I think the walk up the stairs nearly finished one of them off 😂

@jackd9928

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I think they brought in the lift after this episode 😂

@orlakathleen95

7 ай бұрын

Right? He was almost dry heaving for the first five minutes

@NekoInk13

7 ай бұрын

I was really concerned lol I was convinced he wouldn't finish the pitch!

@nissan_skyline

7 ай бұрын

Lol for real, they could've taken the elevator.

@BionicPig95

6 ай бұрын

He’s just British

The minute he said "my turn?", his fate was sealed, and he was doomed to standing on the edge of his fishpond with rod in hand.

@AlessandroAloisi23

5 ай бұрын

😂 facts 🎣

@x-Chicken-x

4 ай бұрын

Completely, if someone in the street said that to me, I would turn away. No time for sarcasm in business!

@user-te1hi9rx7b

2 ай бұрын

@@x-Chicken-xless time for snowflakes emotions. go and cry on your mummys apron strings

@user-nm4vy7uk1o

2 ай бұрын

I like the way he shut that case dwn Beta to talk straight

@thavambase6907

Ай бұрын

Seriously not sure how Theo put up with that I would have kicked him out that very second

“I was involved in multi-level marketing” aka I narrowly avoided jail for running a pyramid scheme.

@AttitudeCharter

3 ай бұрын

Seriously ignorant comment.

It’s probably a good idea to not be rude,smug and arrogant when asking people to give you money.

@feonor26

7 ай бұрын

Ya think? 😂

@tmrevenge

3 ай бұрын

Now that you mention it!

@andrewguthrie2

3 ай бұрын

They're not giving money. They are taking it.

@gaycha6589

3 ай бұрын

Ever seen a politician?

@hmq9052

3 ай бұрын

Worked for Nigel Farage

"what's your experience" "Multilevel marketing" "What was the model" "The model we're using" "What happened" "It failed" "Why should i invest then" "It's the people's fault not the business model"

@davidjames579

Жыл бұрын

It was the customers fault for not buying. This time we'll have better customers.

@bizuett

8 ай бұрын

​@@davidjames579😂😂😂

Surprised none of them called the 'multi-level marketing' guy out for having been involved in selling pyramid schemes.

@bagofdoom7693

Жыл бұрын

Because the dragons rather not be sued

@Thepopcornator

Жыл бұрын

@@bagofdoom7693 Why would they be sued? That is literally what multi-level marketing is.

@RenegadeShepTheSpacer

Жыл бұрын

@@bagofdoom7693 Sued for calling a spade a spade?

@Cloak1972

Жыл бұрын

@@Thepopcornator because there is actually a difference between the two.

@SamRoads

Жыл бұрын

It's not the same, though it may feel the same. MLM is legal. Pyramid is not. Avon are MLM. Bernie Madoff was pyramid.

I believe it's the first time when I watch Dragons Den without even understanding the business model.

@MrMaxel3

5 күн бұрын

I watched it like two times just to try and get what I was missing. I have a vague idea that it is some MLM using realstate but...

Duncan - "Whatever you do, I'm out" 🤣🤣 I love him

@H.hipster

Жыл бұрын

Erm eut*

@Shivian124

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this guy seems impossible to work with. Duncan's called it early.

@Zebsy

Жыл бұрын

Savage, and completely fair

@scienceevolves4417

Жыл бұрын

Didn't get his point Did he honestly unironically suggest that people are not buying houses?!

@MrIlleism

10 ай бұрын

Before you start, I'm out - Jenny Campbell

Never knew Colonel Sanders was in the property market.

@hoobsgroove

Жыл бұрын

Didn't you know he sells chicken coops 😆

@Haywood-Jablomie

Жыл бұрын

It was originally called Kentucky Properties and Fried Chicken... Why doesn't anyone other than me remember the good old days of buying a 2 million dollar house and getting a free $20 bucket of chicken ?

@anubusx

Жыл бұрын

John Hammond.

@keithrobertson5110

Жыл бұрын

He doesn't he's been brown bread for years.

@nazmiah8013

Жыл бұрын

Colonel Sanders couldn’t even spell country correctly

"Commission only" is a code for crap wages. So I certainly wouldn't back them.

@andrewvelonis5940

Жыл бұрын

No, with commission only, there are no wages, crap or otherwise. You eat what you kill.

@awsumawstun

Жыл бұрын

I’m a realtor in the States and I can’t imagine NOT being commission only.

@RenegadeShepTheSpacer

Жыл бұрын

@@awsumawstun I can't imagine it either, although not for the reasons you probably think.

@C414AC

Жыл бұрын

Do you know what ‘only’ means?

@davidjames579

Жыл бұрын

@@awsumawstun How do you live?

Being rude to the Dragons then storming out? That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

@mccarthy5825

Жыл бұрын

I love this comment 👍 😂

@chrisklitou7573

Жыл бұрын

Ah I love dodgeball

@bigkuriboh3814

Жыл бұрын

I can't recall him storming off??

@danny-vt6qn

Жыл бұрын

@@bigkuriboh3814 at the end

@scottsmith9192

Жыл бұрын

Comment good right here! You win for me! I swear the comment section is half the entertainment of watching a YT vid

"It's not the business model that failed. It's people... Businesses don't fail. Airplanes don't crash. Pilots crash airplanes. The people fail." Wow, Gil - way to throw your business partner, who managed a failed business with your realtor method, under the bus.

@Fyreflier

7 ай бұрын

I did a double-take when I heard that because I honestly thought for a second that it was The Donald speaking

@salemkid1979

7 ай бұрын

@@Fyreflier I hope your TDS can get better

@happyliving1922

7 ай бұрын

@@salemkid1979 "Everyone who dislikes my cult leader is mentally ill" 🤓

@HajheerForoutan

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention it's the same "people" so it will fail again, so he shot himself in the foot there with that logic but considering he took a 12 gage in his mouth with his attitude, that didn't matter

@graymonk5972

5 ай бұрын

also even that analogy is bs. sometimes mechanical parts of planes suddenly break, very rarely of course (even rarer assuming it was a problem no one knew about or could’ve prevented). not every plane crash has a person at fault, and some planes are just built poorly or an airline is mismanaged so they’re setting their pilots up for failure

I can't tell if he's nervous or out breath putting his sale sign up

@AScaryOrange123

Жыл бұрын

Probably both. Quite the hefty fella.

@awsumawstun

Жыл бұрын

It’s the stairs. That’s why they ended up putting the elevator in. People kept getting out of breath walking up them and going straight into the pitch

@RenegadeShepTheSpacer

Жыл бұрын

@@awsumawstun And for wheelchair users.

@AScaryOrange123

Жыл бұрын

@@awsumawstun A normal person should'nt be out of breath from walking up the stairs.

@jackbizzell7136

Жыл бұрын

He's a big fella about to do a nerve racking pitch which is broadcast on national telly with a clear nervous demeanour to him. Even if he wasn't a hefty lad I'd wager he'd be struggling regardless.

People often forget personality and the character of a businessman also plays a big part in whether someone should receive and investment or not. The way he says “My turn” in a confrontational, Almost condescending manner, speaks volumes.

@crusherven

9 ай бұрын

Eh, Theo or whoever it was had it coming. He made such a big deal about not wanting to be interrupted, or not wanting the sales guy to just start talking, he was in a lose-lose situation.

@VladmirPoopN

5 ай бұрын

You know he left and gossiped that it was the Dragons who were arrogant and egotistical

@JC-bh6gu

3 ай бұрын

to be fair they often are@@VladmirPoopN

"built a business from multi level marketing" I mean the proposal already sounded terrible, but then he said that at the end.... NOPE

@jasoncreighton5140

Жыл бұрын

"built a business from multi level marketing" - MLM, Which the FBI warns you not to get involved with

@JewTube001

Жыл бұрын

@@jasoncreighton5140 FBI? the government should just ban it outright instead of LE suggesting you don't join it.

That dude breathing heavy just standing there.

1:00. Had to smile when the first dude introduced his partner like he was Warren Buffett while said partner stood there actually glowing. It didn't get better

@scienceevolves4417

Жыл бұрын

I love how smug and enigmatic gila stranda looked in the beginning, who would have thought he would turn into that combative character 😅

@TheB920

5 ай бұрын

Right?! 😂

@_LilacRoses

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Multi level marketing? So the guy ran a pyramid scheme lmao.

@jasoncreighton5140

Жыл бұрын

Laughable ! He is a twit

Their business went belly up in Dec '21 for those wondering how it went (according to company house) I guess it was because of bad people.

@usernameloading4695

Жыл бұрын

That Gil fella died in 2018

@jdjd9935

10 ай бұрын

​@@usernameloading4695dragons had him whacked

@rgw5991

9 ай бұрын

@@usernameloading4695 good

@rodhuy01

4 ай бұрын

Gil died in 2018. seemed to be involved in a Mgmt Training co he setup in Germany for yrs beforehand

@laganas2008

2 ай бұрын

​@@jdjd9935Peter was a made guy and Richard wasn't.

The realtor business model in the USA these two scam artists describe is absolutely the worst. I know from first hand experience.

@lononjdl

Жыл бұрын

yooo, wake up, tell us how it differs pls :)

@mikema4896

10 ай бұрын

In USA realtors charge 6% of the value of your house. So 60,000 for 1,000,000 house.

@kylewilson2819

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@mikema4896Exactly. So the sale of a single house can set you up for a whole year basically. And sell enough houses, and you’re set for life. The problem with the model presented was that it provided a truly paltry amount of commission, was going into a stagnant market, and was culturally insensitive to consumers and potential employees.

No shocker that the only strategy the MLM guy knows is trying to talk over people and be a generally rude person.

1:00 Guys I think you all underestimate who you're talking about, this is THE Gil Ostrander. Show some respect.

peter's analysis, in such a short time, is really impressive.

@33LB

7 ай бұрын

keep in mind this is TV. they likely know what the business is before its pitched, and there are likely to be other experts involved who do a lot of the analysis and come up with the questions beforehand.

@brandonbishop8262

6 ай бұрын

Peter is a genius that’s why

@user-sf7kl9uh7k

6 ай бұрын

Indeed, they were cained like dogs

@thesnackbandit

6 ай бұрын

This is edited down from probably 45 minutes of raw footage. Not saying it isn’t impressive, but do not be misled.

@96bmb

5 ай бұрын

@@thesnackbandit Heard on a pod with one of the dragons that its about 1,5-3h per pitch with breaks and recounting and fact checking etc etc. They do 2-3 pitches per day apparently.

“I failed at other pyramid schemes, so I joined a different one.” Ladies and gents, to your right you’ll see a scammer and to your left you’ll see his mark.

Would have liked to see their remarks after this disastrous pitch. Old boy sure doesn’t like being questioned !!

@g9isaac

Жыл бұрын

There's probably a reason why they didn't show them!

@JazzyMarineVet

Жыл бұрын

He is a scammer and he got called out on national TV about their scams, so I guess it hurt his pride his feelings

@cambs0181

Жыл бұрын

He's a very private man. Spendiing all those years hiding his secret recipe for his fried chicken has done that to him.

@Lunchladydoyle

Жыл бұрын

@@cambs0181 😂😂😂😂

@Hartley_Hare

10 ай бұрын

@@cambs0181 Genius.

I really loved Hilary. She was sharp and to the point. But she was always fair and wise

@rodhoek1046

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@kevindunlap5525

Жыл бұрын

RIP to a real gem.

@mizhomesiq

Жыл бұрын

I really missed her in the Den. RIP to a great entrepreneur.

@CabbageYe

Жыл бұрын

She looks like a villain

@whysoserious9746

Жыл бұрын

@@CabbageYe He*

Dishonest people are always on the defence and get rude when their corruption is exposed.

Richard: "I was involved in multi-level marketing..." Me: "I'm out!"

Did anyone else think 'Gil Ostrander' was a one word first name, like some badass medieval knight

@Maynards_so_blue

3 ай бұрын

Or a villian

@jacksseawheeze2911

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I did 😂

@robrobroblol

Ай бұрын

Me too. 😂

The way these dragons dealt with potential conflict with these odious characters, by giving it silence and space, was an absolute masterclass in letting a fool dig his own grave. Bravo all round!

I didn't understand what they were offering, but if I were a dragon I would have struggled to work with the two people.

0:49 how do you turn up for an investment pitch with a f***ing typo 🤦‍♂️

When [he] interrupted and said “ok well neither was I but go ahead” followed by “my turn”, I truly thought he was going to get destroyed by the dragons. Instead I learned a valuable lesson-never give people a taste of their own medicine...because they already know what it tastes like. The composure of the dragons, and the humility within their responses; they didn’t need to rip him apart because they destroyed him with intelligence, eloquence and manner. Their humbleness is truly inspiring. I guess that’s how they became dragons in the first place...

@adekoyaaweda9346

Жыл бұрын

That's why I watch the show.

@vikvegas8593

Жыл бұрын

Just because they are rich they want to insult people. Same with Gordon Ramsay. Why shouldn't someone be rude to them? If I meet you and you are rude to me, then why shouldn't I be rude in return?

@chrislaw4189

Жыл бұрын

@@vikvegas8593 Absolutely not. Two wrongs don't make a right

@swisspunker94

Жыл бұрын

in this instance they did pretty well. But make no mistake, there are plenty of moments where all the dragons (especially peter and theo) behaved very poorly

@pangaea5258

Жыл бұрын

I agree, but the dragons really don’t always do that. This was somewhat of an exception.

0:14 My brain: "plos" Also my brain: "Wait a minute, that can't be "plos", dude." My brain (again): "PLOS"

Commission only jobs always brought out the worst behaviour in the worst people. That’s why in the USA they still exist and here they don’t

Жыл бұрын

And its not an stable job either

@millys4368

Жыл бұрын

Are car salesman in Europe salary?

@hotshower695

Жыл бұрын

@@millys4368 yes

@dabeveryday9991

Жыл бұрын

they do exist here

@chambersstreetproductions

Жыл бұрын

So why are British ppl still terrible?

RIP Hillary 🙏 ❤️‍🔥

@darcyreece940

Жыл бұрын

God bless her soul ❤️

@HESHRocketWarhead

Жыл бұрын

I sense that I've missed an important bit of news somewhere.

@darcyreece940

Жыл бұрын

@@HESHRocketWarhead Oh hun she sadly passed on the 11th of June in her home in Morocco 2022

@HESHRocketWarhead

Жыл бұрын

@@darcyreece940 Bitch'm! Natural causes?

@ghs7714

Жыл бұрын

Rip Duncan xo

RIP Hilary , my fav Dragon 🕊️

@user-lx3oi6xy2e

Жыл бұрын

And Gil 😢

@richard7645

8 ай бұрын

She can't take it with her

@tedcrilly46

3 ай бұрын

T shaped coffin.

I wouldn't trust either of them to sell a house for me tbh.

My man was really fighting for this life during that pitch

@feonor26

7 ай бұрын

He dug his own grave and jumped in it with both feet 😂

I love how he is called Dunkan Valentine in the video description

Duncan's typical response is , "I dont understand the product, i dont get the product and i dont get you - im out"

@hiimjustin8826

Жыл бұрын

Selling houses? Why those are just a couple pieces of wood with a door handle strapped to the front. I'm oot

@kevinprior3549

8 ай бұрын

He's often quick

What a combative little gnome. Did he think he was there to fight real dragons?

@leonardu6094

Жыл бұрын

LMFAOO0

@PixxieAlexx

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant description, combative little gnome hahahaha

@SlinkiestTortoise23

Жыл бұрын

This comment deserves thousands of likes!!!

@happyuk06

Жыл бұрын

Not my perception. I think the Dragons were afraid that he knew more about real estate than they did.

@Muddy283

Жыл бұрын

@@happyuk06 No. He was just plain rude (4:14-4:42 and 5:28-6:22). That is what they didn't like. Impossible to do business with a gentleman like that.

I was a business reporter and when I'd interview people like this, the first tell was always defensiveness and indiignation in response to an incisive question.

I always love the banter between Theo and Peter

Something about Hilary that I always liked. There has been no dragon before or since like her, complete one off. I miss her on the show.

@amac203

Жыл бұрын

may she rest in peace

@hannahcorinne5388

Жыл бұрын

Peace 🤦‍♀️ if you’re gonna wish someone farewell have the respect to spell it right at least. Piece sounds like she was dismembered…

@amac203

Жыл бұрын

@@hannahcorinne5388 whoops

@kevindunlap5525

Жыл бұрын

@@hannahcorinne5388 It's 2023. Last two Gens couldn't care less.

@tobymacdonald5893

Жыл бұрын

@@kevindunlap5525 the deadbeat boomers have arrived!

I love Hilary short and straight to the point ❤

@amac203

Жыл бұрын

rip

@kevindunlap5525

Жыл бұрын

She had more integrity than most all of the DenSharks. RIP good lady.

@jonathanbirch2022

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know she died, 65 is young these days, rip

@toffeelatte6042

Жыл бұрын

She was a great addition to the Den, RIP.

@badrrharri

Жыл бұрын

She's dead now

John Hammond has really fallen from grace ever since his island burned down.

@elloowu6293

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't he dead before that happened?

@seanjosephhayes

Жыл бұрын

Spared no expense!

@trequor

10 ай бұрын

​@@elloowu6293That's what the government WANTS you to think

@1:18 the sign says "counrty".

@mauharley

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@JewTube001

Жыл бұрын

wow. would have been funny if the dragons brought it up.

@jonathanbirch2022

Жыл бұрын

“Cunty”

Very argumentative little guy. Makes for good entertainment though.

First show I ever watched and didn't understand what was on offer. Either way, these guys were combative than convincing.

@philbecker4676

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I didn't get it either.

@poeterritory

5 ай бұрын

I'm not sure, but I think he was offering them a ham sandwich.

Bad idea to anger people who can give you lots of money.

You could see the alarm bells ringing in Peter Jones' head from the first minute they mentioned 'straight commission model' and 'active sales force'.

3:36 the slow zoom with the music after Peter’s comment, hahah. I can’t stop replaying it

“Pilots crash planes, technical faults only account for 1% of aviation accidents.” Spontaneous bullish!t at its best.

@armchairgeneralissimo

Жыл бұрын

Yep he was making up statistics pilot error accounts for about 53% of aviation accidents. Human error which includes pilots, mechanics and ATC is responsible for 80% of aviation accidents.

@davidjames579

Жыл бұрын

100% of Statistics are made up on the spot.

He sounds like he was about to drop dead while delivering his pitch

imagine asking for that much money from someone then being rude to them about it

“I was involved in multi level marketing” ah, so you were a professional scammer?

That was quite uncomfortable. I was half expecting Theo to get up and slap him about a bit.

10:35 I'd love to know where he got the "pilot error" stat. I'm not going to look it up, but I watch enough Mentour Pilot videos to know that planes often present the pilot with issues that the pilot is forced to resolve, not the other way around.

@feonor26

7 ай бұрын

True, but a lot of accidents also happens because of human error. I saw one episode where the guy who refilled the fuel on the airplane confused metric and imperial measuring system. Luckily the pilot managed to glide the airplane to an airport without engines. Another accident that ended up fatal, the pilots misunderstood the numbers on the flight plan leading them to fly half the journey in the wrong direction which ended with them going empty on fuel in the middle of nowhere and crash.

Debara: “I don’t like the way your wig is sewed in, & for that reason I’m out.”

@ayannacowie3052

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣💀

It's so convoluted I need a drink after listening to these two. Also Gil talks! Who would've thought!

What about poor Peter Jones? Love that bit from Theo

10:27 Today i learned that airplanes are the perfect machine: they have never suffered ANY mechanical issues in their 100+ year history and are impervious to outside forces like weather. Incredible. The more you know.

Those 2 felt like a bit from a show in an alternate universe, like Pinky and the Brain

@Partyanimal1066

6 ай бұрын

No….pinky and perky.

At those sorts of figures the sales force would have to sell a few places a day to just wash their faces in terms of a salary

"30 guys doing that everyday" ... Except that wouldn't happen. Estate agent offices boast about selling a couple hundred houses a year in their extremely small territories.

Gil looks like he should be bilking his congregation out of millions of dollars. And Richard sounds so nervous that he's about to be turned down by his potential prom date.

10:09 the absolute highlight. Dying.

Please someone get this guy some oxygen ASAP I couldn't help but be extremely worried about him the entire pitch!!!!!!

Did anyone else notice the spelling cockup on the P Jones sign? Town and Counrty

The pitch couldnt have gone worse if they put up red flags instead of sales boards.

A weasel and a fox walk into the Dragon's Den - it goes about how you'd expect. That guy couldn't convince me water was wet if I doubted it for a second, so I don't know how he managed to run MLM in any capacity.

Touker would have been interested if these estate agents were listing prime London office spaces instead

@MrZenzio

Жыл бұрын

Too true.

@davidjames579

Жыл бұрын

No, they'd be competition.

Realtors / Estate Agents in a nutshell right there 😂

6:24 why is this sooooo funny haha the way he keeps looking at him in shock like he is saying: how dare you? lol

Peter Jones made it very clear the reasons why it would not work.

By the sound of the first man's lungs, he won't be around long enough to seal any deal.

These video chapters are hilarious!

Nah one the guys was speaking breath language 😂 man was scared

I'm sure I heard Jenny's voice in the background saying "Don't come knocking on my door. I'm out!"

No, if a plane fails because of a mechanical problem it is the mechanics (or maybe the parts manufacturers) fault.

@machtnichtsseimann

Жыл бұрын

He would say that's more of human error.

@Questionable_creations

Жыл бұрын

@@machtnichtsseimann true, but either way not the pilots fault

@machtnichtsseimann

Жыл бұрын

@@Questionable_creations - Splitting hairs.

@SuigaRou

Жыл бұрын

@@machtnichtsseimann It's not splitting hairs when the guy literally said "pilots crash airplanes". Calling it out is valid.

@machtnichtsseimann

Жыл бұрын

@@SuigaRou - It's splitting hairs over to what infinitesimal degree we are now dissecting where "human error" is at play. Focus on Col. Sanders' mindset / analogy and you'll get what my point was. Unless you want to get lost in the weeds on distracting minutiae.

The silence @4:56 lol. They're all like, 'You messed up'

Okg that first guy could hardly talk with being out of breath climbing those stairs 😂

I didn't think they were hugely rude, they're just the sort of people who stop you at the supermarket and badger you into signing on with some dodgy energy company.

@EsteemedReptile

10 ай бұрын

That is hugely rude.

@jackbizzell7136

8 ай бұрын

Long hand for "they're not hugely rude just mid tier rude"

"I used to sell snakeoil then i started a vitamin company which went bankrupt. Anyhow would you like invest in my new vitamin company?"

They did not stay "remarkably composed" XD

Unless you’re already rich and famous, being obnoxious usually doesn’t get you very far in life .. 🤷‍♀️

I think the title is a little misleading. Gil Ostrander is very rude and arrogant, but his business partner Richard Williams is modest and forthcoming, and he never interrupts the Dragons or forces his opinions on them.

@TheDudeDiary

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, Richard was modest….he also admitted he made his money pulling off a pyramid scheme but yeah, at least he never interrupted anyone.

@QUANTUMJOKER

10 ай бұрын

@@TheDudeDiary Yes, pyramid schemes are shady and unscrupulous, but my statement is still accurate. Gil is rude to the Dragons, but Richard is not.

The multi-level guy was in a diet scheme and it failed miserably when he tried to sell it

Blooming cheek! My dad was an airline pilot and didn’t think like this

@:20 seconds "Counrty" on sign...Those VERY cheap signs and the TYPO told me all I needed to know about this duo!

What did they need the money for? The business that they had envisioned could be built by bootstrapping the business.

To be fair I think their sign is very common looks just like any real estate sign hanging in dodgy areas for ages 😁

@wintermute8315

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They're not realtors, and they're not actual real estate signs, genius.

@kevindunlap5525

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And not one person has caught the egregious spelling error.

@awhisperinthewind4253

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@@kevindunlap5525 yup, glaring, it's what we up here in Scotland call a cow, totally distracted me from the pitch

Peter and Theo both demonstrated cross exam skills that would put some KCs to shame in this one.

If I close my eyes I can hear David Attenborough sell me a property pitch

Rude Property Entrepreneurs is our new band name

Gil reminds me of one of the killers in Columbo....too clever for his own good but you know he's going to get found out in the end

Worked in Australia for a zillion years in a similar business model

I thought that was Colonel Sanders there for a minute. Duncan Pantomime CHICKENED OUT yet again.

Pretty sure Gil passed away in 2018. RIP Colonel Sanders secret twin.