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@christopherswain6492

2 жыл бұрын

I have a question how can it be called fully restored if it has grain is my only complaint on the back it saids fully restored and i have a lot of anime from the 90s and one from 82 and i just wanted to ask can it be called fully restored if it not clear picture

@eirvingdiaz7185

Жыл бұрын

I would recommend everyone watch Robotech because it is a great show, compare that with Tom & Jerry or Spiderman or Warner Bros - totally different. Nice stories. Thunder! THunder! Thunder cats hoe!!!!

I wanted to buy this, I was excited for it. The fact it is grainy is no issue for me. I am skipping it because it doesn't have the original audio. That is the major disappointment for me. It's the same reason I have never purchased the Terminator on blu-ray. Robotech is a major part of my life as well but I just could never get used to the rerecorded audio with updated sound effects. I will stick with my old DVDs.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate for those who may not understand what you’re referring to?

@sandmanloganfive1478

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight Sure, the original DVD releases from 2001 (aka The Legacy Collection) are the original as broadcast in the 80s versions. The Protoculture Collection (blue box set) that you are talking about has revised audio. It also contains additional scenes (nudity, more violence) that were not shown on tv. I like the Protoculture box for the same reasons you do, the extras are terrific but the shows themselves are not what I fell in love with in the 80s. I was hoping that these blu-rays would rectify this but sadly that is not the case. So I will never part with my original DVDs. =o)

@ItsyNibbles

2 жыл бұрын

@@sandmanloganfive1478 i just bought this bluray set and was horrified when i saw the new opening titles sequence. i wanted to puke. thank christ i still have my old legacy dvds which are exactly as originally aired and long out of print now.

@jasonleetaiwan

Жыл бұрын

I will give you a good reason to buy this set over all other sets. They have reinserted scenes that were cut from the original broadcast version that definitely improve the experience. These were cut for violence and adult themed content like Jeanne in Southern Cross showering or taking a bath. Now we can finally see Dana Sterling doing these things with Robotech music and thus making it a more adult show. It's definitely better to watch it this way. I don't have the Protoculture edition, but I think the grain that you can see is actually what it was meant to be. It's hand drawn animation as this channel has stated. It's normal for it to look grainy. It looks like animation and not a CGI show. The sound effects change the experience in ways that aren't always good, but that's the price you have to pay for better picture quality and added scenes that were cut for television.

@n333k333

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonleetaiwan Can you guys clarify please ? Are the english dubs the original 80s ones and they changed the sound effects or is it a whole new english dub ?

First time viewer of the channel and I wanted to share with you some information on why there is a ton of negative review on this set: Harmony gold has in their possession old 16mm prints that are not in the best of shape. They have burned a lot of bridges over the years so the chances of them getting ahold of the proper masters from japan from Big West are almost zero. in 2012 Big West remastered and released Macross on Blu-ray in Japan and it has a cleaner picture with a lot of detail that was washed out of this transfer that harmony gold did. While Big West and Harmony Gold did finally solve the legal battle that took 20 years, the chances of Big West actually handing those masters over to Harmony Gold to release Robotech is next to none honestly, maybe for use for a Macross Blu-ray in the future, but not for Robotech. With the current materials that harmony gold and funimation have to work with, this is the best Robotech will ever look. Southern Cross has never received a remaster or blu-ray release in japan, and Tatsunoko did release Mospeada on blu-ray with a remaster in Japan. This set could had some post production to clean up the visuals, but honestly without the legends that are the team at discotek media, such restoration projects don't happen in the industry. its a servicable release and its nice to at least get a better rip of the southern cross footage that until now was only on dvd. I picked this up for the collection just to have, and i am mainly just waiting for Big West to announce a licensing agreement with funimation or another company on when the rest of the Macross Franchise is getting a blu-ray release. keep up the great work!

I bought the $250 set and I like it. Yeah it's pricey but watching Robotech after school back in the day.... the blu ray version is definitely a huge upgrade. Idc about grain. It's about reliving good memories of my youth . You can't please everyone... but I'm pleased. No regrets on my purchase .

@ViewpointProd

10 ай бұрын

Yes, but the version you bought is nothing like the version of your youth, it’s in fact a lot worse than the original

@voiceofreason9258

8 ай бұрын

I have a question for you. Is the blu-ray remaster photographed in 16x9 format? (Were the original cells photographed in a wide aspect ratio and cropped for normal television 4:3) Or is the Blu-ray in the 4:3 aspect ratio? I wish he would have mentioned this in his video. I also noticed that the sample pictures of the remaster look over saturated and over contrasty (light colours look blown out compared to the TV broadcast that I had recorded on video tape (maybe caused by degradation of the film)).

@tommys2077

8 ай бұрын

@@voiceofreason9258 4:3 format

@reptomicus

6 ай бұрын

@@voiceofreason9258 Originals were in 4:3 because it was shot in 16mm film

@voiceofreason9258

6 ай бұрын

@@reptomicus Ya, I kinda figured that. On the DVD version I have you can see the rounded corners of the film frame in some scenes. I used Handbrake to set them up on my Plex server, and I cleaned up a lot of the grain. Looks quite good, just a few spots the software didn't seem to know quite what to do with it. But in my edition there are scenes where it looks terribly pixelated (on the original DVD). It is like they lost the original footage in those spots and resorted to using digitized video tape.

I actually appreciate your opinion on this one Heath. I admit I’m a grain fan too so to know that there IS grain makes me happy. I tend to not like DVNR at all or films that look “too clean” (which is 99.9 percent of the Disney “restorations” of their animated films these days).

I was a big fan of Robotech but has since moved in to the original Japanese version so much better and a lot of footage not in Robotech. DYRL is such a beautiful movie BW and HG are basically fight to see how has distribution rights outside Japan.

@provisionalhypothesis

29 күн бұрын

I mean it's cool. I do like that movie. But it is more about idol singer worship and less about the interesting ideas robotech presented about a galactic war over resources.

If you need another example, it’s called the deculture edition. Fans took the blu ray of Macross and put the audio of Robotech over it. The Macross blu ray is super clean, and shows how you can actually clean up old animation. The grain that exists in the new collections is not original grain, which is the problem. kzread.info/dash/bejne/X2qA0Y-BocabYNo.html

@reptomicus

9 ай бұрын

The Macross edition was also taken from a higher generation negative. The robotech version was taken from another generation away copy. That said, both prints are still 16 mm and are not going to get substantial detail improvement, only noise reduction with a cleanup.

My only complaint of the dvd box set is how they changed the sound effects of the guns. They got rid of that classic machine gun sound and replaced it with a softer sounding effect that sounds like a kid making machine gun sounds with his mouth.

This is why we love you Heath! You do the best with laying everything out and explaining it! It is easier to understand what you are talking about over many other people.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

That’s kind of you to say, thank you!

@perryfan49

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight you are very welcome buddy!

I own the Australian release of the Protoculture collection, fantastic release but different art work, if I could send a picture in comments I would

Oh people are whining that there IS grain? They don’t know how good they have it, grain elimination is losing detail.

@alopexau

2 жыл бұрын

Can you imagine being the kind of shallow, fake film fan who thinks things like the post-level-sets BD's of DBZ actually look like an improvement... I'm actually still quite shocked that Robotech didn't get the same horrendous vaseline job from Funimation. If only more classic anime could be so lucky...

I do follow Robotech dvd saga and the drama since the 2002 they alter the sound effects because the original masters were lost in a studio fire. They had to rely on Laser disk and VHS copys from Blockbuster Video to revive the whole series which I don’t blame them. They wanted to revive the series and the Digital remastered version they had to removed the old shooting sound effects. If you want a reference look up The movie Macross Do you Remember Love that had the original sound effects from the TV show.

Bought the new Blu Ray release today. The quality is crap. I’ll pull my Animeigo set to watch instead.

Hey, I just watched your review (on my 4K TV), and I have some questions. I didn't watch Robotech back in the 1980s and instead got into it in the early-to-mid-2000s when it was released on DVD. Out of those early DVD releases, I decided to buy The Legacy Collection (the 7-box set), which seemed the most complete to me. This is the original, aired version of Robotech, before they made Robotech Remastered: Extended Edition (which I didn't buy on DVD). I had recently bought the Macross Saga Blu-ray at Walmart but left it unopened until I could read reviews. Then I decided to hit KZread, and what you're saying makes sense. Thank you. Question #1: Compared to The Legacy Collection, does The Protoculture Collection have any extra extras? Question #2: I read somewhere that Robotech II: The Sentinels was remastered somewhere. Possibly on The Protoculture Collection. Is that true? If so, what was changed? Question #3: Will Robotech II: The Sentinels be released on Blu-ray? Question #4: Will Codename: Robotech be released on Blu-ray? Question #5: Will Robotech: Love Live Alive be released on Blu-ray? I've never seen this, but I'm interested in seeing it, even though it's just a glorified extended clip show ala Codename: Robotech. Question #6: I watched a split-screen comparison video of the opening theme of The Macross Saga from The Protoculture Collection and the Blu-ray, and it's obvious that the titles were redone. Seemingly different font (or at least different effect) and lack of "The Macross Saga". Was anything else altered for the Blu-ray release? Is it still the Extended Edition with all of the extra footage intact?

I hear complaints about every release from every anime. I’m happy with my old DVDs of most of the old anime. I’m not a video snob.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

There's an awful lot of complaining in the fandom, but we've never had it so good!

Well, I've been watching my copy, and I agree with Cereal it has a nice film-like look. BUT . . . in every episode I'm experiencing audio drop-outs and hard to comprehend dialog (no other discs are doing this). It feels like a step back overall, like you will be holding on to my Big Blue Box!

@MonkeyPunchZPoker

2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried the included digital episodes? Curious if they look nearly as good or have the same audio issues. BTW sometimes things get on discs at the factory, it wouldn't hurt to inspect them for weird films or smudges and possibly clean (with appropriate materials of course).

I have the same Robotech DVD collection and it is amazing. Got a 2nd DVD set for $10 at a swamp meet a few years ago and it didn't even take me a second to think about it. I saw the Blu Ray for Part 1 and 2 at BestBuy yesterday. On the fence if I wanted to shell out the $100 for both when I am happy with the DVD collection. Good youtube video though and keep up the great work.

Hi May ask you an info? I’m only interested in the deleted unused scenes because I’m making my personal blue ray with the video from the wonderful remastered Macross. I have the complete series collection, so the only unused scenes are minmay hair episode 2, and couple of second of global in episode 1. Arr there other scenes in the blue ray? The extras of the series one (the only I’m interested) are also in the single blue ray series or you need the entire collection?

Wow...$45 for the set. I remember when single used VHS tapes of the series sold for that much or more. I don't have 4K so the sting of those that do that winge on about grain is really frustrating. Reminds me of all the guys I've know with Leica cameras that couldn't take a decent shot. Hopefully the Gatchaman: Complete Collection will get another reissue.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! Even the DVDs from the early 2000s were a much more financially-impactful purchase. We're living in some glory days, and I'm loving every minute of it.

@provisionalhypothesis

29 күн бұрын

to be honest; from the beginning of the 4k revolution, it's been way overhyped. going from 480i to 1080p was the actually big deal. After that, there's some content that really benefits, mainly nature docs shot with 4k cameras, but I don't think 4k really matters otherwise. especially with anime/cartoons.

I still have the original broadcast and remastered extended DVDs (remastered Macross and Masters) . I'll have to think hard about getting the blu ray set.

Are you excited for the Macross series post 1987 (i.e. Macross II, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Zero, Macross Frontier and Macross Delta)?

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

I'm interested, but I can't say I'm excited because I haven't heard anything about those getting a release! As much as I would love to support the Macross franchise, I don't believe those have been announced.

I've never been so early and clicked as fast as when this popped into my feed. I've been hoping for a BluRay of this in Australia (or at least accessable here) and I hope that this at least watchable. I'm happy to vote with my dollar because I've not bought anything until now, and I'm more a BluRay guy anyway. Also, I LOVE big chunky extras, figures, art, books, etc.

@imkayjaylea

2 жыл бұрын

Lastly, I've only been looking casually over the past year while getting other movies on BluRay, so I may have missed something. So yeah, 100% buying this so I can watch it. I watched The Fog 4K transfer, that was grainy to all hell and I still enjoyed it.

My Robotech Complete Collection still holds up. :) It's the 7 volumes with extras before 2002. Also the Macross and Southern Cross and Space Climber original Japanese prints from adv are cool too. You can see how much of it was changed. Watch the original run over and over. Was about 14 years old when it came out in 1985. Now nearly 52.

Hello from Oregon, wow that's so awesome that your a fan too! I love Robotech and miss it so much. I wanted a movie so bad, that would have been unreal. That box set looks great. Thank you for the review.

Thank you for the review. I have all the individual DVDs that make up the Protoculture collection, but before they were all bundled together, so it's 21 individually packaged DVDs from 7 sets that came out in 2001, so they are 20 years old. I'd love to replace them with the Blu Ray and save all that shelf space but I have a couple of concerns. 1. My DVD have the original TV opening, whereas many later DVD and online releases had a different opening. 2. Are ALL the extras from the DVD present? Especially the movie Robotech II The Sentinels, is not something I would want to miss out on.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

No, not all the extras from the DVDs are on the new Blu-rays. You’ll want to hang on to those for the original TV cuts (as opposed to the longer remastered cuts) and the special features that didn’t get carried over. When I have all three volumes at the end of the year, maybe I can do a comprehensive review comparing what didn’t get carried over.

Glad Robotech and Macross are being distributed again been easy too long a wait. My biggest concern about new Robotech releases would be if they contain the original sound effects. The most recent DVD releases changed them completely and now gunpods sound like lasers instead of a gatling gun amongst other changes. Want to make sure I can have original audio.

Would be nice if someone could prepare the 2012 Japanese release of Super Dimensional Fortress Macross with this bluray release.

Exactly the info I needed! I want to “send a message” by supporting this product, but I was concerned that message would be that no matter how lazy and insultingly half-assed a reissue is FANS WILL BUY IT. I don’t want to play a part in that, and I heard terrible reviews. You’re telling me it is absolutely the best version, and that is a pleasant surprise! My brother used to sing Minmei songs to annoy me. Thanks!

I still have not opened my LE set yet,but still love my ProtoCulture set from ADV !

Harmony God and Big West and the others settled just a few months ago. New Robotech will be coming, and hopefully, older ones. I'd love a pristine legit copy of Macross Frontier and Macross Delta. I have the ADVideo Macross 7 from the 90s.

Funimation is not good at removing the grain as seen on the last DBZ Anniversary release there was a lot of Backlash. That's why they didn't do it this time.

This was the exact comparison I wanted, thanks! Already owning the Protoculture DVDs as well as a previous DVD release and some sort of ultimate Macross box set I'd welcome an excuse not to pay for it again but as both Macross Saga and The Masters Saga are under €28 each I might as well. For some reason The Next Generation is €62 so will be skipping that, I never liked that part anyway.

I'm waiting for the price to go down, no way am I paying retail price but at least Robotech is in the public awareness thanks to Funimation.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

The $45 price on Amazon is 35% off the retail.

Thank you for your review. I'm very happy to have found this video. I might subscribe.

11:49 I’ve been there many times with movies and features. The more quiet programs though.

Thanks Heath!

I needed a review before I put the money down for the big complete set. You started talking about how much grain was in this transfer and I was already clicking the buy now button. This and Evangelion having grain is great news. Please stop removing it! Thanks for the review and I can’t wait for my set to arrive.

I enjoyed Robotech, BUT....Lin Min Mei irritated the crap out of me. Loved the design of the ships/fighters though. I always was a Star Blazers guy.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

"Stage lights flashing, the feeling's smashing" Minmei gets more annoying the older I get!

@davejanes8091

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight Good to know I'm not the only one.

@ViewpointProd

2 жыл бұрын

minmay*

Ι can't help but feel that this review is overly biased, I get the vibe that you would recommend anything with a Robotech sticker on no matter what the price/quality/vfm.

@CerealAtMidnight

Жыл бұрын

Based on what, me liking the look of film? Quite a leap, IMO. My enthusiasm for Robotech is mostly for the series itself, and I'm old school, meaning I come from the era of celluloid. I like the way these look--like they were made 40 years ago.

Are these the ones with extra footage because they are uncensored?

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

They do have more footage than the episodes that aired on TV in the 80s, yes.

"Global's Report" the 70 minute pitch movie sampler, was not realy a pilot. It's the sales reels for the show. It's actually very interesting. Some of it isn't in any episode later. Also the 'cliffhanger' at the end of New Generation is not in the original series Space Climber MESOPEADA. The Jupiter Section 'expeditionary force' is not from Rick Hunter in the story. It's just Jupiter Section come to rescue Earth. But you all probably know that. In my fan films though, I got the SDF3 home. :)

May I be that person, curious where did you find that t shirt, trying to look myself but can't seem to find >.>

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

www.hottopic.com/product/robotech-rick-hunter-t-shirt/15499437.html

Sadly the Japan blurays AV is superior as its scanned from the original negative vs Harmony's replica, it would've been nice if they took the AV from that and re-edited the episodes again and applied the original english audio (not the 5.1 mix) and provided the new ADV dub as an alternative which didn't finish before resuming the 5.1 mix as an alternative english audio track for the remainder of the episodes. It would of course probably require $500k to do it and there's not enough fans to cover the costs I've owned numerous releases and still prefer the original audio mix & original opening/closing which has basically vanished at this point sadly. The show is meant for oldskool fans yet they keep on jazzing it up like a Michael Bay movie

At least with 35mm movies, the film grain is technically able to be better than 4K equivalent. That's why movies pre-late 90's look so great when scanned to 4K. In the late 90's and early 2ks movies went digital and unfortunately at a lower resolution than 4K. That's why something "old" like The Fifth Element is natively 4K when something relatively "new" like Tron Legacy is upsampled to 4k.

My question is are the blu ray versions of Robotech in English dub. Reason I ask is when I look on Amazon and Ebay in the description it says language is in Japanese but the back of the cover says audio English. I'm just wanting to know before I spend money on this

@CerealAtMidnight

Жыл бұрын

It's only in English.

@gabevest8825

Жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight thanks for the info

Cobra’s 4K release is from Discotek. I suppose they do tend to really smooth out the grain but you don’t really loose quality or color like some of the other studio releases. And they always try to do the things that fans ask for like really obscure anime and multiple dubs if they exist.

I HATE when they remove grain. That's just how it looks. If you don't want it to look like it's original source, stick to new shows/movies. Better quality should just bring it as close to the original source as possible, not smudge it up and smooth it out artificially.

Looking to buy a set but hate grain... Which one should I go with?

@CerealAtMidnight

Жыл бұрын

If you hate grain, you'll hate the Blu-rays. I'd go with DVD.

@JSC178

Жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight How many different DVD releases have their been? I heard the Legacy set has the original sound effects which I would prefer.

@CerealAtMidnight

Жыл бұрын

I've bought the series at least three times. I can't speak to which version is the most untouched, though. It's just been too long for me to remember what changes were on which edition. I have nothing but praise for The Protoculture Collection, though.

@JSC178

Жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight Yeah, that’s the one I’m leaning towards. Thanks 😊

Thank for showing between 2 different types of DVD and Blu ray. I'm concerned about DVD I was wondering if there have closed captions or subtitles in there DVD case ? I do have Blu ray closed captions/ subtitles that I'm very happy. Because I'm Deaf need read what they say than without CC or subtitles. I do remember back 80s on TV show had come with closed captions. Till saw VHS I check there have closed captions.. later saw they keep changed new design case and started confused remix and missing originals tv show . Had to wait till released DVD the first one robotech released saw there have closed captions and watch movie I was Soo upset there no closed captions and knew those movie was not original from TV show something had add show never seen before. Till I got Blu ray robotech released I was very excited and saw grains I was puzzle I'm not complaint about that issue but the sounds was so low couldn't hear very well had to turn higher volume. I'm not sure if you have experience problem with sounds volume from Blu ray ? I love Robotech forever!!

Batman beyond had grain on blu ray and I agree it kinda adds character I also preach to people if you like summit support it. But most time falls on deaf ears and they pirate stuff

Do the included digital episodes look as good as the Blu Ray episodes?

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't yet redeemed the digital episodes (I prefer the uncompressed physical media presentation), so I'll let others comment with their opinion.

@seanfazekas3027

2 жыл бұрын

Can you tell us where the digital copies are redeemed? iTunes only has the SD version that I’m aware of while funimation has the HD version of the series.

Just got the Blu Ray disc not too long ago, but the digital codes no longer work or may be redeemed. The site it is redeemed on is no longer on the market. So sad I was unable to redeem it. But I got the Blu Ray disc’s. I’m happy about that.

@iloveaircraftforever

Жыл бұрын

Is thr remaster audio? Not the original on air audio from tv?

love Robotech, my faves were the motorcycle episodes

I'll wait for the real show called: Super Dimensional Fortress Macross.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Has there been any confirmation that Funimation plans to release SDF Macross? We are al hoping, but I haven’t heard that it’s actually coming.

@vintageweeb8260

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight not yet.

LOL... you need to know the original Macross material. It's NOT a original film footage, it's a COPY from the original film that Harmony Gold have. Try to watch the original SDF Macross TV japanese Bluray... and cry...

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

"A copy from the original film that Harmony Gold have." That's absolutely correct, and I don't believe anything in this review says otherwise. This Robotech restoration was sourced from the best available film elements. I'm sure the Japanese elements for Macross are better, butt those weren't available. They haven't been made available, and it is possible that they never will be made available for North America. As long as I've been a Robotech fan, people have been talking about a superior source for Macross, but it never shows up. If we get Macross from the original source material, I'll dance with joy, but until then, if that day ever even comes, Funimation provided fans with the highest resolution image that has ever been available for Robotech (note I didn't say Macross). And yes, it comes from film, and no, it's not from the Japanese master prints.

@MegaroadProducciones

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight The agreement between Harmony Gold and Big West was announced in April of this year, months before Funimation released this horrendous version. They could well have made an agreement to use or have access to the Japanese remasters. But they didn't do it out of sheer pride, and Harmony Gold's zero interest in keeping Robotech. They are more interested in making a measly profit with the law of least effort. And there is also what is an open secret that Robotech has become another of Farouk Frank Agrama's money laundering fronts. And by the way, Funimation is one of the worst anime distributors in the West. I'm not a Robotech fan, I've already passed that stage. But even I realize that the changes made to the material are disastrous. From those horrendous new sounds, to a quality that could have been so much better. And not to mention the special pack, which leaves much to be desired. They included a mediocre figure, with new paint ... for God's sake. As for supporting the franchise ... I fully understand what you mean. But it is also true that if the company makes releases lacking in quality, supporting those releases is a double-edged sword, it could make companies believe that we like those poor quality editions. It is a complex debate. In any case, in this particular case, it is useless to support a franchise that is already dead, as was clear with Robotech Academy. Neither companies nor fans are interested in Robotech. The general public does not know the franchise much less remember it. And the toy companies know that what really sells is Macross, not Robotech. Not for nothing all merchandising is% 99.9 oriented to Macross, they are not interested in what MOSPEADA or Southern Cross is. It sounds like a harsh thing, but it is the sad reality. Harmony Gold USA killed its own franchise.

Thanks, subbed :-)

I own both adv DVD collections the original cut and the special edition.

The Funimation version is very nice looking. The sound effects aren’t the original ones, but besides that, it’s superior to the Legacy version. Seeing the original broadcast version is great, but the picture quality in the Legacy DVD’s are terrible.

Great review and presentation, but I have to apologize on the grain. It's a bit too much. Grain on this blu-ray release is due to poor digital encoding and "hiding" low resolution problems. Apparently, Funimation/Harmony Gold couldn't get their hands on the pristine prints of Macross when creating this Robotech release. It's a nice try but they could do far better, especially at the $45.99 price point. I think the smaller the TV someone watches this on the better. I'm watching this on a 75" 4K HDTV, which shows every single encoding problem. Though, I watch plenty of blu-ray titles on this TV and they look fantastic! The Robotech BD looks awful.

@CerealAtMidnight

Жыл бұрын

Word on the street is that this is a raw scan of print elements with no cleanup whatsoever, which is fine by me (we seventies and eighties kids love our grain) but not so copacetic for the modern anime generation, which I admittedly am not a part of. Having seen how shows like Sailor Moon and even Dragon Ball Z have had line art wiped out by DNR attempts to remove grain from traditional cel animation, I'll take that thick, rich grain over detail loss any day of the week, but it's definitely a divisive issue! Seems to be a 50/50 spit among fans.

I actually like the grainy effect of old movies unlike the smoothen out old cartoons like what they did with DBZ. We just need a Voltron Blruray

I got this for $14, the first time I saw it, it looked more like digital noise than grain.

So is it wide screen, full creek or comes out on original aspect ratio?

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

It’s the original 4:3 aspect ratio.

Robotech forever!!!!!

i got the macross do you remember love ps3 edition that came with the show and movie plus game its blue-ray came out back in 2012 for i believe i paid 600 for it back then

Grains! ;)

Thanks for this review. The Amazon reviews make it sound like an awful product, but I'm glad to see the anger is a bit misinformed and overblown.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

It's such a crazy thing! There's an audience out there who simply doesn't care what it's SUPPOSED to look like, they want everything to look like a 60 fps PS5 game. It sincerely reminds me of people who used to complain about the black bars on DVDs presented in their correct aspect ratio. I'll be reviewing the next volume soon!

9:20 grainy grainy 🤮🤮🤮 no thank you. I'll stick to my protoculture collection.

Just came on you channel. Your video was informative to Robotech vets. However, I've never watched it before. Grew up in the 80s and LOVE G1 Transformers, G.i Joe, Voltron, all that. My question is, as a Robotech noob, would I like it considering I'm a big fan of Transformers? I could be wrong but is Robotech have more serious, more in depth characters and story? Don't care about the grainy picture or anything like that. Thanks.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, if you like Transfomers, Joe, and Voltron, then Robotech should be right up your alley. It's slightly more mature storytelling, especially the uncensored episodes that are on this Blu-ray. Hope you enjoy it!

@yellowmartian

2 жыл бұрын

You'll probably like it more than G1 Transformers. It's a very mature show along the lines of Batman the Animated series or Exo Squad. Definitely more mature than the classic 80s cartoons of transformers, gi Joe, and Voltron. I love all those shows too, but my all-time favorite cartoon is Robotech, hands down and possibly my favorite sci-fi franchise of all-time as well. Go ahead and watch this series, you won't be disappointed. Season 1 is taken from the Macross anime and is the best season. Season 2 was taken from Southern Cross, a different anime. it's ok, it's different but it's the worst season. Season 3 come from Genesis Climber Mospeada, a different anime. It's better than the Southern Cross season but not as good as season 1. Then there's the Robotech II movie, which was the first 3 or so episodes of a new season that would have followed an expeditionary force and followed Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes, the main characters. The show only got 3 episodes because of the Japanese/US exchange rates going crazy in the 80s and made it too expensive to complete, which is a damn shame. That season would have been called the "Sentinels." The there's the 2007 movie Shadow Chronicles, which takes place basically at the same time as the end of season 3 or shortly after it. Anyway, Robotech is awesome and I'm sorry for writing a Russian novel about it. Watch it. You're welcome 👍😂

@LittleBigKid707b

2 жыл бұрын

@@yellowmartian So the blue ray at Best Buy has part 1 Robotech the Macross Saga, part 2 The Masters Saga and part 3. Are All 3 completely different and have nothing to do with each other? Is part 2 and 3 worth a watch? Or should I just watch Part 1? Man are you very knowledgeable on this series. I grew up in the 80s. How did I not know about this? Was this on regular T.V? Anyway, thanks for the info.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Robotech was created from three different Japanese anime series. Carl Macek connected the three individual stories into one narrative and labelled them "sagas" that span multiple generations. Die hard anime fans will criticize Robotech for this, but the truth is that it introduced true anime to millions of kids in the 1980s and was a big gateway in bringing Japanese animation to the United States. Robotech aired in syndication, so different markets had it on different channels at different times. Some channels didn't show it at all! Macross is generally accepted as being the best of the three sagas, but the others have things to enjoy as well, especially since they do continue the story.

@LittleBigKid707b

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight Thanks for the info!

Hate the HD Remaster. Frame cropped, colour & details have been crunched. Overbright. Infact, I disliked it so much that I am re-editing Robotech Macross Saga, with the footage from the Macross HD Remaster.

When I popped in the blu ray I seriously thought I had gotten scammed. I have seen fan projects of old anime redone in 1080 and 4k look better then this. Yes their are some caveats to them and they do not look as good as anime meant for 1080 and above, but they look better then the macross blu ray. Don't get me wrong this is better then the original I will admit but not as good as the Japan hd release. Now will I buy the other 2 parts yes. Cause I said if they ever release all of robotech on blu ray I would buy them to put with my DVD set. I will probabvly wait till they are being sold used though.

its an overbearing amount of grain. these discs are unwatchable. i don't care how anyone else rationalizes it. other animation from the same era exists on blu ray and looks great.

Doesn’t protoculture have some nudity that wasn’t in the 1980s series?

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it does.

@knowthycell

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight trying to introduce my 14-year-old son to Robotech and that was the deciding factor. Just received it today

Hi mate. I disagree. Isn't a High-res problem. I'm creating my personal Robotech blueray (almost done), using the Original Japanese Macross Blueray. Try to have a look at that...the blueray Japanese version is waaaaaaaaaay better in terms of quality, and 1080p. I'm using the 5.1 audio from the horrible funimation blueray, but using the Macross Japanese Blueray video...need some editing but the results is eons better. I sent 50min per episode to.edit it and I'm an amateur. In conclusion, "by nature" nothing, it's bad blueray, that's it. I will send you the first episode I made, you can judge by yourself.

@masterlex34

3 ай бұрын

Will you be sharing on your channel or some other site?

@giannipolini2544

3 ай бұрын

@@masterlex34 I will start next week with some clips. If I’ll see people interest I will upload the rest. I also added scenes from the pilot, always using jap video and eng audio from the pilot. I don’t like anything after the Macross Saga, but I left the masters pieces in the 3 episodes where they appeared

I have like 2-3 different editions on dvd and the Japanese editions of the original, it is getting out of hand. I won't buy another edition, will bluray actual improve the image quality to upscale it.

Macross saga is the best

Does this Blu-ray release include ‘fan service’ the US broadcast versions removed? Asking cuz I really don’t care for that and my wife is a hard sell on anime already 😎

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's the mostly uncut versions that have more fan service.

@Gamma00Ray

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight Interesting. I could've sworn Rightstuf had it listed as 7+. It's like Itsudatte My Santa all over again :D

@Gamma00Ray

2 жыл бұрын

@@CerealAtMidnight Oh, you just showed the back of the box while I'm watching. It says TV14. I was curious about that.

I don't know if I'll ever understand the complaints people have about the blu-ray releases of old shows like this (the DBZ community is bad for this as well). We're talking about cartoons from the 80's and 90's that were made to be watched on old tube TVs. It's not going to be perfectly crisp and clear no matter what format you get. For the hardcore people I'm sure the minor differences jump out at them, but for the average person just looking to get ahold of a classic show in a current format this sounds like just the thing.

Anyone complaining about grain in this release has no understanding of, or respect for film. The grain is literally the detail, to want DNR is to want to destroy the detail, you people who want everything abnormally smooth on your high def TVs make me sick. What kills this set for me is the lack of the original audio mix, the new sound effects are wimpy and awful, and the levels are really inconsistent, with sounds either being too quiet, muffled or they're so blown out in the mix they drown out the music.

Grain evangelists are the worst. Excessive grain makes a film nigh-unwatchable. At times it can resemble a swarm of insects buzzing around the screen. Ugh.

@CerealAtMidnight

2 жыл бұрын

Someone has a different opinion than you and you've labelled them "the worst" instead of saying "it's not my preference and here's why." You're no more right or wrong than I am. It's a preference, and I explained why I prefer the look of original film and prefer no digital tinkering in my film-era transfers. You may disagree, but it doesn't make me think you're the worst.

@mr.smith45

2 жыл бұрын

The go watch your DNR flims that look like a smeared mess