No mate…. he never said “hand operations”. He’s not implied that his knives are hand made. You’ve twisted his words badly. He talked about what it would be like WHEN the manufacturing moves to the USA. He said there are far fewer steps in making a modern folder. And as a result, it’s probably a 10 year plan as opposed to a 5 year plan. Sounds like you didn’t get approved and have a bone to pick now. Or you were being disingenuous with your request in the first place. Either way, it reflects poorly on you mate… no way around that. You’re entitled to your opinion, even if it’s wrong. I like you and I like your channel and content. But I disagree with everything you’ve said here. And for future reference, most ambassadors become ambassadors AFTER they’ve purchased countless knives from a brand and exhibited their excitement for a brand, not before.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

You held an RC slipjoint up and asked, "How many operations does it take?" Andy replied, "200" It's on the interview. 40:16 in. I dont mind being disingenuous for a good cause. I'd give a lot up to see handmade cutlery survive. America shouldn't lose any more cutlery companies. It's worth fighting for, I think.

@TimsSchoolOfFish

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives I never said “hand”. And you’re taking it out of context. We were talking about what it would take to have an American factory with hand made knives, not how they are currently made. Nowhere did anyone imply that they are hand made. You did however say “Case are handmade” then qualified it with “to a certain extent” in your video. Case are no more hand made than RCB and you know it. Both Case and RCB have machined steps as well as steps done by hand. And is saying “when Case gets it right they surely get it right” meant to be an endorsement? If so, that’s not a very glowing endorsement. I’ve gotten more Case knives that are absolute rubbish than ones that are well made, and I would wager you have too. You even said they have QC issues. This is not news in the knife world. It’s ok to not like a certain brand or style of knife. Fair play. But I think you’re throwing shade where it’s not due or warranted. I mean you called Andy Armstrong a liar, and claimed he said his knives are hand made, and that’s just not true. That’s a step too far, mate.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@TimsSchoolOfFish If I thought that's what he meant then I'm sure I was not alone. 37:52 Andy says "200 operations to make a slipjoint" maybe he should have stated, but not mine. Or was he talking about when he gets his factory again 🤣😂. Tim, it's in the interview, mate. Any rational person would think the same as me watching that. RC won't bother Case. They are too big and an American institution at this point. They aren't going anywhere. But the other American cutlers, the smaller ones, don't stand a chance. RC can carpet bomb youtube advertising on youtube. American cutlers can't afford to give their knives out like RC. Plus, RC is setting an unrealistic/unachievable QC standard for a 'handmade' product. That's why we should be clear this is a machined knife with machined FF. With that, I also personally think it lacks soul. Part of my love for slipjoints is you can see the hand elements to it. I couldn't see that on an RC. It was sterile. Look I respect you having their back. Andy should be grateful he has you guys. You and Jake, but we have to agree to disagree on this one.

@TimsSchoolOfFish

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives Fair enough. Case is definitely not going anywhere. I love them and hate them… we have a strange relationship 😆 I see your point about soul. Modern slip joints aren’t for everyone and there are a fair few that feel the same way. I love the “traditional” traditional slip joints and the moderns. They both appeal to me for different reasons. I love them all to be honest. Disagreement isn’t a bad thing, as many seem to think. I still love ya mate! Cheers!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@@TimsSchoolOfFish 👊

Thank you so much for making this video! I think you are completely right about not having a soul. For me, I think they should be using brass liners. All steel seems cold and clinical to me. Brass gives it a warmth.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I was going to talk about why a slipjoint is made with certain materials. Brass is self lubricating metal. It's probably why they use it and why slipjoints can last well over 100 years and still function. Cheers, Eric!!! 👊

WOW! That has put the cat amongst the pigeons!!! Thanks Martin for an excellent review! Great to see an alternative view and thank you for taking the time to explain the difference between hand-made and machined knives. I did not understand the difference previously. In the end one either likes the knife or doesn't, but it is key to be honest about the construction and the category of knife it should be compared to. I have two RCB knives to review...I will take a lot of your comments on board

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

MB, be careful, mate. I know you have a more substantial channel than me that you love. I was ready to die on this hill😂. Sorry, it's a bit dramatic 😂. Couldn't think of a better phrase. I lost subs over this video, mate. Don't want to get anyone else in the shit mate. 👊

@MB_EDC

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives No worries - I'd just start another channel... Plus the views I get from knife videos - shows that not many knife people watch my channel🤣. I think you made some really good points. I like my Clinch River Swayback. But I wasn't planning to buy many more....... Apart from Victroinox - I don't have more than a couple of any one brand....

Great honest review here! You made some very good points in this video. Thanks for sharing your point of view on these.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Big J!! 🫡 I bet this weekend was weird, mate! Hope you're doing good? Cheers brother 👊

I get you points. I think it's good to point the issues you have out. I like this knife my self. Except the lasered bolster. Excellent video brother!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Cheers, Randy! Appreciate you, brother 👊

Hello its your new friend. I like you truly enjoy the more traditional knives. Being 71yrs. Old I have had many. I wonder though if the 12 yr. Old getting his first knife today (a rosecraft) won’t 50yr from now say I wish they would make them like they did when I was young. I believe that. We both love quality made knives. 16:40

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

It will be a sad day when these are passed down from generation to generation 😞. Good food for thought. Cheers mate 👊

they're fine if you know what you're getting into and what you're paying for. they're not traditional and i wish they'd stop being called that, but that's my only real gripe. hope nobody has been fooled thinking they're getting something that required human hands and eyes to produce.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Cheers, brother. To be honest, I didn't think this video would be that shocking. And most of us knew the score. But seems a lot of people do think they are traditional made?!?! 😮 Thanks mate 👊

This was a great video brother, thanks for sharing this point of view and not holding back.👊🏼

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, brother. Even if people don't agree with me. It's nice that people support a difference of opinion. 👊

There is an old saying- dont piss on my shoes and tell me its raining! 🤣 As you know i have a good few Brother knives and ive nothing against them and one Rosecraft mainly because I liked the orange bone covers. Never be afraid to call people out brother 👍

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I was going to use that phrase 😂. Thanks, Ian. 👊

Well Martin , you've pissed on my parade somewhat ! 🤣 I've got RC's newest release , the Nolichucky Jack , arriving tomorrow and I know you , just like me and all the other knife nuts , can't wait for a knife delivery to arrive ! No , you haven't ruined that anticipation for me , but has made me think some . You are the first person I have heard with negative conations towards the brand and , freedom of speech , you are entitled to them . I do buy hand crafted traditionals , matter of fact I just orderd the 400 year commemorative George Wooly , but I buy lots of other sorts of knives as well ! Eclectic does 'nt come close ! I have not heard these comments you speak of , but was under no illusion as to how RC products were made . I have many brands of modern knives and , for me , I think RC is of a higher standard than most of them . Love your passion for the industry man and have no fear ....... you 're videos will always find an audience ! A T B Tony . 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

That was not my intention 😂. I always say I'm not here to sell you anything. I just like showing/talking about knives. Collect what makes you happy that's what I say. I don't like one-sided followings, though. We need to balance it all out. 😂 I also don't like being lied to. If you get a chance, watch just the tip on Uncommon EDC channel. Interview of Andy Armstrong. Cheers mate

Your honesty specks volumes. Do I agree 100 percent, no but still ,you said your view with class thank you. I like Rosecraft as I cannot afford the GECs, Jack Wolfs , you know the story. I love Case too, I do not care for their QC Problems.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I always say collect what makes you happy. My channel is a hobby channel. I like sharing my opinions on the knife world. I like sharing what I see. Even when I made the thumbnail for this video....I thought it was a good-looking knife. But when I got it in hand, it's not the same. Thanks for the comment, mate. 👊

Anyone who gets a knife from a company before they are released, those are the planted salespeople , give good reviews, get them before they sell out, all propaganda, i dont chase knives like the gec cult, and such, thank you for your honesty honesty

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

No, thank you for this comment! Brilliant take on what has become of the knife community as of late. 👊

Great take. Humble, and to the point, not out to ruffle feathers intentionally just sharing your honest opinion.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Cheers, brother. Just subbed to your channel. I'm looking forward to watching some videos. 👊

@edc4fun

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives great, thanks! Likewise brother 🍻

This was a wonderful video, buddy! You made some really good points👍

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Cheers, mate. Worried about this one, to be honest. 👊

Yes, exactly! I’m not sure I could add much to that. It’s marketing a soulless product for really high prices. Not for me.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, Eric! I did ask him why the prices have increased, and he told me "higher QC and inflation" 😂. Yeah OK Andy. Hope you are doing well? Thanks for the comment. I was a bit worried about this video. Thought I may get shunned 😂. But I couldn't move on till I got it off my chest. Thanks again, mate 🫡

Well I wasn’t expecting that 🤣🤣🤣….. So… let me just say.. I hadn’t heard Andy’s claims about these being handmade…! Clearly they aren’t and there’s a lot of CNC’d work that goes into making these… I hadn’t even questioned that… To me, these are modern made knives, based on traditional pattern’s… I actually like them… but wouldn’t compare them with the traditionally hand made knives built by proper cutlers… In my opinion… a truly traditionally hand built knife will always be king… and I’ll do my best to support that side of the knife manufacturing industry..… We definitely don’t want to loose it..!!!! However… I also enjoy modern made knives and will buy them as well… So… to me, the point you’re really making seems to be around a lack of transparency from RoseCraft..? On that point, and given the fact that you’ve seen Andy claim that there are 200 man hours involved in producing these… I agree and also question that..! Gauntlet down Andy… factory tour video…? Love you passion Martin… you’re a real asset to the knife community and if I had a hat on I’d take it off..! Will I still buy RoseCraft..? Yeah.. but I take them for what they are… will they take the place of a traditionally hand made knife… no..! Keep doing what you’re doing brother and I really appreciate you speaking out for traditional makers…! Thanks for another brilliant video 😎👊🏻

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

If you get the chance, watch the interview of Andy Armstrong on just the tip..its on Jakes channel (uncommon EDC). Watch the second half that's where all the false statements are. One minute, he says you can never be sure where your knives are made in China. Next minute, he's talking about 200 hand operations. I did some research into William Rose, the owner. He's given 5 million to freedomworks, a political party (2012). Through his company speciality group. Nearly investigated as to where the money has come from. The party believes funnily about making America great again. Then he's having knives made in China. They have the money to make a plant in the USA tomorrow, but I think all they are bothered about is making some money now. The whole thing stinks. It's insulting to try and pass these off as handmade traditional knives. All I know is they are laughing their cocks off at the knife community. But you are right. I don't like this carpet bombing advertisement technique on youtube. I don't like being lied to. Thought I'd at least try and put one bad review out there 😂. Then it's not one-sided. Might be my last 😅. Always appreciate your comments, Sean 🫡 👊

@SeanT_1967

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives Thanks mate… I’ll definitely give that video a look…! Not a bad review… a honest and heartfelt opinion, based on what you’ve seen and heard..! Might be your last video…? Never… you’ve got too much to say and your passion and the whole “for the love of knives” ethos with keeping you going and us all watching..! Take care mate, you’re a good un… love what you’re doing 😎👊🏻

Oof, tell us how you really feel haha! I was rejected as a Rosecraft ambassador when they had their initial applications but have still really enjoyed mine having paid full price for all of them. I disagree on some points (such as you don't have fit and finish on machined knives. We still see cracked scales, walk and talk issues, gaps, etc. on machined knives including a couple of my RCB. That said, I do hold machined knives to a higher standard when it comes to fit and finish) but you know I respect your opinion and think these types of reviews are just as important as the glowingly positive ones. I do have quite a few Bear and Son and RCB and I don't find the quality particularly close (with RCB blowing B&S out of the water) but I continue to buy B&S for the character (or soul as you put it). I guess I just think of them in two different categories and enjoy them differently. Good to hear a different perspective though brotha. Thanks for sharing! P.S. Happy to help ship any Bear and Son that are available here if you need an address to send them and someone to forward them along, just let me know.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I didn't want to show the footage and get you in trouble. Even though I'd thought it would be more entertaining and a better watch. I got a lot of time and respect for you, Jake! One of the good guys 👊. I appreciate the offer on the Bear and Sons and may take you up on that. I asked to be a member so I could see if there were things you could and could not say. A contract. The traditional knife world, to my knowledge, has never had this carpet bombing advertisement it has now. I think it started with JWK. I don't like it also if I'm completely honest. I asked to become a member as I wanted to see the inner workings of what that entails. Have you ever heard me mention on the discord I want sponsors or free stuff? This is a hobby, and I want it to remain that way. I'll tell you what I told Paddy. This channel costs me money, and I'm fine with that because I love knives.

@UncommonEDC

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives No worries either way! I will say, you shouldn't feel like you can't make money and accept items for review and it still be a hobby. I have a set template I send whenever I get a request with the parameters I am comfortable with before accepting an item and I definitely have had companies that aren't comfortable with them so they didn't send the item which I am okay with as it allows me to look at more than I would otherwise without having to compromise. I still consider my channel a hobby, I make money off of it but it all goes back into funding my hobby so I don't actually turn a profit. Can't speak on the Rosecraft ambassadors as I've never been on that side of it but for JWK, I can tell you there is no contract. I had a phone conversation with Ben several months after having met him at a show and me buying and reviewing several of his knives that I bought with my own money. By working with people that are already fans, he is targeting reviewers that are in his target audience which naturally leads to more positive reviews but more importantly allows him to reach people with similar tastes. There are no caveats though and I have never heard of any one being removed from receiving them for pointing out negatives (I think the example I saw in response Paddy's comment was someone loaning him the knives and no longer sending them to him, they were not sent by JWK in the first place). I think there was even a case where a knife ended up getting delayed several months so he could address an issue that came up from the early reviews. Also worth noting that although I receive the knives for review, I link to the general distributor list rather than an affiliate link so I make no money whether or not someone decides to buy one. I can understand why you aren't a fan of this style of marketing but unfortunately it is really the best way to get your name out there in the knife world as adsense (the biggest ad supplier on the internet) does not allow you to run ads on knives and most social networks make things difficult (IG and Tik Tok in particular) so for a smaller brand where a SMKW, Knife Center or BladeHQ aren't going to push you until you've proven yourself, there really is no more efficient way to reach the knife community for better or for worse. I like to think I don't recommend stuff, I just show stuff I think is cool but realize people do use that info to make buying decisions so its important to talk about the good and the bad. Hope none of this is coming off as confrontational, I really think this is a healthy discussion to have and it's all love on my end!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@UncommonEDC Not confrontational at all, brother. I appreciate your time, mate. You always put things well. I never thought about it like that where you have these gatekeepers (bigger companies) for start-up small companies that they have to overcome. Good point. But I'm seeing it from a viewers perspective. If every channel is singing the praises of a certain product and not showing any negatives. It's propaganda, not a review. Nothing is perfect. I've watched 100 videos on Rosecraft blades no one mentioned machining. Not many mention integral bolster/liners. Misleading in my mind. We are setting a precedent for all other companies on how to get established. So now all companies will have to send out 100s of knives to get established. Which is easy when they are Chinese machined knives. Not when they are hand-made built in America. It's another nail in traditional cutlery coffin as far as I'm concerned. Just my thoughts, brother. I like you, Jake. You're one of the good guys. I like discussing stuff with you. 👊

@UncommonEDC

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives Good haha, I didn't think any of it was but it was a lot of text and I didn't want to read back through it so easier to just tack that on the end 🤣 And I hear ya there, I don't know about other channels but I didn't mention machining or integral bolsters as it isn't an issue for me. I like both, I started with modern knives so although I love truly traditional knives, I don't necessarily mind when a company takes some liberties with construction. I have recently noticed that I much prefer the talk without a stop pin but that just adds to the enjoyment when I get a slip joint with great walk and talk. I think the precedent is already set when it comes to getting established though. Pepsi for example is established and internationally recognized but has a massive advertising budget which is only going to continue to grow. At the volume RCB is making, you have to assume each run of a particular knife is costing $20,000+ to OEM on top of their other costs. If they send each one to 13 reviewers, that's less than $750 in advertising which is a drop in the bucket compared to what non-knife companies are spending on advertising. Most knife companies advertising consists of sending knives and their own social media/newsletters, I think RCB also sponsors Blade Show so it is a little more than average but still a pretty small portion of their overall budget compared to any other non-knife company. For viewers, it would be great if they sent them to people who weren't already enthusiastic about their products but if they are viewing it as advertisement, that wouldn't be a great use of their ad spend. And likewise brotha, good chatting with you! 👊

Hi Martin, I agree with a lot of your points and it would certainly appear that Andy Armstrong is making some spurious claims. However, my limited experience of RCB knives, so far, has been pretty positive. I've recently picked up the Loosahatchie and it's a very well made knife, for the money. It may be based on a traditional pattern, but it's a modern slipjoint and I don't think it can be marketed as a traditional knife. I'd compare RCB to QSP. Great quality and value from China (with a wicked edge), but not traditional and certainly not handmade (although there may be some hand assembly). Bottom line for me is, does it feel good in hand and do I enjoy using it. In this case, I have to say, yes. All the best, Mick

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment, Mick. Collect what makes you happy is what I say. So I'm with you, brother! 👊

An integral bolster to the liner is great in the books of anyone practically minded, because it makes it stronger obviously and less to go wrong and leaves them more time to concentrate on other aspects of the fit n finish. It’s still a beautiful, and useful knife and it feels like all your criticism is a bit mean spirited. Aren’t you just being a moaning minny? You’re criticisms would only have been meaningful in a perfect world where we all had the money for perfect things. But all the things you criticise are things that make the knife affordable for ordinary folks and we’re grateful for the fact that we get to own a nice knife. You got a good knife there bro. Now get on and enjoy it. 🙂

@SteelCityKnives

21 күн бұрын

Hey, we are all entitled to our opinions 😂. An integral bolster has been done historically. In Sheffield. I'm not against an integral bolster. My dislike of this company can be boiled down to a few things. One I didn't like the way Andy said in his interview that "It's a falicy we can produce knives in this country at this price and with this FF." A slap in the face to every American cutlery company, in my opinion. I've posted the interview on my community page, in which he said it. A lot of youtubers were comparing these knives to more handmade knives, which is unfair as a machine made knife will have better FF. At the time of making this video. RC had not acknowledged the modern processes they were using to their customers. Putting knives/ companies like this on a pedestal will decrease the quality of true handmade knives around the world. We are basically saying we love knives produced like this. So companies will adopt similar methods. More machining and less handmade processes. Which to me is a crying shame. Already companies are giving up in certain traditional methods as probably a cost saving exercise. Boker have stopped doing multibladed knives such as stockmans and congress. Case is now etching instead of stamping. Integral bolsters are becoming more common. It's an erosion of traditional methods to make pocket knives. Who loses out by this becoming the norm. The manufacturer wins as the can produce a cheaper product and higher profit margins. The seller had fewer returns and issues as the knives are all consistent. But we lose. We have the knife for it's life sitting in our pockets. I'd rather have handmade knife with character. I don't want this to be the future of cutlery. I don't want these to be passed down from generation to generation.

People complain when they receive a bad knife and then complain when they get a perfect one. It has to be one or the other. You can't have it both ways.

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

I complain when I'm miss sold something also 😂😉. Have you watched the interview of Andy Armstrong on just the tip? I posted it on my community page when I posted this video a while ago now. Andy was implying they were made in a different way. He was also stating it's a falicy to make a knife in the States at this price with this FF. It's a well put together functional knife. It's just not for me. If you like machined made Chinese knives that in my eyes are over priced. Fill your boots. Again, I didn't say don't buy them....just not for me 👊

@wizardofahhhs759

Ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives I've only watched about 15 minutes it so far, battery was getting low so I had to stop for awhile. And I wouldn't say that I "like" them, it's just a decent knife for what I want/need it for. I would much rather have a German or American made knife that could inspire sentimental value than a Chinese "throw away" knife. I mostly by Böker knives because my grandfather carried a Böker. I don't like what's happening in the knife community no more than you do but it's happening and unless American and European manufacturers step it up they'll fall by the wayside.

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

@wizardofahhhs759 RC is essentially a rich guy who has bought a Chinese OEM who can machine knives well. Bought some well-known designers. And then bought some youtubers to flog them. A can see why they have been so popular with this buisness model. Look forward to them now bombarding the market now with knife after knife like all Chinese modern knife manufacturers do. I also look forward to the prices going up and up. Once they realise everyone is tripping over themselves to buy them. I think Bear and Son have personally replied to RC with their new releases. They are bringing out handmade USA made knives cheaper and just as good FF than what they can produce using machines. I've never been more prouder of a Cutlery company. I think every worker has done that company and the history of cutlery proud! 🇺🇸 🥳😊👏 🇺🇸

@wizardofahhhs759

Ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives I'll have to check out the Bear & Sons knives but the last time (about 2 years ago) I looked at them in the hardware store they looked like they were put together by a 4 year old and their prices were outrageous. Just as expensive as CASE with horrible fit and finish.

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

@wizardofahhhs759 I think they are a relatively new company. Again, I tried to explain this on a video recently....badly may I add. Cutlers make a company. Skill levels improve with experience. People sometimes retire and die. It's a constant moving and evolving workforce. I sometimes think it takes a lifetime to be brilliant, and then, unfortunately, they pass away. The cycle starts again. You won't get any of that with companies like RC. Machine made knives don't have bad days. Or have to worry about such things. But that's not the traditional knife scene to me. And not want I want for the future. We have that anyway. That's the modern knife scene.

Morning brother, proud of you for putting this out finally i know you were slightly apprehensive about it,but as i said to you you nailed it and its lovely to see people agreeing with you as i do also you really did your homework on this and no one can argue with that another great video 👊

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Cheers, brother. Thanks for the message, also. It was a bit rushed. Probably could have done a better job on it. Thanks again, Drew 🫡 👊

Your really making some great points here Martin. Its great to hear your honest opinion! I like rosecraft blades but you are correct not as much soul to them. I do appreciate that they come very sharp. and I do like the cross bar to prevent blade wrap. I have more than a few Queens and they Have minor issues but are very nice hand made knives. Ive pre ordered my large stag bear and son barlow cannot wait! Thanks for sharing! And Keep speaking your mind brother!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Appreciate this comment, mate!!! Cheers brother 🙏 👊

Steely has a hot take. Lol love the video brother. I've had a couple rosecracts and I feel mostly the same way as you do. The CNC machined slip joints don't appeal to me. That's the same reason I don't like JWK, we aren't getting all of the information and I don't feel the cost of some of these CNC slippys are justified. Cheers señor

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, Cheato!! 👊 I bought the knife on the back of all these gleaming reviews. I felt I had been short-changed and misled if I'm completely honest. I know I have a channel, but I'm also the customer. That's what they don't understand. Cheers brother 👊

@cheatobandito

2 ай бұрын

@SteelCityKnives I feel you. I've been a victim to the hype trains Siren songs more than once lol

An excellent review! Honest, straight forward and informative. You obviously did your homework and it shows. Well done mate! 👍Subscribed! Cheers, RW

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, mate 🙏 I may need the subs. I knew I'd lose a few doing this video 😂. But I felt I needed to say something. Thanks again, brother 👊

I feel you. The soul you're talking about is why i like collecting vintage knives. The reality, though, is that those knives were made by what amounted to slave labor in horrific conditions. Many sheffield cutlers came to the US to seek better pay and conditions. Knives are expensive to make, and the market is small. The key to being able to make knives is production. The more you can make, the more affordable they'll be. Without mechanization, we wouldn't have knives. In the Middle Ages, most people had peasant knives. No more than a few slabs of wood with metal in the middle. A quality knife made by hand was unaffordable to most people. The sad truth is that the days of an affordable quality knife made by hand are gone. Only in places like China, where slave labor exist, can they still produce high quality low cost knives. Noble thoughts though. 😊

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Can I start by saying....I love comments like this. I like talking about cutlery in general. You like me love history and deep diving into cutlery 👊 I've researched Brother knives, and it's a very professional and competent company. This isn't a China issue. I have a lot of well-made Chinese knives. I do believe they are the demise of a lot of American company's. Due to being able to undercut company's on labour costs. But that is a completely separate topic for another day, maybe. My issue was I watched Andys interview (on my community page) and he implied they were something they were not. Now, people have stated I misinterpreted it. This may be the case, but it wasn't very transparent either way. Then he made a statement that angered me if I'm completely honest. He stated its a falicy that you can produce a knife in this country at this price and at this QC. Which I thought was a slap in the face for every American cutler striving to keep going. A handmade knife will never beat a machine made knife in the QC department, and I'm glad that's the case. Plus, Bear and Sons have brought out cheaper knives than RC recently. It may have been a bit strong. It may get me shunned. But I'm sticking to what I said. I love traditional cutlery, and I felt he was attacking it. I disagree with you wholeheartedly about the days of handmade affordable cutlery gone. There's plenty out there, and I hope to show case it. America has always been the biggest power house of cutlery buy buying the majority of it or producing some of the world's best. Modern knives have taken a lot of the market. We need to save what we love and preserve for the next generations. Sorry a bit deep, but I know you feel the same Michael. I like talking to you mate 🫡 👊

@rasputinscastle

2 ай бұрын

@SteelCityKnives 😄 no apologies needed, I love your passion. I don't think we disagree, but even if we did, it wouldn't matter to me. Reasonable men can have reasonable conversations and disagree. Now everyone else, I don't know. You may have to hire bodyguards 🤪😜😃

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@rasputinscastle No body guards are required yet 😂 thankfully. I genuinely didn't think this video would cause this much of a stir. After all, it's just one person's opinion. It shows you how much people love Rosecraft blades, I suppose. They are definitely here to stay. Time to sit back and see how it all works out? Knife history in the making.

@rasputinscastle

2 ай бұрын

@SteelCityKnives well controversy will definitely push those numbers up. It's good to be true to yourself. Sometimes, that's going to ruffle feathers 🪶 . So be it. 👍

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@@rasputinscastle Controversial to me is all the glowing reviews. I just said what I saw. How can that be controversial 🤔.

So not a fan of the designer as a designer..he’s selling RR knives at twice the price..China made mass produced knives for the masses..you might as well get a RR at half the price as they are both cheaply made China knives..definitely cutting corners but people that love knives know that..these knives aren’t for collectors, it’s just mass produced crap and Armstrong is full of it as far as I’m concerned..I’m glad that you, as a slip joint guy, who knows the history of slip joints got one of these..as you know quality in traditional..lol you’ll never see a factory tour lol I agree dudes a liar and I’ve said that all along plus a design thief..but that’s my opinion..and everyone is entitled to their opinions..great review, honest and truthful in my opinion..Thank you!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I thought I replied to this comment. But not showing it. You know I got a lot of time for you Rich! Cheers brother 👊

@TBEDC

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives cheers bro!! 🍻

@RandysWSG

2 ай бұрын

😁

An interesting take I haven’t heard before. I don’t have one yet as they are expensive comparatively to other knives I have wanted. Good food for thought.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Hi mate 👋 I'd rather have a Bear and Son any day of the week. This is just my opinion, though. Mate, you get some decent finds. I've seen some of your scores! See, we don't have the flea markets finds over here. Hope you're doing good brother? 👊

I can wait until they open their USA company.😅🤣😂

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

10 years and counting 🤣😂🤣. I visited a Sheffield cutler and they were knocking out some class knives. They didn't have some fancy purpose built factory. It was a S*** hole to be Frank. But good cutlery, never the less. Cheers, Gizmo 🫡

Hi Martin, personally, I don't mind integral bolsters and liners but there is no way they can be described as traditional. I have a few "modern traditionals " but am currently only buying Sheffield knives and very few of them.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I'll be honest with you I've just bought a custom with integral bolsters/liners. But Andy states on an interview a man fits the bolster to the liners. That's my problem. I blame you for the custom purchases 😂🤣😂. Seeing yours made me keep looking for one. Cheers mate 🤝

@wizardofahhhs759

Ай бұрын

I read on bladeforums that the very first Barlows had integral bolsters, that's what made them such a strong knife, but it was easier and cheaper to craft the liners and bolsters separately so that's what they went with what we have today.

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

@wizardofahhhs759 I've seen the same post. They were brilliant knives. I think you're missing the point I was making, mate. The other day on our (UK) second-hand market. I saw an RC knife priced at £15 more than an original Queen Q-TAc. This is where you guys are steering the ship. 👊

I have a huge collection of knives , Rosecraft knives are excellent, I question your critique

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Question away.....I'm always willing to discuss knives?

@iainwatts6664

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives I know it's just your opinion but seems a bit strange that every review of Rosecraft knives is positive but you decide to be negative

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@iainwatts6664 Don't you think it's strange how positive all these reviews are? Have you ever bought anything with no reservations about it. Nothing is perfect. Even Boker, how perfect they are, people still call them sterile. I think it's more strange that these knives have had 100 reviews, and no one has a bad word to say about them. Rather than my one bad review. Backed up by video evidence. If you like them, fair play. I didn't say once not to buy them. Collect what makes you happy is what I say. I like traditional handmade knives. RC isn't that. Plus, like I said, I think they are overpriced for a machined knife made in China.

@iainwatts6664

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives That doesn't really make much sense , I'd rather spend £60 on an perfectly finished knife from china than a £200 hand finished knife with gaps , blade wobble and imperfections just because it's custom, knives don't have a soul unless they have been on a journey they're just steel and materials

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@iainwatts6664 I've got loads of knives cheaper than RC with just as good if not better FF. That were handmade and not made in China. Again, that's why I think they are overpriced. No one should have bad FF. But comparing a machined made knife to a handmade knife is unfair and unrealistic. I was trying to convey the difference in this video. The soul comment is a personal thing. But I like your thoughts on it 👊. I feel similar about older knives and the curiosity of the life it's lived prior to getting to me.

You got a quality knife for a good price, what’s your problem?

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

My problem is it was being sold as a hand built traditional knife. It cost me £55. I could have bought a lot better knives for that I can assure you. Hand built knives in Germany, UK, and America. I think it's overpriced. I'm pretty sure the OEM is brother knives. They retail at £25- £30 ish here. The profit margins must be insane. How come RC has hiked the prices up all of a sudden. The materials have not changed? Neither has the processes in which they are made? If you like Chinese machined made knives, then this is the company for you. I like traditionally made knives. So, I'm not a fan. I'd rather spend my money preserving hand built cutlery made in a traditional way.

Well it would seem that this video has ruffled some feathers in the community, and I can see why. Rosecraft has become a massive part of the knife world, as of late and mostly in a positive sense, so anything going against the grain will likely cause a stir. I personally have mixed feelings on what’s being discussed here, so I’ll start by clarifying that this is (mostly) just my opinion. As you said, an opinion we are all entitled to. So without further ado, I hereby begin my ramble. Firstly, I would like to address an issue that has become quite apparent within the KZread Knife Scene. That issue being the misuse of the term “traditional”. Many claim that slipjoints are, by nature, “traditionals”. This simply isn’t the case, as there’s an entire sub-genre/class of knives that are traditional in design, but far from traditional in materials and methods of craft. Those being, ‘modern-traditionals’. Many popular brands’ take on a ‘traditional’ is far closer to a modern-traditional, in retrospect. Lionsteel makes for a good example. Jack Wolf, being another. Even Rough Ryder, and more specifically, Rough Ryder Reserve both carry the technical classification of a modern-traditional. Rosecraft is no different. You have traditional slipjoint knives, made with modern materials, using modern methods. I view Rosecraft as the anti-Michael May. A ‘May is entirely handcrafted, with little to no machine-work involved, whereas a Rosecraft is almost entirely machined with very little hand-labour involved. A Michael May knife is also extremely unique. It looks, feels and acts like a completely custom knife, unlike any other. Rosecraft knives, on the other hand, offer a sterile perfection. There are many like it, but the degree of perfection they possess due to their heavily machined production is nearly unrivalled for the price. I prefer handcrafted, artisanal knives just as much as you, but I still welcome knives where I’m not stuck guessing whether or not they’ll be chock-full of flaws. Rosecraft, to me, offers a precision-made, quality product for a price that, frankly, is not that overpriced. I appreciate their perfection, even despite their sterility. Yes, I’d still rather collect artisan knives, regardless of their inconsistency. A. Wright’s, for example. They’re often far from perfect, if not downright poor in rare instances. But they have LIFE, a soul, as you said. They’re also true ‘traditionals’ with almost no machine-work and heavy focus on handcraft. They are, to me, a proper “traditional knife”. Now what was the point of this ramble? Well, I believe that you were (respectfully) approaching Rosecraft from the perspective of a quality, handcrafted knife, as opposed to a quality, machined piece. I understand why this misconception may occur, as in that interview you linked, Mr. Armstrong’s words could very well be seen as his claiming that Rosecraft Slipjoints were ‘handmade’ and requiring ‘200 steps’. As I noticed with Tim’s comment, that may have simply been poor wording on Andy’s part. However, I will say this, if a company attempts to sell you a product by misleading you into believing it was manufactured in a way that is false, I can absolutely understand and sympathise with the anger and buyer’s remorse one might experience. While I am curious to see what Andy has to say about these claims, (if he acknowledges them at all) I’ll still give him the benefit of the doubt, as I firmly believe in “innocent until proven guilty”. To summarise, I completely understand your dislike of Rosecraft’s style. I, too, find them lifeless when stacked up against a nice M. May or Lee White, but I still appreciate the level of perfection they boast, machined or not. That’s just my opinion on the matter, take it as you will. Anyways, this has certainly been a “controversial” video, but one that is still very much welcome. It’s always healthy having a voice that goes against the norm. So by all means, let your honesty shine through, no matter how "unpopular" it may be! Cheers, as always, my friend! 😊

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Brilliant thorough comment as always mate. I'd probably like the knife if it was portrayed correctly. I want a lionsteel modern traditional one day. My problem is not with the knife or the way its made. Its like you said theres catagories and they were blurring the lines. You would not compare a modern traditional like lionsteel Dom to a Case. You can't machine a knife and then hold it up to a traditional hand made knife. Plus Andy was trying to make out you cant get a knife like his for the price in America. Basically I watched that interview and said hold my beer

@TheKnifeRaven

2 ай бұрын

​@@SteelCityKnivesVery fair reasoning! If I'm told a knife features "genuine stag" and turns out to be imitation stag, I'll be upset, even if the knife is otherwise excellent. So if they were more open about being machined and thus, not attempting to stomp on the handcrafted traditional scene, I feel many of your issues with the brand wouldn't have been present. Also, I'd suggest the Lionsteel Dom or Jack, but perhaps steer clear of the Bestman! Cheers!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@TheKnifeRaven I'm just giving my opinion at the end of the day. And showing why I think it. I don't know why it's caused so much of a stir. And that's a problem also. When you can't voice an individual opinion with evidence, something is wrong somewhere. I've never said don't buy this knife. I've put in the comments - collect what makes you happy. Just not for me. Thanks for the recommendations on the lionsteel, mate! They have started selling them again over here. I really like the look of the Rams Horn. Thanks as always, mate 🤝

@ed.barker7069

2 ай бұрын

We all know they're not genuinely hand made unless they've been rolled by hand on the thigh of a Cuban woman. Oh sorry wrong thread.🤣🤣

@KnifeChatswithTobias

2 ай бұрын

It's nice that you give the spokesperson of RC the benefit of the doubt with his chosen words but he is actually quite the salesman and chose his words quite skillfully.

I've lost my tongue! I admire your honesty, Martin. And I'm so glad Swaggs isn't a man 😉😉 So good. I've watched it twice!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

😂🤣😂 She's definitely a woman. Thanks for the kind words

@Mid-Knife-Crisis69

2 ай бұрын

No problem. It was well put and you obviously know your mustard.​@SteelCityKnives

I’d like to see your take on Jack Wolf..I feel it would be a similar review but I’d like to see it

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Tbh I've not gotten an issue with JWK. I don't agree with the marketing practices, and he was probably the first to do the carpet bombing of knives. But he's been upfront with how they are made. He'd brought a lot of the modern guys into the traditional world. My issue with RC was that even though they are all denying it now. They were leading us to believe they were made traditionally and then comparing themselves on the QC to traditional knives. Which is completely unrealistic and unfair bar to set. Plus, Andy made the comment that it's a falicy that we can produce knives in this country to this QC and price. JWK never made digs at the cutlery industry like that. They were transparent in their manufacturing processes. I have a video out on JWK. It was part of our travelling knife series. I say the knives are not for me because of the price. I think I put 3 premium traditional knives up and say....which one would you want. One JWK or these 3. But I commend him all the way through for taking on big the companies. I think I also say I'd rather have a lipnsteel as they are cheaper and made in Italy. But other than that, I think it's a positive review.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

If Rosecraft were more honest with how they were manufactured. Also, Andy didn't make the comment about producing knives in the States. I may have a different perspective on the company. I wish more people would watch his interview.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I'll be honest. I was also trying not to rock the boat on that video. It was early on for me on youtube. I thought I was going to catch a bit of flack for that. But it's probably a PC version.

@TBEDC

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives I definitely think they are overpriced..charging their customers way more than that should be..I hear they make a 60% profit on a China knife but that’s speculation

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@TBEDC To be honest, mate. I'm about ready to sack all China knives off. I feel bad as some of the first knives I collected were RRs. But the only China knife I've bought in a while was the RC. Like you said, I feel companies are using China to get more profit. I'd rather pay a bit more. Get a knife that I know where it's come from. Supporting proper cutlery companies. I like watching the knife Doctor. He just says straight up. I don't buy Chinese stuff. End of, no drama.

Fair enough, mate. Faces, Too Bad . . . we just didn't have the right accent Right, A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Good album and a true statement. Always enjoy your comments Zen 😂 🫡 👊

@Zen_Ali_123

2 ай бұрын

Had to watch it twice and send an email 😂

Great video. I've learned a lot. I am a bit concerned about the ambassador thing. Are we getting overly favourable reviews from trusted reviewers? It sure does does look like a Brother Knife.

@SteelCityKnives

25 күн бұрын

Cheers, Paul. Thanks for this comment, mate. I think that's the way the knife scenes going where they gift knives out to get the publicity. Flood social media with their product. I'm not a fan of that, gets a bit too much of the same thing. Variety is the spice of life😂

ROSECRAFT are made in the Boker Plus factory

@SteelCityKnives

3 күн бұрын

Sorry for the late reply. I don't think they share factories as competition. I'm pretty sure it's Brother making these as they produce knives very similar. And they don't seem to be making their stuff as much. They will not want to disclose who makes them though. Cheers mate 👊

Id gladly buy it from you

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Congys knife sales has one up for £45 atm here in the UK.

@dj_spade

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives none here in the USA can’t find any wonder if they ship to us

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@dj_spade I bet he would if you covered the cost of the delivery. There is no harm in asking. It's called Congys knife sales.

@dj_spade

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnivesthank you I’ll try

Bloody hell mate. Like you I'll be honest. What a load of tripe. Sorry they rejected you but get over it. 👍☘️

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Paddy, you know I respect you and are a big fan. It's just my opinion. I don't want sponsors for my channel, not everyone has them. That's why I always state it's a hobby channel, and I'm not here to sell anything. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just not for me. I'm a multi skilled maintenance engineer with Pepsico. It's a very well-paid job. This channel costs me money. I miss over time so I can make videos at double time atm. It's a passion.✌️

@paddyspotatopeelers2154

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives I still will enjoy your history videos mate but you said you asked to be a ambassador for them but we're told they had to many. 👍☘️

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@paddyspotatopeelers2154 I'll be completely honest with you, mate. I was curious if there was a form of contract. Andy told me he didn't want me talking about SMKW. I just wondered how much freedom was allowed in being an ambassador. If there was anything else that was not allowed to be spoken of. I'm just curious, that's all. Slick made one negative comment about JWK, and they stopped sending them. I'm not nieve. I know how the world works. I have a curious brain... I like to know how things work.

It takes more skill to run a CNC machine than you think...

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I trained as a multiskilled maintenance engineer. I appreciate CNC machining. We did a brief CAD course. I had to do lathe and milling. You know the point I was making. I'm not dismissing machining.

Yes of course unless you like them.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

If you like them...you like them. It's a functional knife at the end of the day. But how long until another company realises how to make them just like RC. Then, handmade traditional knives may be a thing of the past. As you guys believe, a machine made knife warrants the same amount of money as a handmade knife. What's it say to all the cutlers out there we prefer perfect fit and finish knife to a handmade knife. Nothing good will come of this for the knives I enjoy to collect. This will not preserve the way cutlery is made or improve it. They are here to stay thanks to all you guys. I just hope you all know what you are doing? Andy and RC thinks traditional cutlery is the look and style of the knife. To me, traditional also means it is traditionally made. Let's see how it all pans out. I'm happy with what side I'm on.

I kind of like the acoustic snap closing noise, but I completely agree about it being soulless. Fantastic video and points!!!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Thanks brother 👊 I've just gone on your channel. Gardening, knives, and cigars....brilliant. Do you not post anymore? Thanks for the support and comment!

@SurfMonkeyCoconut

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives Haha! Woah, thanks for asking!!! I dont really interact or upload too much anymore. BUT I just filmed a few slip joint "shorts" this morning and after a few edits I plan to upload 4 over the weekend and next week. I got the itch to do this from watching your and other channels in this community over the last few months! As you probably know, the biggest problem is maintaining that fire to do actual videos, because it takes A LOT of effort! Maybe I'll just do more casual videos. I mean really though! I love people that speak the truth, so props to you! Im going to go through your older vids this weekend. I've seen other commenters saying everyone knows RCB is manufactured differently, well no; I didn't. I had a gut feeling something was odd, but I couldn,t identify it it. I thought it had more to do with the cold, sharp cornered metal or weight, not realizing its the construction itself. The only other knife I have that is similar to RCB is the Rough Ryder Apta. It also has that nice acoustic, but they are upfront about it and state its a "modern take on a traditional knife". These type of knives need their own category, but of course that would probably work against them for marketing...the onus is on the buyer, but hey, it seems some people in the comments really like Rosecraft!

Great video mate, I wonder what Andy’s response will be… 👀

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I'm not a big enough channel to make a ripple 😂🤣. Thanks for the kind words. 👊

I think Im with you on this one maybe thats why I love the castle burg series so much and knives like them... good take forsure.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Where you been 🤣😂🤣. I was missing ya😂! How's the new place? All settled in now, I suppose. Hope you're doing good, brother? 👊

@donc5220

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives The new place is Great ! Having some medical Issues , test n what not right now. Havent been able to afford knives Ive wanted they taxing us to death in Canada haha Ive been good though just flying under yhe radar if i watch too much Ill end up spending 🤣

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I hope everything goes well, Don. I'm thinking of you, brother! I know what you mean about watching and then spending 😂. Keep us posted, mate? 👊

Bloody shocker of a knife, mate. Send it up to me and I'll dispose of it appropriately. That Case looks a bit tasty mind. Swings and roundabouts. Swings and roundabouts.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I'm thinking of breaking it open and really having a good look at it. I love the Case! Good hearing from you, Ian! 👊

@ianrosie4431

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives You too, mate. Do the Ambassadors have to declare themselves when they're shillin'?

@SteelCityKnives

9 күн бұрын

​@ianrosie4431 Hi mate. Just saw I didn't reply to this. They should, in my opinion, but they don't. I'm going to mention this issue on my next video, I think. If any youtuber gets a knife for Free they should disclose that to the viewer in my mind. Because the seller/maker could hand pick it. We wouldn't get that service. That's why they should tell us. Cheers mate 👊

I have watched a few videos posted by BigRedEDC and really liked the look of Rosecraft knives funnily enough I made the comment that I prefer brass liners in slip joints, hmm now I know why Rosecraft don't have them, also I thought they were over priced, they do seem to do attractive bone covers, still now I know the truth about their manufacture I am never going to buy one. Just to say after watching your tour video I checked out Michael May website left two queries and not received reply not the way to do business he has lost a sale now. Stay being honest my friend you will have plenty of support. 😁

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Hi Lewis 👋 M. May is a hard man to track down. I've tried calling a few times and still have not gotten through. The Sheffield lot are really good cutlers but terrible salesmen 😂. They don't do themselves any favours 😂. Bare with him. It's just him and a guy called James. I know it's frustrating....Trust me I know😂. Hope you're doing good though? Good to hear from you! 👊

@lewisgreenway5065

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives Hello Martin my friend quick update for you, Michael May emailed me today he has Welsh Rams Horn in stock but not Real Lambsfoot knife, he asked if I would like to order one and I sent back saying yes please, I was not going to bother but now he emailed me I am happy to buy, its for sentimental reasons my Father always had a Real Lambsfoot knife and kept Welsh sheep on our small farm regularly trimmed their feet to stop foot rot, so a knife with Welsh Rams horn will be a lovely reminder of past days. I will send you photos when I get it. 😁

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Brilliant way to honour your father. Sounds like a brilliant knife! I need to email him. Did he have many?

@lewisgreenway5065

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives Michael said he had Welsh Rams horn but no Lambsfoot so he would have to manufacture one for me, sounds like they are only made to order, again I don't know how much Welsh Rams Horn he has in stock, I was tempted to go for an ergonomic in Cherry if he had no Welsh Rams Horn, it will be the most expensive knife I ever buy for sure but o have one made for you is pretty special I think. 😁

Rosecraft Knives are among the best knives on the market. It seems the Chinese are taking over the knife market at almost every level. They can build a Sebenza, with better action, for $40, shipped.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

It all depends on what you are looking for, I suppose. It's very subjective. They are just not for me. I can see why people like them. All power to them. It's like people won't by Case because of their own experiences with them. I won't by Rosecraft because of my own experience with them.

Why don't you tell us what you thought of it.😂 Nice to hear a different point of view. There are too many channels sucking the dick of whoever sends them free knives and it's a refreshing change to hear a genuine enthusiast explain why he doesn't like some of the tactics that are involved. I'll be honest I haven't paid much attention to Rosecraft blades because they simply haven't appealed to me but it sounds as though someone's had a look at Jackwolf knives and thought " I'll have a go at that" but not been so successful. Now let's get back to our wonky Arthur Wrights and limp lettuce Michael May's. 😂😂

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Believe it or not, this was my nice version 😂🤣. I like what Bear and Son did....made the exact knife and priced it about the same. But American made😂. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Andy 🇺🇸 👊

@Mid-Knife-Crisis69

2 ай бұрын

A Jack Wolf it is not 😉

From what I’ve seen in reviews, I do think RCB look like they have nailed it when it comes to the dyed bone. Hope you’re all good brother 👍🏻

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

You gotta give it to them. They can dye bone. Looks sweet. Hope you're goid, Stu? 👊

@RandysWSG

2 ай бұрын

Stu!!!!

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Get him back on the discord, Randy. Your missed Stu!!

@RandysWSG

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives 100% Love and miss ya both over there!

One thing...SMKW has absolutely nothing to do RC or its owner. They also do not sell them.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

I thought I made that very clear. I was praising SMKW for the work they are doing with American cutlers. I love SMKW. Very loyal to them. I hope to visit one day. The majority of RC were employed by SMKW and are now in direct competition with them. They stabbed the company in the back, which helped them get where they are now. It's happened before in the cutlery industry, and I'm sure it won't be the last time it happens.

@KnifeChatswithTobias

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives , my apologies. I misheard you. I need to go back and watch again. Thanks for the reply.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@KnifeChatswithTobias It's probably me, mate. Bit of a rushed video. Hence, there is not much editing. I never thanked you for bringing the Frost cutlery thing to everyone's attention. I'm loyal to SMKW. I think they have created knife lovers paradise. They listen to their customers. Their prices are fair. I just wished they delivered to the UK 😂. Thank you, Tobias 🫡 👊

Well said.

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

Cheers William 👊

And I agree and bear and sons.... While you're at it try handmade French Laguiole.

@SteelCityKnives

3 күн бұрын

I've got a Laguiole. I like them to admire but unsure if I'd ever carry one. 👊

Well done for speaking up I've tried to do that with another knife company I told them about their knives what they was selling an hour bad they was I emailed the company and called the company they was gonna get back to me and I'm still waiting 3 years later nearly but people still promote these knives cause they get them for free they don't care they cost me just short of 600 lb and that was without postage Jack the Ripper of knives I'm sure you know what I mean and they was very bad fit and finish the worst of the worst pivot centre in didn't even line up but we live and learn

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Aliexpress have clones of JWK now for £80. I bet you wouldn't be able to spot the difference 😂. That's the beauty of Slipjoints it's a skilled process. It's not so easy to rip off. Thanks for the comment! 👊

I think I agree with you I've got three or four roads crafts and that was a wanna give away cos I wasn't keen on that one and I've got lots of custom knives Arthur Wright Taylor's eye witness GEC Northfields and Jack Wolf or should we say Jack the Ripper off knives but I think rough rider makes one of the prettiest pocket knives I've ever seen I'm not saying that the best pocket knife but they are very pretty and well worth it

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Collect what makes you happy that's what I say. I couldn't carry this personally, though. But only because it makes a mockery of hand made cutlery. But that's my personal opinion. Thanks for the comment, mate! 👊

You’re a romantic Martin!

@Mid-Knife-Crisis69

2 ай бұрын

Elan 😂😂

@elanrhys3178

2 ай бұрын

@@Mid-Knife-Crisis69 He makes a great point, my Boker and Michael May makes me glee

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Far from it....ask the Mrs 😂🤣. I just know quality and skill. Rosecraft have neither. But if people want to pay premium prices for machined made China knives. More decent knives for me. Just don't say I didn't warn you. 🫡 👊

@elanrhys3178

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives Like you, I also buy the fairtrade label bananas and that matters to me

@Mid-Knife-Crisis69

2 ай бұрын

​@@elanrhys3178Totally agree.

The funny thing is your video attests to the crap in Rosecrap and yet people will still like them..smh

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

All we can do is voice our opinions. Unfortunately, we are the minority Rich. America lost a lot of good Cutlery brands throughout the years. Gone forever. It can always happen again. RCs not part of the solution. They're the problem. Keep fighting the good fight, brother!!😂 💪

@TBEDC

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives hey I agree bro..I agree!

@TBEDC

2 ай бұрын

No “craft” here just crap 🤷🏽

This whole shtick reminds me of buggy whip manufacturers decrying the automobile. I personally like integral, there's fewer things to go wrong. I appreciate your right to your feelings, but you're bordering on accusing people of nefarious intent. Nonsense

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Watch the interview on my community page of Andy Armstrong and then get back to me. If you enjoy them all, power to you. Not once did I say not to buy them. I have a hobby channel. I always state I'm not here to sell you anything. I enjoy knives. I was giving my opinion and then have supplied an interview in which I derived that opinion. I spent my own money on that knife, and I made a review. We are entitled to free speech, my friend. If Rosecraft have a problem, they have my contact information ✌️

@KennethKellogg-kt7bf

2 ай бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives I've seen it and I don't share your interpretation of his words. You don't like the product, fine, I get it. But the energy you're putting into defending what you claim is just an opinion is getting unseemly. I'm not a fan of hyperbolic character assassination. FWIW I'm not dropping my subscription, I'm just an old fart telling you this is way past being cringey already. If that makes me a bad guy, so be it, but knife shaming used to be frowned upon....

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@KennethKellogg-kt7bf Knife shaming is still very much present. Your man Andy does it well...."the biggest fallacy in this country is we can produce a knife in America that's this price and you just can't do it. You can't get this quality for this price". That's a direct quote...word for word. Check the new American made Queen knives out. I think they answered Andy very well. They are not only hand made in America but cheaper than most of RC knives. I love traditional made knives. I won't stand by why every keeps comparing them to a machine made knife. It's an unrealistic bar that can't be matched by human hand. If that's what you like, then fair enough fill your boots. But dont try and sell me one and expect me to go along with the lie. I "interpreted Andy wrong" has been said. This is the only company I have come across that was open to interpretation. All other companys you know what you're getting. It shouldn't be misleading. That was my point.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

@KennethKellogg-kt7bf It was good discussing this with you, mate. I could talk knives for days 😂. Have a good rest of your weekend!

I personally think there crap, great designs but only capable of producing D2. Rosecrap knives act like D2 is the best thing on earth. I’m over here like “wtf?!” People who do not use there knives don’t realize when you actually use them, poof, rust everywhere. To each there own, and that’s fine. But I’m not trying to buy a knife, so I can constantly take care of it and always wipe it down with oil. D2 belongs on tools not knives. You want a good hard steel, go with K390 , go with something, that won’t rust when you sweat on it . I’d take 440c over D2 any day of the week. At least it won’t end with me looking at rust. D2= Gross 🤮 Yes it’s my opinion, so don’t get all but hurt in the comments people 😂 😂😂😂😂

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

How many other folding knife companies use K390 other than Spyderco out of interest? I can honestly say I've never tried it. But I've heard really good things about it. Cheers brother 👊

Should've been edited down to 10 mins or less. Ramble on 😂 Chinese copies of trad style is getting tiresome when the real stuff is available for less or more.

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

Well said 👊🫡 I can ramble on with the best of them 😂. Brilliant comment

@Robert_Thomas832

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your reply. The rambling is pretty good 👊

@SteelCityKnives

Ай бұрын

@@Robert_Thomas832 👊

You got rejected man, get over it. Oh by the way they sell out all their knives.

@SteelCityKnives

2 ай бұрын

Your comment is much appreciated. 👊

So you got turned down and now you are trying, very pathetically, to get back at Rosecraft.

@SteelCityKnives

10 күн бұрын

You think what you want. It's a free world. I'm not on here for that. That's why I've not monetised my channel. I've received one knife for free, and I deliberated over that. That was from Copper Cutlery. There is no expectation to do a video on that knife. Still haven't done one. KZread costs me money if anything. I'm not on here for free stuff.

@preppy890

10 күн бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives very quick to defend something I never even mentioned. Have a better day Bud.

@SteelCityKnives

9 күн бұрын

​@preppy890 I'm loving life at the moment. Another baby on the way 😊. Preppy, I mentioned lots of positives about this knife and company. I also never said do not buy this knife. Buy what makes you happy is my moto. Just my opinion on the knife and company. I'm happy with my stance on this company and I stick by it. You have a good day too mate 👊

@preppy890

9 күн бұрын

@@SteelCityKnives congratulations! I wish you, your wife and the baby nothing but the best.

@SteelCityKnives

9 күн бұрын

@@preppy890 Thanks mate 🙏