Dick Cavett is an exceptional interviewer. He responded to what the guest said and not what he thought audience's wanted asked. Basically a great conversationist.

@georgem5589

11 ай бұрын

Cavett is a good interviewer but his opinions were all wrong about Guilder, one of the smartest guys around, an expert on so many things including 'information'. Shaw telling him he can't write and George saying 'oh baloney' was beautiful. These uneducated Hollywood people had no idea who George Guilder was, and decided to treat him badly. Not much has changed, George is still kicking and writing books, and boneheads in Hollywood are still generally stupid.

@GreenCloudArtOrg420

10 ай бұрын

This episode is his shining moment, he was locked in 🤩

Wow. Mr. Cavett’s skills as a host on full display here. Combines his brains with empathy, without the need to be overly comical or distract from the discussion. I hear him flatly stating his limits with the protestors in a respectful tone - and thus all leave with their dignity intact. What a gem. Mr. Cavett, wondering if you may have any protégées to restore this type of show back on the air?

@badfinger524

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. That was refreshing considering today’s environment.

@jcmighty7028

2 жыл бұрын

A master class in hosting

These segments are gold!!! Please upload the entire episode. Having read the comments from each segment, there is certainly an audience for it.

shaw knew what he was talking about

Free speech at its best. Dick allowing the protesters time to share their views and them being respectful for that, is something you never see today. This is how an open society is supposed to function.

@janeporter818

2 жыл бұрын

Facts💯

@magnusheridersson4338

2 жыл бұрын

The trouble is the marxists represented by the harridans are now firmly in control and have completely shut down debate. That's why they should never have been allowed to gain control. This show was a perfect microcosm of what happened.

@scottjosen2606

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong, free speech at it's very best, yes it's very best, doesn't include shouting down another who has been invited to speak freely. Freedom of speech at its best never, yes never, involves suppression of another's by screaming. Grow up knucklehead, thanks for your thoughts though....

@jakeyell

2 жыл бұрын

Fully agree.

@MrLebowski1980

2 жыл бұрын

No you don't have to allow protesters to have a platform on your show, cavett himself said he shouldn't have done it.

He’s absolutely right. As Orwell said, ”Never use a long word where a short one will do,” and, ”Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.” More Shaw, please! Thank you!

@AimeeAimee444

2 жыл бұрын

Robert Shaw was a brilliant actor. It’s a shame that alcoholism took him from us way too soon.

@ReverendMuncle

2 жыл бұрын

👆you are the winner of today's internet

@paularkins6039

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine Orwell and Russell brand in conversation.

@keefriff99

2 жыл бұрын

Gilder’s writing was perfectly fine though. I think Shaw made himself look foolish. The actual content of Gilder’s rancid views was more ripe for ridicule.

@magnusheridersson4338

2 жыл бұрын

@@keefriff99 He was fighting against marxist subversion that even then had already infiltrated the public square. And where are we now. Those same women run our western universities and have essentially destroyed all forms of debate. You are the rancid individual.

Shaw's a real character 😂❤

"You're out."

Robert Shaw should have said you cannot write, do ya follow.

@user-yp3oj5se1i

2 жыл бұрын

He shudda said ' your gonna need a smaller vocabulary chief'

@jamesdrynan

2 жыл бұрын

Nice allusion to Shaw's Lonnegan character. From the little I heard, I presume that Gilder's writing style is overblown and presumptuously pompous in the extreme.

@kojack7425

2 жыл бұрын

Watch Black Adder the Dictionary episode

@nstix2009xitsn

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdrynan "From the little I heard, I presume that Gilder's writing style is overblown and presumptuously pompous in the extreme." No, it wasn't. For a social scientist, it was clear as a bell. I can still recall an article of his I read in 1977 or '78. It was about the demographic imbalances among single, middle-aged women and single young men. He argued that the solution was to encourage middle-aged women and young men to become lovers.

What an excellent chap that Dick Cavett is here.

Dick Cavett was truly ahead of his time and without a doubt, the best talk show host there ever has been. We didn't get him in England so I've spent the last few years catching up on here but what a guy.

@nstix2009xitsn

2 жыл бұрын

@Captain Quint "Dick Cavett was truly ahead of his time..." Fake compliment alert! Cavett wasn't "ahead of his time." What on would that mean?! He was simply excellent at what he did.

@MartinT5600

2 жыл бұрын

@@nstix2009xitsn Ahead of his time in allowing guests talk uninterrupted or without believing he is the star of the show. Also allowing the feminists to have a say rather than just mocking their opinion which is what most hosts would do.

@zq9m3xh8

Жыл бұрын

@@nstix2009xitsn You could have just kept scrolling without the added hissy fit.

@nstix2009xitsn

Жыл бұрын

@@zq9m3xh8"You could have just kept scrolling without the added hissy fit." You need to follow your own stupid advice.

Great clip. The sentence Shaw read was fairly straight forward. Cavett does good job keeping the peace, and Shaw's charisma just commands your attention. Rare cat.

@nstix2009xitsn

2 жыл бұрын

TJR McDowell "The sentence Shaw read was fairly straight forward." Exactly. I think he was pandering to the feminists in the audience.

@TM-zj1xt

2 жыл бұрын

@@nstix2009xitsn Right on, my brother. Hang with the truth, it's the best policy.

@TELEVISIONARCHIVES

2 жыл бұрын

Robert liked to have a drink before a show like this. And it was very obvious he was a bit intoxicated here.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Жыл бұрын

Well it doesn't mean because Shaw did not understand it that it didn't make sense

@oarsteed

11 ай бұрын

@@nstix2009xitsnThe sentence--plucked randomly no less--was chockablock with unnecessary words and was meandering. More words do not provide greater insight or more profundity. It's clear and concise prose that strips away ambiguity and focuses meaning.

This gentleman was way ahead of his time.

@americanwoman445

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, he saw the agenda and now look men have been completely castrated in our society, fatherless Homes are the norm and women are never home to take care of the children.

@sunnylife7934

2 жыл бұрын

@@americanwoman445 50 years ago and he knew what was coming. Robert Shaw was a bore.

@Jonathanbroder

2 жыл бұрын

@@sunnylife7934 A bore? You know nothing about Robert Shaw. Google and read about him. A brilliant, fascinating actor and writer among many other things. The LAST thing he was was a bore.

@sunnylife7934

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jonathanbroder I misspelled boor. Boorish behavior.

@Jonathanbroder

Жыл бұрын

@@sunnylife7934 Ahh, well perhaps. But not "bore" as in boring, right? He certainly lived life.

I had no trouble understanding that sentence.

Dick, showed excellent leadership here 👏

This is a great show, what happened to talk shows since this period of our history?

@ianbauer4703

2 жыл бұрын

No one reads anymore.

@magnusheridersson4338

2 жыл бұрын

Those women won.

@louduva9849

2 жыл бұрын

@@magnusheridersson4338 You're all right!

This level of bravery doesn't exist anymore. Shaw laid into him without fear of consequences, but in the nicest way possible. I think what Shaw was trying to say was Gilder was padding his sentences to the point where it doesn't flow right. If you've ever read Stephen King: On Writing, you'd know that's how he thinks as well. Gilder could have said the exact same thing with half the words if he were a good enough writer.

@goodbadbill

Жыл бұрын

After listening to Shaw read the sentences it seems to me that the book is just a big run-on sentence lol.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Жыл бұрын

Bravery? Shaw came off like a bully.

@thaddeust.thirdiii736

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095hat’s what the original comment is saying. Shaw ventured an opinion as a published author to another published author without fear of reprisal. That’s what makes the interview interesting and not just another generic comedy-fest talk show. Celebrities were brave enough to say what they really feal

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Жыл бұрын

@@thaddeust.thirdiii736 what I said has nothing to do what the OP was saying. first of all this was a talk show where everybody was tallking freely all the time. Shaw was not original in what he was attempting. Second of all because he did not agree with what the writer was saying, he attacked him taking a phrase out of context from the book saying it was bad writing. Which is dishonest.

@thaddeust.thirdiii736

11 ай бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095it’s not dishonest because Shaw was a successful writer as well who wrote several books. He’s giving feedback as a colleague. He didn’t just cherry pick a sentence he disagreed with. He read the book and gave a suggestion. Using weak language in a book to prove a point just loses the reader in jargon when the point of a book is to deliver a message that a reader can understand and formulate an opinion or understanding of. He’s not being dishonest he’s being brutally honest

Dick Cavett was an extraordinary host, unusually intelligent, self-ironic and very able. I don't know Gilder but the whole sociological gobledygook mania just drives me spare. Even his use of the word "copulation" .... so cheap. I know Shaw was probably not quite lucid but I think was sincerely critical of the language structure which did sound totally awful

@gerrydooley951

2 жыл бұрын

I just noticed that this guy Gilder is still around. He is a darling of the intellectual right. Proponent of supply side trickle -down economics which never works.

@yamahajapan5351

2 жыл бұрын

@@gerrydooley951 Never works? LOL. Look where we are with old Brain dead Biden and his lefty agenda printing money and deliberately destroying the economy for the great economic“transition” which is of course NEVER DEFINED…

I hope they like the way the world has really changed in the last 50 years.

@americanwoman445

2 жыл бұрын

It's changed to the agenda....households with no mother and father and other people raising our children.

The Dick Cavett Show would fail today -- it's far too intelligent for the Idiocracy that we've become.

@roquefortfiles

2 жыл бұрын

You'd have all the MAGA hat wearing idiots going............."huh?

@user-ru6pm4ri5s

2 жыл бұрын

Hear! Hear! Well said. Well Spoken.

@NJTDover

Жыл бұрын

True. Because the intellectual level of today's guests is quite practically non-existent plus woke liberals in the audience would make it totally impossible to have a civilized conversation.

Thank you U Tube for showing this .

Robert Shaw.....I loved his words....so funny!

@georgem5589

11 ай бұрын

Shaw was an idiot.

Shaw was right. You don’t need to use a lot of weak language to get a point across. What’s awesome is Shaw by the time of this interview was already an accomplished writer, whose books were made into plays and at least one film. He wasn’t a scrub just being opinionated, he knew about writing and was giving brutally honest feedback to a colleague

Such a powerful actor. Terribly sad he died so young. So much left in him.

I love Robert Shaw's acting, but he's clearly grandstanding to the audience with his hyperbole and narrow focus on one passage from an entire book. In a fair academic debate, this would deserve to be graded downward brutally.

Wow the studio audience is very small. 2:52 It was sweet how they both held the paper for her as she was understandably nervous.

Shaw is a beast .. RESPECT

Gilder isn’t a public speaker and he’s not doing well. He may do well at a cocktail party (where eyes glaze over) but people are far more complex than he suggests. Shaw hit the nail on the head!

@nycinstyle

Жыл бұрын

Gilder is a HArvard University graduate who was hired by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger and other big time politicians to write speeches for them. Gilder is an exceptionally good writer. Don't know why Shaw did that. Maybe he thinks the Harvard graduate is a bit too uppity and tried to knock him down a bit.

@nycinstyle

Жыл бұрын

@@oscarwilde5473 Point is that Gilder is an exceptionally good writer. He wrote for presidents and top rated educational magazines many times for years and years. I understood the sentence, it did not seem to be poorly written as Shaw suggested it is.

@nycinstyle

Жыл бұрын

Everyone accepts this is true now, anyway. I mean what he wrote then in the 1970s. In many poor families, there is a mother and her children living together, while the father is no where to be found. Raising children is an extremely important job, and an extremely stressful job, and an extremely expensive job. Many poor homes have a mom and kids living there all the time, and the dad is not there much, at all. It is always easier with two parents financially speaking it is better and raising children it is definitely easier and often a better situation for the kids. It is nice for the kids to see their mom has a man who helps her and loves her, and in doing so he helps the kids. Typically, this is the father in a loving home, but it could be another man, as well. It is hard to raise children if you are a single parent, woman or man, who does not have a lot of money. Typically, the woman has this responsibility, and it can be very stressful on her and the kids feel it, too. The sentence that Shaw read just said this. Yeah, many poor families just have a mom at home raising her kids, while the father is not helping much, at all. He is out doing his own thing. Of course, many times the dad is a great guy and he works and supports his kids, but in troubled homes very poor homes, etc, this is often not the case. It is mom and the kids alone. Shaw may not have liked the way the sentence was written, but its meaning is actually pretty clear. Anyway, Robert Shaw is one of my favorite actors. I think he may have been playing a bit with the Harvard graduate whose book does seem to contain unduly written sentences, lengthy and loaded with "big" words most people do not speak much at all in their lives. lol

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Жыл бұрын

Yes Glider is not a good public speaker but it doesn't mean his points were not just. I'm not saying I agree with them but instead of Shaw debating him on the subject at hand, he proceeded to humiliate the guy saying "you're a bad writer!".

Whether you think Robert Shaw is right or not, he is open with his opinion and willing to speak his mind, something that is restricted in 2022.

@user-yp3oj5se1i

2 жыл бұрын

What was he wrong about then?

@edwardknoch4987

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-yp3oj5se1i Paul never said he WAS wrong. You sound as if you're just seeking to be confrontational. He clearly said "whether you think Robert Shaw is right or not..."

@keithferris9574

2 жыл бұрын

There are still topical shows where people are completely open to express their opinions. What's frowned upon is morally bankrupt scumbags exploiting free speech in order to obtain power. You know, like the Elise Stefaniks of the world labelling all Democrats as being pedophiles even though that could lead to innocent people being harmed for no reason. That kind of rhetoric is nothing like the constructive criticism that Robert Shaw was offering to this author.

@acchaladka

2 жыл бұрын

Where is the right to speak restricted? Are you one of those upset about your inability to call me names and pretend that racism ended in 1964 at Selma ?

@americanwoman445

2 жыл бұрын

@@acchaladka Yes, your people have only been free for a short while, we understand the growing pains, you'll be okay. I think you are more mad at the fact that your people just can't keep up, free or not.

We love you Dick Cavvett

Caveat laid down the rules after allowing the women to voice their opinion. Kudos to him! If you're not here to listen to my guests on MY show, you aren't welcome.

@NJTDover

Жыл бұрын

You're OUT! He clearly warned them.

"You're Out" "We'll be back after the break"

I like how the author responds to Shaw with .."oh baloney"..

@NJTDover

Жыл бұрын

I liked it, as well. It only showed his pompous arrogance as writer who cannot tolerate criticism from educated people. 😂 😆

@nycinstyle

Жыл бұрын

Gilder is a HArvard University graduate who was hired by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger and other big time politicians to write speeches for them. Gilder is an exceptionally good writer. Don't know why Shaw did that. Maybe he thinks the Harvard graduate is a bit too uppity and tried to knock him down a bit.

@thaddeust.thirdiii736

3 ай бұрын

@@nycinstyleShaw was a writer also. By the time of this interview he had already written several books, one that was turned into a play and another into a film. He’s giving his opinon to Gilder as one published author to another. I agree he was pretty agro about it, but you have to be able to take criticism if you want to put your work out in the public. Better to get rough opinion from another accomplished writer than just a critic

@nycinstyle

3 ай бұрын

@@thaddeust.thirdiii736 It is ridiculous. This guy was hired by USA presidents to write speeches for them, he has a degree in writing from an ivy League school. He understands how to write properly written sentences better than all of them, including Shaw.

@nycinstyle

3 ай бұрын

@@thaddeust.thirdiii736 Additionally, the sentence Shaw read is easy to understand, and it is accurate. A huge problem with our society is that there are too many men having children and not sticking around to properly raise and support them. I happen to like Robert Shaw as an actor very much. Just think he was over the top, not being wise in his criticism. The guy just came on the show, an invited guest, and Shaw basically trashed his writing. Absurd. An ivy League school graduate. Shaw was not right to try and trash the guy in that way. He is not a real celebrity or anything, either. Shaw, a big Hollywood star, tries to put him down like that. Just think Shaw is wrong. Again, the fellow is a Harvard school graduate, writes speeches for USA presidents.

"You're out!"

I loved, loved, loved Robert Shaw. Not only was he a fantastic actor (hands down-deserved an Oscar nomination & AWARD for Jaws!), he was brilliant- I mean incredibly brilliant (I read 2 of his books & he knew how to keep reading simple yet, entertaining.) and one of the best looking people EVER to walk this planet (not that, that should matter-but it does help he was so easy on the eyes.) Lol, he did need a good stylist though or wardrobe help. That shirt WITH those pants just wasn't,,,,,ah no. Even for early 70s-mid 70s, Robert's clothes looked like one of his children picked out his outfit.

2022, ladies!,you Have made tremendous Strides!!

Wow. What a moment. Literature and liberation.

Shaw showing how to attack from an aesthetic rather than moral angle. But it takes sensitivity and intelligence rather than parroting or moralizing.

lol ! Funniest upload so far.

Back when Dick Cavett was taping these shows, he was considered to be professional but somewhat flat and boring. Now that we have had decades of people yelling at each other on TV, we can see Dick Cavett in a new light -- as the best interviewer in the history of television and a man of strength and great emotional maturity.

@thaddeust.thirdiii736

Жыл бұрын

Yes! People conversing and sharing ideas, not just telling jokes and corny anecdotes

This is a lively episode.....

they need a bigger boat.

@arthursteven5601

2 жыл бұрын

Haha

We had Left Wing Tree-huggers in those days too?

This is fascinating Brilliant

As relevant today as it was when it was first aired.

He spent most of his childhood with his mother, Anne Spring (Alsop), and his stepfather, Gilder Palmer, on a dairy farm in Tyringham, Massachusetts. Palmer, a college roommate of his father, was deeply involved with his upbringing,[5] as was the family of David Rockefeller, his godfather.[4] Makes sense why he spoke about masculinity the way he does.

Would be great to see Robert Shaw with Woody Allen. Do you have S1969 Episode 30 : Woody Allen, Robert Shaw, Beverly Sills, Jacqueline Wexler Season 1969, Episode 30 | Aired on December 29, 1969 | 45 min. | ABC (US)

@johnaspinall5457

Жыл бұрын

Yes, please.

Aweseome show !

Feminism then, Trans now.

Imagine if Shaw met Michael Eric Dyson

@louduva9849

2 жыл бұрын

Dyson is low-IQ.

A comparatively thoughtful discussion by today's standards. Unfortunately, the screamers and shouters, no matter their beliefs, are the rule rather than the exception on Network, Cable, and Streaming television these days. I'm sure Robert Shaw would hate the sentence I just wrote.

@dontworry5696

Жыл бұрын

It wasn’t always so different on Cavett either, just look at Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer

when talk shows weren't about self-promotion and people were willing to express themselves without fear of being canceled... not just tv but anywhere - no one expresses an opinion these days or debates.

Sidenote Gilder looks like he came from the 80s or 2010s! Wow strange...

@deadstar1641

2 жыл бұрын

Why?

@ACNC1

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. With the hair and attire, he definitely has got a late 80's Matthew Perry/john cusack vibe to him

Robert Shaw is awesome here!

@georgem5589

11 ай бұрын

Really? Awesome? He doesn't know the definition of the word 'sentient'. Typical Hollywood dumbass that flaunts loud opinions it seems. He wrote a few books in the 'readable' genre because that's as far as he could have taken it.

The question has to be asked, Gilder are you saying that as an observation of the facts or is there a tone of some empathetic being owed to such behaviour that doesn’t know better? I really respect the openness and honesty you show here. Very rare.

@earlpipe9713

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he's being honest, but just taking maginal stances to generate controversy and publicity for himself

Equality of Outcome is a disaster. It has been proven, without a doubt the more equality you have in a society, the more distinct the differences between men and women become. Just look at the Scandinavian countries who are the most egalitarian societies on the planet. In Scandinavia, 90% of nurses are women and 90% of engineers are men...and that is 100% based on choice.

GEORGE GILDER IS A GREAT MAN

@georgem5589

11 ай бұрын

Amen!

They would be appalled by whatever wave is happening now.

"Women are less aggressive than men are." Oh man, the timing on this couldn't be more hysterical.

No one is going to argue with a legend like Robert Shsw. That’s the wait it is I mean look 👀 at this guy in the suit he’s never Ben with a woman ever. Thist is a horrific attempt at knowing about love making when you’ve never done it

Have you ever been to the "Boston suburb of Boston, Roxbury"?

@QuadMochaMatti

2 жыл бұрын

For a night, a day, or a lifetime?

Props to Dick, what a gent! Let the woman speak! Then let the panel of men discuss....

@DanStrayer

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there 🙌

You tell him, Robert Shaw! He should know what he is talking about and he does.

@evo5dave

2 жыл бұрын

As Dudley Moore pointed out, it made perfect sense. Shaw even struggles with the word 'sentient'.

@alexdavies7394

2 жыл бұрын

@@evo5dave - Well none of us is perfect but Robert Shaw demonstrated his natural ability with the English language.

@evo5dave

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexdavies7394 He didn't during this segment. It's easy to sound erudite in a film, because you've learned it from a script. Shaw was just being inflammatory as was his wont.

@alexdavies7394

2 жыл бұрын

@@evo5dave - He was capable of being a well-read person, inflammatory or no.

@boba2783

2 жыл бұрын

@@evo5dave Dudley was being ironic

I suspect that Shaw was feeling left out of the discussion and deliberately decided to pull the camera back on himself. I think he was not great at not being the center of attention. One comment mentioned him being inflammatory as was his wont. Absolutely agree.

Fantasy Culture is 100%

O snap here we go...hmmm

It's a shame that Mr Shaw didn't read Jacques Derrida is he thought Mr Gilder was convoluted.

This was a time in America when anyone could walk into buildings with no security or pass. I notice people in the back of the room freely exiting and entering. These protestors were not kicked out, and instead were engaged in dialog. Something like this could almost never happen today.

@nstix2009xitsn

2 жыл бұрын

Cousin Benny I was just about to upvote you, when I noticed "almost." Are you a baseball announcer ("kind of")? Americans are no longer able to state a simple, declarative sentence. They spend too many years confined within educational institutions.

@BennieWilll

2 жыл бұрын

@@nstix2009xitsn That's not a proper sentence? Lol! Something "almost never happened". In other words I don't believe it's impossible, but these kinds of organic interactions would be far more unlikely to happen today, nor would it be allowed.

Those women are ludicrous.

😂 Cavett was on fire, the protesters brought out his super A game! “ men can read” Read fast” “You’re out” 😆

It's only bad writing because of the implicit "No true Scotsman" fallacy in "no sentient observer," and it's also packed with clichés ("a smattering of..."). In other words, it's rhetorical rather than logical or cogent.

@earlpipe9713

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the very same as his "start with a smattering of obvious truth, then proceed to absurdist & insulting generalities masked in academic jargon" pop science theory crafting. It's like he set out to come up with the least helpful, most controversial positions in analog clickbaiting

Shaw was absolutely brilliant and to the point, as well as very polite....It's depressing to see how western society went from these intelligent, caring, good hearted people to, fast forward to 2023...Idiocracy...so sad.

Ohh, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan Peterson... wherefore art thou, Jordan Peterson?

To be fair, if you do not know how’s the life in an American ghetto, you cannot really express a precise opinion, especially if you live in green Ireland and come from the British environment. I love Shaw, but here he sounds a bit superficial. I do believe he was riding the mood of the audience. Plus, the author is right when he says Robert could not pick just one sentence and then judge the entire volume.

@boba2783

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t a sentence and that’s the point that’s flown straight over your head

Using the words Men and women I get pretty tired of everybody mentioning those two words like we are factory made but where individuals so nobody knows anybody yet they will talk in such broad terms. I felt the same way MrShaw feels about this guys writing. He sits there and uses big and fancy words to come across intelligent but he doesn’t say anything he should have been a politician. And what does he know about masculinity for he doesn’t possess it. All true masculinity is balanced with a femininity which sparks the character of the individual. There is no way but each brings their own. This world is getting ready for this kind of being. Words are to limited so I’ll end it here.

@percival7754

2 жыл бұрын

you’d know

@richardfowler9025

2 жыл бұрын

🙂

@user-yp3oj5se1i

2 жыл бұрын

If you just typed this i would have given it a like "I felt the same way MrShaw feels about this guys writing. He sits there and uses big and fancy words to come across intelligent but he doesn’t say anything he should have been a politician."

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Жыл бұрын

It's not anyone's fault if you're not bright enough to not understand the words. That goes for you and Shaw.

Looking how society is now I think George Gilder made good points. There was nothing wrong in what he was saying. Shaw saying "oh but you are a bad writer!" what is the point of that. Just cause he disagreed with him, he wanted to put his nose in it too?

@georgem5589

11 ай бұрын

Guilder was on point, as always. Cavett, his audience, and some of his A list Hollywood ilk don't belong on the same stage as George, who was very respectful and strong, because he knew his data, and his prose.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

11 ай бұрын

@@georgem5589 Exactly. If anything he was too classy for them. Watching these videos, I cannot say I am a big fan of Cavett. Seems full of himself. I don't blame the audience as much(except for a few banchees) because they were influenced by seeing a big movie star so of course they would side with him. Shaw disgusted me the most because he is using his celebrity to bully someone and ridicule him.

@georgem5589

11 ай бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Agree with all your points. Moreover, listen to how Guilder constructs sentences when he speaks. I'm sure his prose makes mincemeat of Shaw's, I'd put money on it. Still today he's exactly the same, still thinking, still writing, still relevant.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

11 ай бұрын

@@georgem5589 And look how revered he has become since. A legend. I bet Shaw would think himself foolish by how he acted then.

I've read many of George GIlder's books and have no problems understanding him. His prose does have a certain density that requires you to think about what he says, but his elevated vocabulary doesn't obscure his meaning. You do, however, have to have an above-average command of the English language to fully appreciate Gilder's ideas. In some ways, this style of writing (and speaking) reminds me of William F. Buckley's writings and lectures.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Жыл бұрын

I wished I was there so I would have said excatly that. "Look Mr. Shaw, it's not anyone else's fault that you're not intelligent or educated enough to understand the phrase".

He understands just fine. He's forever a devil's advocate, Shaw that tis...

Prototype Jordan Peterson who never caught on. Seems the 1970s dodged the bullet that the 2020s unfortunately caught. Interesting clip. Cavett handled that beautifully.

@marccas10

2 жыл бұрын

The futures so bright I gotta wear shades.

@randonceccoli8428

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Jordan Peterson is horrible and open dialogue and opposing viewpoints is scary! Who needs it? Not me!

@jimmycakes7158

2 жыл бұрын

Gilders was right though

@HeathcliffBlair

2 жыл бұрын

@@randonceccoli8428 Not horrible. Just nuts.

@jackalope99999

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking this too. He ended up making an intelligent design think tank. All these guys are secretly just pushing a Christian ideology. Same with JP

What it does is weaken men until we cut them off

@americanwoman445

2 жыл бұрын

And that's exactly what happened ...

@giftedplanksify

2 жыл бұрын

@@americanwoman445 toche'

I agree with Dudley

50 years later.... the tolerance for free discussion or even Free Speech has dropped to new lows in the Collective West.

@mattgilbert7347

2 жыл бұрын

You can thank the right wing for most of that.

@jhassett2

2 жыл бұрын

​@@mattgilbert7347 That was true in the fifties and earlier....but everyone knows that today it's the left that wants to obliterate dissent.

@mangore623

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the right is certainly noted for it's cancel culture tendencies (rolls eyes).

@mattgilbert7347

2 жыл бұрын

@@mangore623 "Cancel culture" is a Right-Wing buzzword. Culture war nonsense is *their* thing. They are far more censorious than the left, both in terms of rhetoric and policy.

@nstix2009xitsn

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattgilbert7347 You lying fool.

More would understand the Gilder text, in context, if it was written more concisely. I love Robert Shaw's work but I to struggle with my place in society. I have a stable, healthy life with family and friends but understanding and laughter are not as prevalent.

@americanwoman445

2 жыл бұрын

Left wing agenda was already working to break down the family unit.

@stevesut2566

2 жыл бұрын

@@americanwoman445 I wish left and right didn't exist. Because the powerful on both sides are paid to be on a side it is impossible for either to admit the other ever gets anything right. Which of course is impossible. Being paid to have a particular opinion is human weakness. The immature Chinese and Russians do it well that's for sure.

I think it does sound clear - Robert was being a little over the top there, but what he said probably applies ot other books.

This kind of discourse is almost completely non-existent in any medium today.

@gerrydooley951

2 жыл бұрын

it's because people of a certain age don't want it.

Thought robert shaw was taller Camera angles in movies no doubt!

@20alphabet

2 жыл бұрын

He's taller when standing.

@MyEnemy

2 жыл бұрын

He appears to be about five-foot ten. It doesn't help that three of the other guests look to be easily over six-feet tall. Dick, of course is five-seven.

@somethingyousaid5059

2 жыл бұрын

And Dudley probably even shorter than Dick.

@QuadMochaMatti

2 жыл бұрын

He's taller when his heel is on your throat.

@CC-Tron

2 жыл бұрын

@@MyEnemy You mean two of the other guests. Dudley Moore was 5'3.

Maybe a bit niche and totally unrelated, but Gilder has a voice like Rami Malek. It’s the shaky quality and old fashioned timbre

I do not agree with his overly simple definition of male sexuality. Men are incredibly complex: Sexually. Emotionally. Physically...... But he does understand the need for men and women to work together to make their families and their world better, which is the long term goal of most religions in human history.

@edwardknoch4987

2 жыл бұрын

You must have encountered far different religions than I. The betterment of family or world is far, FAR from the goal of any denomination I've been aware of.

@nstix2009xitsn

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardknoch4987 You know nothing about religion. You're just an arrogant atheist.

@MartintheTinman

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardknoch4987 . Yep, total BS from the op

I think Shaw was emotional here. He is a bright guy, and Dudley was correct. The sentence is clear. The "ghetto", which today we would refer to as the "black community" had been ruined by Johnson, creating an incentive to have kids and not work. The black family, amazingly strong and resilient, was crushed. The mom DID run the household, and many black men abandoned their families. This was true in 1973 and it is now. It is awful. Gilder stated some generalizations indeed, Shaw is right about that. But there IS something general about men typically wanting to be the protector, they ARE more aggressive, they ARE, on average, typically stronger. That is not a put down of women. Women generally ARE better at details, better at certain kinds of analysis, and I believe, more patient. That is not a put down of men. I am really trying to be fair and see what all the hatred of Gilder was when he is stating his opinion based on a lot of facts and observations. The clip also reminds us that a lot of people were a-holes back then as they are now, it is just more pervasive. The difference now is that people who don't like what you are saying in a FREE country have taken this kind of nonsense and shut down behavior to college speakers, stand up performers, and anyone that they don't agree with. That's not debate, that is not discussion.

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

Dudley was being facitious.

@MrShyMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 I just played it again, and no, nothing about how Dudley said that was facitious.

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

@@MrShyMusic It clearly was.

that man who i never herd of talks a lot of crap.Peter and Robert were right to speak against it. guy like that would not be allowed to be on a show now

Easy to understand sentence......if Mr Shaw was confused the failing was his. Very fine actor though.

@agmor1

2 жыл бұрын

He was an author and a playwright, too. A successful one.

@Ben_Hattie

Жыл бұрын

think shaw just meant the author was using big words when they weren't needed.

Gilder's neurotype is transparent

The Guardian readership would love this…..

I love how the feminist put out her hand so Mr. Cavett could help her onstage 😅😂

Robert Shaw, an accomplished writer of novels and plays, comes off as an absolute asshat with his comments about George Gilder's writing skills. Gilder is a vey good writer who was spot on with his views and fidings about male and female sex roles. Dudley Moore puts Shaw in check with the truth at 12:29 .

@jadezee6316

2 жыл бұрын

one guy saying the opposite of the other guy hardly qualifies for the medal you think it deserves......and care to show anyone a single example where gilders views about sex roles are still or ever have been important to that debate?

@ChuckRosseel

2 жыл бұрын

@@jadezee6316 Sure, that's easy. Watch Gilder's remarks in the above video. They were most "important to that debate". For your inability to see the obvious there will be no medal for you.

Great comedy duo in there. All the way to the left.

All of us are victims.

Where are we almost 50 years down the road - men have uteruses and can breast feed. In retrospect, Mr. Gilder was almost prophetic.

@James-gk8ip

2 жыл бұрын

Silly.

@louduva9849

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty funny, huh?

@americanwoman445

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

Women are from Venus and men are from mars. That’s all he should have said.

I think Mr Shaw's reading comprehension was a bit lagging.