what if.. shuttle... but sideways?

@rwdavidoff

6 күн бұрын

That was basically the entire origin of this as a design among the design team, and the total extent of the effort beyond a drawing: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

“The Space Shuttle is so unaerodynamic, you’d be better off flying the box that it came in” The box:

@jantjarks7946

6 күн бұрын

Matches!

probably the wackiest of all the shuttle design concepts, i love it.

@rwdavidoff

6 күн бұрын

Which makes sense because it was an in-joke by one team member annoyed at another, not a serious proposal: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

@clevergirl4457

6 күн бұрын

@@rwdavidoff masterful trolling lol

@bbartky

5 күн бұрын

@@rwdavidoffFascinating! Thank you for the background information about this design! 👏

That thing has the aerodynamics of a cinder block.

@HALLish-jl5mo

6 күн бұрын

It has the aesthetics of a cinder block, at subsonic speed I think it’s actually very aerodynamic. I can’t comment on supersonic.

@VacMaster1991

6 күн бұрын

Seems like it would be obliterated at supersonic speed. Let alone orbital velocity. But idk.

@pseudotasuki

6 күн бұрын

​@@VacMaster1991Do you mean orbital velocity? The Space Shuttle can't reach escape velocity.

@memespeech

6 күн бұрын

@@VacMaster1991 penguins have perfect aerodynamics, believe it or not.

@VacMaster1991

6 күн бұрын

​@@pseudotasuki. I meant orbital velocity. 17,500mph. Escape is like 25,000. I will change it.

Payloads, particularly ones like Hubble, would have been effected quite a bit by the requirement to fly 90 degrees to their usual orientation. I don't think the big mirror could have handled the g-loading in that axis across the mirror rather than through the viewing axis.

@UD503J

5 күн бұрын

Yeah I think this is what would have made Shuttle C and Shuttle Z much more appealing concepts.

What a contraption of a shuttle, I love it

The little details that kill, the ground camera's focus adjustments , dripping condensation on the on board lens etc I keep watching it over to look for more.

Glad to see the turbo encabulators worked properly.

@philipmaxwell669

2 күн бұрын

And the retro tensioning snorknozels are spot on

"OK , let's flatten this space shuttle with a steam roller"

@jaderpereira1889

6 күн бұрын

lindo demais

Hubble was a nice touch, not just a generic satellite. Bravo.

@PiDsPagePrototypes

5 күн бұрын

Imagine the torsional loadings on the mirror, to launch it sideways... and that off-center mass distribution on launch!

I've only seen artists concepts of the Rockwell C-1057 in orbit or landing, but never in launch configuration. Actually, until I just saw this excellent video, I never gave it too much thought. Though you note in the synopsis that ". . . integrating (the C-1057) with the ET and SRB's remained a mystery," I think that your design solution is as good as any that Rockwell engineers could have come up with. Thanks for sharing this with us! 290th Like.

@longshot7601

6 күн бұрын

I didn't see any OMS pods. Was there another way that it was supposed to deorbit? I knew some engineers on Shuttle. They hated it because of the cost of everything. As a teenager I only saw a space ship. What they were saying really puts what SpaceX is doing into context.

@rwdavidoff

6 күн бұрын

@@longshot7601 It was an in-joke and not seriously designed in details: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

@longshot7601

6 күн бұрын

@@rwdavidoff Ah ha. Engerneering humor. I wish I had recognized it. I guess the engineers took the comments of lifting bodies being streamlined bricks and ran with it.

So much detail in this one - love it!

To the ones who make these ideas into visions, this is one of the most amazing things i've ever seen. Thank you for presenting it.

Shuttle already flies like a brick in our timeline, but this is something else

thats unsettling

I remember watching shuttle launches with my grandma. Rest her soul 😢

What in the Scooby Snacks were they smoking?

@JZsBFF

6 күн бұрын

Purple haze?

@rwdavidoff

6 күн бұрын

They were smoking in jokes, it wasn't serious: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

Harry Scott, unintentionally designing the worlds ugliest shuttle concept that could work.

Dude the way the smoke looks on liftoff looks crazy realistic. Amazing work

You left out re-entry and landing, the most telling aspect of this design.

Dang. I wanted to see what the creator thought the re-entry of this thing would look like.

You even got the pressure waves during liftoff! Awesome

Great video, Haze...👍

I can't see how that configuration with the boosters and fuel tank could possibly be stable during liftoff. The shuttle itself doesn't even look like it would be stable in re-entry. Super cool design and awesome rendering job. Almost hard to tell the footage isn't real at times.

@FatovMikhail

6 күн бұрын

lol, it requires one more shuttle on the other side for the launch. and i see it falling like a paper stripe on re-entry

@rwdavidoff

6 күн бұрын

It was an in-joke in the design team and not actually a fully considered design, I think a lot of the "it was surprisingly stable" stuff is people playing telephone from what was a moderate-effort in-joke in the design team: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

@jantjarks7946

6 күн бұрын

Imagine the cargo being heavy on one and very light on the other side. Fun times. 😂

Thanks a lot for this one!!! I bugged you a couple of times for this particular design. Amazing work as always. I'm going to see several times. I'd love to see it landing 😉

That's like launching my sofa into space.

Simply fantastic

Amazing ! Thank you for your effort doing these simulations.

i loved the shot flying trough the debris, great work as always

great job, thank you

Beautiful animation! Like it

Nicely done! Excellent CG compositing! Thanks for sharing. :)

Fantastic

Wow. Impressive video.

Oh, I would love to see an animation of this bad boy during reentry and landing 😉

Well done. It looked very realistic.

Amazing animation!

Love it. Sicko

That very different neat stuff happy summer all.

Who do you think you are kidding? That's a lunch box.

@NotReallyHere198

4 күн бұрын

*Launch* Box

@aerospacematt9147

3 күн бұрын

@@NotReallyHere198 Love it!

Haze I’ve been busy with life.. nice to see your amazing videos again 🤜🏻🤛🏻 🚀

I thought I had seen all the shuttle derivatives. Nope, this one surprised me.

beatiful

If only Hollywood could have the talent to pull this off.....but they don't. This looks so real!

I can't believe a space shuttle of this shape could enter the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds. 😅🌎🌠 However, it is very unique and I really enjoyed the video.💕

@AccAkut1987

6 күн бұрын

It probably could do that pretty well, as blunt objects have a much easier time (shock front and resulting plasma keep more distance to the airframe than on pointy objects).

You are my hero.

AMAZINGNES!!!

Thats liftof was... so great!

In the Bizarro World, the Shuttle is a sideways-cargo bay lifting body. Great animation!

Merci du partage! Stéph.

Thank god its a concept

美しい打ち上げ映像。 ただ、やはりSSは縦型の方がデザイン的には安定しますね。

When it comes back from space, does it come back as toast? 😮

Ready for the Museum! Old fashion ship. Expensive and ancient concept.

I love the weird spacecraft ideas NASA has had!

This looks a lot like the dustpan I built in shop class in 7th grade.

Best liftoff smoke ive seen

Reentry and landing would be nice to watch 😀!

A design that would make Jack Northrop proud!

😮😳😯 Wow! The Space Shuttle was a grandiose human endeavor! But even more crazy ideas were never realized!

Legend says the favourite workplace meal for Cape Canaveral's engeneers is a sandwich of Bread Shuttle filled with delicuous slices of Chrysler Onion Booster. 👌🏼

Very Cool! Can't wait to see the 'breadbox's' re-entry and landing, on solid ground, ala Space X's returning rocket boosters, now THAT would be a sight to see... !

And Simple Geometry, nice!

Those graphics.... Man!

brave little toaster... IN SPACE!

This is the most cursed shuttle proposal I've ever seen.

hilarious, actually, and just as dangerous

How come I only see this now lol

Re-entry models with respect to tumbling would be interesting

Perfect Machine. Perfect work in the world Perfect team in the world Perfect Mission. Thank you very much 290624.

The Graphics in this video are by far the best you've ever done. Can you remake the Star Raker Video?

I don't ever recall seeing this concept in the books.

Muito bonito!!!

Great CGI/AI animation. I can understand why some people think this is real.

Hoping for a Matt Lowne recreaction :D. Crazy design.

No way someone actually took the time to design this. “Hey, the shuttle works but lets make it *thicc* to it gains the aerodynamics of a loaf of bread.”

@rwdavidoff

6 күн бұрын

It was one of the engineers from the project clowning around with one of the other engineers, basically: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

BRUH! awesome animation tho.

She's so beautfiul. I'm rubbing my eyes out!

Siting that far down on the main tank is insane

@richardm.newlands2417

4 күн бұрын

It would actually make the stack more aerodynamically stable.

👏💥

How do you do it?! Your graphics look so real!! Great video!

I wouldn't think you would need all that fuel and boosters of Space Shuttle size for a box that small in comparison.

It feels like engines should be in one line. And the crew cabin should be wide, so every astronaut has a window in front.

Interesting how it landed

Oh this is a good one. (But but but - I would *so* like to see the landing!)

If the regular shuttle was like flying a brick I don’t want to imagine flying this

"You can't possibly make anything fly worse than the Shuttle... Right?"

Okay, what's your secret? I have never seen smoke that good, even in a movie at the theaters. How do you do it? It looks impossible!

@Bgcfan192

6 күн бұрын

Unreal engine:🗿🧏😉

@eliharman

6 күн бұрын

Probably real shuttle footage.

No animation of re-entry and landing? I am disappoint.

When I saw the thumbnail of this video, at first I thought it was a very late April Fool's joke

@rwdavidoff

5 күн бұрын

It basically was: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

Its like one of those ridiculous giant spoilers on a tiny car.

love these, however wouldn't the overall weight imbalance and center of gravity towards the bottom/lower 3rd of the launch vehicle cause more effort to be needed/used once the boosters are separated??

@nhhfdyhvdfghh

6 күн бұрын

🤔

@rwdavidoff

6 күн бұрын

Probably, which was fine because the design was an in-joke sketched out between members of the design team and not serious proposal with analysis: The C-1057 design is on the lighter side of the effort. Al Kehlet persistently asked why our orbiters were several feet longer than the competitors. All the author knew was that ours were packaged tight and statically stable from hyper through subsonic flight. So, with a bit of innovation, the author turned the cargo bay 90 degrees and designed a 50-foot-long orbiter with a 60-foot-long cargo bay. H.A. Scott, AIAA 6.1978-1469 Space Shuttle Orbiter Configuration Case History (page 15)

when i first saw this i audibly exclaimed "what the fresh hell is that"

It's like a flying shuttle bay.

👍good joB

"I need a bread box" *the bread box*

Oh come on! I wanted to see that thing land!!

Good animation but you forgot to add the pass of grime on the vehicle haha

Shuttle just went homey 😂

that's some KSP shenanagans