I can hear a difference, one sounds more red than the other

@originalbeatsproducerynz4920

5 жыл бұрын

Yes and the red sounding one is sounding faster too. :D

@theoriginalheartstrummer

5 жыл бұрын

Originalbeatsproducer YnZ haha and selling faster no doubt too!

@jimibirbeck1996

4 жыл бұрын

I thought It sounded a bit smaller to be honest

@PilferMusic

4 жыл бұрын

@@originalbeatsproducerynz4920 Red always makes it faster!

@dockdrumming

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

The question isn’t “can you tell a difference”, there’s always a difference between any two analog devices. The question is: “is the difference worth $900”. The answer seems to be a resounding no...

@biggrime

2 жыл бұрын

I just got a ms-1. It's a no brainer.Brainerd. awesome synth. Hard to make sound bad

@lundsweden

2 жыл бұрын

I would pay $900 for a faded, 40 year old Roland logo with wonky, disfunctional 40 year old electronics. The funny thing is back in the day, the SH-101 would've been considered a cost reduced, 1 VCO budget synth with s*&t build quality!

@foundatsea3483

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I've owned 3 101's and loved them, absolutely adore and respect the epic sounds and records that created the foundation for house and techno in the 80's and 90's, but they all failed due to age and light build quality. Owning one at home is one thing but taking them and the others from that era on tour is another. One drop or pothole or bump and they break

@chakko007

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@AdamTheAd-vanc3d

Жыл бұрын

Spot on. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

Nuances aside, it's never a bad thing to make rare musical gear available and affordable.

@-Ricky_Spanish-

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, especially considering how ridiculously overpriced vintage gear is these days. I have an SH101 I inherited from a friend who passed away, and while I love it for both the sound and sentimental reasons, it would simply would not be worth the price to buy it today when this much less expensive clone gets it so right (obviously collectors are going to want an original, but for performers I would not hesitate to recommend the MS101 over the SH101. When you buy vintage gear, you're also buying decades of potential wear and tear.

@noisynois1670

4 жыл бұрын

lo siento por tu amigo Eastjinks ,una de las cosas ,ya que suena practicamente igual y todos sabemos que los sintes analogicos no suena iguales entre si,tiene fm,algo muy necesario hoy dia para sacar texturas nuevas,a mi me flipa,si tuviese dinero tendria una mansion llena de sintetizadores mesas digitales analogicas compresores limitadores modernos antiguos efectos de todo tipos todos los moog,los modulares ,todo lo tendria todo y por que??no lo se,pero me flipa cada variacion en las texturas que pueda darte un efecto un osc ,me flipa y me enamoro de las texturas y la gente no me comprende,le enseño dos pad iguales,practicamente,pero yo oigo en cada uno de ellos algo el el otro no tiene y viseversa ,amo la musica y amo la variedad sutil o exagerada o media o sus miles de variaciones,soy un frikazo,y esta maquina de behringer la quiero,todo lo que esta sacando behringer lo quiero es asequible,ya tengo 3,deepmind 12 teclado,neutron y model d,y ahora voy a por este,en 5 o 6 dias me llega ademas el rojo infierno,ni negro ni azul ni gris ni verde,ui verde no hay,bueno quiero el rojo ejejejjejejejejejejjeje,toy fatal de lo mio lo se,hoy no tomé la medicacion,disfrutad de cada milesima parte de segundo de una textura que os pueda ofrecer lo ,hoy dia hasta un peo es usable y puede ser bello, es la magia,si buscais algo de lo que hago hay poco unas 12 aprox en soundcloud en youtube solo dos en mi canal y sueltas que pilla la gente y les hace un video,aparte de perder un disco de tres tb, estaba formateando y se fue en ese momento todo mis proyectos no 3tb de datos de proyectos ,era mucho menos pero estaba en ese pu.. disco,y no pude rescatar ni un wav,fué algo mecanico,aparte tuve un accidente casi mortal y estoy en silla de ruedas,paralitico,pero estoy terminando un disco fusionando los dos mundos el analogico y el digital,en tipo bso,aunque puede entrar lo que sea en una banda sonora,se llama la banda sonora de mi vida,explico paso a paso con instrumentales mi vida hasta ahora todo es melodico con un bonus de musica relajante de una hora y las versiones originales y cantadas contando mi viaje por esto que llamamos vida ,a ver como sale ya hay 7 tracks completos + bonus faltan 4 mas que dos estan casi y dos sin empezar y cantada solo una por ahora a ver que sale de todo esto jejejejejejejeeje y disfrutad cada segundo que os brinda la vida y la musica,(y muchas cosas mas😉)saludosssssss

"this video is brought to you by the youtube ad you just skipped" lmao

@SynthesizerSam

5 жыл бұрын

I did not skip them!! 😁

@mattportnoyTLV

5 жыл бұрын

I didn’t skip them because I couldn’t.

@Nxnn132

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't skip them because i didnt get any

@klinkske

5 жыл бұрын

The bloody add was in the middle. And it was boring and i keep seeing it

@godwinobas

5 жыл бұрын

That was really funny. I was about closing the video, couldn't close after hearing that

Perfect review! Roland just failed to recognise that there is a market for those synths. No one can blame behringer for doing what must be done!

@JamesCorbettMusic5000

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Roland are being cheapskates

@synthetic24

Жыл бұрын

Roland did it with the SH-01a.

@NunyaB1s

Жыл бұрын

@@synthetic24 not analog though. No two analog machines will ever be identical, but you can’t do that with software.

@synthetic24

Жыл бұрын

@@NunyaB1s Behringer is not good in analog, it sounds very thin and not convincing. Roland did it much better with their real official reissue (SH-01A), it has that typical sound and sweetspots. Fake Behringer sounds nothing like the original Roland's. That (wannabe Behringer) toy has nothing to do with the Roland SH-101/SH-01A instruments. Sorry for the reality...

@NunyaB1s

Жыл бұрын

@@synthetic24 the original 808 sounds thin and unconvincing. What you hear on records is the result of added compression/limiter to make the kick and snare thicker. Did you listen to the same test here? The only major difference here is the filter wobble which is a symptom of failing circuits. It’s notable that only the sh-101 player was able to knock the sound test out of the park. And no, if Roland “did it right” we’d have an all-analog synth. Not a vst plugin in a cheap enclosure.

Your comparison reviews are some of the best I've seen on you tube! 🤜🤛

"Isac would not agree to a droptest" haha

I design analog and plugin compressors and eq's, so analyzing synth sounds is new to me. I heard the subtle differences, but the only difference that mattered to me (because I *felt* it) was the wobbly-ness of the filter when sweeping resonances over harmonics. Calling it 'wobbly' was an amazing observation that would've exceeded my ability to quantify or describe, but I know I loved the vibe of it.

@charlieaydin1377

5 жыл бұрын

You're the fucken Kush guy. I love your plugs dude.

@patkelly3966

4 жыл бұрын

@@charlieaydin1377 House of Kush I'll second that. dope plugs.

@ipadoddschan7184

4 жыл бұрын

Your plugins rule! Kaya FTW.....Would love to see that plugin appear on iOS for portable....

Fine job on the comparison sir and congrats to Behringer for getting past the Loopop gatekeeper :)

"... And the KZread ad you just skipped.". That's hilarious. Great video as usual.

@Aldoistaken

5 жыл бұрын

Ahaha, that was truly hilarious indeed

Wow! Excellent video! I had no idea how many sounds and tweaks you could get out of a synth!

Big thanks for making this!! Exactly the test we needed!

Behringers new line is sweet. For the price alone it's amazing to have these available. It just opens up those sounds to a whole other generation of musicians. You could have 30k worth of vintage synths (if you tried to buy them now) in under 3k. Can't wait for the Linndrum clone which was all but confirmed in one of their videos on the Rhythm Designer

@gnarlysoundscapes7210

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's the best time ever to be a synth enthusiast.

@zaniferox

6 ай бұрын

Behringer have change my studio . I'm not a great producer that can spend a lot of money for the best gear...but now i have an odissey, a tr 808 and a tr909 for 1000 euro this is the only good thing that the new century have become....the rest is war around the world

Compare an SH-101 to an SH-101. There will be differences.

@anthonybrett

5 жыл бұрын

Good point.

@theothertonydutch

5 жыл бұрын

​@@anthonybrettTB-303's are kinda notorious for having individual characters. That's why nobody agrees that those clones sound the same. Because a lot of people have different ideas on the (albeit subtle) nuances. Back then quality control was way more crap. Those old machines can be cranky.

@anthonybrett

5 жыл бұрын

​@@theothertonydutch Totally agree. Tolerances in electronic components back then were generally in the 5% range, worse again if you looked at only Capacitors. Theres actually a lot of swing in 5%. Nowadays tolerances of 1% to 0.1% are more standard, as manufacturing techniques got better and we moved to SMD components. Technically speaking, science wins here. If I emulate a circuit perfectly, there can only be one outcome. The only difference you should hear will be tolerances.

@theothertonydutch

5 жыл бұрын

@@anthonybrett Honestly it is a bit of a problem in my opinion. Takes the personality out of some instruments. I prefer my gear a little bit shitty. :P Korg Volcas are trash, but they all have sweetspots. I also like that they're so damned cheap. I really hope people will come up with good mods for Behringer gear. That's my main gripe with the Volca stuff, there's not all that much you can do to SMD without fucking up the whole board.

@samjones714

5 жыл бұрын

Yupp

Man you are going crazy on these graphics and overlays. This looks amazing.

@emmanueloluga9770

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah its really other worldly. I curious on how he makes them

I love your videos man!

An excellent video on comparison, well done & my thanks sent over. Regards

I've had 4 SH-101s over the years. And I shall not be selling my latest. It's definitely here for keeps.... This time! Your demo was excellent. I could hear the differences same as when you pointed them out. But they aren't in anyway a major downer. I'd still get an MS as it sounds great and is a bargain!

I used to have an SH101 and forgot just how much I loved that Sub Osc!

A good comparison and video. I’d happily take a Behringer. I just want good sounds, and not bothered about watching ‘scope traces or a relative sound difference between this and the original

Your videos are great and you explanation is perfect! Thanks so much!Helping me loads to build my set!! Maybe for those on a budget would be cool to see a comparison between the smaller SH-01A and the MS-101 :)

Thanks for that very Informativ sound Experience !

Smart video, as usual. The only difference I felt was that the no resonance filter sweep seemed a bit more buzzier on the SH, which i loved.

Great video. There was more of a difference than i was expecting. Mainly the filter & VCO. However i've heard bigger differences between different Sh101's side by side. not all of them are the same. Some have more balls!

I've heard quite a few comparisons where they do sound slightly different, but I think this is often because many people are simply putting the controls in the same place and comparing the sound, rather than tweaking the controls to match the sound. I think you did a great job of actually matching their sounds. I think for 99.9% of people, they sound "close enough." The other .1% probably does notice subtle differences because they're THAT familiar with the sound. And that's awesome, I personally think in certain cases the SH sounds SLIGHTLY better... but to me it's not worth the 4x price increase, let alone the hassle of dealing with vintage gear issues. Now, I'd personally love to learn how to repair and modify vintage synths, especially because of the broken HS-60 that is leaning against the wall in my spare bedroom, but unfortunately I've never been able to find anyone willingly sharing any information online about vintage synth repair. If I ever learn how to figure it out for myself, you can bet I'll be making videos if possible to help other people learn more. I don't want these things to completely die off because the people who could repair them refused to share the knowledge.

I owned an SH101 in the 80s and when my band would perform, I’d have to use the batteries because it would hum when plugged in. If the MS doesn’t and the SH still does, then I’d call that a fundamental win for the MS

@iawhiteleygray

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus christ someone get this man a DI box.

@program17

4 жыл бұрын

It doesn't take batteries

@henkmelkebambers2

4 жыл бұрын

It's actually caused by a switching power supply. My SH-101 was very sensitive to this, when I used a more expensive power supply it was gone. So that might be helpful 40 years in the past.

Nice video. I would have liked to have heard what you did with the SH-101 at the end on the MS-101 or at least playing something similar.

great.. thats a red one has a good job.. good price .. nice vid loopop , very helpful info

This is a great video - it seems Behringer really did come very close to the SH-101 sound, but... I think the portamento feature (glossed over at the beginning the video) is one of the main things techno producers want, and the MS doesn’t do it right (yet). The lack of an unconditional “always on” glide mode means you can’t spontaneously add some “rubber” to your sequence while it’s playing back. Also, I found the glide knob on the MS-101 goes from “instant” (no glide) to “a bit too slow” - it is obviously a digital control. As it is though, the SH-101 can do much faster portamento than the MS. Hopefully Behringer will resolve these discrepancies in a firmware update! Thanks for the comparison.

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Just sayin' I didn't gloss over it - there are many features I didn't mention - I did mention that because I thought it was indeed important

There are so many horrifically annoying people and videos on KZread so it's really nice to come across a video like this which is informative doesn't make you want to commit suicide because of the person's voice and does exactly what it says it's going to do in a succinct and interesting way. Thank you for your excellent video.

I never seemed to come across a really good SH-101 in decent shape for a fair price. I got the Intellijel Atlantis, and LOVED it so much. After a couple of years, I sold all of my eurorack and I miss it terribly. Its one of the few things eurorack that I really wish I still had. There is just something about the oscillator and filter which sound so pleasing to my ears. Can’t wait to grab one of these. Sounds more than close enough for my ears. Also, glad that the noise on the MS is brighter. For me its harder to make use of pink, blue, or brown noise. Gotta be white noise for percussive sounds.

I owned an SH-101 in the eighties. On the basis of this video only the lack of portamento would give me pause for thought if I felt I wanted to go there again. Nice jam on the original at the end of the video BTW. It took me back :-)

5:26 The biggest difference to me is here. SH’s filter resonance is more consistent when swept, where the MS drops slightly between harmonic intervals

@tobiasgehring2462

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah the SH is sort of self-oscillating at frequencies that don't match a harmonic, whereas the MS is only boosting the actual harmonics - probably because the SH's max resonance is higher than that of the MS, but maybe the filter design could influence that too, I don't know.

@albertopagliuca9908

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, i had the Sh101 and playing with those harmonics is beautiful. This sounds like a HUUGE difference to me.

Really good review and convinced me ha.

Nicely done👍

isak eliyau and also you ziv are two amazing guys! thanks alot

Looked away during the end-jam, then looked back over and momentarily thought "WTF it's the top of Loopop's head!" Then realized those weren't Loopop's hands. The mystery endures.

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

check out my interview with Suzanne Ciani on the channel - full frontal face reveal...

For $300 vs $1200+, I'd get the Behringer every time. They are nearly identical to the point that it does not even matter.

@cyrotelles7265

5 жыл бұрын

I ever prefer to buy something that I would spend less money. But something We have to think about is the duration of the components. Behringer uses components that, sometimes, loses their capabilities sooner then we spect, like knobs and sliders. Even thought U$900 is such a big difference.

@AshBashVids

5 жыл бұрын

@@cyrotelles7265 Not really the case anymore - the parts they use is the same in Moog etc, usually the same SMD components from... the same chinese factories. They should last a long time. To make things funnier, companies like Elektron, DSI etc. are using coolaudio chips, which is part of behringer.

@AshBashVids

5 жыл бұрын

Unless you go for a red or blue SH-101, they're rarely over 700-800. I got my grey SH-101 for 700.

@cyrotelles7265

5 жыл бұрын

@@AshBashVids Good to know. Thank You!

@DJKillPoP

5 жыл бұрын

@@AshBashVids and not know how much life it has left in it. With JV-1080's catching fire from shitty capacitors that are finally popping, and various other vintage gear reaching the end of their 30-year lives. At $300 for one or $600 for two...you know you get at least another 20 years and you could keep one boxed and shelved as a back-up if the first one fries and consider it a 40-60 year sound investment. Me personally? I'm lucky if I have another 20 years in my life, so the extra $400 I just don't see the appeal. There's tons of issues with chips going bad on older gear across all companies. These replicas/clones/wtf-evers not only allow for an affordable entry for those of us who can't afford to or generally can't justify dumping that kind of money on a piece of vintage gear, nor want to get involved in the immediate upkeep that often comes with said gear. In perfect conditions an SH-101 should last nearly forever. That means never having a single power fluctuation, no gigging, no smoke, rare dust, and only run for as long as it's rated for on the components. How many SH-101's out there have been in such perfect conditions? One? Maybe 2? Pretty much if isn't unopened, it's lifetime is unknown and being 30 years now, it's sitting in it's nursing home. I'd grab me a clone. Now, I'm off to order fuses that blew on my old Ensoniq.

Awesome comparison.

To my opinion, as many said, they sound ''the same'' when you consider the electric imperfection of pots and sliders / electronic. so basically, they may very well be considered approximately the same

Excellent video as always. Those jams at the end are just great! I wish I had any amount of musical ability! I just make noises. 🤣

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Funny that’s exactly what my wife says about me

It's not like if you A, B two SH-101s they would sound exactly the same. Would they?

I've got to say that behringer is breaking me down, why pay more for a 30 year synth at 3 times the price that can break down tomorw? Thanks for the review!

@s90210h

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe we can get a follow up video in 30 years?

@blissprofessor4807

5 жыл бұрын

@@s90210h Given the build quality of the Deepmind, a follow up could be due in three to four years. (A friend's Deepmind has sliders and an encoder that create ghost values out of nowhere, without touching them. They also make wild jumps from low to high values upon just touching them. This after two years of light use. Programming it is an aggravating experience!)

@danielprieto2270

5 жыл бұрын

Except, they don't brake for no reason. Roland's built like a tank

@hulkslayer626

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Roland will last longer... but you can almost buy a brand new MS with a warranty for what it costs to repair a SH. Or, spend the same amount of money on 5 MS's instead of 1 SH, and put the others in storage. When your first MS breaks when out of warranty, take one out of storage and so on and so on.

@maccagrabme

5 жыл бұрын

Because the SH will go up in value.

I got the MS-1 and I noticed right away that there was no dust protection on the sliders I was wondering if that was in error. Overall I really like this synth. I had an SH-101 22 years ago and the MS-1/MS-101 hits the spot.

Hi Loopop. Love your videos, especially the comparison ones such as this. I was wondering why the Roland Boutique was left out of this comparison and the other concerning the 303. The reason I am asking is because I feel my true choice is actually between these Behringers and the Roland Boutiques ( I can’t speak for others here but I certainly can’t afford the original models ). I find the 303 comparison had room the TB-03 in there because of the more limited nature of 303 usage. 👍👍👍 Fun stuff!

@loopop

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much! I agree that it would have been great to compare the Boutique too but unfortunately I don't have one and couldn't get it in time (for the 303 either). Regarding the 101 boutique, I tried it once standalone and I think it sounds great. Since it's polyphonic I'm sure any nuanced differences would be irrelevant compared to the flexibility of being polyphonic and I'd go with it unless you're an "analog purist"

Hey! Does anyone know if there's a way to quantize the triggering of another saved sequence whilst playing a previous one? That is, whilst you're playing one sequence, are you able to then choose another one that will play after the final step of the previous pattern has finished, instead of immediately when you trigger the pattern? The above description is how the TD-3 works and I wonder if there is a mode to do the same thing on the MS-101. This is with the intention of choosing between different patterns during live performance. Thanks!

For me the best part of the Roland SH-101 is the speed and shape of the envelopes. The Behringer MS-101 still seems well worth buying though.

Coupla Behringer ADA-8000's here, six years old. One is completely dead, the other is dying. Both always ran very hot. Both have scratchy pots, these days you have to work the hell out of them to get any audio at all. Above 3/4 preamp gain, you might as well have a fuzzbox in the chain. They were cheap, they worked well til they quit or started screwing up, and now.... I have a fair bit of critical wiring passing thru where a dead device used to live, soooi.. I can spend ANOTHER $200 on a new and improved box that is likely to die before I do... or, rewire a big piece of my rig, or, just leave the hole and work around it. Thanks Uli. I knew I was was buying low end, no sweat, I don't always need great conversion. I DIDN'T KNOW I was only renting low end, that they would die before I even finished wiring the rig. The Octapre I bought at the same time cost $600, sounds good, the pots aren't scratchy, way less distortion at high fain and... ...it STILL WORKS FINE.

A quick tip, on the MS1 you can lock the accent active by double clicking (during regular playing)

Great vid. Behringer really have done a great job with this.

I rly like vertical plug in ports. its easier to plug and de-plug, u need less room and can better connect if you have a few synth-tools, u find faster an issue in this part. should be a "new" standard again.

@naturecollision

4 жыл бұрын

Bug Man not if it costs more room

Great Video. Obviously owning the original is Wonderful but I have to agree, unless you have tons of disposable income most of the Behringer copies or homages of older synths are pretty amazing and a hell of a lot more affordable.

What do you think is closer to the original, MS-101 of B-Model D?

I've had 3 different SH-101's and they all had subtle differences in tones One of the grey's sounded the best to my ears while the other grey and the red one sounded good but not as great.

Well, I completely failed the blind test. Thought I was hearing different ones when it was really the same one, and vice versa. What I learned from the test is the reason I love analog... it's not 100% flawless so every key press is a unique sound wave even if the settings haven't changed. But yeah, I'd definitely go with the Behrigner version even if the were the same price. Practically identical sound, but it has a fancier sequencer and those extra FM knobs. Just wish it came in gray because the industrial look of the old one really appeals to me.

Thank you, very interesting as usual ! You've certainly been asked about it thousands times, but what are the visual plugins ?

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed ;) scopes by Melda

SH's filter is "more worbly and sparkly" generally because of the higher res. peak. It's visible on the spectrogram.

@georgegeorgio1751

5 жыл бұрын

KiR-3d nah ms sounds fatter so that’s more important to me

@KiR_3d

5 жыл бұрын

@@georgegeorgio1751 very hard to recognize which is which on the blind test. At least saw sounds filtered sounds very similar. Strange that they've made a shorter env. for MS. Maybe it's for snappier short sounds... don't know. If the env. had a usual scheme then it's easy to change just by changing a capacitor.

I legit spat out my coffee when you suddenly grew a third arm!

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

It’s my secret weapon for synths with only one LFO

@Broyale26

3 жыл бұрын

@@WHIPTY I know the guys do, Mmmmmm!

Interesting, but the blind test switched way to fast for me to take notes. I did hear some differences, but they're very subtle.

Already got the MS-101 and super happy with it. Its still hard to be able to obtain one, i got the red one now, but i think i want a blue one too. Its a steal for this price. The original sure is fun to have, but the pricing sets me off.

how was anything written with these kinds of tools around? I think of the time spent before stuff was laid down. Love it.

Were there any updates to the newest lines, firmare etc? Good vid! thx

Wish the end jam was on the MS-101 or duplicated on the MS-101 otherwise great video as always!

Thinking about to get it and use it as bass synth for my Deepmind. Good idea or you can reccomend something else in simillar price?

Any floor noise difference between the 2 whilst idle?

I can hear *a* difference but I can't hear *the* difference. There's subtle differences in most cases but nothing I would ever care about in a mix.

@anthonybrett

5 жыл бұрын

Id love to try it blindfolded in a studio. I find my eyes fool my ears with these sorts of tests. I loved listening to the blind tests, I found I was roughly 50/50.

@lorenmorgan1931

5 жыл бұрын

I would love for someone to add two 30 year old SH to equation. I bet the difference we hear is no different than comparing two vintage side by side.

@AndrewKutcher

5 жыл бұрын

u dont hear difference, u feel difference

@fortheloveofnoise

5 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewKutcher I hear difference, not in the oscillator....in everything else.

@leftmono1016

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew Kutcher - you're talking about your wallet right?

so good to have an SH101 you can tour with

The MS-101 is SO close, it could be considered a revision of the original synth. There's probably more difference between different Minimoogs, Prophet Vs ect depending on the version. I think the Prophet V had three versions, some with SSM and some with Curtis chips.

Can anyone tell me which Spectrum Analyzer app he is using in this video. Cheers from a fan!

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Scopes by Melda!

A long jam with the MS-101 at the end would have been nice

Are the keys on the MS full-size or are they slightly smaller than the SH?

I bet other people may have commented but it would of been nice to hear the SH-01a in there too. Even though it’s digital. I realize it’s not the point of the video, but I’m curious how all three match up.

My sh101 sounded very different after a service but strangly i liked its out of tune and degraded sound before. It has tubutec mod on now so 120seq on each key extra. Ms sounds like a bargain i wonder how servicable it is?

sh sounds more round on my focal speakers :) Especcially the pwm. The filter sweep without resonance is smoother. While traveling the harmonics the ms distortes the harmonics in high frequenties.

I'd imagine they have pot adjustment in on the circuit. A little adjustment to PW and Res could get it closer.

the end of the video was hilarious :)

@mano123456

4 жыл бұрын

Yess

I'm curious about using eq to enhance the resonance of the MS. Anyone tried this. I don't know if it would work. But I've had good results adding a bit more sizzle to my RD-6's hihats by adding a bit of hi eq on my mixer

Excellent comparison. Did you ever consider doing one for the System-1 vs the SH101 and MS-1 (101) (and maybe the SH-01 Boutique?). Used to own a 101 in the 90s, recently picked up a System-1 and it's, to my ears, superb... but I'd love to hear a true impartial side by side

@loopop

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! No plans for that currently...

Interesting comparison, could you identify the oscilloscopes used in your testing. I would very much like to have one.

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Sure - scopes by Melda

"its lighter, though that may mean its not as sturdy as the MS. i dont know, isak would not agree to a drop test" LMAO

@totaltotalmonkey

5 жыл бұрын

I like a little bass with my resonance.

Does the sequencer on the MS-101 send midi information?

Great jam at the end , can I ask what effects are in use .

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Just Comet Reverb from Polyverse on the “Goldilocks” preset

and the youtube ad you just skipped...oops. I used to have an SH-101 it is long gone but I am looking to replace it with the Behringer MS-1 (MS-101).

Surprising. There’s seemingly less pole spreading on the MS filter, it’s more accurate and you hear discrete overtones resonating, the SH is way more blurry. And the raw pulse /square wave on each sounds different to me. Is the MS a little jittery or something?

Thanks. How about trying to emulate the programmed legato in the SH-101's sequencer with the Behringer? As with the TB-303 much of what is done on he 101 is connected to the sequencer.

@piynubbunyip

5 жыл бұрын

This would make a good test for the Behringer. kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3hhzsWGn8quqLA.html

I can't tell the difference between the sound but I can tell the difference between the sequencers. edit:Who is Isak and where can listen to him play the SH-101 some more?

@isakmgm

5 жыл бұрын

Im Isak, used to be musician, now i just make sounds :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/nXZoqqaEabedY8Y.html

Yo many points during this video I was like, "when is he gonna play the same thing on the other board?" And you were... Shit is eerily similar

The big difference is in the filter sweep. Watch how all of the harmonics come up around the fundamental harmonic as the filter comes down in the SH. This gives it that snarl. The MS's harmonics below the resonance do not change at all. Its a clean sweep. I like the old snarl better, but would i pay that much more for it? Maybe if i didn't already have a classic analog. But for $300 this is great.

Thanks Isak! ;)

Very intresting and very nice clone! That decay envelope can be better if you change it with same better type capacitor.

"דיי"?? אתם ישראלים?!!!???? יופי של ערוץ!!!! תמשיכו עם העבודה המעולה! :) מקווה לשמוע ביקורת על ה- Novation Bass Station 2 :)

About the envelope. You showed the maximum release time, but I feel it would be more interesting to compare fast envelopes with the filter, to see if there is any difference in character and 'snappiness' of the sound.

@playlistideale

4 жыл бұрын

@MacXpert74 of course, that's the primary strength of the synth! Horrible "oversight" in this and all other behringer vs orig 101 comparisons.

cool screens you have on your desk

It's so weird, before the settings change I only got one right, after the settings change I only got one wrong. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I'm curious to why you didn't play with the MS at the end and only the SH?

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

I gave it back and the jam was just an off the cuff thing recorded a couple of days later - would have loved to jam with the MS too

Holy shit! Awesome job Behringer.

You forgot to test for the self-resonating filter as oscillator with keyboard tracking, my favourite SH-101 sound! Can you please try the MS-101 like this? Turn down all the oscillators as well as the noise source, make the filter self-resonate and turn up the keyboard tracking to full.

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry I had to give it back - I will try it next time I meet my MS friend - yeah there are plenty of things I didn’t test - I tried to focus on the most important stuff but would be cool to try that too

And the question is did Behringer do a good job "getting inspired" :p

Can the velocity sensitivity on the MS-101 be turned off?

@MurrayDagostino

5 жыл бұрын

nobel 11 yes.

which spectrum plugin is this? Seems really advanced telling you the notes and everything !

@loopop

5 жыл бұрын

Scopes by Melda - See links in description