This channel is so underappreciated. Keep up the great content.

@howardschwartz1462

Жыл бұрын

I’m wondering if new brass is as accurate as fire formed brass. Thanks.

@ftn5546

Жыл бұрын

@@howardschwartz1462 I've found new brass and properly annealed, full length sized, trimmed, chamfered, and deburred brass (with adequate shoulder setback) to be more accurate than "neck size only" fire formed brass.

The sense of humor gets me by surprise pretty much every time

I really appreciate you doing these videos. Thank you

Great explanation Keith. Thanks very much for sharing.

Thank you for your content. So much information for a budding rifle enthusiast. Happy Holidays to you!

Yeah, I found the Type 4 node!! Starting to look for the Type 1 & 2s. Excellent presentation of performance and precision.

Great video explaining. Easy to follow knowledge based on your experience or those around you. Had your videos been around 30 or 40 years back.

I am 4 minutes in a video and I can say this is one of the best videos about the nodes there. Thanks!

That’s very helpful Keith. One of those things that I ‘should’ve noticed’ (and didn’t) but is now so clear! Explains why my best tunes are always so touchy. Much appreciated.

Thank you patreons and Keith.

Great way of helping one understand. Appreciate it.

I've only grasped this concept truly in the last year and gotta say as a mechanic your analogy hit home! Trying to play it safer these days but the temptation is real lol

I shoot type 1 from 13°C and above but type 2 from 11°C and below. Thanks for another excellent video Keith !!!

Thank you for the knowledge

Brilliant video! Thank you!

@winninginthewind

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

I’ve heard the siren song on the type 4 node with my 223 Ruger Precision Rifle. Had a top 5 finish in a Hathcock match with the load then came in 3rd from the bottom in a PRS-style match…

When I use node in reloading it is a harmonic happy location with regards to powder load with a particular barrel and projectile.

Good information

Great analog, I starting to shoot more of a type 1 node for PRS consistency is key vs upmost accuracy

Wow this was helpful. My hunting loads have been a type 3-4. I always felt speed kills and it does but I’ve had a couple misses and I’ve noticed the accuracy change from day to day or location to location.

This gave me questions!

This one hit home... I have loads in .308 and .300 Win Mag... The .308 is a Type 1 pushing a 175 MK at 2550. Slow but pinpoint accurate. The 300 Win Mag is a 225 ELDM @ 2880... Good velocity, but grouping can be fickle depending on conditions... And it's on the upper end of the min-max limit. So probably not too friendly where brass life is concerned.

Node is past tense of know.

Thank you for the content. Great as always! When I think of "a node" I think of some combination of factors that are consistent: velocity nodes, barrel harmonics nodes, optimal barrel time nodes, etc. Do your type 1, 2, and 4 nodes represent any combination of factors? Do they all have some mixture of similar factors, but in different proportions? Ultimately the target tells the tale of the tape, but what should we be looking for to identify nodes?

@winninginthewind

Жыл бұрын

The types are all about stability. For reference, an OBT node would tend to be a Type 1.

@charleshetrick3152

Жыл бұрын

@@winninginthewind in case you don’t see my other comment as a PCNW shooter yourself and obviously knowledgeable in terms of channel growth and so forth you might look into a channel called Ultimate Reloader he’s Washington based as well. It might make for a good collaboration.

Keith, when fireforming virgin brass, do you run the bullet into the lands to prevent an overstretching situation?

thankyou for saying this out loud,🙂now can you comment on hornady episode #50 your groups are too small..do i have to revisit load development?

Thanks Keith I seem to be loading to your type 4 node Have you identified cartridge fill rate to the node? Do your nodes parallel to the OBT barrel length nodes? Thanks Greg

@winninginthewind

Жыл бұрын

Hi Greg, I replied to your question with a private message. Thank you for your support of the channel!

your version of a daily driver is very different than mine

I'm newer to F-Class pushing the 184 Berger at 2778 average in my straight 284 in a 32" Krieger w/ Lapua Brass, H4831SC . Which type node would you classify that as based on your experience? I feel like it's maybe the type 2 because the next node is around 2825 and I start to hit pressure above that. I have no idea where my type 1 would be because I started LD near my current velocity.

@winninginthewind

Жыл бұрын

I tried that, and the 2775 node acted like a Type 4. 2825ish is a Type 2 in my recollection. I ended up moving to H4350 because it is more forgiving in the PNW.

Blow'd up and on fire, Wahoo

I keep finding type 4's. 5 round group 1-5 I'll have 1, 3, and 5 all touch during seating adjustment. Pick #3 because it's in the middle and it opens up like 2 and 4 on the next trip out. Maybe a gas gun thing, probably a me thing.

@Mr.Killswitch

Жыл бұрын

Semi autos have 2 recoil impulses to manage. The initial bang and then bcg slamming back. Could be part of your issue? Little more perfection required than a bolt gun.

@randomidiot8142

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Killswitch you say that but you couldn't know I use a Cali mag release to lock the bolt back after every shot, and a BAD lever to manually load to minimize heat soak into the powder. I have one impulse during the shot. The bullet is long gone by the time my action cycles to the rear anyway. 24" rifle gas 7.62x39, just enough gas to cycle, brass looks like bolt gun brass. I've managed a single 1/2 moa group when I wasn't trying, everything else is pretty pathetic. Brass is trimmed and bumped .002, annealed, powder trickled on an A&Dfx120i. Velocities are tight. It either has super tight windows that it likes or it's just erratic and nothing will fix it.

Is it fair to say that knowing what node you have: 1,2, or 4 is only identifiable when you shoot quite a bit of those nodes? Its great to have a way to identify the node characteristics, but the only way in my mind here to know what is what is to shoot in different temps, winds with the various loads. so identify 2 or maybe 3 nodes, load up some of each and then shoot them and determine what they do.

So how are you identifying what node you're experiencing?

60% of the time it works every time.

I want to marry a type two node. Sorry dude you may have used cars but I heard what you were sayin’.

What about a carbon mirage shield that is only added with velcro?

@winninginthewind

Жыл бұрын

Those are pretty darn light. I'm using a piece of vertical blind material. It doesn't make any noticeable difference.

More information to boggle my feeble brain!🙃

I love this channel at 72 Kieth makes me think and that is a good thing Now if I can figure out how to do it lol

Better definition

You seem like the type that might have a reasonable opinion about a pneumatic system for checking case volumes.

I think Amber Heard might be a Type 4 Node?

@charleshetrick3152

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but I bet every once in a while Johnny’s remembering the time she was hitting that X at a thousand…so to speak. I listened to that whole trial, a us Y chromos are darn lucky the jury saw through her BS.

Node……fancy word for pressure😉

@Patrick-xd8jv

Жыл бұрын

And harmonics

I should’ve type for node because I like drive myself nuts 😂😂

Type one, everytime, consistant wins in the long run, just dont mess up ,if you want more pace go to a 7saum still in type one load,just faster than 284 , simples, I shoot 284AI

I kept waiting on the punchline… why no type 3?

Also, seriously my man how have you and Paul Harrell not done a live stream or some such?

@charleshetrick3152

Жыл бұрын

Or Gavin from Ultimate Reloader?

Great info. as usual, ..... & unlike another f-class shooter, (no need to mention his name,....& I don't ever watch his videos because, after a few times was enough), your videos are packed full of info., unlike his, is nothing but about ME ME ME ME with just a bit of useless info., & just as useless little lucky experience..... if any, ..... - precisely why there is not even a need to mention his name - it's a given.....LMAO !!!....it's nauseating,.....SO - I am saying - you produce great videos full of useful info. with vast - logical & knowledgeable experience ..... & it is greatly appreciated. - Thank You again fer graciously sharing.

Now let’s hear the woman analogy on patrean.

@mindaugask1

Жыл бұрын

Type 1 is not HOT! :-)

@charleshetrick3152

Жыл бұрын

Better go to rumble Patrean censors too much

Kinda want to know what a type 4 node woman analogy would be?

@winninginthewind

Жыл бұрын

Do you really?

@crvnmrhd

Жыл бұрын

It's a red head hairdresser named Heather

@randomidiot8142

Жыл бұрын

Bpd. What you want one day and your worst nightmare the next. Or the same day.

@charleshetrick3152

Жыл бұрын

@@crvnmrhd you see a hairdresser? You know you can buy a pair of clippers and just buzz it at home?

@Patrick-xd8jv

Жыл бұрын

Your future x wife

he said "train wreck" what kind of White Noise is this? lol

Well your mistake was telling your wife!

@charleshetrick3152

Жыл бұрын

That’s what secret P.O. Boxes and credit cards are for. I’d never step out on What’s’er’name with another but I’ll be damned if she knows what my toys actually cost; until she’s going through my estate inventory anyhow.

@maxcoatlhunter4322

Жыл бұрын

@@charleshetrick3152 LOL 😅

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding this, but doesn't this contradict what you said in this earlier video?: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mY1ql659c5mae7A.html

@winninginthewind

Жыл бұрын

I fear you misunderstand. The video you linked is about why it is fruitless to try to use chronograph readings and associated statistics to "find" a good load. In this video, I am specifically talking about loads that shoot small groups, and this can be accomplished without a chronograph at all.

@hulley5223

Жыл бұрын

@@winninginthewind Thanks for the clarification.

Sorry Man. But this video makes absolutely no sense to me. I guess I got a lot to learn

@charleshetrick3152

Жыл бұрын

There’s a channel called mail call Mondays that has a great video on working up loads for folks not already thigh deep into this sorta business.