"A T-Rex like quality that we dont necessarily value in training" had me laughing. Nice breakdown video to explain the why for correct technique.

@DarkHorseRowing

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe we should find a training plan for T-Rex quality development.

I use a narrow grip and this is why: Habit due to my distance running experience. Elbows out (daylight between elbows and torso) tend to encourage upper body rotation along the transverse plane (not efficient for forward movement) when pumping the arms. In order to ingrain the "minimizing daylight", I would do push-ups with the hands planted shoulder-width apart. This would force the elbow to point toward my butt while keeping the elbow tight to the body on the way down. When I did pull-ups (palms facing me) in the USMC, I would start with the hands shoulder-width apart. By the time I hit 20, the base of my hands would be touching. I am sure the narrow grip minimizes/eliminates engaging some of those upper back muscles. This in turn probably produces less power and/or less efficiency of transferring energy from big muscles (legs) through to the arms. I could be missing out on producing a bit more force by not engaging the upper back (lats) more. Hmmmmmm.....

Whether you are beginner or long time rower, this is a great video on grip technique. As longtime rower, I take my grip somewhat for granted and do not really think much about it, so I found this video to be a good refresher. One thing for me is that owing to having short fingers, as I am small in stature to begin with and a lightweight rower, I do find that my thumbs tended to go over the top of the handle. I did not think much of it, as it does feel more comfortable, but I will try to be conscious about keeping them under. Otherwise, I seem to be doing everything else right. Thank you for this video, you illustrated and explained everything well. I will be sharing it with my friends. 👍🙂

@DarkHorseRowing

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paolo and excellent perception of your own movement. Being present and self critical is the first step! Let us know how it goes.

@paolobramucci3609

5 жыл бұрын

Dark Horse Rowing Hi Shane! Just checking back with you to let you know that things are working out fine. I have now done three rowing sessions since seeing the clip and wrapping my thumbs under and around the handle is not as uncomfortable as I remembered as being. Most likely because after years of rowing my hands have gotten use to the diameter of the handle and my grip strength and endurance has improved. While occasionally during the a row I still sense that my thumbs want to drift up to the top, I just stop myself from letting this happen and continue rowing with the proper grip and light pressure. Overall, I would say that I have a very good grip, because I can row an hour or so with little hand fatigue and that I have very little callus on my hands, suggesting that the handle is not slipping in my hands, nor am I applying to much pressure causing pressure points. Once more, Shane thank you for your informative videos. They are truly helpful and have made me a better erg rower and now have me thinking about getting out and trying to row on the water for the first time. By the way, my C2-D is set up on slides. I cannot remember seeing you do any videos with slides. Have you done so? I like the slides, because I find that it makes you more aware of your stroke technique and time, and, seems to help with your sense of equilibrium. Any thoughts on this? Cheers! Paolo

Great video and first time commenting on any video. 62 year old male and have been rowing for about 9 months now. Started slow with 15 min a day with tension @ 7 and treadmill after for 15 min. Now 60 min every other day tension @ 10 but, I also switch from overhand to underhand every 2 min. It seems to be working for me and thought it might help others.

Just love rowing !

Thank you! This was far more helpful than I expected. I was wondering about some of these exact things this morning on the rower. Will correct tomorrow. Thanks again!

4 years later and he is still right.

Very good explained Thank you

This is a HUGE techique video that I seriously needed. I'm always guilty of death grip.

@DarkHorseRowing

5 жыл бұрын

Many are and again, it's hard to know in the middle of a piece if you're doing it or not. Love bringing attention to the little details!

Great video! I use my concept 2 for cross training for dirt bike racing, so using the grip technique that you’ve described is already very natural for me. What do you think about motorcycle racers that actually replace their concept 2 handlebar with a motocross type handlebar with motorcycle grips to simulate the same width as the bars they ride with? Good idea or not? The bar width would be about 31” or wider end to end.

The handle is a human/machine interface. At such an interface, the machine should follow the bio-mechanically correct movement of the user, not the user to the machine, as is the case with the ubiquitous, single-piece, rigid handle. Note that from 7:18 to 7:21 when you bring your right hand back (without the handle) and say "because this is a stronger pull...", your hand finishes in a vertical position. Now that is not precisely a rowing action, but if it a bio-mechanically correct movement, the handle should enable that movement via hinged and/or swivelled joints. The handle design should also ensure that, throughout the stroke, the hands, wrists, and forearms remain in alignment with the direction of applied force. There should be none of the awkward wrist angulation so often seen at the finish - which is caused by the poor handle design, and has resulted in repetitive strain injuries to many users. It is astonishing that rowing ergometer users have tolerated such a bio-mechanical abomination (the rigid, single-piece handle) for decades. It is a stone-age implement and should have been relegated to the dust bin of history years ago.

@Robert.E.Edmondson

5 жыл бұрын

When first introduced, the handle in the video was touted by C2 as their new "ergonomic" design. It is not. With the old C2 handle and with the new C2 handle, the hands are held in a fixed position throughout the stroke, while the position of the arms naturally changes. This causes wrist angulation under load, which is bio-mechanically incorrect. It is the cause of the chronic wrist pain suffered by many users. Wrist pain is not caused by "bad technique" as C2 enthusiasts always claim. Technique cannot compensate for poor equipment design.

@Robert.E.Edmondson

Жыл бұрын

Rowing ergometers are used by more non-rowers than rowers. Non-rowers use rowing ergometers for their general fitness benefits, not because they are training to improve OTW times. If viewed as an exercise machine rather than strictly a rowing machine, then the handle should not be of a design that fixes the hands in a single locked position (the C2 stock handle for example). If the handgrips could rotate from horizontal to vertical, then other muscle groups would be engaged, and the additional stroke geometries would add variety and interest to the workout program. Why should it matter to non-rowers if some of the added movements are not rowing related? They are completely viable exercises, and to the non-rower that is all that matters. The rigid, single-piece handle, demonstrated in this video keeps the hands fixed flat and level, the distance between the hands fixed, the movement of the hands straight back and straight forward - repeated endlessly. This is what everyone has been doing for the past forty years! It doesn't have to be this way. Some simple components hinged together, basic geometry, basic mechanics - and the wrist angulation problem is solved, the hands can be rotated from horizontal to vertical, and the machine finally comes alive.

There’s the right way, the wrong way. And the Shane way otherwise as THE BEST WAY!!

Another fantastic video! Thank you

@DarkHorseRowing

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Deanna!

Here's a question that you probably haven't gotten before. I've been rowing 10,000 meters a day for the past 4 months, and its precipitating a condition called Dupuytren's Contracture, where I develop painful nodules and scarring in my palms. I'm wondering whether there is any method of holding the handles that will pull less on my fingers, which is the motion that is stressing the connective tissues in my palms. I think the answer is probably, "tough luck."

Great video I tend to do the death grip so I am going to concentrate hard on that. Also, I tend to have my thumbs up not under so I will concentrate on that as well. I do constantly put them back under when I realize it. Lol

Great video! I'm actually thinking about making a custom handle since the one on the machine are too narrow for me. I'll probably go with solid bar to add more weight 😁

@DarkHorseRowing

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting idea to create a wider one. Are you really broad shouldered? Why would you want more weight on it?

@STLSER

5 жыл бұрын

@@DarkHorseRowing ya i have very broad shoulders im 4-5xl in tshirt size. And more weight would give me more of a workout it would hit my shoulders better. I like the burn when i row after i do my shoulders in the gym.

@STLSER

5 жыл бұрын

It's definitely thumbs under for me..i actually row with 3fingers ..pinky notdoing anything lol ..i guess 5inch wider bar would be perfect for me

@DarkHorseRowing

5 жыл бұрын

Wow! That's pretty cool. We should see if C2 will make a wider handle for you!

@torresguazu

5 жыл бұрын

C2forum.com “hammer grip type handle”.

awesome video sean!

What are your thoughts on rowing grips (such as those by Oarsome Potential)?

If I row after Back and Bicep day, would you recommend Supinated Grip as a finisher for both?

Just a question on elbows. Your comments make perfect sense. I fractured my elbow a couple of years ago and have physically lost the last 25 degrees of extension. I am just back into rowing and have noticed I don't have the same drive (which I hadn't put down to the elbow until now). Is there any way to combat this injury effect to maximise the stroke? Thanks, loving your content.

Thank you for the informational video! Much appreciated!

Love this! Thank you! True confessions: at 5’ 3” I need all the helpful tips I can get!!!!

Any suggestions for sweaty palms and blisters? I just bought C2 and its summer here and my hands are starting to get really sore. I tried not to have death grip altho definitely did it few times. I am unsure how to continue rowing outside as i fear blisters. My body heals wounds extremely slowly so i don't want to get to point of it becoming a visit to a doctor. I didn't realise my hands are naturally sweaty? I think using sunscreen and moisturizers didn't help either. I do get sweaty hands sometimes... but didn't realise blisters could happen from rowing. Any suggestions? For sweaty hands or summer rowing /blisters?

@mvm824

4 жыл бұрын

Use gloves. Even thin ones can offer enough buffer between you and what you are doing.

Thank you so much for this detailed insightful video. Perhaps the last outstanding question is what are your thoughts about the straight handle versus one with angled grips? My Concept2 has the angled handle with 245° tilt versus the straight handle. I find this to be more comfortable, so hopefully it is a better overall design.

I recently bough a rowing machine, the first day i put the minimum resistance and i had low HR, the next day i put it a bit harder and when i finished, my fingers were locked and i couldnt move them, i had to unlock my fingers with the other hand. Maybe its because of the death grip. Im gonna try your tips. Thanks bro.

What about for women who have narrower shoulders? Should we still be focusing on the widest grip possible or aim for shoulder width?

Good stuff.

Very helpful video. How do you change the handles?! I was so confused in the gym today. I wanted to change from a v-handle to a bar but i could not figure it out smh

sometimes ( dont tell anyone ) i turn the handle 90degrees and row with my palms facing each other. i use high drag factor and it feels good.

@JMFowlkes

4 жыл бұрын

What is that supposed to do?

@edinborogh

4 жыл бұрын

@@JMFowlkes just a different feel.

@lilar822

3 жыл бұрын

I would be more worried about messing up the chain.

@MrRickle

2 жыл бұрын

🤯🤯great idea. Thank you.

This is called the neutral grip not the pronated grip: 1:09 You can prove this to yourself when you understand the concept of the neutral grip, which is the handshake position of the forearm. However, as you go to row you turn the elbows out. Now you can see why this is still the neutral grip.

But what is the best handle? Have you tried a V-bar?

Have you noticed that the handle on the model d sits better in the cradle upside down. Very odd!

I have small hands and it feels like the grip is too big for thumbs under.

add chapers to the video it makes it easier to see

You have forgotten "flipped grip"

I've tried to model my grip after Keith Darby of England (100k kzread.info/dash/bejne/p51sxM2uiZy7k6g.html). Its pretty comfortable for long rows.

This is a 12 minute video on how to hold the handle? You gotta be kidding me.

That was interesting but at least 9 minutes too long. He needs to get to the point quicker.