When it comes to weight, it should be taken into account that the motorcycle already has a main stand, a large protective bar, a solid luggage rack and a tank that is approx. 5 liters larger than the competitors. That's probably 10kg in comparison.

@bulthaosen1169

17 күн бұрын

Yea. It comes offroad ready in stock configuration.

@___SSS___

17 күн бұрын

And tank is metal and mostly everything is metal

@NoRoads2AllRoads

17 күн бұрын

Yup. If you change things you can easily save 13kg without spending money. And keeping the bars...

@ivoaferreira

17 күн бұрын

yep its what I say when they mention the 450 mt is lighter...they only released dry weight and at least the crash bars will be instaled by most

@riverkeyes3455

14 күн бұрын

Ummm what? At 430lbs this thing weighs as much as a mid weight adventure bike but has half the horsepower

I rode the 411 in India for 2 weeks and loved it but felt it lacked top end performance for Australian highways. I just took delivery of the new 450 yesterday. Put some offroad tyres on it and away we go. Loving it. Great road manners and handles highway speeds with ease. More than capable off road. A great step up for RE.

I owned a 410 Himalayan and only recently sold it. I have ridden the 450 and it is a major step up and on my wish list.

Have owned a Euro 4 Himalayan 410 for five years and it’s become a trusted friend. Test rode a 450 and bought one, immediately. As referenced in the video, it is the next step in the model’s evolution but what they have achieved is impressive. Ride and handling are sublime. My only criticism, and one which will surely be addressed, either by Royal Enfield or by aftermarket suppliers, is the side stand which is an inch too short, at least. It makes the bike, which is kilograms lighter than its predecessor, feel significantly heavier. Not sure how this could have happened, unless less ground clearance was planned, initially, which seems unlikely. All in all, though……9 out of 10. Well impressed.

@arnoldschwarzenigga2268

17 күн бұрын

The made the side stand that way because , in it's home country India , local riders used to complain that it had a tendency to topple to the other side when parked in hilly areas , as the side stand was too steep.

@christopherpekel6096

16 күн бұрын

It's to help short people get on it

I have done 160 kms mainly in the Adelaide Hills, with a mixture of city, tight twisties and highway. Massive improvements in acceleration, handling and braking. Accessories are cheap. I will get an engine guard and bark busters at the first service. There still could minor build quality issues. I couldn't remove the rubber foot peg inserts, the screws are far too tight. Overall, I am impressed. I am looking forward to some long rides on gravel roads.

it is a success for enfield as it is selling close to 5000 per month and increasing❤❤

I tested one today and now I want one. It does not feel like a 450cc bike rather like 650cc

@Alex-ue2jf

18 күн бұрын

I totaly agree! I was Planing to get a Transalp but now I want this Himalayan 450, really love this Color from the RE

@Grumpysprout

18 күн бұрын

​​@@Alex-ue2jftry one first I did and I'm disappointed doesn't match the hype 😢

@Alex-ue2jf

18 күн бұрын

@@Grumpysprout Hmmm I think Choice for a Bike is really personal. I think the RE is (keep the Price in Mind) Good Quality and a blast for a Ride on and of rode until 100 km/h;). If you dont ride off road I Highly recommend trying the Transalp. It has naturally more power then the RE and a crunyer Sound. But I have to admit I get the Same Vibe in Corners on the Road. But the Transalp can also so some off road in my opinion.

@GaryJahman

18 күн бұрын

@@Alex-ue2jf I also tried the Transalp and it’s a better bike but that’s to be expected as you pay almost double. To me it was the joyful playful ride that put a smile on my face

@Alex-ue2jf

18 күн бұрын

@@GaryJahman This is the Point 👍🏻. The Transalp Takes you on a joyfull Ride with the power Reserve to get sporty and you can der Offroad. I think the RE offeres a joyfull ride aswell, but with - points in Power, Suspention and Details Like the Leverquality. For the Price Point still remarkeble

I think one of the best thing RE has upgraded is the suspension. I do not know what they did or how they came up with these forks but they really are far more better for offroading and even on road it's good compared to a lot of expensive bikes as well. That is something that stood out to me in this bike.

@mattdustz9215

18 күн бұрын

Have you had the chance to compare it to the previous Himalayan? I have the Scram 411 and I feel the suspension is on the strong side of the bike. I actually think it's much better than the suspension on the 650's

@darklord9102

18 күн бұрын

​@@mattdustz9215there is nothing similar between older Himalayan & new one....all new parts.

@abhinashkumar3161

17 күн бұрын

​@@mattdustz9215 new himi 450 has the best suspension very versatile.

@twowheeledparadox

17 күн бұрын

​@@mattdustz9215The Scram 411's front suspension had different spring and damping rates than the Himalayan 411. The rear monoshock had different damping too. That bike's handling was quite better than the Himalayan available at the same time. The Showa suspension on the new Himalayan is really, really good! Even better than the Scram's.

@virajvrooms

12 күн бұрын

​​@@mattdustz9215Just ignore the comments from Indian bikers. My colleague in Austria got hold of one somehow. The 'Off-Road' that Indians beleive in is amateurish when you compare to an average Rider there. The CFMoto450 is leagues ahead.

Indian made bikes are getting really soo good.. New KTM 390 adv loading....

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

That is also getting an upgrade this year

@ZeroXSEED

10 күн бұрын

It's also getting a big revamp Competition is good for consumers! When a brand dominates they tend to get lazy later on!

Hey Bob! Great video as always. I was lucky to do an extensive 3 hours trail and dirt ride on this Himalayan with the people who were involved in the development. This bike has changed my opinion about RE as a brand a lot and am seriously considering it for my next purchase. Waiting for the tubeless option to be available in India. Keep up the good work!🤘

I wanted information on the bike Noraly, aka "Itchy Boots", was riding when she began making her videos ( Season 1). This did a good job of providing that.

Another great video MotoBOB, was thinking about getting Himalayan as my daily but now decided for more street oriented Husky 801

Hi MotoBob excellent review of Royal Enfield Himalayan 450🇬🇧.I liked the detailed description you have made while reviewing

This smaller capacity market is looking quite competitive

Precisa chegar no Brasil🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷!!! Acorda Royal Enfield!!!

I'm pre-ordered a black/gold Himalayan. Still waiting for the tubeless. Maybe next month i'll be a owner. My wife gets her black Honda NX500 in 2 weeks, so we can have road adventures soon.

I think RE has nailed it with this HIMALAYAN in every aspect.On d refinement side I disagree with you as I like some sort of vibration in bike,it gives a bit of character to it which keeps you engaged to raiding.waiting for GAURELLA den take a call which one to go for.

Cant wait for you to get your hands on the 450MT...

A great round up Rob... I think this is a very exciting bike, for me the only ADV I can get excited about this side of the new Stelvio.

The 390 KTM is not an adventure bike. It's a Duke with some adventure styling. The ground clearance and ergos are definitely not aimed at adventure riders... Similarly the 400x is not an adventure bike either. Just a road bike with scrambler styling. The comparison should be with the Honda CRF300 Rally or similar.

@michalnemsak7886

18 күн бұрын

Exactly. Also the CFmoto 450mt and maybe Fantic Caballero 500 Rally/Explorer

@akagadget

17 күн бұрын

Absolutely right. I owe the 390 and the Himalayan and they are no way Adv…. I tried some serious trail on the Himalayan and it literally disintegrated.

@Bannister99

17 күн бұрын

I really want to see the CRF against this bike

@ZeroXSEED

10 күн бұрын

In fairness the new 390 is playing catchup. Which makes sense when friggin 310GS got it beat. And that's just a Kamen rider cosplay bike (I love the design)

I think that grey with the orange insets is very nice. I Iike the bikes rugged,honest character. A larger screen,top box and tubeless rims would do me to start with.

LIke how you call it "mid" capacity whilst other channels are mentioning mid capacity to be "750-1000".

@billcarson4566

18 күн бұрын

Well if 650 is a Superbike in the eyes of the Indian people.😃

@THUGPUTIN

18 күн бұрын

300 to 600 are mid(royal enfield called highest middleweight seller's in the world for a reason... 350,400 and 650s), below 300 are beginners and above 600 for experienced....

@ferkuzuel

18 күн бұрын

Maybe because in terms of weight, it is not far from bikes like the T7 or tuareg 660 or even the first generation of the old f800gs that weighted only 456lbs fully fueled

@cruze86

17 күн бұрын

Because RE engine starts from 350cc to 650cc so ‘Mid’ means in between that, which means 450cc. Not to be confused with sportsbike mid category.

@ZeroXSEED

10 күн бұрын

Asian channel is different lol For me an Indonesian anything over 250cc is considered BEEG

it is a vast improvement on the first model looks nice in the green with gold wheels .

Great review, nice from RE, as always so much good and helpful information. Can you please review the CFMoto cl-c 450?, love to know what you think of it. Thanks in advance. Much appreciate all the awesome reviews you put out.

I rode this and i liked it, the vibration annoyed me but it is a single. Performance was better than the specs suggest and the dash is really cool too! Great value for money!

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

It's a single the vibes are way less noticeable after 5k km

I love it! Probably my next Bike..

The whole concept is a huge step up for Royal Enfield in general and I personally hope it will be a huge success, even if I am not interested in buying the new Himalayan specifically. Liquid-cooled engine, USD Forks, modern instruments with a retro touch.... I really like the aesthetics and I am very curious, how this evolution will affect other new RE models in the future.

good review keep it up🙂

I've got the 411 model. I think a lot of people who are maybe used to more modern bikes with bells and whistles don't get it. The 411 is like a Land Rover Defender while the 452 is more like an Evoque 🙂

It looks nice. Saw one in person and it was too clean to ignore

The real question is how it stands up to the CFMoto 450 Ibex/MT

@alexchr380

18 күн бұрын

This is my question too

@TheMotociclist

18 күн бұрын

Best question

@buzzlightyear1484

18 күн бұрын

Cf is a twin and cant even produce as much torque at atleast the same rpm. Cf wants more rpm for more.

@ivancharlie9071

18 күн бұрын

Himmy I'll lead all the way in off road

@trappedmoss1172

18 күн бұрын

​@@Usergt467 It's give and take with that thick forks and 21 inch wheels

The main competitor for this bike will be the CF Moto 450 MT. Having ridden the 450 MT, I have to say the new Himalayan is facing fierce competition

Not my cup of tea, but still I am impressed by that bike, and by what has Royal Enfield achieved in the last 5-6 years.

Bang for buck its good value it’s fast enough for most riders ,as for vibration its a single very hard to get away from cruse control isn’t much good for Indian roads ,they’ve done a brilliant job on it I love it ,jimmy Australia great for our gravel roads in the bush

The CF Moto 450 MT is a twin cylinder adventure bike with 44 hp & a 17.5 litre tank but it's kerb weight is 192 kg. It also comes standard with tubeless rims-adjsutable levers-adjustable screen-5" colour TFT-ABS button for turning ABS/traction control on/off to the back wheel-you can also change the air cleaner without taking off the tank-also has bash plate-fully adjustable KYB suspension. It is however another $1,000 extra. You'd have to weigh up whether the extras it comes with are worth it for you. Obviously from what I found was that the twin was very smooth even at lower rpm's & I suspect would be stronger under load or up steep inclines simply because it's a twin cylinder. I think it's a shame that they made the new Himalayan longer-wider & taller which seems to have resulted in more weight than what it would have otherwise had. I think it should have had better finish like adjustable levers & to me the screen looks too small to be any great benefit when travelling to your favourite playground. It is actually in the lite middleweight segment but to me more focus should have being made on lighter materials like alloy swing arm-more similar size to the Triumph Scrambler 400X reflecting the power output.I think putting an air cleaner under the tank is an painful idea for an adventure bike with off road focus as it simply just adds to the time & expense to what should be a fairly straight forward job. To me the side covers are out of proportion to the tank-the tank looks enormous & the side covers look tiny. To me making the side covers tiny has being a set back to storage space. They had a blank canvas but to me again they haven't got their as the bike is still too heavy & the detail practical finish like adjustable levers simply isn't their so again they've compromised quality & finish to reach a price target.

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

According to Australiaan press the himmy is more suited for off-road and 450 Mt is better on highway

Just bought one...6100 euro including legalization and all expenses...the only thing close is the 450 mt and is almost 15% more in my country...the triumph and honda 20%...and ktm sw is above 8000 euro (thats just stupid)...the looks grew a lot on me since launch and chose the same exact colour

Could you please tell me what’s diameter quad lock did you use for 450 ?

Hi Motobob thanks for you review. I’ve the first Himalayan and I use to say to my friend when they ask about the moto.. “it’s not very good in nothing but it’s a lot of fun in everting” . By the way can you please tell me the brand of the jacket you are using on this 450 Himalayan review ? Thanks a lot

The specs. seem quite close to my gen 1 TransAlp. It was sold briefly in Canada, but it was not a GoldyLox here. I just found out I've been passing near a RE dealer on my bike route - I'll be interested to see it in person.

When they eventually make it to the U.S. I may take one for a spin. I'm assuming we will see the 450cc LC engine move through the lineup. Guessing it will be a while until we see a LC 650cc.

you made me wanting this bike man 😂

Cfmoto 450MT might be decent competition. It’s sad that RE basically started from scratch and couldn’t keep the weight below 400lbs.

Which motorcycle boots do you use in the video?

The real competition this bike will face is most likely from CF Moto 450 Mt, with its parallel twin, tubeless spoked wheels, weight is almost the same, Himalayan is 4 kgs heavier with 10mm of more ground clearance. 450mt got 44bhp with 44NM of torque, 4points more, 17.5 lit fuel tank. When it comes bang for the buck, I would be more inclined towards CF Moto as a consumer I am getting more bike for the same amount. Triumph Speed 400 is not in the same class, its a retro styled bike. KTM adventure might be the only true competitor but I wouldn't touch that brand with a 10 feet pole. I am excited for this class of bikes, hopefully more options for buyers.

Cool stuff

Tubeless wheels are still not available in the first batch in to the uk were spoked kaza and 2 slate colours. I was so disappointed with the engine I cancelled my order. Road test on shot gun tomorrow🤞 Hard seat is not comfirtable after an hour.

Is there a big bore kit available?

en el minuto 3:15 se observa las clavijas, pedales hasta pedal de freno moverse fuertemente con las aceleraciones

Not for me, gearing is not right for the road between 4th n 5th, a friend agreed, shame, waited ages for this. Disappointed as it sounds like the ideal bike for me. Range is way better than most RE's. Now waiting for the Classic 650 and the Scrambler 650, yes, they are coming. My Interceptor is getting lonely waiting for siblings. Last Saturday went to an RE demo thingy where you could ride all the bikes for most of the day. Great fun. The Bullet 350 was the most fun and most comfortable. GT650 an absolute blast Spoke to the head of RE UK and they do listen to feedback. We all got a form after the day asking for feedback. So, now you know. Absolutely sold on RE, easy to work on, engines superb, good value...etc, etc The problem is, most of them are desirable, what to do! Difficult choice, but a welcome one

Nice bike. Like the new styling, compared to the previous model. Tempting. Or should I go for the Triumph 400X?

@christopherpekel6096

16 күн бұрын

Do you want to look stylish or do you want to look like you love nature?

Looks great😎👍😃🤘

Its merits - its real low cost for an ADV, and approachable seat height for most. Also, it one of the few where pretty much the entirety of the bike was designed for the job. Not cobbled together from different bits - such as the T7 that uses the MT07 engine to save money, the AT and various KTM 890 variants do the same trick.

Looks like a great bike but I think i would still sway towards the Triumph 400 range as the build quality is far better having said that test riding could change everything

Loved the 450 except for the vibration - maybe I’m extra sensitive to the frequency but I ended up with totally numb first two fingers after about ten miles. Not the best when those fingers are on a brake lever that you can’t feel properly! Also slowly a ‘toothachy’ nerve type pain had slowly extended up my right arm which had reached the shoulder by the time I’d got back to the dealer at about 25 miles. My 411 is so much smoother & I think I’ll just have to live with it - which is a shame as in all other ways the 450 is excellent & so much better.

@christopherpekel6096

16 күн бұрын

I think a lot of these singles need to be ran in, often they're very buzzy when new

@simonrichardson3167

15 күн бұрын

@@christopherpekel6096 I test rode one with 200 miles it was annoyingly buzzy at 6k rpm through the pegs, almost unbearable, 100 miles later on same stretch of rode ipeg vibes seemed far less and not something to put me off anymore, so much so I ordered one

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

It take around 3 to 4 k km on single to really get rid of most of vibrations.

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

Also in india tha first batch has some vib issues which were solved by the second batch so the corrent batch is way smoother

Current price for Hanle Black here in Germany is Euro 6,150 including delivery. That's 5,295 pounds Sterling! UK price premium is about 15-20% I guess?

@virajvrooms

12 күн бұрын

What! Can't beleive Germans are buying an RE 😱

When should we expect a test of MT 450

The vibrations that come on at as low as 5000rpm are staggering. If you have anything less than thick MX boots, your feet will tickle from the buzzing. Same with the bars. Honestly I do not know how they are advertising this as a travel bike. It vibes significantly more than the old 411.

@jimmyjam8795

18 күн бұрын

Absolutely agree with you, caused cancellation of my order due the bike.

@simonrichardson3167

15 күн бұрын

@@jimmyjam8795 may improve with running in miles, I certainly felt that on a test ride, 70-75 mph was acceptable at end of ride after 8o miles but very uncomfortable through the pegs at the start

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

That issues was with the first batch here in india as well but the vibes got way less after 3-4k km and the second batch didn't had tha vibe issue

Its not in the middleweight adventure bike market, that's Aprilia Tourag 660, BMW F850 GS, Tenere 700. No this mike is aiming at the lite middleweight adventure segment which puts it up against BMW G310, CF Moto 450 MT, Triumph Scrambler 400X.

Weight isn’t too much of an issue - the low seat height offsets this. Also, with proper technique, lifting it isn’t an issue.

How does it compare to the NX500?

what i would find interesting to know is.. when you say the vibrations with the rubber inlets are bearable. how would you compare it to a old bike like a Bmw r100, Guzzi´s of the 80´s or a Dominator 650. I Come from these old bikes and i´m always a little insecure how much vibrations are really there compared to my bikes.

@jonathanschulster117

7 күн бұрын

I have a Moto Guzzi V11 since 2004, not from the 80's but I can say the vibes on that are pretty similar to the Hima 450. ie. the max vibes in some areas of the rev range are similar to those on the 450 above 5000 rpm. On the test ride up to 70 mph/120kmh I did not find these an issue but after hours on the motorway/highway I could imagine it is. Like the MG the vibrations will improve massively over time and mileage.

I will definitely suggest you to check the TVS 310r I promise you you won't be disappointed

Well presented. I’ve never been fond of ADVs however. BTW it is ‘Him-AAH-ley-en’ not ‘Him-uh-LEY-en’.

Lovely motorcycle

Where is the CF 450 MT??

You compare a 2024 Himalayan with the 2024 390 Adventure, which looks very dated and is being replaced next year. Still, they are only comparable as single cylinder bikes. Horses of course, as they say. I will take the 2025 390, which is based on the very updated 2024 390 duke, unless I am riding in remote areas.

Not missing the taillamp?

I wish there was a cf moto450 mt with this looks

It's a good motorcycle without breaking wallet 👍

Best? Depends. At least if we're talking about frame, it definitely is the best one for actual off-roading.

honda is working on its news 350cc adventure model.it resembles old Himalayan 411 which is good but that engine is not for adventure rides. i like nx 500 as soon as i saw the bike. i also like the 450 himalayan bcoz of its versatility. if honda comes up with their new adv model satisfying all my requirements then it a go to bike for me. until then 450 is my pick. KTM adv is also getting some updates. if competition is there we customers gets innovations and improvements and also value for money.

Can U review the new honda cb650r

I rode the 411 for three weeks in the high mountains of far north India and found that bike to have miserable suspension and just no power. This new 450 sounds like a really nice update and I’d consider buying one. Still though, I’d happily pay a little more if they take 15 kilos off it…

@chriskay116

17 күн бұрын

Interesting summary of the old Himalayan. I think we have grown accustomed to motocross levels of suspension and power, whilst forgetting where motorcycling has come from. I have covered many miles on tracks, trails and green lanes and have often felt elated that the Himalayan has simply managed to get me back home again. Horses for courses, or perhaps donkeys, in the case of the 411. 😂

@fuelarjun

15 күн бұрын

I think you can cut down on those 15 kilos yourself by removing the centre stand, protective guards and luggage rack that they offer as standard (i.e. if you really want to do that).

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

People cut down well over 20 kg here in india just by removing inbuild protection

Looks a bit more rugged than the triumph and ktm but would happily take any of them

@ivancharlie9071

18 күн бұрын

Ktm Enduro 390 on its way, hope it will keep all mouths shut😂

I put my name down for one last november but the tubeless Hanle Black seems to be one of the last to get to the market. Still worth the wait after a test ride last month, no issue with weight and very agile on road, delivery in june I hope!

@jimmyjam8795

18 күн бұрын

My Kamet white tubeless was due in May in the uk, and didn't come in first batch. Order cancelled anyway due to horrible engine vibration.

@magaudion

17 күн бұрын

@@jimmyjam8795what horrible vibration ?

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

Single do vibe but is smoothens out after couple thousand km and you will feel the vibes even more if you are from a smaller displacement bike.

I hope itchy boots use this bike for her next season. 😊 What happens to your beeline? I don't see u using it for a while.🤔

Bang for buck it’s good it dose everything it says on the tin ,in a couple of years there will be a few second hand ones once the hype dies down

Great lookng bike!

Good replacement for KLR650???

@richardw1043

18 күн бұрын

The newest KLR model? Probably not, unless you absolutely hate weight

Time will tell whether it's worth actually buying and owning. If RE's quality control has improved vs the current Himalayan than perhaps, if it's a more complicated bike made to a similar standard...pass.

So if Himalayan is middle than what is the T7 and the tuareg ? Maybe as a heavy bike is middle weight, but the engine is just like a DRZ injected ... only 30 kilos more.

@alrightdave6135

17 күн бұрын

Middle weight

@christopherpekel6096

16 күн бұрын

You have to understand that the average cc engine for motorcycles worldwide is probably 150cc.

Goin to be a great improvement for outreach Drs an Nurses etc in the boonies.❤❤❤❤

fuck I want this adventure bike so much 🤧

It’s got some pretty stiff competition from the CFmoto 450

like to see this up against cfmoto 450 as 1000s others tubless rims should be standard not a expensive upgrade re you herein me cf moto does

This is rly an upgrade, i live the himalayans, now i rly want one, dont have the money tho 😅

has not arrived in USA yet.

Designed in the uk

Amazing !!! - NO ONE else gives a flying fuck about the LIGHTS - how they are on each bike at NIGHT ??!!?? Looks like it. No one else mentions these in the comments ! And then - when you buy the bike/s you SUDDENLY will discover - Oh - the lights are 💩💩 !! - but then it's too late, and you must spend some decent miles with that crappy light - if u're about to ride in the dark..... The difference between KNOWING an not knowing is - you can order extra lights, as the bike is being prepared, or order them WITH the bike - mounted on ! And yes, it is a subjective issue - the 👀 of a 25 yr old are, probably more adaptive / going to see better in the dark, than of a dude in his 50s, so it's just to take a bike with GOOD front light and to compare to IT - by measuring the Lum - from certain distance !

Four ad breaks in an eleven minute video! I hope KZread are paying you well.

Too tall & top heavy for me at 5'7". I'm fine on the Speed 400.

Why are you pointing at the bike? Like we don’t know it’s the one the title refers to.

lol you asked if it will go toe to toe with other bikes then showed a KTM no one honestly thinks this thing will hold a candle to ANY KTM right?

Hey Motobob, do you think now, the Himalayan has become serious alternative to KLR 650 in the minds of potential KLR 650 riders? Does it provide the same things? Less? Or more? Would love your insight.

They should have put in the 650 engine

@hdslytro387

13 күн бұрын

That coming soon already spied in india

If you're going to take it seriously off road then I get it. Otherwise Triumph Scrambler for me

no america for this? been following reviews for months. 😔

Forget triumph and KTM as rivals, the rival you should be looking at is the CFMoto 450. Amazing that all you bike reviewers, go out of you way to ignore this rival. Be interesting if anyone does a comparison

@christopherpekel6096

16 күн бұрын

It's because it's not released yet so they can't make claims

Sorry MotoBob... if Him 450 has lowend, my 350cc bike has top speed of 500kmph!!! 🤣 And noooo... the vibes are worse than a KTM 390.

If only Yamaha made the T7 explore with the Himalayan in mind instead of putting the good stuff on a 125