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Scythia would be SSS+ tier if the unit pathfinding properly worked half the time :D

@omidfarrokhzad463

Ай бұрын

Trueee

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

Armenia with their Cataphract Horse Archers and Legionaries make a really good contender for op horse archer faction, since they have great heavy infantry to support the pathfinding nerfed but still best horse archers

@umaraziz1360

Ай бұрын

hey spiff!

@LethalOwl

Ай бұрын

Did not expect the Brit to roll into Rome.

@simpicusmaximus

Ай бұрын

Scythia is unironically OP tier. With their basic tier 1 unit you can massacre across the entire campaign map in all directions

Eastern Infantry were the OG Skavenslaves.

@Gritty1983

Ай бұрын

Id argue even skaven slaves last longer in combat which is sad

@user-ws2rh2vd4l

Ай бұрын

Honestly skavenslaves are just better in every single way than eastern infantry but still kind of right

@SplendidFactor

Ай бұрын

@@Gritty1983 They also have the expendable trait, which means losing them won't affect the leadership of nearby units if routed or destroyed. Eastern Infantry were infamous for causing mass routs.

@R3GARnator

Ай бұрын

@@Gritty1983 If you have a general with a lot of stars nearby, they will fight near to the death. I used them to guard the flanks of hoplites.

@easytanksgaming3238

Ай бұрын

Most important, skavenslaves are eeeextremely chep and costs u about 0-30 gold per unit. Pijamaboyz cost u for 100 dinars((

Brutii are the best. When you hire mercenaries, they actually are part of your color scheme still.

@goodguyjack

Ай бұрын

Invincible argumentation my silver tounged friend

@privet20gremlin36

Ай бұрын

​@@goodguyjack you wanna say they are a Seleucid

@matthewsteele99

Ай бұрын

Me when I hire every unit of Samnites, peltasts, and slingers I can get my hands on

@geraintthomas4343

Ай бұрын

To me that's a disadvantage, when it's harder to tell where your expensive throwaway units are 🤣

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

Their temples are S+. They have health (which is pop growth + happienes), law (which is happieness + reducing corruption) and the experience temple (0/1/2/3/sth to all stats). Julii have pop growth (which is half of health), happieness (which is just dogshit, AND dionisos makes your generals drunk) and some other throwaway temple I forgor. Don't make me even mention the Scipii sea temple.

Is Mr. Legend currently experiencing a bout of sweet nostalgia?

@Airplane38531

Ай бұрын

Lack of cash😢

@ZachAlaska907

Ай бұрын

Nostalgia for that paycheck

@goldblood8471

Ай бұрын

I believe It all started when he play manor lord

@orseonovakovic8521

Ай бұрын

he just doesn't want to cover WH3 until the DLC since he has no early access and everyone wants to see content covering the DLC so the WH3 videos wouldn't perform well.

@trev6783

Ай бұрын

I assumed it was desire to take a break from WH3 until the DLC comes out. But his bank account doesn't want to take a break from content creation :).

I really miss being able to just have armies without generals, so convenient

@Kilen_BE

Ай бұрын

Yeah that was the good old time I agree, so much more freedom than what Rome2 did after. But there was technical reasons if I recall, and it was too easy to cheat the movement as well. Probably would have been better to let the player decide but well, we got used to it.

@user-ws2rh2vd4l

Ай бұрын

Some of the features were just better in Rome and medieval mostly that casualties actually count

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

I dont miss the just infinite ai money cheat death stacks though

@RigobertosTacoShop

Ай бұрын

Agreed. So agreed.

@nullifye7816

Ай бұрын

@@Kilen_BE I didn't get used to it, I stopped playing Total War :P

Dude, talking about the Roman specialist units. I remember as a kid noticing that war dog instantly replace casualties as long as the dog handlers don't die. So i just had a full stack of war dogs following the army, pop a hole into the wall, and let the horde of fluffs murder everyone. Use the regular army to mop up any survivors lol Only thing is you have to be sure to order the handlers back after the dogs charge, once the dogs start fighting the handlers try to engage again so gotta pull em back twice.

@Ne1vaan

Ай бұрын

Yeah war dogs were OP as fuck if you knew how to use them. Amazing.

@goldflame3390

Ай бұрын

Always left them as garrisons, and if a town came under siege, I would sally out every turn, release the dogs, and then quit the battle with everyone inside the city. The AI always takes forever to assault cities, so you could do a lot of damage for cheap upkeep

@badonkadonk6655

Ай бұрын

@@goldflame3390 Learned a lot from this comment! Just started Rome 1 and I only heard that dogs were OP. Didn't get an explanation why. Didn't help that it was pricy haha. Now I know :D

@Mahfireballs

Ай бұрын

Yeah also only 50 denarii upkeep and lowest manpower draw so really economically too minimise casualties. But they can't turn the tide of the battle and they happily chase a single routing entity of the map and the edge of the world. Also they take 2 turns to recruit which is a real big dowside especially given in Rome I every city no matter the size can only recruit one unit a turn. But yeah nice unit which certainly has it's uses. I think it's the cheapest unit (together with the diplomat) which makes them a good option to put in forts (especially depleted units).

Every time Legend shaves his balls we get another tier list 🤣

Germans just have too good of a roster to be put on D tier. Tier 1 spammable phalanx, ok axe and shield infantry, big axe bois, berserkers, good archers and even good cavalry

@hukutka94

Ай бұрын

best barbarian cavalry :)

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

For battles / lategame they are definetely super beasts, but their starting location is quite terrible. If not for player advantage when you are playing them against dumb AIs, Gaul would stomp them. They have like 4 poor cities and Gaul has like 7 or 8.

@xaero98

Ай бұрын

I cried when he placed them at the bottom. They are my favorite ever

@LoneWanderer727

Ай бұрын

The German roster is overrated and their economy sucks. Their starting regions are shit, surrounded by potential enemies

@Edzter

28 күн бұрын

@@MajkaSrajka funly enough it's the britons who come after germans first. And phalanxes are just too good at defending, no amount of warband spam can beat it. That alone gives enough time to build an offensive army.

Only a fool would meet The Parthian in an open field.

@Fastwinstondoom

Ай бұрын

aka Crassus xD

@Moneo_Atreides

Ай бұрын

The light red square can do it !

@reavercity568

Ай бұрын

One army, a real army united behind one leader with one purpose

@nullifye7816

Ай бұрын

Corbulo did it pretty successfully. Absolute madlad.

@asdasd4935

Ай бұрын

Huns cares not.

*sighs* fine, I'll load up Rome 1 and add to my 6000+ hours

at 12:18 correction: Macedon starts with the province with Statue of Zeus (Corinth), not Greek City States, but players with the GCS are able to very easily take said province

@wolfgangroddewig

Ай бұрын

Yeah. The Greeks start with the Colossus of Rhodes. Which is good for them since they rely on ships a lot early game too

@MrMenuga

Ай бұрын

I was about to say same thing but then I was wait a second I am pretty sure it's not only me how notice that Error from LegendofTotalWar

Germania gets one of the best unit rosters in the game with Chosen Archers, Chosen Axemen, Gothic Cavalry and ever hilarious but effective Berserkers. They should at least be C Tier. Also all factions in BI can reach tier 5 settlements. The Alemani and its copies get one of the best rosters in the game (i would honestly argue the best). They get chosen axemen who are an absolute wrecking ball against other all infantry in that game, their first tier archer unit Lombard Archers are a great long range units, Burgundian Lancers are one of the best fast shock cav units. The only thing they don't get is horse archers.

@Grivehn

Ай бұрын

I was curious what he thinks about German berserkers, but then he didnt even mention them. May not be as powerful on highest difficulty, but they were the first doomstacks of my childhood. Had such a fun watching cavemen with big clubs beating up entire armies whilst rampaging and barely lose models.

@newname4941

Ай бұрын

D Tier for Germania ist Madness indeed, their roster is insane, Chosen axemen destroy everything and both Cav as well as archers are really good as well. Not to mention having by far the best Spear unit of it's tier.

@Tricerius

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the argument for C as Gauls but D for Germania doesn't make sense. Sure, Gaul starts with a bunch of territory, but it is guaranteed to fight the Julii, the Britons tend to attack you, the spaniards do too from memory, and Germania is a fourth possible enemy. Not to mention the distance to cover versus the Julii. Germania has a far easier early game by comparison, even if they're nominally weaker. Gauls do have foresters which are better than chosen archers, and chosen swordmen are pretty good. But chosen axemen are no joke and they have far better cavalry in the gothic cavalry. And most critically, the German early game is far better thanks to phalanx warband. So, with an arguably comparable roster and just easier time as Germania, it would be better reflected with inverted rankings in my opinion.

@genericcommenter1267

Ай бұрын

Also he didn't mention the fact that their spear warband are phalanx units and if I remember correctly they are the highest entity phalanx unit in the game and definitely not the worst stat wise. It means even late game they can utilise their early game units to hold the line pretty well for heavy cav or shock infantry to do the damage

@dragonzd97

Ай бұрын

@@genericcommenter1267 successor state pikes have the inflated entity size as well.

Can’t believe legend didn’t mention Britannia’s most OP unit, head hurlers

Was actually hoping for a Legend Rome tier list the other day. Nice

Oh no, step horde, what are you doing?

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

Steppe daddy right from Mongolia 😆

@TheRewasder97

12 күн бұрын

Well, if a horde can settle down, than they are definitely a step horde. And it's going to do funny things with your back door.

Last comment: The Saxons also can't become a horde, like the Celts. And the Franks while not having strong cavalry, are able to build some of the highest tech buildings, and paladins from Christian abbey buildings, as you saw years ago in the "Last Frank Saving Disaster Campaign" are actually pretty good cavalry

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

I think the Remastered version and most mods give Saxons and Allemani horde ability, he might not have remembered what was in the vanilla og

@wolfgangroddewig

Ай бұрын

Forgot that about saxons, but remembered about allemani

@wolfgangroddewig

Ай бұрын

The thing is though those historically speaking weren’t horde migrating during the period, it’s a in game disadvantage but it was the design for historical purposes

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

@@wolfgangroddewig of them only the Celts didnt mass migrate: Anglo-Saxons had large movement across the North Sea into Britain, and Allemani had a mass movement south and west into Southern France and Switzerland (fascinating period of abandoned Romanised Germanic villas left behind in the old Alleman territory)

Armenia has decent infantry in the form of Heavy Spearmen and Legionaries. Not the best, but certainly a step up from Parthia.

@aamil93

15 күн бұрын

AND cataphract archers, which are the game's tanks, killing every other missile they can't catch, and destroying almost any melee unit when correctly used (unless egiptyan light axe horses appear, those guys are a pain in the ...)

At last, the tier list we've all been waiting for!

Never forget my first total war epic campaign painting the map glorious silver with the selucids! Thanks for the memories and nostalgia Legend!

Appreciated, I dabbled with the franchise as back as the first Shogun, but I don't have the playtime you do by any means, so really appreciating the chance to hear your thoughts!

All the way back to Rome Total War. Now this great. Hopefully this will lead to more historical tier lists in the future.

This is a blast from the past…I played Rome as a kid. I remember using commands to cheat more money, and the spartan phalanxes being insane LOL. It’s the only total war I played from then until Warhammer 2

@arthurdaffos1490

Ай бұрын

The remastered version has a great version, called RTR Imperium Surrectum, go check it out if you dont know about it.

@rennscott5808

Ай бұрын

If you like the total war formula theres some real gems in the interum but i think the only one your missing that maxes out the fun is medieval 2 total war and fall of the samurai

@howardlam6181

Ай бұрын

I couldn't play that game pass Marian Reform. Once I got it I already became invincible... There was no challenge. But at the same time, I didn't feel like playing Barbarians because it doesn't make sense to me to go backwards on things.

@mickethegoblin7167

Ай бұрын

No Med2?

Dacia's Falx troops absolutely wreck for the price. Germania was always the best Barbarian faction. Their infantry is incredibly powerful and varied... I mean their Spear Warband is a phalanx and OP AND cheaper than Hoplites. German Chosen Axemen have proven to slice trough even heavy Roman Infantry and one unit of Berserkers will smash most weak infantry. Seleucid were always my favorite Greek faction. They are a challenge for the location, but have the most amazing roster potential and money making location.

@StavrosGiol

Ай бұрын

Yeah, their placement is kinda weird. Spear Warband can hold the line much better than other basic barbarian Warband, they have access to decent heavy cav in the form of Gothic Cavalry (although if i recall correctly they are a temple unit, not a stable one) and Chosen Axemen is the only infantry unit in the game along with Spartans that can beat Urbans 1 to 1. Strictly tactically, the best "orthodox" barbarian roster.

@Vandelberger

Ай бұрын

@@StavrosGiol You are correct. Germania is at least a B in my opinion. I conquered the whole world as Germania once lol.

@StavrosGiol

Ай бұрын

@@Vandelberger Yeah, Germanic cataclysm of Western Europe 600 years early is always fun! I'm not sure about B though, more inclined towards best of C. A lot of trash territories, so the player has to beeline towards Italy to get going, which means a lot of ongoing wars.

@Vandelberger

Ай бұрын

@@StavrosGiol Ah, I try and conquer all of Gaul and British before I ever push south. England has the Stone hedge buff but it has been so long since I played. It’s true the buildings and technical development are meh. I feel like they should all get access to level 4 buildings just make Barbarians take longer.

I played this game for like an hour but I'm watching because I just love tier lists and your vids.

Regarding the original RTW, the Dacians deserve C tier IMHO. A lot of people seem to be sleeping on the fact that they are THE ONLY FACTION (along with Scythians, but they don't need them) that can train archers from initial practice range, and archers can provide a massive boost in early game. Also, quick access to Thessalonica and Chosen Swordsmen. In terms of BI, if i remember correctly, Huns can't build ports (at least in the original), and if that stands they should be getting a B for shit economy.

@hukutka94

Ай бұрын

Oh, yeah! The reason why I played Dacia was the early archers, now I remember! It was great :)

@user-jb2sn6bs4m

21 күн бұрын

Ah.. dacia.. usually i would abandon my settlements and migrate them to greece.. get a macedon city and you're pretty much have the whole of dacia roster.

Legends been absolutely killing it recently, mans a reverse Samson, the more hair he loses the greater he becomes

LEGEND MAKING HISTORICAL TIER LIST??? HELL YEAH!!!

Gotta disagree about Macedon. Their infantry can punch way above their tier and you never have to actually lose a settlement because you have tier zero and tier one units. Ready access to steal all the world’s wonders is a nice touch, and can be really strong to get early. I don’t think they’re S tier but I think they’re better than Carthage

@J4R0D

Ай бұрын

Macedon is like Greece+ Longer spears Better cav Centralized location Actual heirs of Alexander

@Scaphism36

Ай бұрын

@@J4R0D pretty much. Basically unite Greece simulator

@MrThejograt

Ай бұрын

Light Lancer spam is insane ngl

Ohh buddy some old school Total War tier lists? I'm so down for that

I must protest, Armenia has their own legionaries and also cataphracts and cataphract archers. Pretty good roster PS The best Britannian unit are head hurlers, I just anihilated whole legions with them on my road to Italy

@martinlarsen7354

Ай бұрын

AFAIK they're the only ones who get Cataphract Archers.

@hukutka94

Ай бұрын

Head hurlers are great because of armor penetration, but they have really low number of shots to give IIRC

@hengineer

Ай бұрын

Yea I love playing Armenia because of its roster. It's basically an i.oroved Parthia with a worst starting position.

@MasterMind75427

26 күн бұрын

Armenia is probably strongest faction in the game if you stack full horse archers, you can win almost every battle without losses

@aamil93

15 күн бұрын

And bribing the parthian cataphracts into your service early on 😂, an expensive way, but you cripple your main threat right away

Man I used to love playing the Seleucid and the only non-Roman faction I did a world conquest with. Storming Egypt early game and heading up to cap Greece before the Roman’s establish a foothold gives you a massive advantage.

@donpablitojuarez4640

Ай бұрын

The Selucid Empire is amazing to play as

I so wish to see you play some Greek or Macedon RTW 1 campaign utilizing those long spears and pikes instead of usual cavalry... that would be really a heroic victory on your channel in my eyes!

The Julii have a bug where the pantheon has worse modifier then the previous building level... Brutii has a pantheon that grants health that increases both population growth and happiness.

Fun stuff, I adored the o.g. RTW + Barbarian Invasion back in the day. With the powerhouse S & A tier factions you had, the Seleucids had the rough start with a crisis that can easily pile up. The Seleucids can make some good money, have a good roster, but they're in a central position with rivals at every major compass direction.

Seleucids were always my favorite faction to play, mostly for the reasons you outlined. Very challenging starting position with lots of fires to put out early on, but once you consolidated things you could push to monopolize the SE corner of the map and get ready to deal with Rome. That and their very strong roster, idk I just always had the most fun with them. That said, definitely not easy street the way the S tier factions are, so fair enough on the ranking.

Watching this list and the Medieval II one despite not playing either game. I watch because he clearly knows his stuff and highlights the differences between each faction very well.

@JakeBaldwin1

Ай бұрын

He did undervalue Germainia and the Franks in my opinion.

5:01 Scipii had the best navy because they can build Neptun temple, god of oceans.

HELL YES MORE ROME TOTAL WAR CONTENT I JUST STARTED PLAYING IT AGAIN ITS VERY HARDER THAN MEDEIVAL 2 ON VERY HARD DIFICULTY IN MY OPINION

Germania has an interesting roster that’s much better than - for example - Gaul’s. Their basic spear unit has phalanx ability which makes settlement defense child’s play against other non-roman factions, and it’s axe wielding units are made to open up legionaries like tin cans. And they get berserkers, night raiders, gothic cav. Sure they are a barbarian faction so don’t get anything past T3 settlements, but they are hardly a bottom tier faction.

Great list. I would only make 2 modifications. The Franks do have heavy cavalry, Paladins! I think they can get some stronger buildings by converting too. Bump to at least B. The second is the Alemanni because the berserkers are sooo broken for sieges. If you can get them blood thirst on the walls they will kill anything. Top tier roman units, dead, for a fraction of the cost. I've charged my own heavy Calvary into the backs of the berserks and then they turn around they just mow down heavy cavalry. Of course their weakness is archers. Their starting position is brutal also. I would bump to C at least.

I would win every battle in this game by getting a single pike unit as the Greek City States and putting them in the gate opening and enemies just instantly die 😊

@rickrockreggae3719

Ай бұрын

I further improved on this technique by destroying the walls. You can also just choke them in a city street close to your plaza. Then the AI wont siege and you get to keep your entire unit instead of losing them to attrition. Its how I always defend the northern border of the Seleucid Empire 😂.

@1krauterquark88

Ай бұрын

​@@rickrockreggae3719 why dont you just position a fitting army(enough hoplites and archers+ 1or2 cav) on the bdidges along the northern rivers(danube etc) i never had a peoblem with invasions afterwards. You obly need to know which crossings has how many ri ercrossings.

@rickrockreggae3719

Ай бұрын

@@1krauterquark88 well that means more expensive army + i still need soldiers to keep the peace in cities. So I minimise costs in the north to quickly squash egypt. Then send a force to the Parthia settlement and consolidate my position in the east. From there I only have to defend against the numidians, which will never be that scary. Then reshift the focus to north. Yours is a good one to, but to expensive for my taste, plus that army will have to refresh from time to time. But I do love me some bridge fights so I'll try it out next time. Nothing more delish then thousands of corpses strewn across the bridge and floating over the river 🤣

@1krauterquark88

Ай бұрын

@@rickrockreggae3719 if necessary you can go eith 2 units of hopltes/pikes and 1 cav per crossing/bridge on battemap. But against scythia you need something hat can deal damage.

Honestly Scipii is favourite: Greece is almost exactly as close as for Brutii, and your military bonuses start at temple level 1 and add up quickly, even your early game fresh recruit hastati wipe the floor because of the weapons bonus, and by the Marian Reforms and Civil War your Legionaries will come out with buffs so big they'll take on Urbans and Praetorians

@thomasriccio4873

Ай бұрын

Is it the Vulcan buffs that are better than the Mars ones?

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

@@thomasriccio4873 yeah Vulcan temples give blacksmith upgrades starting at tier 1 temples, its pretty sweet

Could you do a tierlist for total war attila factions

@DaddyLipinski

Ай бұрын

I second this

@Suffering4Success

Ай бұрын

I third it

Manscaped product tier list when?

Now this is quality content.

Could you do a similar tier list of rome 2? Big fan of the older historical total wars but never really got into rome 2/attilla. Might be a cool video to inform getting into those :)

A Tierlist about the Playable Historical battles please ^.^

11:45 I will never forget your Europa Babaoreum Seleucid playthrough! Good times. 14:00 Surprising pick 21:20 Finsih 24:45 Yeah, I remember how frightened you were when dealing with Clibernarii in your western Roman Empire campaign. 28:20 Legend confused 33:25 When I played the Romans, my super expensive army got smashed by babarians. After that, I only used my only cav armies to conquer Germania:D Surely, it was my fast time playing a TW game but I still think that pikes are just more intuitiv and beginner friendly. Therefore, I would give Greeks S tier because they are easy to handle.

I was waiting for this for sooooo long Thank you

Winning with Gaul on vh/vh was probably my most satisfying campaign I ever played

Damn the Nostalgia is hitting hard with this one!

Would enjoy watching a playthrough of the Rome TW remaster. Its been a long time since you played the original

YES!! MORE OF THIS

This game was my childhood and got me into history.

the thing with scythia, their entire playstyle is about being fast, your cavalry is fast in campaign and in battle, you develop fast and you recruit fast. it is better to bring strong tier 3(the roster level would be 4 and the settlement is the value of 2) in masses against tier 4/5 or 1:1 against tier 2 than to bring tier 5 against tier 5. a battle between high level units is costly and not what you would want, and with scythia’s speed in easy mode you can win the campaign before your faction leader dies(he is starts fifty years old or so) without much effort.

Ze Gemania are always awesome in mowing down cavalery with their uber cheap pikemen. And the fact they use phalanx will not stop being funny :)

1:00 That is the best add I have saw. You have to do that more often

aaaah good old time Rome Total War was my first TW game, such good memories.

Some things I'd personally change: - Seleucids in S above Egypt, or at the very least at the top of A tier. Their roster is awesome, apart from camels they have access to everything (chariots, melee inf, hoplites, pikes, heavy cav, they have it all). Their starting position is weak, but Greeks have an easy time defending with the pikemen so you'll really unlikely lose any cities even if the whole world around you attacks you. They also start with 2 wonders and have easy access to 2 more, and another 2 when you defeat Egypt: so you'll easily own 6 of the 7 wonders. And their culture allows for big empires easily as well. - Goths are alright in B tier, but I'd say at the bottom or top of C. They can horde, and should since all other horde factions (Huns, Vandals, Roxolani, Sarmatians) will walk past your only settlement and probably want to raid it. So you're better off packing your things and leaving straight away. This causes another issue, since the Goths are the only barbarian faction in the game that start Christian, while pretty much the whole world around you is still Pagan. - I'd switch Germania and Britannia around. The brits do have chariots, but no other cav. Also no archers, heavy spears or pikes so their heavy inf is a bit without support (only slingers and head hurlers). Germania on the other hand has pikes, as well as a bunch of different infantry units and heavy cav (Gothic Cav). With Night Raiders and Screaching Women you can lower enemy morale and boost your own, which is very important in a game like Rome 1 where morale can often be the deciding factor. - Franks should be in B tier I think. Even though they don't have horse archers, their melee infanty selection is really good and their Paladin cavalry is among the best in the game. They also have easy access to Western Roman lands or take out the Saxons and/or Allemani who both cannot horde. - Spanish above Dacians. Dacians are bland beyond bland, at least with Scutarii and Bull Warriors the Spanish have some more punch and flavour than the genericness of Dacia. Other than that agreed with the rest. P.S. The barbarians in BI can build up to tier 5.

Will be nice to see you playing a This is total war game with one of the D factions. That would be a nice challenge!

See, when i play the 3 Roman factions, yes i expand in the direction you're guided to, but i also send units around the other 2 to snipe territory from them. basically I try and limit their expansion as much as possible so that the civil war is much easier

Legend I know you didn’t like Rome total war remastered, but you would absolutely love the Imperium Serectum mod. It is the absolute peak total war experience in my opinion and it’s not even done yet, would love to see you do some challenge campaigns on it

I sense a Rome total war campaign in the future

I personally think Germania should be at least C tier. The spear warbands (albeit not as good as Greek hoplites) are pretty effective if you know how to use them. The chosen axemen can hack up heavily armored units easily when you get a good hammer and anvil going on. Not the best faction by any stretch, but at least worthy of C tier.

Rome Total War, my beloved.

I didn't play any other barbarians in BI, but I found the Saxons to be quite good. I think they have an experience shrine and a ranged weapons shrine, so by building hunters in one city and moving them into another you can get hunters with +5 damage pretty early, giving them 12 missile damage. Since archer units are larger than horse archers, you can slap down hordes pretty well like that, definitely much better than WRE can.

I only recently realized the Pontus icon is a Sassanid headpiece; I'm not sure if the Parthians ever used that, but you can see that used as a banner template for the Sassanids in Attila.

If this man tier listed rome total war and Medieval 2 to DEATH I would be so happy, there's so much to talk about...especially the units

Unironically appreciate the Manscaped ads (I'm a really hairy lad) Also, nice tier list, keep em goin Legend

Now this is content!

Rome 2 faction tier list next! Would be awesome.

Why would anyone think the Greek Cities are S tier? They have a completely one dimensional army roster. Sure it's strong, but you WILL discover the limits of what Hoplites are able to do once you play a full Greek Cities campaign. The Romans are definitely a tier above them just because of how much more versatile their unit roster is. If any of the Hellenic factions have an argument for being S tier, it would be the Seleucids.

Playing as Julii and going up against bull warriors for the first time was a shock

Some corrections (its ok Legend og Rome was a long long long time ago): Greek Cities has hoplites not pikemen. Spain has 4 iberian settlements, Gaul has 1. Saxons alongside Celts and Allemani can't horde. Anyone spot anymore?

@pedropaixao3605

Ай бұрын

In BI all factions can build tier 5 settlements, even the barbarians, not tier 4 like mentioned in the video

@ippolit4262

Ай бұрын

It was a pretty cringe ranking if you ask me with the amount of mistakes...Armenia has way better infantry than Parthia

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

@@ippolit4262 some of it is just Legend's opinion, as is the nature of such rankings. He likes cavalry and handwaves all except the top 5 elite infantry and archers in any game, so I can see why he's be unimpressed by Armenian heavy spearmen and legionaries (although I agree they are the strongest eastern infantry in the game)

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

@@Rynewulf Parthia has only eastern infantry and hillmen, armenia has legionaries and hoplites - and they have a pretty dope Vanhang temple too (battleforge - it gives combat xp and some weapon&armor).

I recall Seleucids being OP, and possibly the best roster after the Romans. Maybe I just loved me the Silver Shield Pikemen hedgehog formations. They also had morale debuff doomstacks - combos of elephants, chariots, artillery, and archers would cause units to break before they even reached the front line.

The sad thing about the Seleucids is that they have arguably the coolest roster with many shiny toys, but have to fight their most decisive battles with milita hoplites, milita cavalry and some forced levy pikemen.

can we get some stainless steel tier lists? I'd watch the shit out of em

That parthia bias lol Thought cant blame him, pink pajama guys is just too good to not blatantly uptier them

So Parthia's pink pyjama-wearing infantry are no good? Who would have guessed?

Scipii is strongest since you can speedrun to gold equipment upgrades very early to steamroll the other roman factions. Along with water control

I can't really say that I agree with these ratings. Gaul has forester warbands and those are fucking broken. You have to get the experience temple where you recruit and then gold weapon them afterwards, but at that point they're absolute murder. And that's their main weapon. They have an unlisted secondary weapon that is, of course, a frapping spear, so super light cavalry can sod right off as well. Sure, post-Marian Romans can turtle and resist that, armoured hoplites from the front can resist it, and cataphracts are not the easiest targets either, but that doesn't really matter because of how early you get the foresters. And Armenia starts with horse archers, which are very good, but then get cataphracts, which just roll over everything except chariots and elephants. Even better, their family members also upgrade to cataphract bodyguards post-Marian, so even if Rome lives that long, you just get stronger. And frankly, once you get the cataphract production going, everything else just does not matter too much. Garbage infantry? Nah, heavy spearmen aren't that bad. Certainly better than Parthia's eastern inf. And they have legionaries, don't they? Then there's Greece. It's a sort of weird thing, because their roster is so limited, but they do the infantry thing so ridiculously well. And they have militia cavalry, which you can do crazy things with, if you take the time. Spartans are the shiny unit but they're not really the thing that breaks the game for GCS. It's the regular hoplite and the armoured hoplite, both of which you'll get fairly early. Much, much earlier than the Romans get their "good stuff". And you can spam those units like crazy. The idea that GCS are defensive is not really true. The record for fastest full map completion was set, at least at one point, with GCS. Last thing, Pontic capadoccian cavalry looks like cataphracts but they're not. Cataphracts have a secondary attack that has AP, which is why you don't just throw them into a fight and forget about them, you charge them in and then after the charge, you alt+ right click to make them use their mace attacks. Pontic cav does not have that ability. Rating them at the same tier as a cataphract faction is, in my nerdy opinion, a bit unreasonable. Cataphracts are just that good in the original RTW.

A special case: I think you could play as the Romano British in the original barbarian invasion game. you just had to wait for the emergence event for them to hit and you had an option to switch to their faction instead of the celts. Idk if it was a mod or something, but I definitely remember playing as them in the OG barbarian invasion (the grail knights are what made me remember). and I dont think it was a mod.

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

IIRC there was no switching without mods. you could start as some horde faction and switch to R-B with a script, making it autoplay until emergence (which could happen either 50 or even 150 turns into the game). They were pretty broken, as they for example forgot to put their crossbowmen into their T2 archery building (T1 was archers, and T2 was... nothing), but they had the T2 WRE cav at T1 which made them insanely overpowered on campaing map.

The Scipii have two big advantages: gold-gold upgrades (the only romans that can do this) and by far the most powerful fleet. This is especially important in the remaster since the campaign AI is significantly more challenging. Stoping those invasion fleets and blockading ports is a must.

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

I'd take +3 experience (+3 attack +3 defense) over +1 weapon +1 armor since you can get silver-silver just from the top tier foundry

Was nodding along until you got to Germania. Armor piercing chosen axemen, wrecking ball berserkers, long range archers, even their warbands ability to form a phalanx gives them a massive advantage over early game Gaul, Britain and even Hastati. Clear A tier faction. Tier 3 max just mean you get the good stuff faster too. Go play a Germania campaign and come back to me. Edit: How did i forget Gothic cav??

@HBolingbroke

28 күн бұрын

All that, but you will be struggling with either money or population for most of the campaign. No point in mentioning awesome units if you won't be able to afford them on the campaingn map.

Germania at D tier is criminal- Gothic cav, berserkers, good archers, a good spear unit in early game, etc. Should be bottom of B. Good vid tho

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

4 cities with 200 pop, no eco and a spear infantry that whilst good, it costs 520, IIRC has high upkeep and has no warcry (warcry buffs your attack by 10 for like a minute, which is why barbs can slap).

By the way, I also thought the Selecids were "really good". But the moment I found that Cataphracts have an alternative attack (with maces) that is AP, they definitely moved to the S tier. They chew through armored units, including Romans, very effectively, and with Seleucids' not terrible infantry, one can do hammer and anvil very nicely (unlike the Parthians, where the only good option is pretty much dual-Cataphract hammer and hammer, after the opponent was devastated/tired by horse archers)

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

Egypt has AP on their Desert Cavalery - which is cheap and way earlier in the techtree. They slap too!

Using the Franks to horde, sack Gaul, and then settle in Spain is a powerful combo. Not only does it give you a place to safely convert to Christianity for paladins, but it borders water on 3 sides allowing you to convert faster. They’ve gotta at least be a tier with the Huns.

I slightly disagree with the Franks position, their infantry is much better than most of the other barbarians, having throwing axes b4 charge, and access early to heavy infantry. Also in the later stage if in a Christian settlement, they can recruit paladins, which were super good last I remember, though hard produce due to religion and recruit time.

Seleucids should really be an S tier faction. Their roster lets them defeat every faction in the game militarily. The only difficult part is the beginning but the fact that they have phalanx units means that you’ll easily be able to defend if you’re struggling

19:12 British irl strategy for world domination

Parthia is my favourite, horse archers will carry you across the world, cataphracts and elephants are a bonus

My favourite faction was either Julii or Egypt for gameplay and colour scheme. I also enjoyed doing a lot of roleplaying as the British and I'm quite fond of starting in the British isles and expanding from there rather than a central spawn.

@jimbakes2782

Ай бұрын

I remember sweeping through Gaul and Spain with my initial faction leader, who by then was pretty old so I let him just hold up in Marbella whilst his sons ran the show- proper British expat retirement plan! I'd made peace with the Romans and was happy just to chill when the bastards betrayed me and started marching round the Alps to invade us. Had to get my big man to down his beer and come out of his retirement to sort them out! Loved that campaign.

Egyptian cavalry is cheap, has extra large unit size and is armour piercing. Combine with cheap phallanx and archers for a strong, flexible army that can be recruited early game.

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

Correct, Egyptian cavalery secretely slaps. They are so good they are cost-effective against catraphacts, and are one of ~4 things that have Armor Piercing in RTW (thrown Pillas, Scythias Headhunter Cavalery, Chosen Axemen, Catraphacts secondary attack and maybe some random things like head throwers / chariots / elephants / berserker special attacks).

I had a romano british game that spawned my in libya. so much fun being a barbarian roman faction basically back conquering the roman empire

Oh God Egypt, I remember my first ever Rome campaign as the Julii. Egypt sent army after army against me, it was two superpowers colliding.

You ever done a Top 10 Best Total War Units. Break it down into an infantry, a cavalry, and a skirmisher video. Been playing Attila and the Varangian for the ERE so op

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

I think he has a whole series from a few years ago!

@MajkaSrajka

Ай бұрын

Cav: Generals, Egyptian Cav (AP), Scythian HA and general Heavy Cavlike Catraphacts/Ghotic Cav/Roman Cav) Infantry: Roman post-reform Legions, Chosen Axemen, Berserkers, rest is a tier below or interesting but falls off - like Thracian Falxmen Skirmishers: They suck, with the exception of HA (scythia, mby some eastern factions) and few archers (Cretans/Foresters). An extra point here goes to Brutti/Macedon that have decent archery temples, that you can get something like +4 archer damage with.

Cool video, broadly agree on most factions but personally would have Scythia on B or maybe A tier. I get the lack of buildings but basic barracks/muster field means they can recruit the horse archers that can carry an entire campaign. Shame no mention and they would probably go in 'weird' category but the rebels and slaves factions in both base game and barbarian invasion are interesting factions to play. Pretty limited recruitment options (mostly culture dependent), no ability to retreat an army from a battle & all out war with every faction but no public order problems and armies that can spawn in any factions' territory over the end turn makes them fun to play. Similar to the other Romans but the Senate are also one I would have somewhere in S tier. Virtually identical roster to the other three roman factions but like the rebels, no rebellions, even with less than 70% public order, makes it easier but early game often involves fighting all the 3 roman houses at once and I don't think they can build temples for any bonuses (to units, law etc., obviously no issue for public order). Anyway, thanks for the tier list

I would put Armenia at A tier with Parthia, due to them having Armenian Legionary, which is about equivalent as a Roman Early Legionary. While it's not much, but it definitely helps with their siege battles.

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

Along with their Cataphracts and horse archers (both top tier) they have Cataphract Horse Archers- arguable one of the best units in the game!

@athras8822

Ай бұрын

@@Rynewulf Yeah, it's definitely a trade off when comparing to Parthia, since both have cataphracts and cataphract archers. Parthia get Persian Cavalry, which are probably the best early-mid game field battle units, but I think having dependable infantry is more important to the far east factions than another horse archer unit, since the pajama bois are a liability.

@Rynewulf

Ай бұрын

@@athras8822 all good points: Armenia has the best eastern infantry so i agree its still the top eastern faction

The Franks of BI are actually able to reach Tier 5, giving them an edge in that regard