Roger Penrose is a Nobel price. He writes a book, which is a "failure", he admits himself. That lead him to another path, but he is still an outcast trying to prove his intuition. What a great man !!! We need more of this kind of man : extreme intelligence and courage. He is seeking truth and not career.

@scottdunlop8141

6 ай бұрын

I agree that this is a great man and a great thinker

@squamish4244

6 ай бұрын

One of the smartest people alive, and widely regarded as one of the greatest mathematicians and physicists. And about 35 years ago, he decided that we needed to explain consciousness. Thank god.

Wait, what is this? Two sage (old) men calmly discussing matters of importance to humanity, and they don’t even need a moderator to stop them interrupting? To think this is happening in my lifetime!

@brydonjesse

3 жыл бұрын

He is the moderator lol he is just that smart. He used to moderate alot of discussions

@bipedalbob

2 жыл бұрын

It's a sure sign of intelligence.

@MrGriff305

2 жыл бұрын

This used to be normal before Trump and his propaganda channel, Fox News

@lozD83

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, it's not a debate. Just a straightforward interview... which is refreshing nonetheless

@MrGriff305

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeBrownIII What fact? The reason the original comment is relevant is because Fox News anti-intellectual propaganda is changing America's culture into one of incomplete thoughts, hatred, and division.

I'm grateful for the smart folks out there that can verbalize the stuff that keeps me up at night, but don't know the words to describe. Thank You.

@ronaldsliski9585

3 жыл бұрын

Its called word smithing,smiting, words that ordinary people can give a crap about ,as well as to hide certain projects than create a new name,all intellectual human is taught by influences, intuition, resulting in information, or a skill? So everyone from a scientist, to a ball player,or Rockstar actors etc.are of a intellectual influences from outside the flesh we are covered in due in part we're spiritual being, so in the many dimensions of our existence there's spiritual beings that invade our space and give influences, intuition, information, through our thought process, the little voice in your ear ,expression comes to mind,so at 1st these thoughts are not of our own for they couldn't be especially when a thought comes in of something never heard of such as investors, that's how investors of an original invention get the ability to make anything, especially something thats as complex as a computer n now many other such things of manipulation of plants ,the sex change of humans,organ transplants all arive from the spiritual realm the evil wicked realm.

@MelvinKoopmans

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldsliski9585 That doesn’t explain anything, it just moves the problem away to “spiritual beings” that control our thoughts. Then you might ask who is controlling the spiritual beings. Why can’t we explain the mind by studying the workings of the brain?

@ronaldsliski9585

3 жыл бұрын

@@MelvinKoopmans well if you're not willing to go beyond the indoctrination from the educational program system ,and hearsay ,and try to have a more enlightened experience, you will always be just a deep ahead the ape!

@ronaldsliski9585

3 жыл бұрын

@@MelvinKoopmans the mind is the dimensional intuitions, inspirations, influence = information, in which by our freewill = choices of the human experience! To have understanding that this dimension is a illusion of the life in the spiritual realm where we're to be reunited with our creator! This realm is a deception, distactraction from the actual reality of becoming a spiritual entity, awareness of a better existence. That's due in part of satan the one that seeks our destruction from becoming spiritual entity in relation to our creator!

@MelvinKoopmans

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldsliski9585 And all this is based on what, exactly?

I am a quantum biologist and I researched this topic a lot. I have Roger book "The New Mind of the Emperor" for many years. The field of quantum biology evolved tremendously last 10 years, we know the quantum effects control photosynthesis, control retinal perception, control bird magnito-orientation, but I still don't see any good evidence of quantum effects to have a strong role in the brain activity. Initially I thought that all the neuro-sinaptic networks opperate purely on classical level, but when we look deeper we see that for example long term memory is kept on genomic level and translating the electric information into gene-expression epigenetic modification we can easily imagine some quantum effects can take place. I bet that our mind opperate 90% classically, but not 100%.

@luizbotelho1908

3 жыл бұрын

The world quantum effects appears to vague since any chemical reaction is a quantum effect (recombination of orbitals on atoms making molecules , on Linus Pauling approach to explain Chemistry from Physics ). It is hard to see usual quantum effects of particles or systems of particles on our Brain . The point is that we try to understand culture through single brains . I think (and a big if... ) that most of our mental process are of cultural heritage and appears only as a collective effect when one individual interacts with others .Perhaps fractal -random media electrically charged STATISTICAL physics or quantum mechanical fractal physics (Those subject still do not exists !) would be more appropriated to understand the Brain (Its "circuitry ") than standard quantum mechanics .Perhaps new Physics like the one attempted in this paper will be the Physics of "Advanced" Biology .....cbpfindex.cbpf.br/publication_pdfs/044.2011_08_04_10_23_28.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0yltMQ-Sujz0p9Ru3A685OuFCbpLJjFej7WSYVyfOCT3rlWf-J00iBnpM Or cbpfindex.cbpf.br/publication_pdfs/nf04501.2011_05_09_11_05_36.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3jL1cttg82a_Pun0MgoLMb66u50SjysZYCwqoKKqJhTTjDden_r4ku7h4

@mattm4340

3 жыл бұрын

@@luizbotelho1908 pretty interesting ideas here

@luizbotelho1908

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattm4340 I Think that the Mathematization of all fields of Biology will be much more sophisticated that ours wildest dreams for theories of elementary particles were in the begining of XX century ! .Specially our brain functioning theories !. In that field , Super computers (Monte Carlo Methods) will be our Arithmetic tables . After this Pandemic , I am sure that Biology will be the main science to be researched in this XXI century!.

@goertzpsychiatry9340

3 жыл бұрын

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@luizbotelho1908

3 жыл бұрын

@@goertzpsychiatry9340 It appears somewhat interesting ...however I do not think that quantum mechanics of twenty century is going to shed some light on the human mind and its psychiatry disturbs .I have the personal opinion that very advanced and still unknown yet biochemistry is one of the keys for understanding and healing of mental illness as much as biochemistry is the key for usual diseases through medicines . One important point is that our mental process is purely biological and built through evolutionary transformations(Charles Darwin ) ,specially through Pattern Recognition.In this point and if (A BIG IF!) Feynman quantum computation could play some role . But I prefer that very Advanced Statistical Physics (Ising 3D model , Random Surfaces , Random Matrix Models , Condensed matter quantum theory -like Spin Glass , etc... ) is more probable to be the mathematical bases of AI and Human Brain functioning .And psychology is an extremely valuable tool since it allows to shed light on the Cultural Side of the mental illness bad adjustment to Social interaction (Carl Gustav Young -The man and its symbols ) .So advanced brain functioning biochemistry and advanced psychology appears to be the path on this subject.Not Pseudo Philosophy of Non relativistic Quantum Mechanics .Thanks by the attention

Can't think of anyone whose lifetime achievements make them more worthy of that prize. Indeed, congratulation Prof. Penrose! -and well overdue at that.

@WayneLynch69

3 жыл бұрын

My vote won't be counted, but think he'll fall into the Perlmutter/Schmidt/Riess Nobel category. Anton Zielinger deserved it much more.

I can listen to him talk all day. I might only understand 2% of what he says, but I greatly enjoy it.

@beauxr.benoit1374

Жыл бұрын

And I will explain to you that he isn't saying anything that is coherent in full sentences or thoughts and is bullshitting his way through the whole conversation. He states half of a thought and doesn't explain anything but brings up u; half anothe thought and just jeeps rambling and saying nothing. And the other person is doing about the same thing.

@hiddenknowledge6333

Жыл бұрын

@@beauxr.benoit1374 how many nobel prizes have you won?

@kxkxkxkx

Жыл бұрын

Just watch it 50 times and you will be at %100 👍

@jimskeuh

10 ай бұрын

you're very optimistic about that 2%

@ejkalegal3145

8 ай бұрын

He talks s**t. He knows no more about consciousness than you do.

Congratulations sir. Ultimately you have been awarded the #Nobel Prize in Physics this year for your ground breaking research on Black-hole which was long due since 1965. I'm so delighted. Wishing your sound health.

Eckhart Tolle said something like: "Consciousness doesn't exist It doesn't stand out It isn't a thing in the field of our perceptions It has no form Consciousness is being itself"

Consciousness has the potential to redefine literally everything. It’s the only thing we can personally be sure of. Everything else we see such as matter, physics, mathematics, space and time are only relative to the consciousness observing them. What we perceive as consciousness defines everything else we perceive, therefore until we understand what consciousness is, we really can’t say with 100% certainty what anything else is.

@eltonron1558

3 жыл бұрын

Why couldn't Penrose say it that way? Because of you, I have a better understanding of the whole issue.

@amits3330

3 жыл бұрын

here comes professor penrose and says that in a certain condition where Schroedinger's cat can be dead and alive, in case that no one's watching ofcourse. In contrary, when conciousness observes the box in a certain point of time then the only options left are dead or alive. So we now learn that conciousness is time because time cant exist without conciousness. So we cannot experience no time but we know time is limited to conciousness expreience only. Now, ask your self what happens to the conciousness when it dies. Soon a head ache appears because you are stuck, you will say i am all that is so i cant disappear, matter must move somewhere so now we understand the thing which you call "i" is not consist only matter. so all you say is fundamentally wrong.

@aeixo2533

3 жыл бұрын

Our subjective reality is just shadows on the cave wall dude

@VasilikiN

3 жыл бұрын

What are you saying? How can matter, physics, mathematics and space be a matter of perception? If anything, they’re the only things people of much different perceptions can agree on. Therefore, they’re universal, eternal and unchanging. It’s left upon humanity to discover their workings, but the workings themselves are there, waiting to be discovered.

@djjfive

3 жыл бұрын

@@VasilikiN Agreed, however all humans are using consciousness to perceive this. I’m certainly not saying this is incorrect from our perspective however what I’m saying is we only have one perspective that derives from our consciousness...

Random person says this. The world: “crazy loony.” Roger Penrose says it. The world: “hmm. As I’ve long suspected.”

@unpopular_opinion8615

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's because of having the credibility, random dudes don't form theories on Black holes

@labibbidabibbadum

2 жыл бұрын

@@unpopular_opinion8615 Don't disagree. Still funny though :)

So humble, smart and funny Dr Penrose. Congratulations for the nobel prize👏

@jellyicecream3324

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, however, it's got nothing to do with this discussion. Humble, hardly, if we consider his books. Funny, maybe on the quantum scale, in the big world Judah Friedlander is funny. Smart, for sure, however, it's field specific. Over the decades we've parted ways, worked out he's calling their plays And that's how the truth gets mislaid.

@jararacavoadora5868

2 жыл бұрын

@@jellyicecream3324 wtf man you must think you are very very smart

@noamfinnegan8663

2 жыл бұрын

@@jararacavoadora5868 Just a hard determinist 😉I just don't know what I'm writing till it's written. If I had any free will at all, you wouldn't be getting this reply. Happy Solstice ☘️💚☘️

“If you can’t explain it to a 6-year-old, you don’t understand it yourself,”... One of Albert Einstein’s most famous phrases.

@markberman6708

Жыл бұрын

Awesome you said this. I have used this as a principle for both teaching and asking 'experts' questions.

@helmetongrass1893

Жыл бұрын

but what if that 6 year old can explain it to you instead?🤔

@ahmedmohammed-lutfial-imam2147

Жыл бұрын

@@helmetongrass1893 if he can, then possibly he got a supreme IQ, and if so, then that “child” represents an extreme value (statistical outlier). The former is beyond 3 units of the standard error of the mean, and therefor, Einstein’s quote won’t be applicable ;)

@kakhaval

Жыл бұрын

I agree that most of Robert's questions are difficult and there is no answer apart from some collection of empty words. But I can't teach a 6 year old or 16 year old about say mobile phone technology yet I have been working in it for two decades. Hence I don't understand it. It is stupid exaggeration from Einstein

@qqqAvi

Жыл бұрын

@@kakhaval you can explain the concept behind it. A 6 old kid doesn't know how a car works (actually few people do) , but he/she could understand the utility of it and basic concepts.

The way you have described the interaction of the micro tubes and the neurons would make me think this could be a biological transistor of sorts, where the gate is the micro tube. So now we have the quantum world effecting the classical world. Consciousness may be seated in the brain but it may ultimately exist outside in the quantum realm.

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

excellently put

@wally4304

2 жыл бұрын

What if the quantum realm is the afterlife?

@johns6704

2 жыл бұрын

@@wally4304 ​ It is interesting how in quantum mechanics there is room for lots of the old philosophies. For example, perhaps what we think of as reality is actually from the thoughts of God.... Meaning our world is God's Existentialism. God thinks therefore I am....

@NJgateway

2 жыл бұрын

@@wally4304 Exactly what I was thinking.

@someguyinsantaclara

2 жыл бұрын

@name: password password: password that's a pretty absolute statement. Science is not absolute.come back to reality. Whatever that is.

congrats to roger penrose on 2020 nobel prize. much deserved. far reaching math too!!

@Eric123456355

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

@robertflynn6686

3 жыл бұрын

@daniel sebold why do you want to give up?

@robertflynn6686

3 жыл бұрын

@daniel sebold thats a curious reply, Daniel. I went to Catholic school 2 yrs, 7th and 8th grades and learned piano at the convent. Too hard meaning the concepts are are different or opposed?

@robertflynn6686

3 жыл бұрын

@daniel sebold I completely understand and sympathize to what you said originally, Daniel. St. Paul Minnesota. St. Paul Central H.S. 1960; U of M and U of A. Tucson 1964. Mathematics.( number theory just like Penrose etc. ,) Roger Penrose has a new recent book out on "faith, ..plus other" I ordered it. Hes smart and knew from Cambridge, a divinity type of college and others but hes atheist too , some of those who brought Ramanajuan to Cambridge , in maybe pre 1920s. I met and sort of knew one of those three when I attended u of a in Tucson. So Penrose is on a new quest, consciousness, from about 1990 on and his collaborator, one Stuart Hameroff, is from U of A, too. One small world. Roger's nobel prize I presume is on Black Holes with Steven Hawking. 1/2 nobel. Its all far removed from our normal lives and thats what you might have meant. Congrats on your guitar 🎸 👏 accomplishments however I play piano from my Catholic beginnings in St. Paul. But worked in software engineering and I do have like Penrose science, but, unconventioal views; some patents in nanotechnology that fits his new theory so thats why I was commenting and did want him to enjoy his life remaining.

@Orlanzepol123

3 жыл бұрын

@@Eric123456355 ?

How is he 89? He looks like he's 70

@boleg88

3 жыл бұрын

Time is relative

@gustavomelofa

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@gniyduts2755

3 жыл бұрын

Very true

@Pedro-ds3cq

3 жыл бұрын

I think he was younger in this interview

@mitseraffej5812

3 жыл бұрын

An active brain most likely slows ageing.

He's more put together than world leaders in his 90s.

@JB_inks

3 жыл бұрын

He's 89

@zsanterre

3 жыл бұрын

@@JB_inks Close enough

@epsilonzeromusic

3 жыл бұрын

hardly a compliment

@stezi5820

3 жыл бұрын

That's fucked up, that man is in his mid 40's

@nielsssg

3 жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong as I love Penrose but most of kindergarten children are more put together than the world leaders

Even though it remains close to impossible to explain this to most, he sincerely does trie to communicate the essential and scientifically proven the best he can. Standing out is the roughest path, only a few dare to take it.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

That's tight, only few nobel warriors and every science fiction writer in existence dare to dream.

@ivok9846

Жыл бұрын

no worries there, he didn't explain how brain works...no need to put him on pedestal

@brendawilliams8062

Жыл бұрын

A remarkable man.

I find Penrose to be very sympathetic. He is humble, honest or open, and intelligent.

I read and finally called John Archibald Wheeler on the phone at his home in Austin in the 80s. I asked him about this issue and he said, "We need to understand Kant". True anecdote.

Thank you sooo much for sharing this work with us! Dr. Robert Lawrence, you rock!

@goertzpsychiatry9340

3 жыл бұрын

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The more our science's advance the farther we can see into the universe in which we live, as well as the universe that lives in us.

@jackbradley4737

Жыл бұрын

The fuck you talkin bout

I wish i was smart enough to major in such an amazing subject like physics or neuropsychology. Sadly my microtubules weren't behaving too well at school. At least i can play the blues anyways! Where's my beer?

@Ms123kill

3 жыл бұрын

Neuroscience * not psychology

@leovicious6992

2 жыл бұрын

Drop the beer, grab the DMT.

@aceflamez00

2 жыл бұрын

Never too late to "wake up"

@pauldirc..

11 ай бұрын

​@@leovicious6992 what dmt will do ?

Two clusters of microtubules interacting with each other by means of modulated vibrations in the air.

This is the most interesting and original idea that I have heard for ages! Fantastic well done👍

Heard him on Joe Rogan say “ I’m old now and people don’t really pay attention to me” They are now Professor Penrose

Thank you for your efforts to make these statements available. Vel formulated and easy to understand.

@gregvance6819

Жыл бұрын

Vank you

Dear Robert I have one request from you. Please make the videos with subtitle. I regularly watch your every video and I really appreciate you. But some times It is difficult for me to catch every sentence because I am not English national. I am from Pakistan. I am sure that so many other non english native would also face the same problem like me. It would be easy for us to understand if there are subtitle. You are doing great job because things for which we need to read a big book but you clear it in just 15 to 20 minutes video. I love watching your the stuff you share and enjoy it by discussing with my friends.. Waiting for kind and positive response.

@frialsharefabdo6472

3 жыл бұрын

💚 From Syria

@rehabsaad1109

3 жыл бұрын

From Libya

What i am thinking is that the the brain activity is not a mechanical, accumulation of each neurons activity individualy but the cloud *of electrons* that working on quantum level as a single event as a field of each individual electron affects others with its field and even affected backwardly by the posible result. Like a thunder that "knows" where its destination is but looking for the way.

@donniseltzer7718

3 жыл бұрын

basically the brain is a quantum computer

@BiasFreeTV

3 жыл бұрын

How does thunder have a destination? Its a noise...

@xNazgrel

3 жыл бұрын

@@BiasFreeTVi mean the electrical discharge

@paulfrank4551

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I agree 100. Finally somebody got it in a nut shell. Bottom line.

There doesn't have to be a missing piece if some fundamental perspective of quantum physics is not entirely accurate. For example, the idea that state does not exist until it's observed is true in that observations can have some effect on that being observed, but things happen whether they're being observed or not and the fact that something is so sensitive to observation that we have not yet found a way to observe it without affecting it, does not mean it cannot be observed without being affected (in regards to that being observed anyhow). Further, we were taught to think of particles as things and quantum physics likes to describe them as probabilities when there is every reason to think it's a field and as such, requires observations and math far more precise than we have at this time to accurately simulate it. Describing it as a wave may be close enough that it makes sense in context but will never allow us to fully understand until we can measure the actual energy, its location, and its behavior. The idea that consciousness will be attributed to any one thing seems simply absurd considering consciousness cannot even be determined without utilizing a substantial number of the senses and systems in a number of individuals. I'd make an argument that consciousness doesn't even exist exclusively within one individual because such isolation would result in a lack of language which would prevent one from forming more complex thoughts. This is the very reason we teach our children language; so they can act like more than a human animal. If complex interactions between two living beings are required to even determine consciousness then doesn't it stand to reason that consciousness does not exist on its own within an individual? If this is true, consciousness is as much breathing somebody else's CO2, or having to share the road, as is it is to have a single thought. I think consciousness is the collective experience we share. we say someone is unconscious when they no longer respond to the world around them. If all this is true, our nerve signals are as much a part of our consciousness as our "thoughts" (our engaging of our speech centers with our frontal lobe, as well as our listening centers, all without engaging our speech muscles.)

@jackbradley4737

Жыл бұрын

I like this idea. It is kind of poetic

What they are describing is the ability to produce a true other from which to choose. This is an aspect of what is called free will

now at 92 y old. And still giving sharp interviews

Thank you Roger Penrose. I can, after listening x3, feel that you are discovering and feeling your way forward to what is unknown today. I hope you inspire equally intelligent people to take up your lead.

Sir, firstly I would like to congratulate for winning Noble prize for Physics this year and secondly to know from you whether, consciousness is a form of energy or something else. I personally realise that, the range of applicability of physics is only upto the mass and energy including light (e.m. waves) Thank you very much.

@nolan412

3 жыл бұрын

Energy pulsing through a physical structure.

@nolan412

3 жыл бұрын

Energy pulsing through a physical structure.

@DrShripalSharma

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for answering.

@frialsharefabdo6472

3 жыл бұрын

💚 From Syria... Consciousness Is pure Awareness, Intelligence and Love. It has Infinite power, potential and Energy... All the Universe Is it's manifestations and at the quantum level everything Is one so we are all One pure Consciousness and Love

@nolan412

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrShripalSharma I'm in the consciousness is the product of neurons based in Newtonian/Mawellian physics camp.

Just as there's a quantum field for each and every fundamental particle (such as a quantum electron field for the electron, and an electron is "nothing more" that a zero-dimensional focalized excitation in the field), I cannot help but wonder if there's a quantum field for consciousness, and it's something like the cytoskeleton of neuronal microtubules - achieving a global state of coherence - and interacting with (ie, exciting or disturbing) the quantum field of consciousness, hence giving rise to what we know as consciousness and the inner experience of being. Fascinating discussion ...

@andrewmays3988

3 жыл бұрын

The phenomenon of consciousness we are all aware of is evidence of the supernatural realm.....the next frontier for our brightest minds to explore , probably with mathematics. 😇

@gibsonflyingv2820

2 жыл бұрын

No, but the combination of said quantum fields form matter, matter becomes complex and emerges a consciousness. Quantum fields could never fundamentally form a complex entity.

@DrFuzzyFace

2 жыл бұрын

@@gibsonflyingv2820 But what's the mechanism? - that's the mystery. Just as the Higgs field and the Higgs mechanism endows electrons and quarks the property of mass, I still cannot help believe that the interaction among QFs (in particular the QF of Consciousness) gives rise to the inner, subjective experience. Trouble is, this is all metaphysics, until there's observational evidence, I get it. Cheers.

Whatever he is doing , I hope he is able to connect individuals with other individuals based on how the science works. Perhaps to do a measurement as one consciousness ...strength, perhaps, in such a way as to begin to further this knowledge. People are entangled. That is more important I think than superimposed. Humans can someday live forever with good scientists like him we may at least have a point in that direction.

Parabéns a quem traduziu a conversa direitinho, e olha que o assunto não é bolinho.

Something non-computational goes in between from quantum to classical, if we have a quantum structures(micro tubules) in the brain that displaces tiny mass coherently, we can get this non-computational thing and call it consciousness. Acc. to anirban the microtubles affect the activity of the synapses at large. There is this clock inside a clock inside a clock in our brain that extends even outside the brain. It was necessary for Orch-or theory, because hemeroff and penrose needed global coherence between neurons in the brain to make this new non-computational physics to take place in the brain, and this non-computational transition from quantum(vibrations of microtu) to classical(consciousness). So here consciousnesses doesn’t cause collapse but this new non-compu. physics causes consciousness. Not something you might subscribe to. Because it doesn’t extend, cannot connect things, it just exist passively, just giving you the feeling of consciousness. Note: anirban idea if you follow is also a bit stretch of his original idea, he went on to say that it’s the vibrations/frequency which exists at the base of reality. Physicality is nothing but frequency in itself. “”Me: yes it’s true that mass is frequency and frequency necessary for time..“” Gotta dig in.

The Hameroff/Penrose theory of microtubules was shown to be implausible by biochemist Johnjoe McFadden & physicist Jim Khalili in their book Life On The Edge.

@DavidG2P

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear that this nonsense has been debunked already.

it seems since I turned 36 (3 yrs. ago) years old, I am more impressed on the subject of the brain since I "played" my whole "first half" of my life. Now it is time to see what I have "damaged" and learnt through the practice of psychedelics.

Penrose is a delightful conversationalist, quick-witted, humble, and a few steps ahead of the nimble interviewer.

I think I subscribe to the thought that all things are conscious in some way some what. I dont remember before I was born but I feel as if I was here anyway and it also plays in to my theory that all things exist infinitely. This is also a sort of Buddhist view too.

@Vlogs_Dharma

2 жыл бұрын

Bhagvad Gita .2.12 .TRANSLATION Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.

I've ascribed to Penrose and Hammeroff's theory for some time now. I'm happy to see it being discussed here. I don't think it is given the credit it is due.

Could the measurement problem be a result of feedback from our own Consciousness feeding back into the loop and creating a whole separate wave function? Essentially we observe the output of a wave function in the physical realm and convert it into the energy realm via consciousness which then focuses our consciousness into a superposition of the original wave function...

philosophy of sciences is the most important endeavor for the future years :how scientist in all times could have had these experiences of thoughts enough relevant to elaborate theories of mathematics , physics and quantum physics , etc

I have a question about consciousness, is it continuous over time or quantified

@aeixo2533

3 жыл бұрын

If consciousness is not quantum mechanical in nature, then it is quantised along with the rest of the one physical universe that we are constrained within, to 1.616255(18)×10−35 m. If quantum mechanical processes are indeed occurring in the brain, then this may not apply, as our consciousness may transcend the physical limitations of one specific universe.

Maybe treat consciousness as a dimension of space time and then feed it back through the model? Also, what if we treated unobserved waves as information that remains within its trackable changing states? The information would be able to maintain object permanence without being observed, and the act of observation would be less about collapsing the wave into particles, and more about projecting the the information into visible data during observation. Though the information may account for hypotheticals, it could have an absolute state during projection due to the optimal choice of data which would exist before any observation. The chosen data would be optimal because it best preserves its existence as it is being perceived by consciousness in the 4 remaining dimensions of space time. If the universe is “evolving” in a sense (as it expands into infinite variation), it could be using this method to prevent an overload of the existing system, and to self regulate object permanence. This self regulation could be a feature of consciousness as it acts upon the existing dimensions of space time. If the brain exists in all dimensions, individuality could very well be an illusion produced by the interactions between these dimensions as the brain attempts to make its calculations, consciousness would precede the brain, turning the brain into a focal lens that acts as a secondary clock, to which there may be more of across numerous layers of scale and complexity throughout reality. At the risk of anthropomorphism, the reason we might intuitively sense that the universe is alive is because we came from it, and we don’t exactly live in a vacuum. Awareness and intelligence may not be contingent on one another, and awareness may be measurable and a unitary dimension on its own.

@someguyinsantaclara

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Our observation is via the physical dimension, converted to a dimension of energy via consciousness and then focused on the superposition of the output of the wave function originally being observed. A feedback loop that we call the observer effect.

@valmcclure5035

2 жыл бұрын

@@someguyinsantaclara Of course you’re some guy in Santa Clara. I’m some girl in San Jose. Small world, my friend.

@spritualelitist665

2 жыл бұрын

We are going into a realm of kantian philosophy here 😂 I wish more scientists like Penrose read Kant. I know he’s coming back very strongly in neuroscience. But I think that transcendental idealism is something that could be adopted into quantum physics and studied as a reference point.

Need for consciousness in quantum mechanics? The binary is resolved when it reacts with anything. That thing is usually not conscious. For example, you could have a camera inside the box with Schroedinger’s cat which would record whether it died or not. The molecules around the cat’s mouth move in part according to the cat’s breath. Those things happen or don’t and that doesn’t depend on whether an observer observes them

If understanding is the integration of information and its applicability, then conciousness would be quantized in that, you could develop discreet units of kinetics. the information changing the state and the change of the system suggests that it in fact integrates and applies information, however it is negligible in that those objects do not have the ability to apply intent to the environment and so, is negligibly conscious.

Sir Roger Penrose has touched upon imporatant subject like we have observable universe why cannot we have observable conciusness

Having an opinion is proof that consciousness exists. This is the perfect definition of consciousness.

@jackbradley4737

Жыл бұрын

No it isn’t. I hate when regular people try to do their own science. I can have an opinion but you can’t be certain that I am conscious. I have an opinion but I could just be an online chatbot. The only thing that’s proves consciousness is existence. Without consciousness nothing would exist

@stephengee4182

Жыл бұрын

@@jackbradley4737 we are all regular people. We are composed of a collective intelligence of cell swarms. The fundamental unit of consciousness and how it arises is an open question. What we do know is that our higher consciousness somehow emerged from these cell swarms, with no known sudden demarcation point. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKGGw6uKf8_ehLw.html

@stephengee4182

Жыл бұрын

@@jackbradley4737 As long as you are woke, one thing you know for sure is that consciousness exists. Everything else is up for debate, probably because that is the nature of free will. 😇😇😇😇😇

@stephengee4182

Жыл бұрын

@@jackbradley4737 Other possible attempts to explain the wave particle duality, the mystery at the heart of quantum mechanics embodied by the original debate over Schrödingers Cat are 1) the objective collapse and 2) the superdeterminism postulates, in addition to the many worlds theory of which Penrose, Sabine and Kaku are the respective proponents. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWdtzcirqLK5eMo.html

@stephengee4182

Жыл бұрын

@@jackbradley4737 ...so the debate over the copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics is all over the place, because of this thing called free will. 😉😊😇

it is a good thing that scientists are looking for a deeper layer to just plain old chemical firings between synapses.

What an awesome conversation.. to bad of the constantly panning camera though :( (and the car, and the truck backing up haha)

Perhaps the mid-ground between the new and old physics regarding consciousness is chemistry.

@MattSpoon07

3 жыл бұрын

Chemistry is quantum mechanics

Thank you for sharing helpful and informative videos! The complexities of existence can be studied in many ways. God must like life. We can get lost in the details of the formations.

for the whole organism to perform an action, conscious perceptions of neuronal energy would need to be centrally organized (quantum time? through microtubules?) to organize action, which is transmitted back to the parts of brain and body through neuronal energy as conscious choice and cognitive behavior?

If the measurement process is correct it means that when we perceive something, we are grasping it more deeply than our outward physical perceptions.

here is a suggestion to many comments regarding consciousness; i'm not a mind reader and i suspect many others are also having trouble making sense of what is being said. maybe ask a friend to proof read your comment, or let a day or two go by and proof read it again. thx.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

I can see an argument for consciousness being quantum as it postulates many future realities and wave collapse causing neurons to fire effectively rendering a frame.

@michaelqiu9722

3 жыл бұрын

"Wave collapse"? Wavefunction of what? Collapse at what measurement? And we already know how neurons fire, and it's completely fine being described classically.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

I am conscious. What does it mean to be conscious? For one thing, it makes it quite a bit easier to keep a job in this extraordinarily complex society.

In the last example if you use deduction correctly you come to the conclusion that its all connected. You can deduct the weather on that planet before you observe it if you have enough data of its surroundings/solar system. Thats why this effect only seems to happen in experimental environments. The show outside has been running interconnectedly for billions of years now.

I am an absolute novice in this field of science, however, I find it fascinating. I enjoy it because it makes me think in ways that are vastly different from anything else. But I do not understand the relevance of this science to practical everyday life. It is obvious that if we want a better understanding of how the universe works we must go down this trail, but can anyone point me in a direction that can help me bridge the gap from our everyday life and how or why this study matters so much. Mark

In 50 years this will be like the voice of god, a recording of the most important man jump-starting the new world. Maybe we'll have Penrose shrines. :-) Anyhow I'm already setting up one.

Fascinating conversation about the Hameroff-Penrose theory of consciousness. It is a shame the interviewer didn't formulate the primary question the theory addresses, which is: Why would reductive, objective, repetitive neurophysiological (biological) processes cause rich, subjective, phenomenological (non-biological) experiences (aka the 'hard problem'). Then the answer that: Qm energy phenomena in the microtubules bridge to classical neurophysiological events would make sense (and the search for neural correlates of consciousness [NCC] do not). It felt like the interviewer could not connect this 'energy' world to his classic neurophysiological one.

@MattSpoon07

3 жыл бұрын

@@bennyskims Nonsense. You put the chicken before the egg. The microtubules and the quantum mechanics of life came first. Everything you think you just said is completely backwards, we are reverse engineering life, from simplest parts to the most complex. You understand the macro biology first, instead of the quantum biology. Cellular life begins in the quantum level, and all processes are built upon these quantum interactions. The neurons firing is a result of 4 billion years of evolution from the quantum to the macro. We are just beginning to understand that all life begins on a scale so small, it will be a long time before we have the technology to perform experiments.

@MattSpoon07

3 жыл бұрын

@@bennyskims All of the encoded information you refer to, where is that stored in the neuron? The atoms inside of the neuron are in a state of superposition, they take on the state that the cell needs at any given time, in a neuron, the superposition can switch from binary 1 or 0, and the brain can interpret the signals as it switches. This is happening so quickly and so many times per second all across the brain, and we experience this as our consciousness.

@anti506

4 ай бұрын

@@MattSpoon07 go fnc do theory then its just a bullshit.

Consonance as to what brings it about is the key process in understanding consciousness. Gradations in the levels of consciousness at the quantum level and at gross levels are the dissimilarities that speak of it. If only microtubules were the only source of it how do you explain the same in plants and also dead matter.

Such fab questions asked. Thank you.

@goertzpsychiatry9340

3 жыл бұрын

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Congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for his Nobel Prize in physics, and thank you Robert Kuhn for this timely and thought provoking discussion, discerning Sir Roger Penrose's view that "consciousness is a feature of physics" (froth on the wave) versus , what some propose, that consciousness is fundamental, where physics is a discovery of our consciousness, at the quantum physics level. I only wish I had a definition of what consciousness is, both from Robert Kuhn and Sir Roger Penrose. I know we assume we all know what consciousness is, but until these two extremely bright gentlemen define it, it stays in the quantum state... lol

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 You must be bot, people try to explain what is all about, robots can only copy paste some code.

@Corteum

3 жыл бұрын

_"I only wish I had a definition of what consciousness is, both from Robert Kuhn and Sir Roger Penrose"_ Whatever the definition, it would have to be a definition that encompasses awareness or subjectivity/first-person perspective. That's essentially the fundamental basis of "consciousness". Otherwise how are you going to be conscious of anything if there's no subjective awareness?

@tomkwake2503

3 жыл бұрын

@@Corteum I agree with with the reference point of the subjective perspective ( " minds eye" ), though we sense through the physical eyes/ears etc., it is the minds eye that is actually doing the "seeing/sensing". I personally feel that consciousness has a energy-sensory relationship. Although, I don't hear much discussion about the relationships of energy to consciousness amongst the experts. Quantum mechanically isn't it about energy transduction from wave to particle (collapse of the wave function) which causes the Universe to physically exist, and practically, gravity and quantum mechanics appear co-exist in a duality, as well as having a conscious mind with senses to differentiate the energies into qualia, mathematics and science, which are non-materialistic "things". However it doesn't mean they aren't forms of energy in conscious thought, embedded in quantum physics. Thanks for your comment!

@Corteum

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomkwake2503 Thank you for your reply, Tom. In some perspectives, even the mind (_the capacity to have, experience, and perceive thoughts and feelings; the capacity to cognize information "internally"_) is considered secondary to conscious awareness. For what use is a mind if there's no subject to perceive its contents? :)

The most chicken/egg discussion ever.

@geraint8989

2 жыл бұрын

Still, only one right answer. Given what we know about evolution, the first chicken came from an egg from an animal not quite chicken. So the egg did come first.

@iceybrice

2 жыл бұрын

@@geraint8989 this wasn't what he was saying

@miggy2002

2 жыл бұрын

@@iceybrice wasn't it?

@illitaret8780

2 жыл бұрын

@@geraint8989 where did the first animal come from, also an egg? Who created this egg? You were obtuse in answering the question, as it was apparent the question is not about specifically the chicken, but rather all living things.

@jmac3112

6 ай бұрын

The superposition egg

Could quantum field(s) be coherent below the microtubule level as well, where probabilities in quantum field going into the future have subjective conscious awareness? Then in the microtubule, collapse / decoherence / measurement takes place, turning quantum probabilities into measured mathematical information, which information goes to neuron firing of energy spike / electrical signal?

Seems to me like certain things we experience as absolutes like time and space are not really absolute. This would explain some of the most ambiguous properties of quantum particles like superposition, entanglement, superstates. Then there is also the observer effect, which seems to indicate a possible consciousness.

Consciousness causes quantum collapse or quantum effects give rise to consciousness. Set C contains set Q and set Q contains set C. Perhaps we are just looking at the same set of effects from different angles and calling it different things.

@kernlove1986

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

Can a thing be conscious without a self concept?

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

@@apollo4234124 Simpler, yes! But doesn't the meaning at the core of the word 'conscious', essentially manifest in the concept of 'input' (and, necessarily, the effect of that on the self concept which lies at the center of the concept of 'being' (and of this topic))?

Quantum mechanics is needed to create the consciousness that is able to observe Schroedinger's cat to collapse the wave equation in quantum mechanics. Basically humans are a conduit for quantum mechanics to get things done because otherwise everything would be busy just postulating about possibilities and never actually getting around to doing anything.

@DogStarAstrology

3 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh what’s in the 📦 🐱

@DogStarAstrology

3 жыл бұрын

Love that analogy. Thank you 🙏

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not particularly into mathematics but it seems to me that either the cat is alive or the cat is dead. Just because I don't know is no reason to assume both or an average state or an infinitely rapid state oscillation. Superposition seems to me synonymous with ignorant devised so as to keep the grants a coming. Or is the cat just a metaphor now for something completely different?

@darioinfini

3 жыл бұрын

@@REDPUMPERNICKEL I'm not a physicist but I've watched a lot of videos (and took a few courses in college 30+ years ago). There's a lot to say about your comment: 1) Schroedinger is often quoted for his cat thought experiment as if he was proposing this but in fact he disagreed with the premise and used the concept to illustrate it's absurdity. 2) I did the same thing with my comment above, highlighting the absurdity of the argument, but it also seems to have a quirky narrative of its own. 3) The cat experiment is an illustration of the quantum world as our theories and observations purport to understand it. 4) It appears the concept of the quantum world is that the probability isn't an expression of ignorance on our part (like what cards your poker opponent is holding) but literally a "smearing" of reality across time and space. An electron isn't physically anywhere -- it is probabilistically smeared in an atom's orbit until you measure it at which point it "pops" into a definitive position. Hence Schroedinger's objection that taken to a logical macro scale, the cat's living status is "smeared" until you have a look.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

@@darioinfini It was late, I was tired and your humour flew well over head, but now, thanks to morning coffee, ha ha. 1) Ahhhh. 2) Ditto. 3) It seems to me the deeper we dig the more we discover I'm poorly evolved to grasp the ultimate depths of Nature. But if in the digging we learn to achieve instantaneous orbit of Sirius I say, more power to the explorers. 4) Always fascinated by magnets I've long been perplexed by the nature of fields and when I encountered the curved space concept I knew I'd be permanently ignorant but entertained by thoughts like the one that suggests 'reality' is incomprehensibly solid and all that we know, all that we are, merely curious vibrations within it.

Penrose is ph d supervisor of Asgher qadir who is my teacher, i am proud of this Noor Ahmed Shaikh

Could the microtubules in brain together form a quantum field where information interacts at quantum level? After information processed at quantum level, and perhaps even at reduced energy level, it returns to classic information through microtubules? Are the microtubules maintaining coherence of quantum information into the classic level?

What a trip. Quantum physics, my new lsd:)

@nadiyahasanah2278

3 жыл бұрын

I feel it too!

Why don’t you study Indian science of mind, it’s already discussed for thousands of years, now west is talking about the same?

You gotta love how Penrose admits that the book was a speculation and a failure but *still* started a productive conversation. That’s how science is made: by trial and error.

Is there any connections between Wigner's quantum mechanics simetrics and simetrical structures of microtubules that are suitable for quantum coherence?

The brain has evolved to function on the quantum level.

@seangrieves4359

2 жыл бұрын

The purpose of life is life. The purpose of the universe is the universe. They are one and the same. Focused on the appearance of world, call it matter if you will, one has belief this is primary knowledge. Focused on yourself or that with which all is known then subsequently divided and named. Names and divisions fall away leaving oneself. Infinity can't know limitations and never has. Belief not included. Unreal never will be real. All possibilities simultaneously co- exist or experience would be rigid and changeless. Infinity or yourself has capacity to live every eventuality of any and all given lives, in all possibilities or scenarios.

Consciousness exists without the brain or body. But then again what do I know, just a thought!

@goertzpsychiatry9340

3 жыл бұрын

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@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

certainly classic physics cannot explain causation. i am with you on that. and certainly the NDE or OBE suggests consciousness is non-local.

You can make a powerful space engine with a tiny processor, and camera, aim at a close star; set to send a coded signal that represents what the processor can perceive when it arrives in the primary's vicinity.

for quantum phenomenon, are microtubules somehow different than other structures in neuron? do they have a different orientation or other?

His idea of consciousness needing quantum physics or vice versa is like a new version of the chicken or the egg question lol

@Dion_Mustard

3 жыл бұрын

the near death experience suggests consciousness IS fundamental.

People confuse sight with consciousness. What does a blind physicist see? Does he too cause quantum decoherence? It all has to do with the tools of measurement and if it it extracts something out of that probabilistic wave function. If it does that WF collapses. It all depends on the tools. Noise. We all can function because we rise above noise. Noise from all those sensory inputs. Same with the brain. Relevancy is what creates the conscious environment. And that digs into the experience of all that we have seen and heard. The memory part. Understanding quantum effects in photosynthesis will help is understand this world between the classical and quantum.

My humble thought.. consciousness exits contingent upon the coalescence of particles and onwards to form lifeforms leading to animals and human beings. Subatomic particles operate in its world of quantum mechanics. The combination of interaction between wave and quanta mode amaze and intrigue us including the smartest people here now and future if not forever. Salute to you all and keep up with the good work. From Hker worldwide

@goertzpsychiatry9340

3 жыл бұрын

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@FinalBossWTMN

Жыл бұрын

You basically said nothing 🤣

What are microtubules made of, and how interact with quantum field / wave function?

10:50 Rat running along the bushes in broad daylight.

@veganpiranha3302

3 жыл бұрын

You are very observant

@rajasarkar2145

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't a rat it was an observer

@pineconestudiosLLC

3 жыл бұрын

Feds

@fins59

2 жыл бұрын

I saw a gorilla.

@katierobertsfnp6403

2 жыл бұрын

He gleefully escaped.

Cameraman is making me feel nauseous, like I am seasick. Please stop moving.

@patrisagar6548

3 жыл бұрын

You can just listen

If you combine the OrchOR theory with the Holographic Universe principle, is the quantum coherence creating and projecting a personal reality? If there is no 'real' world out there, by the act of thinking (conscious and unconscious), are we constantly choosing different coherent states which we then perceive as our reality. Does that mean all of us are in our own solipsistic realities? Is this what free will actually is?

what might be needed for microtubules to cohere neuron energy information into quantum time information over the whole brain?

Deepak Chopra should do himself a favour and listen to Roger Penrose!

@economistfromhell4877

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Roger should listen to Deepak?

@terrypussypower

3 жыл бұрын

@@economistfromhell4877 Now, what on Earth would a Nobel Prize winning scientific genius like Roger Penrose, have to learn from a pseudointellectual hack grifter like Deepak "Deepity" Chopra? Absolutely nowt! Nil! Nadda! NUFFIN'! ;)

@economistfromhell4877

3 жыл бұрын

@@terrypussypower why does he scare you so much? what makes you afraid of him? your comments here are defamatory and depending on your legal jurisdiction make you vulnerable to legal suits. You may wish to think through your anger - secondly I get the impression that he is better qualified than yourself and intellectually qualified see Wikipedia - "Chopra studied medicine in India before emigrating in 1970 to the United States, where he completed a residency in internal medicine and a fellowship in endocrinology. As a licensed physician, in 1980 he became chief of staff at the New England Memorial Hospital (NEMH).[8" His contribution to getting us 3 dimensional materialists to look inwards is considerable. I suggest that you meditate. Listen to your breathe and observe your thoughts/anger. See if you can do this for a minute? Bet you cant......

Interesting. Penrose is a physicalist. Thinks consciousness derives from physical phenomena, not the other way around.

@vieiracoracao

3 жыл бұрын

No one is perfect.

@livethemoment5148

2 жыл бұрын

thats great...I am with Penrose

Hey guys, it’s Matt.

Fascinating thought-provoking conversation thread.

Consciousness is an ancient topic; the Rig Veda (~2000 BCE) defined God as consciousness and established the goal of human life to dissolve one's ego into consciousness by turning inward with prayers and meditation. This dissolving of individual identity is called enlightenment. Ever since there's a long history of Saints and books reiterating this message. This way history is very useful but unfortunately today's history is all about Kings and their battles and conquests which is of little value to us. The body/mind is the tool to experience consciousness and we all have these here and now for free. All religions are about this only; whichever religion you are, turn inwards with Prayers...Prayers become meditation leading to enlightenment.

@vahanprasan

3 жыл бұрын

Ravi Kumar I endorse your views. I should also add that as such Vedas describe everything incl the length of universe, how it expands, how can it dissolve, what happens after Pralaya, what is there above Earth and belowEarth and so on and so forth.. As a scientist I should believe in facts and figures, which I do, but the knowledge stock we have is incredible which our India is proud of. In fact I expressed this with Dr C Rangarajan during a meeting at Cheenai..... I am sure many scientists are proud of it, although they may not base their assumptions on that.

@gorkhe8602

3 жыл бұрын

Ravi, prayers and meditation wouldn't have made it possible for you to write this comment on youtube, pretty much wirelessly. I know the importance of the Vedas, especially the Upanishads, but that has nothing to do with what Roger is doing, or what this talk is about. You can always have blind faith in the scriptures *or* you can go and find what's out there yourself, as far as you can go. That's true spiritualty, and true meditation as well.

This is a boring comment section. Come on theists . Know you want to say consciousness is god. Let’s get into the god debate.

@chrisashlync.1302

3 жыл бұрын

Prize-winning physicist from Brazil says atheism is inconsistent with the scientific method

@jeffamos9854

3 жыл бұрын

ashlyn climer . Yes Marcelo Gleiser makes a point about being agnostic. One can not be absolutely sure either for god or no god. As he points out absence of evidence is not evidence for absence. Even Dawkins says he is not absolutely sure there is no god. Most atheist I think of do not claim they are absolutely sure. Think with the high profile god debates in the media the structure of the debates is geared to pitting the debaters either for or against.

@jeffamos9854

3 жыл бұрын

Hyperloop . What science fiction nonsense? You did not argue against anything Penrose was saying. What is your explanation of consciousness? Just calling Penrose an old fart is not an argument.

@jeffamos9854

3 жыл бұрын

Hyperloop . Well my thought on what Penrose was saying is that consciousness might be intertwined with quantum physics. I did not get the impression that he could prove it or that there is evidence. He was offering a hypothesis. Whether someone might want to dismiss the hypothesis is not relevant. Obviously there would have to be more work done with his idea about consciousness.

@kaielx

3 жыл бұрын

@@lilyoyo77 there is some experimental evidence to his theory. General anaesthesia which is still not understood, has been shown to effect the microtubules. This may be how it shuts down our consciousness. Its preliminary yes so more experiments will be needed

But how do the microtubules get influenced? What causes them to "collapse" and how does one affect another to get entanglement? Asking because I have no idea......thanks.

I have a feeling this video will be viewed 50-100 years from now as an example of how humans first began to explain consciousness in a concrete manner

@liviu445

Жыл бұрын

Nah, new fields of study need to be created to scratch the surface, I think humanity's best chance is a massive group of polymaths getting together for about 200 years, and we might get a chance.

Just call it the soul as that's what it is

according to scientist Robert lanza consciousness moves in to another universe after death

@anatolyex

3 жыл бұрын

Your guy will never get a Nobel prize. But he might get a sainthood . And please ,don't call him scientist .

@boleslawzajac4729

3 жыл бұрын

@@anatolyex Brain Salad Surgery ( yours )

@leelakumari3233

Жыл бұрын

@@anatolyex energy never dies

Thanks for insight.

I am trying to understand this theory. Thank you Sir.