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Rockstar Software Engineer Story: SW2 to Principal in 4 Years - How To Get Promoted FAST

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  • @RahulPandeyrkp
    @RahulPandeyrkp2 жыл бұрын

    More insights from David are in the Taro app: jointaro.com Sample topics: "How Managers Split Their Time Between High/Medium/Low Performers" and "What Makes A Truly Great Tech Lead". LMK who we should talk to next 👇🏽

  • @FBWalshyFTW
    @FBWalshyFTW2 жыл бұрын

    Love the story around this rockstar engineer finding a non-engineering solution to the problem. It's a prime example of how senior engineers are often held responsible for raw impact vs. coding proficiency. Back on my old team at Instagram, this kind of behavior also would have been rewarded tremendously.

  • @emuzehh

    @emuzehh

    2 жыл бұрын

    Now that’s a name I never expected to see on this video I grew up watching your videos and video games are a huge part of the reason I’m a software engineer today. I think without your early Halo 2 videos I’d never have gotten into halo as much as I did and eventually gone down the path of computer science. So thanks a lot man, amazing to see this is also your career path

  • @FlightX101

    @FlightX101

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed. Same goes for finance. After senior. Higher level coding and management roles are 80% raw corporate impact on the company instead of just skill

  • @shivangshah667

    @shivangshah667

    Жыл бұрын

    Grew up playing halo and following MLG. Some of my fondest memories in life. Amazing to see you here!

  • @erfan8909
    @erfan89092 жыл бұрын

    Rahul you’re on the right track with these interviews! to hear success stories not on how to start from zero to get a job but about how the improvement stories sound like from a Junior to senior engineer. Also how that engineering intuition is trained and enhanced 😊. Thank you for your hard work

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, that's our goal

  • @SuboptimalEng
    @SuboptimalEng2 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of the saying “the best code is no code at all”. Great story!

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, one of the most impactful pieces from Joel Atwood! blog.codinghorror.com/the-best-code-is-no-code-at-all/

  • @ChocolateMilkCultLeader
    @ChocolateMilkCultLeader2 жыл бұрын

    This was a phenomenal lesson, and one i stress a lot to the people in my newsletter. As a coder, you're not paid to code. You're paid to have an impact. Identify what areas you can use to have that impact, and use cod only if it is useful

  • @IntimateMusicGK
    @IntimateMusicGK2 жыл бұрын

    key: - being in good company, - being in a good team or be able to decide what to work on, - having a good leadership valuing you and your impact, - going for low hangin fruits and having product mindset, It seems like technical skills are the LEAST important things to get promotion. Interesting, not that it is shocking, quite much what I have seen.

  • @shauryakapoor2122
    @shauryakapoor21222 жыл бұрын

    6:12 --> This is actually a really good question. I wish you had the chance to interview the engineer and ask him. I think he would have a lot of valuable information he could provide to us.

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    yep, that would have been really valuable. We're planning to do more promotion case studies soon.

  • @michaelalthoff1052
    @michaelalthoff10522 жыл бұрын

    This is what I've found isn't captured in the run-of-the-mill technical interviews. I was promoted 3 times in 3 years for the same reason, IMPACT and VALUE. From a technical skill standpoint, I'm fine, I'm not going to blow you away in a coding interview but I know my way around the tools and can perform very well on the job. My value has been finding simple ways to solve problems, making changes in code or processes to significantly reduce costs (100s of dev hours/year on a team), up-skilling team members, identify and solve customer problems utilizing software, increase revenue by coming up with features users may not have known they wanted, and have the foresight to know how my decisions (either in code or at a higher level) will have impact in the future. Unfortunately, this company doesn't compensate in-line with the promotions and impact I feel I deliver, have been told I'm delivering, and I've been looking for a change. I've had trouble landing offers because the typical interview process skews heavily toward coding and doesn't encapsulate where I feel the greater part of my skills lie. Managers generally are quite excited to move me forward in the process after speaking with them, then I get to the pass/fail coding interview and that's where there's a hang-up. I've been applying for mostly Senior level and team lead positions since my years of experience fall within the typical experience range of those positions. I've been leading projects since my second year professionally writing software. I don't just crank out code. Should I be targeting higher level positions?

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Targeting the highest level possible makes sense. Don't be discouraged if not all companies will give you the desired seniority level: the nice think about interviewing is that you only need one company to align with you. e.g. if you interview at 10 top tech companies, there's a good chance that at least 1 of them should give you the senior title + compensation

  • @Himanshu-mb8nl
    @Himanshu-mb8nl2 жыл бұрын

    This is so cool. I'd thought of being more senior as somebody solving large scale technically complex problems, where hacks and shortcuts don't help justify a promotion. That's the case in Google at least. This is a breath of fresh air.

  • @deathbombs
    @deathbombs Жыл бұрын

    I think picking the right project is one criteria, but delivering quickly is the main impact

  • @DK-ox7ze
    @DK-ox7ze3 ай бұрын

    It will be great if you can find a similar story of an engineer in FAANG. Because in big tech companies it's not easy to get promoted so fast even with stellar work/impact. But if you can find someone who could manage that then it will be a very insightful session.

  • @blisstracker7325
    @blisstracker73252 жыл бұрын

    Did he get promotion only from impact? Is he qualified of skills those promotion need? Is he able to guide engineer with lower level to tackle technical challenges?

  • @ImperialArmour

    @ImperialArmour

    Жыл бұрын

    Often times i find the answer to that being a no. See, having a "nose for impact" also means knowing where your inputs will have the greatest visibility. Helping Jr engineers with technical roadblocks is very much in the weeds where visibility is concerned.

  • @EnterANameReal

    @EnterANameReal

    Жыл бұрын

    the criteria to meet for engineering promotions is not a rigid checklist. A special circumstance not in the list where you made impact above and beyond your level, can still be worthy of merit. Of course mentorship is still a great quality to have, just don’t lose sight of the big picture (impact)

  • @jagicyooo2007
    @jagicyooo20072 жыл бұрын

    Remember that titles are inflated in start-ups :)

  • @Kayotesden
    @Kayotesden11 ай бұрын

    Rahul, more of these please. I have this video on repeat, however, my mind demands more confirmations!

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    11 ай бұрын

    I'm planning to do more interviews soon! And there are really smart people like David in the Taro app.

  • @bikerinbeta
    @bikerinbetaАй бұрын

    Its very simple. Any company is not going to pay you more than what you earn for them... The engineer in the example section did exactly that. He/she cut majority cost of having a major client, making the company money by reducing their cost to them, thus getting rewarded.

  • @geoff-huang
    @geoff-huang2 жыл бұрын

    Another great video, thanks Rahul!

  • @gauravm
    @gauravm2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing this. I guess it also depends on the team scope and manager

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    definitely, the criteria for growth will depend on what the company needs

  • @jordanhasnolife5163
    @jordanhasnolife51632 жыл бұрын

    Hi Rahul, First off, I just wanted to say that I'm a huge fan of the channel, it has been very informative for me! I am a 21 year old incoming Google software engineer, and I recently started my own KZread channel focusing mainly on systems design concepts - I'd love to collaborate with your channel, so let me know if you have any time to chat! Best, Jordan

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Jordan, I'd love to learn more about what you're thinking. Can you shoot me a message on LinkedIn or Twitter?

  • @thyagarajesh184
    @thyagarajesh1842 жыл бұрын

    1. Customer oriented engineer is better than the one who is code obsessed. 2. Every engineering organization should have some level of exposure to customer facing. It is convenient to avoid it by considering customer as a distraction. 3. Impactful coding should/can be measurable in terms of %s or $s.

  • @thefirstamendment1791
    @thefirstamendment17915 ай бұрын

    Crossing from staff engineer to TLM is not a promotion. It is a lateral movement. The skills required for TLM are not a super set of SE. Their intersection is smaller than any of them. An effective TLM requires people skills than an IC SE does not. And it does not require the technical expertise of the SE.

  • @abstractalgo
    @abstractalgo2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video; very useful!

  • @moonbeam254
    @moonbeam2542 жыл бұрын

    i want to know who this 10x engineer now lol. in all honestly, amazing interview. super interesting anecdote on how to have a high impact.

  • @moonbeam254

    @moonbeam254

    2 жыл бұрын

    nvm, found him. what an amazing feat.

  • @Dennis-Ong

    @Dennis-Ong

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@moonbeam254 mine sharing?

  • @peekos

    @peekos

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@moonbeam254 who is it?

  • @peekos

    @peekos

    2 жыл бұрын

    nvm found him too lol

  • @juddmisaelbaguio2047

    @juddmisaelbaguio2047

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@peekos may I know who it is?

  • @slan7
    @slan7 Жыл бұрын

    the engineer he is referring to is Vijay Iyengar.

  • @siddharthkulkarni9028
    @siddharthkulkarni90282 жыл бұрын

    Great content !

  • @sunilsamal6475
    @sunilsamal64756 ай бұрын

    Are you from bits

  • @ritikrawat2447
    @ritikrawat2447 Жыл бұрын

    Have a question : How to merge 2 or more videos on android studios .

  • @TheMsnitish
    @TheMsnitish2 жыл бұрын

    SDE1 to CTO video next please?

  • @sandipansarkar9211
    @sandipansarkar9211 Жыл бұрын

    finished watching

  • @ImperialArmour
    @ImperialArmour2 жыл бұрын

    I used to find the word "impact" extremely toxic, and almost saw it as an abstract buzzword that's been thrown around the business space.

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    That word is definitely used a lot at companies like Meta..

  • @AbstractAbsorption
    @AbstractAbsorption2 жыл бұрын

    Are these titles really as meaningful outside FAANG companies (where there is significantly more structure and rigor in evaluation)?

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    It depends on the startup, generally you can get a good sense of how legit the titles are based on the background of the people who work there.

  • @Wiintb
    @Wiintb2 жыл бұрын

    Wow! This is a simple case of incompetence. If you build a system, among your primary set of non-functional capabilities should be your ability to arrive at “cost-revenue” maps. That should be much easier with the current infrastructure and architecture patterns. It would have been a decent story if at least you were running an in-house data centre. My hypothesis is that some of the Startup core teams might not have a greater exposure to managing software+business at scale. I base that on the theory that most startups focus on solving a problem for the customer or address an opportunity. They don’t look at the bigger picture. When I am called for advising angel investments, I see that the founders don’t have a good correlation between their product and their cash flow statements. I am happy that the man got some money for screwing the bulb. He deserves that anyway.

  • @able58
    @able582 жыл бұрын

    Rahul sir please make video on how to learn to code self taught and how to stay motivated while learning it and best way to learn programming

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Have you looked at Taro?

  • @able58

    @able58

    2 жыл бұрын

    No sir what is it?

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@able58 joinTaro.com

  • @SaifurRahman92
    @SaifurRahman922 жыл бұрын

    So, your skills or expertise in architecture doesn't matter. You just need to be a problem solver. I guess the person being talked about is having a wrong title. VP would have been a better role.

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Those go hand in hand - for engineers, problem solving is often done with technical acumen + architecture (not always but usually)

  • @mrrishiraj88
    @mrrishiraj882 жыл бұрын

    Good

  • @henrykwan1932
    @henrykwan19322 жыл бұрын

    Need a camera on David's face so it seems like he's talking to the audience rather than talking to you - which he is, but that's not the point of KZread

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback

  • @cmdv42
    @cmdv42 Жыл бұрын

    💯✨

  • @Neonb88
    @Neonb889 ай бұрын

    80-20 rule

  • @aj2228
    @aj2228 Жыл бұрын

    this guy's head is enormous

  • @ajikka5609
    @ajikka5609 Жыл бұрын

    The guy being interviewed is a bystander and not the rockstar.Stop with the clickbait.

  • @radiofreevillage
    @radiofreevillage2 жыл бұрын

    Primary reason for this career: luck and absence of standards on this employee's team. Promotion should be a result of _sustained_ performance at a certain level. You cannot own and successfully multiple major projects over a short period of time. Good for him, but stay away from his orgs. They are toxic.

  • @thedankest1974
    @thedankest19742 жыл бұрын

    Stop saying “impact”. Just be transparent and say “money”. Otherwise, nice video 👍

  • @Kirito098

    @Kirito098

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is impact though? The company would of course spend less to provide a software solution but it will change how the company will approach such issues in the future, that not all issues require a software related solution.

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    agreed with Paolo

  • @9959
    @99592 жыл бұрын

    Now go back to Twitter. Max is sde 3 :)

  • @Sanyu-Tumusiime
    @Sanyu-Tumusiime2 жыл бұрын

    aww he deleted my comments :'(

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    which comments?

  • @Linck192
    @Linck1922 жыл бұрын

    I came here thinking it was about the game dev company Rockstar :facepalm:

  • @RahulPandeyrkp

    @RahulPandeyrkp

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sorry to disappoint 😭

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