus like recreational vehicles, have storage compartments underneath them, people want to access their stuff from both sides of the RV. They make super heavy duty slide systems for that. Reason I mention it is you don’t have to buy the drawer, you can buy the slides alone. They go from like 30”-90” in length. I have an 80”, it’s rated at like 900 pounds. Zero flex. You can stand in the drawer hanging out of the back of the van and bounce, and it’s fine. I built it to hold 2 rows of systainers wide. It cantilevers 55” from the back of my van. I have a tablesaw on it now. The slides were like $700 but totally worth it in my opinion. Also no rattles.

Just an idea for you. Could you not lift the rails up by say 30mm and then have a 18mm strip under the main bit of wood on a hinge so when it pulls out full it has something to sit on and it won’t sag then

Just get 4 piece stud timber , fasten each rails to two pieces in sandwich rail in between with them , with a 10mm height difference then fasten one piece of each set , the low side of each to the floor , preferably placed as the inside ones and screw down to the other side the higher one through your ply sheet , if you use 89mm stud you’ll have a handy slot for stuff under

Put another piece of ply in the middle on a hinge and when you pull it out it will drop down and act as a leg to the floor and take the weight. Fold it up and slide it back in ?

Love the honesty! I mean, put them the right way? Saw these on Amazon... worth a look...YENUO Undermount Heavy Duty Drawer Runners Slides Full Extension Bottom Mounted 400 600 800 1000 mm Hidden. Don't have them but they have good reviews? You could take the old ones back... 😂 all the best

Just think how often your going to hurt your hands every day, you did it enough just in this video, pure slapstick had to laugh 😂

@NBundyElectrical

8 ай бұрын

😁

You might want to put some kind of stopper in along the rail to stop the end, thereby not allowing the drawer to be pulled all the way out just in case.

Got my regular stuff going side to side in poor man’s pack outs. Open back doors and there we are. Then side door has access to a workbench and power tools. If I need to load long lengths in a connect lwb same as Adam’s, I move the boxes 90 degrees to allow load through. Rarely needed and I work with data and cctv mostly. Roof rack for any big loads.

You could add a swivel plate (lazy susan) for the back one and also put it on runners. So the back packout would slide into the middle and then you could spin it around to face you.

@illuminateelectrics4779

8 ай бұрын

@Text_No_. congratulations what??

NIck, you are NOT an idiot! Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You are an innovator. Even Thomas Edison had some flops before the light actually came on and stayed on.

Run 2 Batterns along the floor big enough to accomodate the rails. Attach the rails so they are in the orientation they're rated for to the batterns. Have a battern/square frame on the drawer side (male side?) of the battern and then 18mm ply on top of that. You'll never see the rails and the rails will be more happy with the weight

@jasonshulme

8 ай бұрын

I was just about to write something similar myself. Putting them vertical would help not only for the strength but smoothness too. Also having a framework from the runners to the ply would also give it extra strength and limit any flex.

@williamosullivan3553

8 ай бұрын

Nick you have made a pigs ear of it mate, do as was said above and fit them as the way they are designed/rated and you will have a lovely system. I have three extra long drawer in my van with 1600:long runners and lots of stuff in them and they work a treat.😂

I could what a whole video of you trapping your fingers everytime 😂

Well, at least you won't wear the barrings out on them as no weight is actually going to be applied to them. you should only mount them vertically, then the bearings which would be the top and bottom of the runners will engage. you will also be able to extend it out without it dropping or bending the rails. you could probably box the lot in and use the box to mount them, then when it's closed (maybe with a lock) your draws are protected from theft as well.

And some 90 angle bar doen the back of the board to add strength to help with the flexing

Mount them upright with L angles and pit mo7nting plates on the van side wall to put more compact organiser for less used things/ job specific supplies

as someone who owns a couple of rack mounted Servers, I know that those runners need to be on edge, as you finally worked out, so I would have put a couple of battons down and screwed them to those, put the plywood as should be screwed as per a server would be.

If you fix the runners the right way round would have worked perfectly. They are designed to be on vertically rather than on flat . 2 basic upstands fixed to be and shelf would work just fine

I cant think of a worse storage solution as them cases in the back of a van

You could make prop out of conduit to support the end when it's full pulled out. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Add a back behind the packouts with some packers attached to the interior frame of the van and put another pair of runners top and bottom should take the sag out of it 😊

I'd put a couple of pieces of angle iron or aluminum down to stiffen it up. and use that "wasted" space for a box, or some emergency equipment that you rarely use. Then you can pull the rails all the way out, and access it.

I did have a chuckle when you pinched your hand every time.

There is actually a set of floor runners they use for under stairs sliding cupboards. If you also use two sets upper and lower runners you could mount it around the door catch, Have less weight on each tier and be more modular.

@jradventure6694

8 ай бұрын

I added a floating deck to be able to slide sheet wood and stuff without having to take it all out or trying to stuff it in sideways.

Would make a difference if you added two more runners in the middle?

Could a dropdown leg be fitted under the sliding wood to add support for when it's extended?

In my Transporter LWB I have the Ovano Switch XL. Same drawer runners but in the right orientation. Takes 200kg no problem 👌🏽

Just needs a telescopic support under it, maybe something with a wheel at the top to help it roll out straight.