I installed a 4080 in my pick-up some twenty years ago, it's still going strong after all these years. If I ever sell the vehicle this amp will be staying with me.

I can't get enough of your videos. I still have a 60x2 and 100x2 that has moved through several cars I've owned and been in daily use since the late 90's. They still get the job done and anyone who rides in my truck for the first time is always impressed with the sound. I'm sure I could buy something more powerful and more efficient to replace them with, but no since fixing what isn't broken (and not likely to ever break).

Thanks for the comment. I don't currently have anything for sale, but make sure you are subscribed as I will put vids up of any equipment I decide to sell (usually goes fast!). Keep it old school BigDWiz - OldSchoolStereo-com

These are some of the best car amps rf built! I am running a whole system with a punch 40x2 and this sucker just hits! A pair of highs and one 12" sub all powered by one little amp. Sounds so clean and loud. I can imagine what a 60 or 100 would do!!

still running a 4080 in my 88 vw scirocco, running rockford 5 inch fanatic combo and a boxed 12inch punch sub. 25 years on and it still sounds incredible, the 'built in the USA'' quality is amazing, these amps fetch more than rockfords' current offerings !

@normalicy Yes, I've let a few good deals go myself...I do want a Power 50x2 though...let me know if you have an "extra". I have 4 DSM links, but only 2 are true links, the other two were made from a DSM amp and don't fit quite right. In the video, I only took one out of the box, the other one is NIB and still very minty

Legendary amps. Rockford Fosgate, old school ❤

@wal

4 жыл бұрын

Awe yeah!

Dang Dereck, that's a nice collection. It's amazing how most of them are still in awesome condition.

Wow, Big D livin the Rockford Fosgate dream!

Still great equipment. I still run a 60x2 and 100x2 combo. I bought them used/pampered in 1998 and installed them one car. Ran for 4 years, then pulled them and traded vehicles, reinstalled them 6 months later and have been running them since 2003 trouble-free in my current truck.

Now those are the Fosgate amps I remember. I wish Fosgate would do a retro throwback and call it something like classic or legacy! First system I ever seen was a old school Fosgate and 2 12w6 JLs. That system changed my life and set a high as hell standard of what a system should be.

Memory lane. I had Punch 60 back in the day and ran my whole car off of it, two 12" punch drivers, and 10 other drivers. Worked awesome. Later on I bought a 40 for the mids/highs and just put the 60 on the subs. Definitely cleaned up the bass when the amp didn't have to do all that other work. I'm sure everybody knows this, but DSM = Discrete Surface Mount. It was a new tech at the time. Basically just another step in miniaturization letting you cram more stuff on a circuit board.

I should have mentioned in the video the 2 DSM links that were made were actually given to me by another RF amp fan. He took the time to cut down an amp in attempt to make "links". They are difficult to use, b/c you don't have an easy way to connect them to your DSM amps, they just "butt up" next to them. The factory RF DSM links work much better, but the attempt to make them was a great effort!

Great comment, thanks for sharing your experience with these amps!

Found a 160x4 at a garage sale for 5 bucks. No clue if it works or what I'm gonna do with it but Def a nice piece of audio history and the heydays of RF.

@stayupfool101 Thanks...for the most part, I decided to stop after the DSM's. Only exception is the "25 to Life" amps.

@birdmanG6843 Thanks man, the DSM's are optimized for 2 ohms stereo or 4 ohms mono, but I wouldn't doubt it if your sub was a Dual 4 and you had the amp bridged at 2 ohms. This would explain why it got so hot as the amp was seeing a 1 ohm load. The DSM's can handle it, just make sure you've got good air flow on the amp. I used my 400x4's rear channels bridged at 2 ohms for years with no issues at all

Holy crap, that lineup is amazing! I am really jealous! Wow!

@wal

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother 👍

I had the 100ix for years. Pisd about 400 for it. Pushed 2 12's and also a single 15. Loved that amp. Don't remember what I did with it exactly.

As you said, Ken C. Pohlmann, the reviewer at CSR, rated these amps as simply the best. This guy was super -picky, a HUGE audio snob, he's a hot shot scientist. He tested all equipment on his own Porsche. His endorsement pretty much convinced me to invest in Punch amps at the time. I wasn't disappointed.

Going back to 1987 i had a punch 100 that I bought used, it had a signed front panel. Man that thing would thump, I ran two 10's and it powered them well.

I have a 100x2 tranzana pushing 1 12’’ wired mono at 4 homs is amazing that the power this amps can do

Takin me back in time seeing all those Rockford amps when Rockford ruled the world back in the day it was Rockford then there was other amps they ruled the car audio world at least in the circles I ran around in lol!!!

I have a punch 100ix currently, and wanted to test what it would do. It ran very stable bridged with 2x12" 4 ohm kicker comps and 2x12" dual 4 ohm L5s wired in series maxing out at 94 spl in a 99 Durango while all 4 windows and both front doors open. Subs are rear facing and reading was taken at center console at front of vehicle.

I had a 200IX running two 12 kicker comps. These amps were badass

hey D i have a punch 700s and i was wondering if u new which jumper to remove to make it drop to a lower ohm load

@bigdwiz AS&S (or was it CSR?) did a test on the 200DSM way back when it was released showing the 600w range & I've seen others confirm it. The 40 was just a gut feeling and I was talking 2 ohms mono. Of course they're not rated at 2 ohms mono, but I ran one for years like that. Nice to see you've upgraded the resistor bank. I ended up stripping an old amp heatsink & slapping a bunch to it for a rather humble 800w bank. Looking back, I wish I bought twice as many for the 2/4 ohm option.

can you please explain specifically how you configure the chip for the three settings? thank you!

@BigDWiz; I still have my punch 40 and punch 200ix amps from the mid 90s. The question I have is, will the 200ix bridged mono work with a single 12" JLW3V3 2ohm subwoofer? The amp says its 4ohms bridged, so i don't know if its compatible or not.

Hey do you sell them as well because I went to the page and I didn't see where to buy

@normalicy I tested the 200DSM earlier and got 600w in peaks (not continuous RMS) in my 2ohm mono tests. I also used almost all of my Rockford amps at 2ohms mono, after having the ability to test them, I'm starting to see they don't put out too much more in 2ohms mono than 4ohms mono, just quite a bit more heat (well in the case of the 200DSM, I guess 100w is nothing to sneeze at). But, if you are using dual 4ohm subs (or a single DVC 4 sub), then you don't have much choice...

I did some listening tests using some nice home speakers and a good source (uncompressed audio and a good DAC) and I compared the Orion HCCA series amps to the Fosgate Punch DSM series. I was fully expecting the Punch to sound worse but they were just as good if not a hint better than the HCCA amps (which are my favorite amps) for SQ. I was shocked actually. The punch amp I used was the 4080DSM. The orions I tested were the 225 and 250HCCA Digital reference series. I have new respect for DSM!

Still have my 4080DSM and it’s still cranking!!

I've got a 100ix and 400x4 with the link but only have the endcaps for the 400x4, any idea what this setup should go for?

I have two transana 160x4’s like the one in your video. Have you done a dyno on it? I searched, but can’t find anything.

@TDoginNC I have a really nice chrome shroud for a 1000, but no amp...yet. The market for them is out of control right now, so I'll patiently wait until they come down...

I have serious lust issues, not for you BigDWiz, but for your amp collection. My first amp was a Punch 60 DSM hooked up to a 1st gen Image Dynamics 15". I can't remember what material these amps were made of, but if I remember right they were heavy.

Heck yea your one lucky guy to have that museum

thanks for that video. I'm a huge Rockford fan and collector. I would seriously be interested in buying a lot of those old punch amps. if interested let me know!!!

Any chance you might have any of these left for sale or parts and caps couplings if so please get back to me just came across your video I know it was posted 10 years ago but it's worth a shot thanks

Anytime. Thanks for the awesome channel where we have the opportunity to leave awesome comments :)

Have you ever tested a punch 250x2 gray amp ?

When will you test the 100ix?

@normalicy I've tested some of the DSM amps and you're not too far off. For RMS power, the 40 was around 225 bridged, with max power over 300w. I didn't have enough resistors to test the 200's output bridged before (my setup was 400w, new setup is 1500w+), so I'm excited to test it. I do recall the 100DSM is more powerful than the 150HD

@gregorycarter9352

6 жыл бұрын

BigDWiz I had a Rockford Fosgate Punch P250.2 and I had ran it 2 ohms bridged and the amp got hit but never shut down.Could you test that amp for us one day?It said on the birth sheet that said it did 304 watts max rms and 912 peak power.Thank you.

I'm droooooling. I love the old punch stuff!

In high school i had a punch 200 and 3 W6 JL 12's talkina bout serious bass, ahhh those were the days

@wal

10 жыл бұрын

No doubt...that Punch 200 is a wolf in sheep's clothes - SMD Amp Dyno vs 1993 Rockford Fosgate Punch 200 DSM WOW!!

nice! reminds me of the good ol days... ran a Punch 40 for all my components, and Punch 60 for 2 10" Punch subs in my Iroc. System sounded really good. Then i bought a Punch 200... Thats a killer amp. Was gonna run 4 10"s off that amp, but by that time got busy with work and being an "adult" lmao, so car went into storage... Miss those days! Still have the car with the Punch system. Head unit was a Fosgate aswell, with remote. People thought it was cool shit back in the day when that stuff was still newer tech...

@wal

7 жыл бұрын

+splash growing up sucks! I guess that's why we enjoy reliving our childhood's so much

@splash5974

7 жыл бұрын

BigDWiz so true...

@splash5974

7 жыл бұрын

BigDWiz hey any idea where can locate a schematics for the Punch 200x2 ? searched the net, cant find a thing...

@wal

7 жыл бұрын

send me an email bigdwiz (at) gmail dot com and I'll send them to ya

How much would a punch 60x2 cost these days?

H3y BigD, which one was the sleeper amp that was (unofficial) 1 ohm stable and was used in competitions? (Thats what i heard) I have the big ass clipping display i bought for monitoring clipping but i dont have the right old school RF Amp to use it so im in the search for the strongest amp of this waffle design series you showing us here :) If i remember correctly, one could bridge those particular sleeper amps together to get double the power. You know which one it could be?

Hey nice collection!!!! I was wondering if you could help me out? I had a Punch 200DSM back in the day that was hooked up to a Rockford HX2 in a ported box that hit 145db it slammed. I just bought another 200DSM but I forgot what dual ohm the sub was when I had my old system. Do you know what the best ohm sub to get to get the most out of the amp I just don't remember what it was? But I do know that the amp got hot as hell and was bridged but lasted and was a great amp. Thanks if you can help.

hey big d i enjoy your videos you should get the earthquake 700 bx amp i had one of those back in 1998 with 2 autotek gold series 15 in a sealed box and that hit hard as hell try to get some to bench test.

I had the 100ix pushing their 12s in a 67 VW Bug with no back seat. Back in 1995 .That amp never shut off and i pounded it for 2 years. So yea them amps were bassass if u ask me

I had a punch 200x2 and a punch 40x2 (very first DSM transana amp) I bought the 40 broken and repaired pretty powerful small amp.

What's the difference between the DSM and trans.ana ?

a friend of mine had the punch 200 hooked to 4 mtx thunder pro 10" and boy you dont imagine how hard that car hit.

you have any that work for sale

Hey Big ... do you have a Power 1000 ???

@normalicy I have the May/June 1993 CSR; they tested 462w @2ohms mono at 14.4v and 354 @4ohms mono 14.4v. This is the test Rockford used for all of their early DSM ads, b/c the tester said he would choose this amp if his life depended on it (or something like that). I have the article scanned if anyone wants it, just send me a msg w/ your email address. I had an 800w setup, but it was either 2ohms or 8ohms. Now, my 1600w+ setup can do 4ohms or 1ohm and I can also do 2 channel 2ohm tests now.

other people went with orion and pheonix gold but nothing beat rockford for good quality hard hitting bass! I had punch 200 and a punch 60 on the highs but my babies were 2 HX2e 15' lawd have mercy!

Which were the ones for the subs. There was a guy he had only one I believe the 1000 watts with the yellow kickers 2 15" s he was heard 6 blocks away very clean and clear.

@wal

4 жыл бұрын

The most powerful DSM’s in my experience were the 200 DSM

@rgmKicker15

4 жыл бұрын

@@wal thank you for replying.

were do you get them all o_o

@bigdwiz Yeah, I do know that the DSMs only managed about another 5-20% going beyond spec, but it was nice to be able to. As you noted, sometimes it's not a choice.

@matthewstorm5188

4 ай бұрын

They did better than 5-20% over spec. But some did better than others. In terms of being underrated, the small amps (ie Punch 40, Punch 60) did best, producing about 250% of rated output at 4Ω. The Punch 200 was less underrated, only producing about 150% of rated output at 4Ω. But this is still much better than only 5-20% over rated power.

Well this video just clarified that the am I bough isn't just a 40dsm but a 40ix dsm. Now I just gotta fix it. And find some endcaps for it :).

Your the man bigdwiz. Nice collection i with i could have all those amps it would be like a dream come true

So u sell them?

Id love to know in a ballpark figure what the punch 60x2 trans ana or dsm 60 will do? I have a fella wantin to sale me one but I dunno what kinda numbers it throws out..

@wal

6 жыл бұрын

300'ish bridged at 4 ohms. Around 60w/ch at 4 ohms. Rockford rates it at about 1/2 of that

Is possible to run a punch 100ix at 2 ohm mono? I have a kicker compVR it's the old school model that's all black with red kicker logo it's a dvc 4 ohm have it in a ground shaker box. I picked up that amp for $40 on offer up its in mint condition came with end covers it's a nice looking amp

@wal

8 жыл бұрын

+Kevin Nieto yessir, all day long

Yeah man, I had no idea the 4020 was such as sleeper. I have a 4040 and 160x4 I'll compare to the 4020 sometime in the future. You just don't see amps underrated like this these days!

@wejustlivin2872

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure been awhile but wasn't there also a 160ix. I used 2 rf s in my Beretta on was a smallish 60 ix and the other i could have sworn was a 160ix and it was w bit larger and had 4 channels i used it for the door and deck speakers.....still not sure which one it was though......God how i miss them never had anything else like them

on my 125.2 the full range was on a separate card witch I didn't have

300 was next 4 channel. And a PA-1. On 15" don't remember what kind.

Yes, there was a Punch 40 as part of the "slider" series along with a Punch 100 "slider". The bass and treble controls had 3 sliding adjustments...low, mid and high. These amps were from the early - mid 80's before the first generation of Punch 45, 75 and 150's hit the market. This video was focused on the DSM amplifiers from around 1993 up until 1996 or so. Sorry you didn't make it far in the video :-(

The Best Amps I ever had...ever!!

I just purchased a working punch 60ix over Easter weekend do you know anywhere where I can purchase the end caps?

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck brother. The end caps are going for $70-80 these days when you can find them

@74midwestbass74

3 жыл бұрын

@@wal YES SIR!!! LET THE HUNT BEGIN😁!!!

I didn't make it very far in the video, on the Punch 40's. The whole series, there was an amp, Punch 40 before RF labeled them DSM. (Discrete Surface Mount) They came out with DSM as a model number scheme, every 2 years so you couldn't jump warranty dating, due to number scheme. So it was Punch 40> 40 DSM> Punch 40 DSMi> then Punch 40 DSM ix, with active x-over.

WIRING QUESTION for anybody. when using two of these (each bridged mono) for stereo I understand L+ R- for speaker connection. As far as signal input jack I'm stuck, can anyone tell me this? Alpine's of that year used the left input signal jack.

@charlespetersonii6989

4 жыл бұрын

Whatever amp you have type it in Google with manual at the end. Yiu can find all these old school original manuals and it will tell uou exactly from the manufacturer how to do it 👍. Heck tell me which amp you have ill find it for you.

@MrMartinkimber

4 жыл бұрын

@@charlespetersonii6989 First let me say thank you for responding sir. (I'm finding some videographers intent isn't teach & learn but rather to boast & reap) I actually have the owners manual however it doesn't cover this area. My plan now is to wait till it is installed and try it in different configurations. Thanks again.

Ive been wondering like crazy what the old school punch 60’s do rms watts wise? I know those little punch 40 amps really kick at 2 ohms!!!

@matthewstorm5188

4 ай бұрын

He does an amp dyno for the Punch 60. I believe that the certified numbers are something like 80W per channel into 4Ω stereo and 120W per channel into 2Ω stereo (double for bridged 8Ω and 4Ω, respectively).

Rockfordfosgate tweeters alpine 6×9 3 ways. Alpine door mounts.

LOL, you have a collection like mine. A bit smaller, but very similar. We were probably bidding against each other a number of times. One of these days I'm gonna find some space so I can lay out my collection. Oh & I'm completely confident you should get 600+ watts out of the 200's. The 40's get near to 300w.

@bigdwiz I've only got one Power 50x2. Wasn't planning on selling it & only have the 50x2 end cap unless I steal an endcap from another one of my power series amps. It's decent condition though. If you're serious, let me know. Yeah, I've contemplated making a couple links out of some of the dead DSM's I have. Never got around to it.

How would you rate the RF 201S amp wattage wise. Why does the top bage say 600 Watts. Im confused. Help me out BidDWiz. Thank you

@wal

6 жыл бұрын

They put 600 watts on the Amp because these were sold at Best Buy and they needed to keep up with the other mfg’s who were “fudging” the numbers (by using MAX numbers). Amp is rated 50x2 or 200x1 RMS

@Tom-wq2mz

6 жыл бұрын

BigDWiz So will it do 600 Watts. Thank you

What kind of watts did the punch dsm 60 do rms at 2 ohms

@matthewstorm5188

4 ай бұрын

About 120W per channel certified.

I would LOVE to see an amp dyno on that 60ix!

@matthewstorm5188

4 ай бұрын

He does this somewhere. I believe that the certified numbers are something like 80W per channel into 4Ω stereo and 120W per channel into 2Ω stereo (double for bridged 8Ω and 4Ω, respectively).

And forgot what size Alpine amp I had. But was for the highs.

I don't think you have enough !!!!!! NICE

I have a Punch 200ix DSM but it look the same of 200x2. Why or what is the difference?

@wal

6 жыл бұрын

Some late 200ix amps had the rounded end caps of the 200x2 or either somebody got different end caps and swapped the badges

@Windof

6 жыл бұрын

BigDWiz thank you, but i'm referring to the internal layout.

@bigdwiz I've backed off a lot on the amps lately. I literally have hundreds now. In fact, there have been a number of great deals lately that I let pass because I felt that someone else deserved a chance. It's funny though, I have 3 links & one box like you.

Got a question got the punch 200ix dsm brand new in box and got a punch hx2 10 2ohm dvc what is best way to run it so I can use them together

@wal

2 жыл бұрын

Wired the sub in series to get 4 ohms and bridge the amp

@johncranmer1884

2 жыл бұрын

@@wal would you do ported box or sealed box it’s going in a mustang and do box out of 3/4 birch

@johncranmer1884

2 жыл бұрын

@@wal where can I find link to make both amps look like one big amp

@wal

2 жыл бұрын

@@johncranmer1884 Those links are harder to find now than the amps themselves!

@johncranmer1884

2 жыл бұрын

@@wal yeah been looking for about 2 weeks

@bigdwiz Huh, I must be losing it. I swear 600w was the range, but that may be me remembering someone doing independent tests. I'd do my own tests, but am lacking a scope (stupid me gave the one I had years ago away). Some day I'd like to get your entire scanned collection if possible.

One question. How hard is it to find the chips?

@wal

3 жыл бұрын

They are out there, but best chance is to ask the RF Facebook groups

@skymiller7035

3 жыл бұрын

I might have 2 15 dvc punchs up for sale soon

Thanks for your help.

Are we gonna see these on the dyno? I really wanna see how the 60 performs!

@wal

5 жыл бұрын

I will eventually get to them. Check amp-performance.de as he’s tested several

@thecman26

5 жыл бұрын

@@wal right on!

you selling them

Rockford gems 💎 ✨️ ❤️

@bigdwiz Man u have all that old school RAW power. Companies just don't make amps like they used to. I had a punch 40 on two kicker competition 15's back in 1997 and that little amp pushed those speakers like they had 1000 watts going to them. That old school power was true wattage and the amps were totally underrated. They pushed way more power then they printed on the box. I wish I could get my hands on alot of different old school amps. If u wanna sell any send me a message. Serious buyer...

Ain't there 4 different model for punch 40dms punch 40i the ix and the tras ana x2 . And 3 model fro rest dsm series. Dsm ix and x2

@wal

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, there were 4 Punch 40 DSM models (40, 40i, 40ix, 40x2), not sure why they added the 40i model. I’ll need to ask Ron Trout

I had a halfer 25 or 35 x2 watts it bumped my 6x9...😉

Last night someone on my street left a pile of trash to the curb. I immediately noticed an old-school RF Punch X250.2. It was missing the end caps, and it looks like it has seen better days, but so what? I took that baby home. I'm going to try testing it this weekend, fingers crossed!

@jeffking3721

6 жыл бұрын

did it work?

If you still have any of these amps and feel like parting with ANYTHING, contact me, PLEASE

Sending U a message...

I don't kno shit about Amps but I hired a company and installed a Rockford amp and 12 subs but does sound right