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Computation acts on information. Information is whatever influences the outcome of systems when they interact. Computation is always implemented when physical systems interact. So the states of two interacting systems change during interaction.

Interesting, and what I suspected, the _way in which you achieve the result_ is vital when it comes to forming our consciousness. Perhaps digital computations will never achieve consciousness even though they can perfectly mimic the behavior because the mechanism is inherently different than the neural networking of the brain. The question therefore must be, what is so special about the neural networking of the brain? I think the answer may lie in the way the smallest building blocks of matter and energy are built. When these building blocks are arranged in a certain way, distinct properties arise. Consciousness could simply be such a distinct property, similar to the property of "freezing" or "wetness" or any behavior that we observe with matter and energy. It's "built into" the universe, it just happens under certain conditions. The trick is not to copy the behavior, but to copy the conditions that result in the behavior. It seems to me that it's highly likely consciousness can be achieved using different materials than what our brain is made of. For the same reason that we can achieve similar conditions (such as a liquid or solid state of matter) using different chemicals. There doesn't seem to be any fundamental difference between a carbon atom and any other atom, except for the amount of electrons and quarks, you would think the same sort of behavior as our neural networking can be achieved using heavier atoms than carbon. You would probably need to create different conditions for that material (different temperature and pressure) to achieve the same behavior, but theoretically I don't see why it would be impossible.

@HeroXfine

8 жыл бұрын

don't you think that if we could simulate the environment of our real world in a computer with all the laws of phisics within it, we could recreate our digital neuron that would be indistinguishable to real ones. Therefore conciussness would appear?

@orbismworldbuilding8428

8 ай бұрын

Consciousness being a state of matter is very interesting to me, thank you for sharing

One question I have: Is digital computation inherently more efficient at calculation than the neural networking of organic lifeforms? We know that our brains are relatively poor at calculation, even a small calculator is better at calculating than any human that has ever lived. That could be simply because evolution hasn't had time to evolve a brain more efficient at calculation (there has been little reason for us to use mathematics except for the last few thousand years), or it could be that brains made up of neural networking such as ours are simply inherently inefficient at mathematical computation compared to machines. Which is it?

@marcuslei6743

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe our system is more fitted to deal with survival problems, such as movement or manipulate small objects. The machines can hardly do that in a smooth and “natural” way, yet. The brain evolved to do “large computation” for what purpose(s) in our evolutionary past? Environmental pressures that demanded large computation were not necessary. The large computation problems we have to deal with is higher learning and modern science investigation, which were not present in the past.

@orbismworldbuilding8428

8 ай бұрын

Years later we have a partial answer Neural networks have more flexibility, while digital computation is very rigid, specialized

The answer is neuromorphic compute architecture. If we can engineer a new class computer chips that model the brain in operation, then we can use that tech as a springboard to better learn the neuroscience side of it. Kind of a "learn to run before you learn to walk" sort of thing. IBM TrueNorth and Intel Loihi for instance are wonderful first steps. Android brains, baby!!

It's possible to make the characters in the Sims City simulation program a consciousness to be self-aware but they still wouldn't understand that they're not real people. They would have to be taught they they are only information processed into visible illusions. They would never see the technology that was used to give them a consciousness or visible bodies so you would have to teach them how to build computers to help them understand how they were created. Then they would learn that they're not real people living in a real world. They would finally learn that they are Sims characters living in a simulation program called Sims City. We are living in a simulation called Eternal Life.

@kimrunic5874

8 жыл бұрын

+Brad Holkesvig ok - but in order for it to qualify as a simulation it would have to be simulating something - what is it simulating? And who is the simulator and where do they reside?

@BradHolkesvig

8 жыл бұрын

Kim Runic Our Creator hasn't taught me where He got His ideas from to form the visible objects we perceive with our created senses in His simulation. However, we do get thoughts from Him to ask questions like you have even though He won't provide us the answers. When I was doing a lot of writing for our Creator a few years ago, He would put a thought in my mind which was a question such as "Is there angels" I sat there waiting for the answer but nothing entered my mind. He was letting me know there were no angels in Heaven which is something religious people believe in. If we answer those questions without Him providing the correct answer, then we're considered liars.

@kimrunic5874

8 жыл бұрын

Brad Holkesvig So how do you know it's a simulation? I'm not trying to catch you out, but I'm curious how you've come to this conclusion. I've heard our everyday existence and how we seem to collectively perceive the world as being described as an illusion - simulation strikes me as being different to that.

@BradHolkesvig

8 жыл бұрын

Kim Runic The one who created the simulation we're involved in was the one who had me testify to His knowledge in written and spoken words that He put in my mind. This is the main way He revealed everything He wanted me to know besides teaching me some knowledge with visions, dreams and from listening to testimonies from His chosen believers that He put in my path as I walk around Campbell, CA. Here's a link to all the messages He had me use to lure His believers to me so that He could speak to them. godsmessages.wordpress.com/ If you want to learn about the future. let me know and I'll preach His voice to you.

@kimrunic5874

8 жыл бұрын

Brad Holkesvig Thanks Brad, but I don't want to learn about the future, not my future at any rate.

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Man keeps looking at the brain for the answer to consciousness. As long as they believe the brain is something real, they will be totally confused by their consciousness that was created in the conscious mind or our Creator who spoke everything into existence. Psalm 33 8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him! 9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.

@mattbonfield8909

6 жыл бұрын

you guys are just being ignorant towards understanding something, you use your god as a scape goat and we will use our undrestanding of the brain to try and solve problems

@jean-pierredevent970

4 жыл бұрын

I agree by now that it's 'very elegant" if matter, energy, space were born together with "mind" at the Big Bang. Panpsychism is not a bad effort but it's much simpler if you see the universe as a giant brain that splits. No panpsychic combination problem. For the rest I still have many questions about the nature of God. Nature is so cruel so he could be fragmented, full of crazy, very alien feelings and dreams or perhaps he knows all what happens to us and to every soul but why then this whole show? Is he bored without it?? In a block universe, he would perhaps even know all what will happen so then even the "show" would be pointless.

@BradHolkesvig

4 жыл бұрын

@@jean-pierredevent970 Listen to MY VOICE in this video and the knowledge that flows from it. Our world of good and evil kzread.info/dash/bejne/h3qaktqhYK_OY5c.html

@jean-pierredevent970

4 жыл бұрын

@@BradHolkesvig thanks !!

@BradHolkesvig

4 жыл бұрын

@@jean-pierredevent970 You could also read this writing; goddeception.wordpress.com/2016/12/10/god-and-you-are-one/