You say "feel free" often. Makes me feel so free, thanks

Fun fact the buff you get from the 5th sigils ie dmg reduction by standing near the sword in the middle, when you get the dmg reduce buff that last for 30 sec will also reduce and prevent a stun from the traps

Hey man, great guide Just one more thing i found a bit difficult is you p7 You dont need to do all of that You can simply: Pre demon : reflect > Demon : Barge > bleed flurry > basics First rune > zerk > 2x basic 2nd tune > havoc, then greater fury Boss > devo > bdive > barge > bleed Assault > roar > overpower > claws > leng spec ( if boss not dead ) use punish Note : i use scrimshaw of vamp because it makes the fight much easier and i use 214653 as pad oeder I usually get 530 - 630 depending on crits and phasing Once again thanks for the guide

loving the guides lately!!!!

Great Carguy vid as always at this point, just commenting for algorhithm for you. I just love my max mage with cryptbloom setupfor this, its very satisfying for me. Would recommend for people just getting into the boss

1:24 demon slayer perk works against the chaos demon, but if you're killing it fast enough already or skipping that mechanic I guess it doesn't matter that much

Is there any benefit to stacking Devoted + Enhanced devoted in the Zammy fight specifically? As far as I know, Zammys attack rate is low enough that you can't get the rolling procs of both of them since an Enhanced devoted proc would expire before Zammys next Auto attack.

Lengs getting actual use haha

Thank you man for teaching me melee zamm! I see you don't utilize havoc in a zerk rotation? In P7 u don't need meteor strike btw after devo/reflect just barge/bleed assault/chaos roar/overpower/end with basic or eof spec :)

what relics do you have on? i'm struggling to have enough adrenaline for a chaos raor and overpower for all pads after 1

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

6:35

11/10

is there a mechanic that lets you gain adrenaline super fast in this fight cause idk how your using triple d claw specs so often

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

When each pad charges you get full adrenaline

What are your thoughts on having the darkness incanation activate to have a 20% dodge chance? Think it will snipe the divert alot?

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

I don't darkness because it snipes divert yeah. Maybe that'll get patched one day

Can you please make a ranged guide!?

maybe i am missing something but whats the purpose of spirit incense sticks with a hellhound?

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

if you start getting slapped and its dying quicker than usual, you can spam heal it a bit more. However, its probably overkill

@jlayman89

3 ай бұрын

You can sbs for the crystal if you'd rather do that. It's probably a lot cheaper and less intensive than spamming scrolls with incense. To each their own.

whats the reason you skip smoke cloud and pick distr shield?

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

smoke cloud is in borrowed power, but i usually forget to press it

Is there something im missing, or is using roar before OP less damage than roar into claw? Seems fury into OP is fairly close to what roar into OP is, and that frees up roar for a claw spec post pad charge for a larger burst? Could be a sequencing thing where im correct, but the roar OP does a consistent 65k and lowers the red, and thats whats valuable rather than more raw damage after the charge? Just seems to me that having slightly more gray/red doesnt matter when you can roar a claw for 2 claws for

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

when i don't roar>OP on grey bar, it seems to only do around 20k each hit avg, and quickly nuking grey bar makes life a lot easier. gfury also only crits one of the hits for op, not both. This rot is older, but with the update feels the most consistent from what i've tested. If you find roar claw to be better for you, send it

@jlayman89

3 ай бұрын

@CarguyRS I'm just coming from a place where roar into claws adds more than roar into OP and fury into OP adds more than fury into claws. It's entirely possible that since roar into OP adds more than fury into OP, that in that part of the sequenc, it'ss better and not relevant later on. It was entirely a curiosity on my end if there was a reason for it. Once I get into melee zamm, I'll definitely experiment with it. So fa, I've done almost all my zammy kills with magic. It's my comfort zone. I'm definitely better with melee though. I think it could also be better to roar into Claws pre charge then OP after since that does effectively the same damage in the same places, but starts the adrenaline buff later from OP after the pad restore which should give you a but more for the next pad cycle. Idk, I'll have to get in and do it rather than speculate. Boring maths can be skipped here, but I wanted to toss this in just so it's clear where im coming from. Claws on their own deals about a 6k, 3, and 2 * 1.5k. In zerk that goes to 12, 6, 3, and 3. Of course, this can also crit. OP deals 10k per hit, or 20-21k in zerk. So, a roar into OP adds 18-20k IF you don't crit. If you do, it adds nothing for that hit of OP. So roar into OP is worse the higher your crit chance is, in this case at around 38%, it effectively reduces the average effectiveness of roar into OP by 38%, so that 18-20 becomes more like 11-12k more average damage.It's stilll obviously quite a lot, but as we see in a moment, roar into Claws is a lot more. If we consider roar into claws, the 12,6,3,3 becomes 24,12,6,, which is 24k more damage. If the first hit crits, we lose 6k due to the cap. So 38% of 6k or like 2.5k lost on average of the 24k, so 21.5k average increase from roar into claws. This is about double what we get from roar into OP and gets better with further crit chance. Fury is also an odd one because it also gets worse the more crit chance we have. As of now, it effectively boosts by 62% * 50% (100%-38% * crit damage) or 31% added to the first strike. 31% of a 20-21k is a lot more than 12k. It's just been an odd curiosity of mine on why ao many melee guides say to roar into OP then shortly after Fury into Claws when in most it would seem that inverting them is better.

@Aura-og5bz

3 ай бұрын

@@jlayman89 its not that deep bro lmao

@jlayman89

3 ай бұрын

@Aura-og5bz it's a game of math and efficiency. It literally is. In this instance, it might not be, that's why I asked if I was missing anything. You realize the difference between using the abilities in the other order is like 15k right? Thats not insignificant.

i'm not a melee player but just wondering... Why have dds and Dclaw eof if they have same adren cost?

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

dds is 23% w/vigor passive, dclaw is 45%

@alonzoaoz1599

3 ай бұрын

@@CarguyRS you mean dds is 23% and dclaw is 45% lol (w/ vigor)

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

@@alonzoaoz1599 apparently uncaffinated replies aren't a good idea

are portents really all that useful considering you're activating them so early on in the kill?

@CarguyRS

3 ай бұрын

It'll save food usage for later on where you're taking more damage

omg its car guy will you sign my fsoa

wtf... melee dmg

love melee but Im a noob so I cant even do good bosses