I wish I had put the thermal pad information into the video. I measured it as follows: 1.0 mm for the memory 1.5 mm for the capacitors 2.5 mm for the voltage regulators 3.0 mm for the backplate I plan on including the thermal pad information in all the future videos. Thank you again. 🙏

@jemborg

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for that, good to know.

@pf100andahalf

2 ай бұрын

Great info.

@wxng14

Ай бұрын

are they the same size for the rtx 4070ti ?

@cilismoniker7322

8 күн бұрын

Hate to ask here, but have you ever given thermal putty a try? (not the gooey kind. The "magic sand" consistency kind. )

@pf100andahalf

8 күн бұрын

@@cilismoniker7322 "Magic sand" kind? I thought I'd seen everything but I've never heard of that. I've only ever heard of the gooey kind. Got any more info?

For further Teardown (including Deshroud and Fan removal), click on link below: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Z8zLV_pMa-oNY.html

@mintymus

10 ай бұрын

Why go through all this work without showing the thermal pad configuration? You miss one of the most important parts.

I have this card, and even though it's considered as the most "basic" of the AIB partner model list. I don't regret getting it because versus the more expensive AIB models your only getting a neglible 1-3% difference gain even if overclocked. On the other hand the difference in power consumption when overclocking is definitely not worth the electricity bill just to get an extra few frames. The cooling on the PNY is better on the FE model with the same performance. My opinion is if you want to save money and get a 4090 as close to msrp if you can't find a FE and not planning to overclock, then I would recommend this one. I also seen based off from other people's experience that this model doesn't have as much coil whine as the other AIB models too. For my experience I can vouch for this card as people seem to forget PNY has been around for a while and is very underrated compared to the other more popular brands. Everything else is just bragging rights, all I care about is how it performs, its thermals, and minimal coil whine issues. At the end of the day it's your gaming experience that matters, its still a freakin rtx 4090 which last I checked is destroying all the other cards out there on the market right now.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment🙏 Absolutely 100% agree. First of all, congrats on your 4090 and your further ascension. It's an unreal card. And the testing does suggest that these cards are already pushed to their limits already past diminishing returns at stock. There isn't really isn't much more performance to squeeze out of the cards. In fact, it seems like if you tune it down and lower the power, you're getting nearly the same performance with a noticeable drop in power usage. So, yea, this generation appears to be significantly more efficient than the 3090/3090Ti and so the coolers are more than adequate across the board. PNY is a long-lived (40 years) USA-based company (NJ, USA) and they make QUADRO cards for NVIDIA. They don't seem to spend money on consumer GPU advertising and simply take the reference design from NVIDIA and pump out a "basic" card by leveraging their QUADRO expertise/engineering. I don't have the whole story, but that is how I currently understand it. Thanks again for commenting!

Fantastic teardown of the 4090 👍👍 My PNY Rtx 4090 is now 6 months old. Cool and quiet, Zero coil whine in my experience . My old card was a Gtx 1070 strix oc and i loved it but she starts to show it's age . Specially in starfield 😅

@vectornetwork

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 Congrats on your ascension with the 4090. It is tops all around in all areas. Enjoy my friend

@cemsengul16

7 ай бұрын

I upgraded from a rig with 780 TI and a 4770K. I absolutely love my PNY 4090.

Yesss thank you! This is the info I wanted since release!

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and I appreciate your comment. 🙏

@Djk0t

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork what type are the vrm, 50a?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I will try to research and have that type of information for future Teardowns.

Super underrated brand with one of the longest warranty

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏 Absolutely. PNY is based in New Jersey, USA. Been there for like 40 years. They don't really do consumer marketing in the GPU space. But they do make QUADRO cards for NVIDIA. So, I imagine that they simply leverage that know-how and existing operations to make some consumer-based cards. I found them to be my go-to for reference cards, but I do strive to show a variety of brands on this channel. If not simply just to expand the collection knowledge on these cards. Thanks again for your comment!

Thanks for the teardown, hadn't seen this one yet

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and I appreciate your comment. 🙌

Do you need anything special if you get the 4090 pny OC? Like, do you need a different component. I don’t really know that much about it and I can get the OC on MSRP but I am not sure what it means.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. 🙏 You do need to ensure that the card will fit in your case and that your PSU has 3 individual 8-pin PCIe power cables that will be plugged into the provided power adapter. As for the OC version, there is nothing you need to do different than the regular version. OC at MSRP means you are getting the overclocked version at the manufacturer's suggested retail price of $1629. The non-OC version is $1599. I don't think there is any hardware difference between the models. The main difference is that the OC model will have a software factory overclock by adding some MHz to the core clock. This may increase performance by 1-2%. Since there is no hardware difference, it is possible to achieve an OC clock simply by using MSI afterburner and adding those MHz to your card yourself. PNY deserves credit because their OC model is only $30 more. Asus TUF OC model is $200 more and their Strix OC model is $50 more. Hope that helps.

Bought one in December running it in conjunction with a 13600K on a Z790 with C14 DDR4...runs amazing. Idle 30c gaming 60-65c. Cyber punk 4K on psycho/ultra runs butter smooth. Was super lucky and got mine from Best Buy at retail.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment🙏 Right on, sounds like its running better than expected. Congrats on your further ascension 🙌

@thehahahaha88

Жыл бұрын

What is the card idle wattage?

@cemsengul16

7 ай бұрын

​@@thehahahaha88Super low like 10 watts. This GPU scales linearly unlike the 3090.

Very high quality videos, very informative and not 10 hours long... like some channels cough cough GN. Sub'd

@vectornetwork

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏 I appreciate the words and the sub! I am glad you find the videos high quality and informative. My plan is to provide the viewer an up close view of all the different types of water cooling parts, from low to high end. See the parts, see the build. I cover my hands so the focus is on the parts themselves and I try to strike a balance for the narration. Since the viewer has decided to view some of my video (and the viewer has to sometimes watch an ad first) I don't want to waste their time. No branded intro in the beginning. Just the content. Explain what the video will be about and then right into it. If someone is still watching about 2/3s way through, I throw on a 2 second splash screen with my logo and then back into the content. I want to take the mystery and mystique out of water cooling and try to just show and explain things as plainly as I can, which I am constantly learning and plan to share what I learn along the way, thanks again for watching!

Very nice teardown video! I'm considering this card since it is one that would fit horizontaly in my case. I currently have a 3090 Suprim X that looks and feels super premium but at the end of the day all cards have more or less the same perfs so going for the "cheapest" tier of 4090 seems reasonable. For gaming at 4K/120 (with DLSS when possible) the 3090 is always at max TDP of 450W. With the raw power of the 4090 I think I could even undervolt and run much lower W.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 Yes, that is a reasonable approach. Your note about undervolting is on point as I am right in the middle of a 4090 FE thermals and teardown video. I haven't finalized the charts, but undervolting or simply lowering the power target is certainly something to consider.

Thanks for the video. May i ask you if vrm cooling is done with additional plate here or is it soldered directly to main radiator?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I'm not exactly sure what soldered directly to the main radiator entails, so I think it's done with an additional plate. Hope that helps.

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How's the quality of the PCB and components ?

Hello everybody. Does anyone know if the model PNY GeForce RTX™ 4090 XLR8 Gaming UPRISING EPIC-X RGB (SKU: VCG409024TFXMPB) also have as PCB design reference?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I believe it would also be a reference PCB. I do not know for sure since I never tore down that version, but it would make more sense to me that they simply changed the cooler design and tweak the core and memory clocks rather than change the PCB (and cooler) designs.

Thank you for the video! Do you know if this board using same board as Graphics Card PNY Geforce RTX 4090 Verto Triple Fan?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏I looked at the description of the graphics card you gave it looks like the same? So, yes, I would think so.

How do you like the pny 4090? Just ordered the card and am not entirely sure about it.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 It's met my expectations and more. What card do you currently use? Comparing the 4090 to any other card, it will perform as advertised. It's good. Beyond good. Great even. Comparing the PNY 4090 to other AIB 4090s (Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Inno3D, Palit, Galax, etc) its nearly the same to me. The PNY has a stock cooler that is perfectly in-line with the other manufacturer's base models and its main pro/feature to me is that it has a reference PCB that allows me a slightly greater range of choices for water blocks. Comparing the PNY 4090 the 4090 Founders Edition, well, then you would see the FE model's stock cooler is simply a different level. I am currently capturing all the footage for the next video, which will be the 4090 Founders thermals, underclocking, overclocking, teardown episode and I have to say, the stock cooler is much nicer than anything I have seen from the other partners and even nicer than the 3080 and 3090 coolers, which I have right next to it. So, yea. With a PNY 4090, you will be happy and blown away. Unless you specifically wanted a 4090 founders. Hope that helps.

@TheMrKlassy

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork I paid a bit over msrp for 4090 pny as it's first one that was available after awhile of searching. PNY seems to have excellent us based customer support. They got back to me quickly and confirmed that ANT Online was an authorized reseller and I would keep the warranty. However some 4090's have been dropping on bestbuy for msrp, so I may switch to one of those if I can get one. Just heard the pny pcb is kind of bad.

Just got mine today and absolutely in love ❤️ 😍

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Congrats and enjoy! 🙌 Performance has been unreal

@Adam-bz9iw

Жыл бұрын

Got mine yesterday too!

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@Adam-bz9iw ha ha ha ha, congrats and the hype train is real 👏

@MrLextronic

Жыл бұрын

It's a powerhouse coming from a rtx 3060 🫠🫠

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@MrLextronic Woa, oh yea, melting is the right word. From a 3060, you're melting frames now. Enjoy your ascension 👏

Hi, do you know if this version non OC comes with a vapor chamber system ?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your question 🙏 Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is the OC version is achieved by a simple factory software/bios overclock. So, the hardware would be completely unchanged. So, I would expect the non-OC version to also have the vapor chamber. Hope that helps.

@sight8400

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork I've found the info, there is another version full black of the Verto, no RGB, no OC and thiner cooler. They highlight the Vapor chamber on the PNY website. Same for the Verto OC RGB. As the website dont advertise about the the Verto No OC RGB, I think they have both vopor chamber :)

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@sight8400 Wow, thanks for providing that info 🙏 I didn't realize they had a full black version with a thinner cooler. Vapor chambers appears to be the current feature that these partners are adding.

@sight8400

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork The MSI Gaming Trio don't have the Vapor chamber though

Anybody else struggling with the rub on the card? I can’t take control over it with the velocityx software.

I just got this model of card yesterday and its doing very well and constant boosting to 2760Mhz+ instead of the stated 2520Mhz 😎. Also nice repurposing of a magnet that used to be in an hdd for holding the screws in the teardown video 👍

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 Did you use afterburner? Were you able to lift the power target? I used to collect the screws in various cups but the magnets work better and they are strong 👌

@ewleverard

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork I just did a DDU driver uninstall before installing the 4090. No boosts set in afterburner every setting as stock. Cannot lift power limit above 100% so no change there. I did plug in all 4 adapter connectors and the card sits 99% of the time at 2760Mhz and never got to 70c even when benchmarking in any 3DMark test even Port Royal just stayed high 60s max.

@FadiGamingRP

Жыл бұрын

@@ewleverard do you have a 3rd fan not working issue?

@ewleverard

Жыл бұрын

@@FadiGamingRP I did shine a torch up at the fans and can see all three spinning ok for me 👍

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 Good to know!

i have one, the 3rd fan never spins but even under stress it never goes over 75C. but im getting it replaced, i wanted to tear it down and see if i can fix the issue myself, but figured its only 14 days old, ill have it replaced.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 Were you able to try to force it to 100% speed in software and see if it ramps up? Otherwise, right to have it under repair/replaced rather than do it yourself. Hope it works out

@TheMrKlassy

Жыл бұрын

are you still having the issue with the third fan? what did PNY say?

How is the INNO3D ICHILL 4090? Is the pcb good quality?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 My experience has been with the PNY 4090. Yes, the INNO3D iChill 4090 also uses the reference PCB, but they can use different components to meet those specifications. The PNY 4090 reference PCB is actually about 1-inch longer than the INNO3D one where they added that length to accommodate that red header. My personal experience with PNY 4090 PCB and other PCBs have been positive. Hope that helps.

@cenkbora7129

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork well, would you recommend the INNO3D ICHILL 4090 model? in terms of quality performance?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

In short, yes. Longer, the INNO3D iChill 4090 one is the one that uses the Alphacool water block, right? If so, yea, the water block is Alphacool's newest version. They have upgraded all their blocks for the 40-series above what they had for the 30-series. The biggest difference to highlight is that its chrome now. It's not nickel anymore, its chrome-plated. The chrome should be stronger (but nickel was strong enough) but the chrome just shines. It shines. Yes, shining has nothing to do with temperatures. But it shines. As for the reference PCB. I think its completely fine for this generation. I have tested the PNY 4090 and the Founders 4090 and the ASUS TUF 4080 on this channel and they all overclocked and undervolted about the same. This generation is very efficient and they already juiced these boards all the way to nearly the max where diminishing returns already set in, there is no real reason to overclock or anything like that. You can really slap almost any 3 fan cooler on these boards and it'll run cool and quiet. With watercooling, even better, but not that air was bad for these 4090s. As for component quality discussions. These boards are all made to the specifications that nvidia put out for the reference design. It's a 4090. It'll run like a 4090. Will I expect it forever? I expect it to last all the way up to the warranty at the very least and if its runs good for 3-4 years, then it'll likely last a lot longer. Will I expect to overclock the INNO3D with good results? No, but I wouldn't even expect good results from any other 4090 really. Hope that helps.

From what I've found this is the smallest 4090 next to the Nvidia Reference model that will actually fit in all SFF Builds and what I've been looking for with a bit better cooling than the reference model.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. 🙏 Yes, you might be surprised at the compactness of the box. PNY is leveraging their workstation experience to produce these cards, so I wasn't surprised to see a smaller cooler than the rest. They really seem to focus on what will work without too much embellishment. By all means, it is still a large cooler, but just not as large as some of the other ones by other AIBs.

hi, many thanks for this, is it the XLR8 or the XLR8 "OC" version as we can currently appreciate a lack of VRM on your PCB do you think the OC version is fully populated ?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 My understanding is that the OC versions are factory overclocks. There is no change to the PCB. An OC can be achieved by loading up afterburner and manually increasing the clocks by the small amount to match the OC version.

@garretts431

Жыл бұрын

The oc version is pointless to get. Youre paying more for about 35mhz more.

@jemborg

4 ай бұрын

The bios for the overclocked version is available at their site.

Always wondering what separates the first tier brands and these brands, they are always on shelf in my area.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 The underlying card itself should have the same base performance. The AIB partners (Asus, MSI, gigabyte, etc) can choose to use the PCB layout provided by NVIDIA (called the Reference) or they can customize the design by making any modifications (NVIDIA uses a custom design and calls it the Founders Edition). Next, each partner will want to differentiate their products from each other to generate better sales, but also recognizing everything adds to the cost. So, they can allocate their resources on a variety of added features like: custom pcb design, larger cooler, more fans, more colors, more RGB, better heatsink, better backplate, more or better thermal pads, LCD screen, etc etc. For someone like myself that will buy new, buy used, sell a variety of cards throughout the year, branding will mean something different to me than if someone were to buy a card once every 5 years. Also, for consumers that intend on water cooling, it's the underlining PCB and the water block availability that matters more than the stock cooler. For example, for the 40-series launch, the only water block that would be available at launch for a reference PCB was from Alphacool. Next, I had to find a reference PCB. There wasn't any information at that time but I was nearly certain that PNY's card would have the reference design. I have used their 30-series cards in the past and have been pleasantly surprised by their quality (they don't spend a lot on consumer advertising from what I can tell). On further research, I found out that they're focused on the professional side selling to system builders and making Quadro cards. So, I felt completely comfortable pulling the trigger on the PNY 4090 and they have met expectations. Hope that helps 🙌

@whitedancer5866

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork Nice to know that, I too look at cooler and fan since I'm always using stock. Had a bad experience with Gigabyte 3090 where one of the fan broke, and the one after rma generated grinding sound when accelerating, not to mention they might have skimped on thermal pad quality as mine leaked oil. It all comes down to personal experience and preference I guess.

Many thanks for the video!! Do you know if this PCB would fit with the FE EK water block? Thanks.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. 🙏 NVIDIA's FE card is not the reference design. It is their own custom design. They also provide a reference design to their partners that they can use. Some partners use the reference, others will modify it. In short, the FE water block will not work with the Reference design. Hope that helps

I have the same screwdriver. It's cheap and works great, had it few years already

@vectornetwork

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏Right on brother! No complaints here.

My card has like white crust on the top part of the pcb ? Is this normal? It’s brand new

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 Hm, where on the PCB is the top? Is the PCB removed from the cooler? Does this white crust look like its stuck on the PCB or is it removable (with your finger)?

@willfarrell6083

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork well technically the bottom the side that touches the top of the gpu and it is stuck on there it’s almost like a film

Do you know if the PNY design allows for removal of the fan shroud without taking off the heat sink first? ty

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I wish I would have removed the fans for the video. Since then, I have done full disassembly of the cooler (4090 founders is the most recent one). I don't know for sure, but I have had more questions about this than normal, and looking at the cooler for the 3080 version, it does look like the fans can potentially be accessed without taking off the cooler first. In the future, I will do the teardown where I know for sure. Hope that helps.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

So, yes. The plastic shroud can be removed without having to remove the backplate. Removing the shroud leaves the fans still attached to the heatsink. The shroud houses the RGB and cable. This leaves the heatsink and 3 fans. The fans can be removed, but I haven't done so yet. I plan to make a video for this now. It will include the shroud removal, then fan removal and then maybe some footage of DIYing some better fans onto the heatsink. Oh yea, measurements too. Hope that helps.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

As requested, for further Teardown (including Deshroud and Fan removal), click on link below: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Z8zLV_pMa-oNY.html

Hey, I have exact same card, my 3rd fan don't spin. Could it be a faulty cable connection or something? Do you have any solution?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 In the future I plan to take the cooler shroud apart and have a closer look at the fans. For this card, I am not sure. If it was me, I would check first for some random debris that prevents it from spinning up. Next, I would check if the software I was using wasn't doing something odd to prevent the third fan from spinning. I believe all of these fans are daisy chained together so it fits 1 header, so it's odd for just 1 fan to not spin unless its an issue with that specific fan. If nothing works, then I would contact PNY for a potential RMA. It's not a big problem, but its not up to you to fix it either. It should just work. Hope that helps.

What is the thickness of this gpu without the fans + shroud I meant the thickness that concludes backplate + card + heatsink only

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I measured approximately 48/49mm for the backplate, (no card, but did not torque down the screws completely) and heatsink. With the fans (no shroud) its approximately 70mm. I have to double check the footage, but that's what I remember. I plan on having a video out about this sooner than later, since it seems a lot of people have similar questions. Hope that helps

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

As requested, for further Teardown (including Deshroud and Fan removal), click on link below: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Z8zLV_pMa-oNY.html

What are the maker/model of PWM controllers and DrMOSes used on that card?

it cost 1750usd in my country . do you think it is a good deal? I'm not sure about this brand

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 PNY does not do a lot of marketing to consumers, so it is understandable that you're not sure of the brand. They are an American-based company, started in 1985 in NJ. They do also make NVIDIA Quadro cards. The cards have met my expectations and I have been satisfied by the PNY 3080 and PNY 4090 cards I have purchased in the past. Hope that helps.

How is your PNY for coil whine? It is minimal or zero? and if minimal in what kind of situation and can it be heard over the closed PC case?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment🙏In my experience, coil whine has been hit or miss and I tend to only notice it on the open test bench. I actually attribute the coil whine to "feeling the power" flow through the card. Ha ha. I do not remember any significant coil whine from this card. Hope that helps.

Hi. Will you use the fans that you removed from the PCB? Would you mind if I buy them? I will pay for shipping and the fan in advance. I broke my right most fan on this card and I'm desperate. PNY doesn't sell them. Thank you ❤️

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 The cooler is already spoken for. I would encourage you to contact PNY directly through their warranty contact. It's a good thing to get used to. They don't sell these fans individually, but they will be required to fix your problem if you contact them and explain your issue. Hope that helps.

@omegacon4

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork Manufacturers aren't required to fix problems that were caused by the customer (as is the case with that commenter). If you read the comment clearly, he stated that he broke his fan.

I just bought a pny rtx 2060 12 vram for only 270 dollars do you recommend this brand cuz I don't know much about it? :)))

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment.🙏PNY is a company based in NJ, USA and have been in business for approx 30+ years. They make quadro cards for NVIDIA and do not do as much consumer advertising as their competitors in this space. Hope that helps

@wass996

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork I just bought it and it's a great card !! I'm playing God of war at ultra settings and the maximum temp is 76 or 75 it's a great card tbh but it has some Annoying whip but it's alright it's almost like the Asus one but cheaper and less temp +thank you !

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@wass996 Congrats on your ascension 🙌 mid seventies temps air cooled while enjoying a game based on your preferences .... perfecto.

@wass996

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork thank you brother :)) God bless you

My one complaint is the support bracket they sell with it is useless as it contacts the 2nd fan. Scared the shit out me when I turned it on. Turned it off quickly and removed the support bracket

@vectornetwork

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 That would scare me too ha ha. Thanks for watching and thanks for that tidbit of info.

@cemsengul16

7 ай бұрын

I never connected the support brace on mine because I have zero sag or wiggle.

@jemborg

4 ай бұрын

LOL. The only thing wrong with the support bracket is the instructions that came with it. Use the bracket on the _side_ of the motherboard not the middle! There it's 👍 The funny thing is that it offers much better weight support there too. 😂

Great video. Does this card have a vapor chamber ?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏 Not that I know of. I did not take it apart to see, but I did not expect this card to have a vapor chamber nor did I see any mention of it in the manufacturer information. It appears a vapor chamber may be present on higher-end cards, for example, I think one of the major differences between the 4090 Strix and the TUF is that the Strix has a vapor chamber.

@shakesbear8516

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the reply. This card was in stock today and you are the only one with the review.

@royl3723

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the 4090 has a vapor chamber. The 4080 version does not.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

I stand corrected, thanks for your comment 🙏

@jemborg

4 ай бұрын

This beauty has a vapour chamber alright.

2:18. damn for a machine, putting on these smd on the back of the gpu, there very canted

Why a waterblock?The card runs cool as is I went from an Evga 3080ti ftw3 ultra with a hybrid kit on it to a PNY 4090 and runs cool and quite but you can't adjust the power limit which sucks so why water cool it?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏I completely agree that a water block is not required. Having tested a few of these cards now and they are efficient and the triple fan coolers are enough to run quietly and still cool effectively. The 4090 really is a flagship. As for the reason for a water block. Well, more things to tinker with for me and I also like the different visual options. I have always found water coursing through metallic surfaces that is visible through clear acrylic to be interesting to look at and then combine it with my favorite pastime (computers/PCs), like peanut butter and ... you know. Hope that helps

@timtoomuch

Жыл бұрын

@Vector Network awesome hope it all goes well for you

did you stress test the card already? how are the temps? thank you!

@smiIingman

Жыл бұрын

Hey, for what it's worth. I ran timespy on this card and it is insanely good (currently at 1440p but i plan to go 4k soon). Never went above 65, dead silent and 0 coil whine. I was honestly surprised it matched the cooling preformance of my previous 3080 TUF

@ernswellrodz6839

Жыл бұрын

@@smiIingman Wow that is awesome! thank you!

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@Smiling Man Thank you for sharing 🙏 I was also pleasantly surprised at how the PNY 3080 card performed in relation to the other models. So much so that I didn't hesitate to go PNY for the 4090 with the reference board, knowing that the water blocks for the FE, strix/tuf, MSI, gigabyte models tend to come later. Congrats on your frames and if you go 4K, make sure to get something with legit HDR. For me, I noticed that it's the HDR/Ray tracing that adds to the immersion, rather than adding pixels.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏 Since I tore it down within minutes of receiving it, I didn't choose to test the card in its stock cooler. I just finished the custom loop for this card and will do footage today and hopefully a video soon after that and I'll see if I can include temps in the video or in the description. I am expecting good results. The loop has two of Heatkiller's 360-L rads with Phanteks T30s on one and Noctua A12-25s on the other. Rads should be enough to cool a 5800X3D and the 4090 without much fan noise. We shall see.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Okay so I got the loop done (video coming out in a few days). I ran Time Spy Extreme and the GPU maxed at 57C and the Hot Spot was 69.3C. I am running two Heatkiller 360-L radiators with 3x Phanteks T30 and 3x Lian Li SL Infinity and they averaged between 600-1200 rpm. Exceptional results and sort of mindblowing for the performance. Hope that helps!

Hello, can you tell me what the size of this pcb, thanks

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I will try to have that information for future Teardowns. Are you looking for length x width or something else? This PCB is slightly longer than the Inno3D reference model but fits the alphacool water block the same with a tiny strip of overhang. Hope that helps

Does anyone know the thermal pad thickness for this card

@vectornetwork

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I recognize my delay in response and I wish I had put the thermal pad information into the video. I just measured it. 1.0 mm for the memory 1.5 mm for the capacitors 2.5 mm for the voltage regulators 3.0 mm for the backplate I plan on including the thermal pad information in all the future videos. Thank you again.

this is vapor chamber?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏Yes, my understanding is that the stock cooler on the PNY 4090 does have a vapor chamber. Hope that helps.

I had to delete my previous comment because I found out I do have coil whine on my PNY 4090. There was a noise that was bothering me on my desktop and I thought it was my AIO pump but sadly it was my GPU.

Do you have pad thickness information?

@vectornetwork

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I recognize my delay in response and I wish I had put the thermal pad information into the video. I just measured it. 1.0 mm for the memory 1.5 mm for the capacitors 2.5 mm for the voltage regulators 3.0 mm for the backplate I plan on including the thermal pad information in all the future videos. Thank you again.

These videos would be more useful if you would disassemble the heatsink as well, see if it's deshroud friendly.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 and feedback. I think you are right. I wish I had deshrouded this one. I have since incorporated a full teardown, including disassembling the cooler in my latest video (4090 founders). I will do my best to do so for all future teardowns. Hope that helps.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@ryankemp4609 Hm, I'm at least more interested now. It takes some time to setup and capture footage. People seem to have the same question. What are people trying to do? Just using it as a passive heatsink in some SFF case? Or attach some other fans?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

So, yes. The plastic shroud can be removed without having to remove the backplate. Removing the shroud leaves the fans still attached to the heatsink. The shroud houses the RGB and cable. This leaves the heatsink and 3 fans. The fans can be removed, but I haven't done so yet. I plan to make a video for this now. It will include the shroud removal, then fan removal and then maybe some footage of DIYing some better fans onto the heatsink. Oh yea, measurements too. Hope that helps.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

As requested, for further Teardown (including Deshroud and Fan removal), click on link below: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Z8zLV_pMa-oNY.html

Which wire was for the RGB lighting?

@StarManProduction

Жыл бұрын

UPDATE: Just got this card. I can confirm that disconnecting the all black wire harness nearest to the 12VHPWR 16PIN connector ( shown at 1:32 in this video) is for the RGB. No need for RGB software to turn it off! Loving my non RGB blacked out build :) FYI: you can disconnect the RGB wire without having to disassemble the GPU

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@StarManProduction Thank you for your comment and contribution! 🙌 I did not have this information and I am glad you provided it. I am nearly done with the footage of the new test system so I can provide better data and when I do the teardowns/testing. In addition, I will try my best to provide information on each of the wires. Thank you again!

Do you happen to know how thick the thermal pads on this card is?

@vectornetwork

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I recognize my delay in response and I wish I had put the thermal pad information into the video. I just measured it. 1.0 mm for the memory 1.5 mm for the capacitors 2.5 mm for the voltage regulators 3.0 mm for the backplate I plan on including the thermal pad information in all the future videos. Thank you again.

@timtoomuch

8 ай бұрын

@vectornetwork thanks for the reply I appreciate it

Is this better than the 4090 founders addition

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your question 🙏 Thfis is the Reference design. The Founders Edition is NVIDIA's custom design. This generation's FE appears to be really good. It has higher end power stages and an exceptional cooler. I selected the PNY Reference 4090 because Alphacool had a watrerblock available at launch for reference PCBs. The cooler doesn't matter to me as much because I take it off anyways. The performance of the card has been exceptionally satisfying (moreso than the 30-series). Hope that helps.

@shashank1630

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork can you help me get the founders edition

01:32 Hi do you have the thermal pads sizes?

@vectornetwork

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I recognize my delay in response and I wish I had put the thermal pad information into the video. I just measured it. 1.0 mm for the memory 1.5 mm for the capacitors 2.5 mm for the voltage regulators 3.0 mm for the backplate I plan on including the thermal pad information in all the future videos. Thank you again.

phase control VRM??? only 17??

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 I will try to research and have that information for future Teardowns.

4080 please~

How does this compared with other models

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment.🙏Which models are you interested in comparing it to? PNY as a brand is based in NJ, USA and has been around approx. 30+ years. They make Quadro cards for NVIDIA and do not do as much consumer marketing as some of their competitors in this space. For the RTX 4090, the card itself is efficient to the point where cooling is less of an issue this generation. Hope that helps

to bad you didnt remove the fans etc from the cooler

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏 Hm, it didn't occur to me to do so since the last time I disassembled the fans from the shroud was the EVGA GTX 560ti. I'll consider it for the next teardown.

@DJJumpdancer

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork i would be intrested in the cooler design below the fans and shroud

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@DJJumpdancer So, yes. The plastic shroud can be removed without having to remove the backplate. Removing the shroud leaves the fans still attached to the heatsink. The shroud houses the RGB and cable. This leaves the heatsink and 3 fans. The fans can be removed, but I haven't done so yet. I plan to make a video for this now. It will include the shroud removal, then fan removal and then maybe some footage of DIYing some better fans onto the heatsink. Oh yea, measurements too. Hope that helps.

@DJJumpdancer

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork thx i am looking foward to it

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

As requested, for further Teardown (including Deshroud and Fan removal), click on link below: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Z8zLV_pMa-oNY.html

i see multiple tear downs on youtube and yet none of you even took the time to even show (let alone talk about) the memory thermal pads which was a huge issue with GA102 cards and i suspect will still be an issue with 4090s and 4080s... Thermal pad thickness plays a huge role to the bad memory temps and i was expecting to see AIBs using 0.5mm pads this time around for memory cooling... I've seen cards where they are clearly using 2mm+ pads and nobody is talking about it... Raising the contact plate 1.5mm on the memory area so 0.5mm pads can be used would cost what in copper? Like 1$ more? Shame...

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment. 🙏 It didn't occur to me to discuss/show the stock thermal pads, but in retrospect, that can be good information. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the exact thickness, as they get squished during the process. Since you asked about it, I took out the stock cooler and undid the backplate and checked out the thermal pads. On the coldplate, it looks like just 1mm pads around the GPU. There are two 2mm pads on the part near the heat pipes, where its recessed. I am not sure if that is covering the capacitors or something else. The pads right next to it (up higher) are only 1mm. The pads on the backplate are 2mm. There are only 4 tiny pads on the backplate, which looks like spacers more than anything. I think since there are no memory modules on the backside (twelve 2GB ones on the front), there isn't much on the backside that needs to the cooling from the backplate. Keep in mind, when I say 1mm, it could be 1.5mm and when I say 2mm, it could be 2.5mm or more. I am eyeballing it, but one is clearly thicker than the other. Hope that helps.

@dukeofdream

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork I was talking about the pads around the die that make contact with the memory chips 😅 The ones on the backplate aren't doing much anyways... By the way the memory modules being in front doesn't make it a non-issue... The memory on my FTW3 Hybrid 3080ti would get up to 90C even though it had no memory chips in the back of the card... Micron may state that these temps are within spec but regardless of what they say, a chip working at 90c constantly is not a good thing... Especially if there's a simple way around it like we see with the copper mod done on 3080s and 3080tis... Manufacturers could raise the coldplate just a tiny bit around the memory modules and use thermal paste directly like the copper mod is doing or at least raise it less and use 0.5mm pads that have far superior thermal transfer capabilities... This would cost like 1$ worth of copper more? Even waterblock manufacturers are doing this and only very few high-end ones come with 0.5mm pads for memory cooling, while most of them are using 1mm to 2mm... This was not an issue before but GDDR6X is VERY hot and it needs better cooling... Again i'm disappointed seeing that AIBs didn't solve this issue with the 40 series... Such a shame... But anyways thank you for taking the time to do the measurements, i really appreciate it :)

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@dukeofdream Ah, got it. Those pads were the thinner ones. I would say 1mm. 👍 Oh yea, I didn't imply that the memory chips being on the front wouldn't be an issue for cooling, moreso that there aren't any memory chips on the back, so the lack of pads on the back isn't an issue. True, the memory can significantly exceed the temps of the processor. I am still learning more about how the coldplate works, so I don't have much to add about that, but I am glad for your contribution. I was used to the 3090, where half the memory was on the back. I was pleasantly surprised to see that all the chips were in the front on the 4090 (I think they did the same with the 3090 ti), so that was something I was interested in pointing out.

@dukeofdream

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork True, the chips on the back of the card thing was a very bad decision in my opinion...

@eplugplay8409

Жыл бұрын

@@dukeofdream What does this mean? Memory modules will fail?

The PCB looks way junkeir than the FE model

@gordonyz4

Жыл бұрын

Missing many power phases, forget about upping power slider

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 It goes without saying, the FE PCB is a beaut, the compactness and the shark fin 👌

@Deernailt

Жыл бұрын

I ended up getting 4090 gigabyte gaming OC instead of PNY the PCB gigabyte look fine

@malazan6004

Жыл бұрын

​@@Deernailtthey all basically peform the same by the way

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@Deernailt Thanks for your comment 🙏 Congrats on your Gigabyte 4090 and your further ascension. I am sure you are happy with it. It is a legit powerhouse. 👏

were here for the temp and there is nothing.😒

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏I ran Time Spy Extreme and the GPU maxed at 57C and the Hot Spot was 69.3C. I am running two Heatkiller 360-L radiators with 3x Phanteks T30 and 3x Lian Li SL Infinity and they averaged between 600-1200 rpm. Will have a build video out next. Hope that helps!

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

PC build video is up and temps ended up better than what I reported earlier. Same test, 36C GPU 47C Hot Spot.

This has to be one of worst 4090 cards out there, 700A vs FE is 1400A

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 The FE does have a more robust VRM design. Although, I do think this PNY is also a good card. My most recent video is of the 4090 Founders Edition, which includes thermals and a teardown, so I do hope you enjoy watching.

Only 14 gpu power stages, the entry level 4090's this gen have been disappointing.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏 I am not as well versed on this card's power stages. Can you help elaborate?

@lokii3771

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork they cheaped out in the power stages which impacts the stability and life of the card. it has less power stages than the FE pretty much it might die faster and be unstable at high load and clock speed

@T.R.A.N.C.E

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork Only the FE, Asus and MSI using 70 amp smart power stages on all cards. All other brands either using 50 or 55 amp 'dumb' power stages. And while the FE has 20 power stages, Asus and MSI have at least gone with 18x on their entry level cards unlike the the rest of the brands with 14. So for the entry level 4090's Asus clearly win, MSI comes second. It's not a huge deal if you don't want to OC the AD102 to its limit or don't care about quality? Smart power stages will run the card at ~20-30w less than the 'dumb' ones due to efficiency, equating to a few degrees lower temps/ more turbo boost, and they have over current protection. Quality components will also further decrease chances of catastrophic failure modes.

@xMaFiaKinGz

Жыл бұрын

but are the 14 stages enough to run the card, 14 stages at 50 amp is 500-600w at 0.9v.

@josuad6890

Жыл бұрын

@@T.R.A.N.C.E This is literally NVIDIA's reference design for a 4090... Kinda mindblowing how bad it is compared to the FE version.

I wonder what's the point of tearing down $3,000 GPU card for just saying what's in the spec and showing a picture of the front of the board which is available in many other places. I was looking for some insight why PNY card cost premium over competitors. Have found nothing so far, you guys had a shot for being first to investigate and you blew it.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment 🙏 The point is to put a water block on it, so it can be custom water cooled. The next video shows the installation. This results in a quieter and cooler operation. Hope that helps.

@steves.6649

Жыл бұрын

@@vectornetwork great plan, just next time mention you're actually planning to do it in 2nd video. Saying that "it can be used" in custom water block cooling system is not the same.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@steves.6649 Got it, makes sense, I'll keep that in mind, thank you and thanks for watching! 🙏

@eatscrayons4538

Жыл бұрын

It's not a 3000 dollar card it's a 1599.99 dollar card (which is about as cheap as a 4090 comes). It does not command a premium over it's competitors.

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@eatscrayons4538 True 🙌🙌🙌

Qual a medida dos thermalpads ?

WOW, that PCB looks like a cheap pile of crap.

One of my fans is not coming on…. Wtf?

@vectornetwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment 🙏 Hm, did you check for any blockage? Have you tried to gently spin it to start it up? Is the GPU on full load?

@jemborg

4 ай бұрын

If you use the GPU support, that's supplied with it, in the middle of the board, as pictured in their instructions, you will block the middle fan. Use the support on the side of the motherboard. 👍 The funny thing is that it offers much better support there too.

@mhsucio6830

4 ай бұрын

@@jemborg a little late but it was actually the single fan that died on me and I ordered one from some website and that fixed it. Since then I had a cablemod 90 that burned the card and it has been replaced with another PNY thats been going strong.

@jemborg

4 ай бұрын

@@mhsucio6830 no worries. 👍 Yikes, first PNY I heard of that got burnt! I had issues with my mobo dying myself. All's well that ends well...