I had an epiphany while uploading this video. See deeper meaning appendix in the description if you care, and discuss in the comments!

@collin4555

4 ай бұрын

Some cleaver wordplay? I'd have to hand it to them

@EverydayLinguistics

4 ай бұрын

That's quite a large appendix. You sure you don't have appendicitis?

Can we also talk about how Clark's sleaziness is never mentioned again and he's perfectly fine for the rest of the season?

@Cdr2002

4 ай бұрын

It’s so strange

@boogiesmell5181

4 ай бұрын

Yup. The writing got real bad here.

@metube3489

3 ай бұрын

Yes! It seems like there were so many dead end story lines. Like the writers were just trying out story lines to see how it felt.

@nallainductions

3 ай бұрын

@@metube3489 I've seen this season recently, and can somebody tell me if Erin and Pete ever broke up by the end? I've seen it but I still can't tell if I missed something or not. The ending between Andy, Pete, and Erin is so weird here, because by my recollection, I don't think Erin and Andy get back together, but I can't remember if Erin and Pete are together by the finale. Nothing really happens in their relationship. From what I recall in the finale, all we get is the plot about Erin's birth mother, and that's it. Side note, am I the only one who thinks that the Erin birth mother plotline in the finale is kind of cringy? I mean, Erin finding her birth mother was not a big part of the show.

@patrickthomas8890

2 ай бұрын

@@nallainductionsthe finale had some contrived drama. That was one…Kevin and Dwight having to repair their friendship was another. Suddenly, it was vital…when in reality those two never seemed like actual friends, but two ppl who happened to work at the same place for a few years

So Roy inviting Pam and Jim to his wedding might not have been that mean spirited. It is something that happens in real life from time to time and is a pretty common sitcom trope. Also, consider he invited Phyllis and Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration to his wedding, it was probably meant to be more than a small gathering.

@oliviabb73849

4 ай бұрын

It was definitely not mean spirited and anyone who watches The Office gets that. Except this dude I guess.

@zhishihuangdi98

4 ай бұрын

It wasn't mean spirited , it looked more like he simply invited people with whom he had a friendly relation once. Darryl, Vances, Halperts, former warehouse mates

@henrypeters5291

4 ай бұрын

@@zhishihuangdi98 We know from Crime Aid that Roy was still hanging out with the guys from the warehouse. I cannot think of any reason to invite the Vances other than reciprocity.

@kt102396

4 ай бұрын

I'm glad you clarified Bob Vance with Vance Refrigeration 😂

@jerkytoo8184

3 ай бұрын

I agree that it happens in real life. But under the specific circumstances it seems odd that Roy would invite JAM for any other reason than to take a victory lap. I could see why he would invite his old warehouse coworkers, with whom he kept in touch. I could also see him having some sort of relationship with Bob Vance, a fellow business owner. I could see the possibility of Bob having given Roy advice about starting up his business and maintaining an ongoing relationship. On the flip-side it makes little sense that JAM would've actually accepted the invitation. Don't get me wrong, I've attended a couple of my exes weddings but we'd stayed friends.

Okay - but that whole Clark thing was super duper creepy and it was rather alarming how blind andy was with Erin's savior having to be Pete

@Speckbeppo420

2 ай бұрын

RIGHT?? bro he seemed to plan to film her in seductive outfits?? bro that man probably wannted to sell this footage that is straight up evil

Nellie sipping that soda while Dwight “prepares” is a brilliant visual gag

I never thought that pam thought jim was having an affair, i just thought she knew something was up

I feel like roy meant that if he stayed with pam, he wouldn't have changed or grew as a person and stayed the guy who peaked in highschool. When i think of this episode, I also think of the film "500 days of summer," a film about a couple who break, find different partners by the end, and grow as people and have changed to better careers.

@henrypeters5291

4 ай бұрын

I definitely think that had Roy stayed at Dunder Mifflin, he would 100% be in the same spot. Also, yes, while that did happen in _500 Days of Summer_ that was not really the point of the movie.

@KTK44

4 ай бұрын

That did not happen in 500 days of Summer. Spoiler: The movie just ends with Tom meeting Autumn, but we never see what actually happens between the two of them or if he even gets the job. It is left open for the viewer to decide. The "moral" is more so that Tom changes from a person who has to have everything planned to a person that in Autumns words "will figure it out", aka a more casual outlook on life, love and things in general. The writing in The Office about Roy getting married is just lazy and used to drive a plot about Jim and Pam having trouble. It's pure lazyness and seems out of character for all of them, including Roy to even invite them. Makes no sense.

The episode is called “Roy’s Wedding,” I just wish they did more with that setting. Seems like some wasted potential there.

I wasn't invited to any of my exes' weddings... i think i would decline

Jim also doesn't tell Pam about his side business is because he avoids conflicts at all costs and in his mind telling Pam about his side business will cause a conflict.

@nightwingjosh8491

4 ай бұрын

The guy did avoid telling his opinion if Robert's wife should be hired last season

@henrypeters5291

4 ай бұрын

@@nightwingjosh8491 Honestly that one was a smart call though.

@henrypeters5291

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think that is something fans overlook, even Chris who has brought it up before, when criticizing this arc.

Short time binger (bin-jur), first time caller, but I love this series. Thank you so much for doing it.

I think the key takeaway to this episode is that it's only a truly classy wedding if Bob Vance is in attendance

The one thing that bothers me in this episode is that Roy was abusive to Pam, at least in that instance at the bar. So the show giving him such a happy ending and that "dodge a bullet" attitude feels very unfair.

@ghostly_number

4 ай бұрын

Is gonna sound bad but women are partially responsible in abusive relationships, cause in my opinion they're allowing themselves to be subjects to that abuse. If a man is abusive and hits you then call the cops and leave him. Sadly most women don't do that. And in Pam's case while se wasn't being hit she was allowing Roy to mistreat her and belittle her. Lots of stuff could have been better in her relationship if she spoke up but she didn't. And why is Roy having a good ending bad? He changed for the better that should be something worth celebrating and he changed cause of a woman that had the guts to change him.

@BlueBoboDoo100

4 ай бұрын

At least we know that Roy's new wife saw all of that when the doc aired. She probably eventually realized that Roy invited them to the wedding just to be petty, too.

@mooreanonumbers

4 ай бұрын

Life's unfair and abusers often get happy endings. This part felt real.

@joaopedroleite8998

4 ай бұрын

True, but The Office was never raw like this, this was just old bad wrinting@@mooreanonumbers

@thetrickster9885

4 ай бұрын

I am happy Roy got a good life. Life's not fair neither are TV shows

Roy assaulted Jim and Abused Pam and the idea they would go to his wedding makes no sense.

Even all these years later on Office Ladies when talking about this episode Jenna Fisher is still fired up about Jim not telling her about the Philly job. Also I loved your comparisons between Jim and Pam vs Andy and Erin, never thought of it that way before. Also your cleaver deeper meaning was really deep and very few people would ever think that deep and I enjoyed it a lot!

“ we have evidence that Roy was holding Pam back” Do we? Never forget that this show is told from the perspective of Pam. Everything is framed for Pam to be sympathetic. At this point in the show, we are forced to assume that Roy is just being an asshole. However, if the show was told from Roy’s perspective, we might see things differently. Pam and Roy have been together far longer than Jim and Pam. At this point, they have been together for 10 years. Roy knows that Pam has a tendency to impulsively want to try things that she has no intention on actually following through with. This might be the 10th thing this year that she’s brought up (off camera to Roy) and it’s extremely expensive. Of course he dismisses it because he’s frustrated that she keeps doing this. Maybe the first five times he was supportive. We don’t have any context (but we do see her patterns later). And more importantly, let’s remember that when she was with Jim, he did support her going all the way to New York for art school. They risk their relationship and lots of money. He sternly defended her to his family who thought that what she was doing was silly. He put it all out there to defend her decision and support her…. and what did she do? Dropped out because she failed a test and didn’t like drawing logos... The only difference between Roy and Jim is Roy tried to protect her while Jim tried to support her. But, in both cases, Pam is the reason she doesn’t have an art degree. Is Pam a bad person? Absolutely not. I think Pam is an incredible person. But she is very stubborn and emotional and doesn’t follow through on things. We all have flaws. Those are hers. Let’s not forget she also had one art exhibit before she gave up…she asked Jan about the DM design program and then never followed through… she started all those programs as office admin and we never saw them again…she literally quit Dunder Mifflin to follow Michael Scott Paper Company and then wanted to quit within hours of the first day (she knew Michael was like this…she didn’t even want to try). Look, I don’t “hate” Pam. But, we can all be mature enough to recognize that as beautiful as it is that Jim supports all of her side quests, she (and only she) is the reason they never work out. She’s not a bad person, but, she’s insanely impulsive and it’s unfair to assume that after 10 years, Roy dismissing art school was because he was “mean” as opposed to just being tired of wasting money on impulsive hobbies. Someone had to be realistic, they weren’t exactly rolling in dough.

Roy inviting Jim and Pam to the wedding is a psycho move. He probably planned it on a weekday morning so the doc crew would be there. He knows the doc makes him look bad, so he's trying to get some redemption. Would I invite my ex-fiancé to my wedding? No. HECK no. In fact, security will have their name and picture to ensure that that's the last person on earth I see on my wedding day.

@henrypeters5291

4 ай бұрын

It is not unheard of to invite an ex to a wedding, especially as a sitcom trope.

@slaybomb96

4 ай бұрын

When did the doc crew make him look bad? He did terrible things. Do stupid things win stupid prizes.

The S9 storyline would have been better if it involved Pam going back to art school and Jim worrying about holding Pam back.

@slaybomb96

4 ай бұрын

No, it would have been better without the doc crew getting involved and Pam just going ahead with Jim to Athleads roadtrip. Its pretty simple but the writers wanted to drag the drama way to long.

I read your "cleave" comments, and agree! Cleave is a very interesting word. Sanction is another contranym.

@EverydayLinguistics

4 ай бұрын

I think "patronize" is too. Or at least it's close. Also, "apart" and "a part", which people misspell, despite being pronounced essentially the same, mean the opposite.

great video man keep doing great job i'm actually looking forward to what you and mechanic will bring us after the office (parks and rec? community? :D) super excited for that

On paper, I like the idea that The Office was trying to show that Roy and Pam weren't right for each other and it wasn't necessarily because Roy was a bad person. For Roy, Pam was always the path of least resistance. But Office fans being Office fans and always looking for a reason to put down the obviously good characters with increasingly crazy conclusions about "the goodness" of bad characters, it kind of failed in that premise.

@henrypeters5291

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, something that is kind of overlooked is that it is 5/6 years in between Roy getting fired and this episode. And Roy even says that he only started the company a couple years ago. It is not like he was an overnight success, he just grew and changed like people normally do. And I do not think the subject of your second sentence is something specific to the office. You notice with shows like How I Met Your Mother and friends but when the show does not go out of its way to criticize its characters, the audience generally takes that role upon themselves.

@EverydayLinguistics

4 ай бұрын

It's a RAM thing.

What if Clark was the Scranton Strangler.. it’s a reach but. what if his plans of strangling Erin failed because Andy and Pete showed up?? just a theory but think about it

I had the thought today kinda makes sense. I think my problem with this story arc this season is they already covered this in a previous episode and wrapped it up in a nice bow. I'm talking about Pam dressing up as Olive Oil and Jim loving her because she's a dork. The show runners made it clear then that Jim and Pam are fine and having fun with their "small/simple" life but now, it's a whole shoe-horned problem this season.

Great deeper meaning. For that, I do have to thank the appendix.

This episode really deserves a sequel. Peak office episode

How many plugs are in this video? I’m only half through and there’s been at least 3

So people really hate the Jim and Pam stuff in season 9. Is that because we just don’t want any drama between the two, or specifically because the drama is built on a frustrating lack of communication? Because personally I always thought it made sense to have some conflict between the 2. From season 4 through season 8, they aren’t nearly as interested as seasons 2-3 because they’re just happy and nothing seems to be building for them. Even having the kids feed like a blip in their story from the viewer’s perspective. So I just don’t understand the hate, at least if it’s just people saying Jim and Pam should be perfect and never have arguments. If people latch more on to the problem being that they just won’t freaking talk to each other, that I can understand a lot more.

Bruise-Cruise? Wait what? 😂

When I found out that the show almost had Pam cheating on Jim with a warehouse worker. Wow that would've turned off tvs.

Also a huge Billy Joel fan. I recall that being the highlight of the episode for me back in 2012.

I wasn't usually a fan of the Deeper Meaning segments, but they might become the most compelling thing about Season 9 to me.

Bruise Cruise 💀💀

@3:08 that was such a scary episode. I'm a *huge* Monk fan, man. Haven't seen the new movie yet but I'm really hoping they revive the series. It's like... not a comedy but some of the funniest things I've seen come from the show- usually Monk himself.

About Jim keeping lying to Pam about Athlead. Next time you're on a rewatch keep an eye out, apart from the obvious buying his parent's house, Jim's first instinct in quite a few situations is to keep Pam in the dark and lie to her, even if only for a while. Honestly, the more I rewatch the series the more I'm on Pam's side, Jim really is not as charming as he thinks he is, if he were half as good looking he'd be treated like the jerk he often is.

LOVE THE MONK CUT! GRAVEL!

Greg Daniels wanted to create some conflict between Jim and Pam, which is a thing that happens with married couples. I get that Jim has dropped big surprises on Pam before (he bought his parents house for them). And it seems like they might've had an initial conversation about it and Pam wasn't on board. But his solution to this is to go behind her back and do it anyway. I guess he was assuming that if the venture didn't work out there would be no harm, no foul. And then if it worked out, he'd have realized his dream. But from what we know about the characters, it seems like it's a very forced point of conflict.

Bold is indeed the right word.

I like your hand stance. Seconded.

LOL. Plop. That guy is always taking dumps.

I think you can’t compare a wedding day relationship to an established-marriage-with -two-kids relationship. Come back to Roy’s marriage in about five years and you’ll see him just like we saw him with Pam…abusive. We will see his wife just as held back and frustrated as Pam was when she was with Roy. Why? Leopards do not change their spots. 🐆👍🏻😃

I got married on a Friday afternoon in my parent's backyard.

@Mulverine

4 ай бұрын

I think their wedding was in the morning. My kid’s actually getting married later this year on a Friday afternoon.

@Forriedude

4 ай бұрын

@@Mulverine grats!

Ahhhh my least favorite episode of the office, we have finally arrived

Speaking of Pam hate, it’s really weird I don’t see more hate for Jim. He is the worst, I could go on and on with evidence that Jim is a douche. But Pam also sucks so they’re fine together.

Wasn’t Roy right about Pam though? She went to art school, flunked and gave up?

Man is that the new logo of patron bruh its horrible

Not be a “Pam Hater” as we are often called… But this entire show is told from Pam‘s point of view. Our sympathy is for her because she’s our “friend.” We support her. But, let’s be real, I am not going to shame Roy for saying he “dodged a bullet” by not marrying the woman who literally cheated on him with a guy he knows. Come on. If there was a sitcom about Roy’s life, Pam would absolutely be the villain .

@Mulverine

Күн бұрын

I think that misses the point of why it’s audacious to say that to Jim.

@Decapified

Күн бұрын

@@Mulverine no, I get what you’re saying. But to say that Roy owes anything to the guy who his fiancé cheated on him with is a bit of a stretch. Was it’s bit rude? Absolutely. Does Jim *deserve* one rude comment after spending years trying to sleep with this dudes’ fiancé? Yeah … from Roy’s perspective. We are all the villain in someone else’s story. And Jim earned his spot as the villain in Roy’s story I think Roy did his best to bury the hatchet and even congratulated Jim prior to this. But, that one little joke while he was a little tipsy at his wedding I don’t think is a big deal. I would honestly take that on the chin if I was Jim.

@Mulverine

Күн бұрын

I don’t disagree with much of what you’re saying. I don’t remember vilifying Roy in this. Kind of just suggested that this was a set up to show how well he’s doing to JAM?

@Decapified

Күн бұрын

⁠@@Mulverine oh it’s definitely a set up. We are in agreement. But, I specifically had typed this watching right around 4:10 when you said “Roy’s a dick”. I think we agree on everything but that.

On the Andy being stupid with not understanding what Clarke is doing, I would disagree on this, because if you look at the rest of the season it shows that Andy is blinded (eyewash reference) by the prospect of being famous; so much so that hearing that there is a possibility for him to become a star just turns off the part of his brain that thinks things out.

14:28 what?

"Roy for sure invited Jan to this wedding..." Huh?

@Mulverine

Ай бұрын

I’m sure I said “Roy, for sure, invited JAM to this wedding…”. JAM is a combination of Jim and Pam, but I get how that may have been confusing. Good call out

4:12 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

Is 96Hours within your purview? That film was the bomb!

@Mulverine

4 ай бұрын

I googled this and it took me to the movie Taken with Liam Neeson (apparently it had multiple titles internationally). Is that the movie you’re asking about?

@kommissar.murphy

4 ай бұрын

No the one with Roy and Jim teaming up against Al Qaeda. I got mixed up: The film was called 13 Hours,not 96.@@Mulverine

Bruise Cruise?

@tnavassac

4 ай бұрын

Was just going to ask that same question.

@EverydayLinguistics

4 ай бұрын

cruisin for a bruisin

If i hear you mention "meta commentary" one more time, I'm gonna lose it

They both own their own businesses but have their wedding on a weekday morning? They couldn't have it when normal people do? It's just lazy writing because they wanted them to go to the office immediately after the wedding.

Hated Clark's story here especially since it both doesn't fit the story and on repeat watch, he's one of the better parts of the season. So lame. I hate Nellie, I hate Nellie, I hate Nellie. The Jim/Pam drama is way too forced still. They just borrowed another dull Jim/Dwight story but with Nellie. Also, when Dwight is successful and the boss in the finale, the idea that local businesses don't care that the manager supported terrorism for a gag is ludicrious. People boycott businesses for much less. Rough season, this one is.

#sixseasonsandafieldguide

The talaban from afaganastan

@EverydayLinguistics

4 ай бұрын

Iambic pentameter!

@boogiesmell5181

4 ай бұрын

❤ Kit Marlowe

Bruise Cruise?