I believe in my heart and totally believe the church which includes that all those who have put their trust in Jesus becoming a born again child of God will be caught up with the Lord which could happen at any time now. The second coming of Christ is not the rapture of the church. These two are two different/ separate events. The Bible tells us that the church will escape the wrath to come. The Antichrist cannot come until the church (every single person who had put their faith in Christ) is removed from the earth. This message could confuse many followers of Christ. When you know the truth totally freedom will be yours. I suggest more study the word and most important allowing the Holy Spirit to lead you into the truth.

@joannefrias3784

8 ай бұрын

2nd Thessalonians 2 3- let no one deceive you, That day will not come until they be a great falling away first and the man of sin be revealed. So no you cannot go at anytime. Certain things must take place first in the scripture is clear about that.

@misteralan9993

8 ай бұрын

​@joannefrias3784 there will come a time of complacency. Which cause people to start falling away. There will be the manifestation of the sons of God. (Which will be us) yes we are sons of God made sons by the Son of God. Jesus will come and life will be normal with everyday life. There will be such plenty and the economy will be good for all and things will be sailing along so smooth it will cause a falling away. No need for the believers anymore. Like in the days of Noah. People will start to mock the comming because things will be going well they will be comfortable with just a good life. Be not be deceived by these times of plenty. Even the believers could be swayed if not rooted and grounded. Amen!

@georgelcortes2628

8 ай бұрын

Also reading the book of Revelation chapter 3 and before chapter 4 the word indicates something new

@johnkoehler4278

8 ай бұрын

Raythomass, the continual promotion of "the rapture" and " the Anti Christ" are Jesuit misdirectes, to Protestant Christians. The Anti Christ was understood by true believers for more than a millennium, to be the Papacy. All the great Church Reformers understood that. The " number of his name is 666. In Latin the name or title claimed by the Papacy is, VICARVS FILLI DEI. Forgive my spelling if I haven't got that exactly right. Or in English, The Vicar of The Son of God. Latin has no numerals, letters substitute for numerals. The value of the title claimed by the Papacy is 666. The Jesuits muddy the waters to hide the exposure by Christ in Revelation of the false church down through history.

@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE

8 ай бұрын

Escape the wrath to come you say yes and it’s speaking about Gods wrath after the tribulation it will be horrific compared to the tribulation.

11:45 I remember our Old Testament Theology class, asking the professor about his eschatological viewpoint. Trained as an attorney, he cleverly answered, "I'm pan-Trib." Puzzled, we inquired, "what does THAT mean, Dr. [Howard] Ervin?" ... and he quickly retorted that "It'll all pan out in the End." I miss him dearly.

Interesting - the Biblical teaching on the pre- tribulation Rapture(catching away) does just the opposite for me and the people I know, it cause so much more urgency to lead those to Jesus before they have to go through the Tribulation(Jacobs Trouble/Israel).

@Steve-od6hi

8 ай бұрын

Not only that but Jesus come in the clouds at that time time of rapture, and does not touch his feet on the ground, Jesus also said that we should pray that we be counted worth to escape the wrath come, which happens immediately after we are "snatched out". Also when the dead arise at that time, but we who are alive will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye, And this age ends the "time of the Gentiles" for the Great Tribulation is the last week of Daniels promised 70 weeks of years to the Israelite's. And at that time 144 thousand Jewish young men along with the two prophets wil preach to the people. the pastor did not say there is no pre-tribe rapture. Only the person who posted this video. And she is wrong in her opinion and should Apologize to him for her comment.

@Mike65809

7 ай бұрын

@@Steve-od6hi Well, while it's true matt. 24 does not say his feet touch the ground, but does it say they do in 1 and 2 Thessalonians?

@deenaloftis6343

7 ай бұрын

We are not appointed to wrath.

@Mike65809

7 ай бұрын

@@deenaloftis6343 The wrath Paul is referring to is what, the trumpets and bowls, or the wrath poured out at Christ's return? See the context. Having said that, I would say that at that time the Christians need to be in God's presence, depending totally on him, and so fulfill the promises in Psalm 91, and then we'll be protected. We'll be those dwelling in heaven, under his shadow. Amen?

@neilwani1178

6 ай бұрын

​@@Mike65809What does studying the end times without a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week do? How does that effect a person's interpretation? What has happened with Daniel chapter 9? Why is it so important? Well so many scholars have said it was a prophecy for 490 biblical years. And 483 years were fulfilled when Messiah was cutoff in 33 AD. Then later the temple and the city was destroyed in 70 AD. And 7 biblical years are pending for the future of this world and then Daniel 9 24 will be fulfilled. Bible prophecy did not mention things that happened in the church age. The bible clearly hints Daniel 9 27 is future. Rev 11 2 says there will be a future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. Daniel 12 11 says the abomination of desolation will stop the daily sacrifice. 2 Thess 2 says the man of sin will enter the temple of God and demand to be worshiped as God. Rev 13 5-7 says a man will speak blasphemies and from that day have authority to continue 42 months over saints from all nations. Daniel 7 25 says the saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. Matthew 24 15 says the abomination of desolation will trigger the great tribulation that starts the worst time the world will ever see. So if you read Matthew 24 without a clear understanding of Daniel's 70th week, you really say the 2nd coming is the rapture. But with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week, knowing the world is headed for a covenant for 2520 days or 7 biblical years, you run into problems. The abomination of desolation has to happen on day 1261 of the 7 year covenant. And from day 1261, the saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. Day 2520 will be the day of the 2nd coming immediately after the tribulation. The problem with those passages is that scripture cannot be broken. They are saints starting midtrib that start to be martyred on day 1261. And they will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 1260 days. Scripture will not be broken. Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7 will not be broken. There are no saints better than other saints. And there is no rapture on a day that will be known years before the event immediately after the tribulation. The problems come from the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins where no man knows the day or the hour. But the date of the 2nd coming will be known 7 biblical years before the event. If you read 2 Thess 2 and realize the man of sin is revealed in the temple midtrib, then you realize that the day of the Lord as birth pangs starts after that. And great confusion occurs with our gathering. But then with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week again there are problems. The saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. And Daniel 9 24 occurs immediately after the tribulation on the last day. How can our gathering be any day in the 2nd half? So now you know what is restraining all this that is going to come unto the world. Our gathering is restraining all this. Then worldwide apostasy. Then the man of sin will be revealed midtrib.Then some unknown time in the 2nd half the day of the Lord judgments will start on the wicked as birth pangs and the wicked will not escape. These birth pangs will get worse and worse till the last day. But this will not break the Word of God with Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7. The saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. And the last day of the birth pangs immediately after the tribulation will be known 7 biblical years before the event. What happens when a person starts reading the book of Revelation. They see passages and Jesus coming in the clouds and on a horse. But again with a proper study of Daniel's 70th week there are problems. In the 2nd half Rev 13 5-7 occurs and the antichrist will have authority over saints from all nations for 42 months or 1260 days. And there is a trumpet in Matthew 24 27-31 and the angels gather His elect immediately after the tribulation. But this cannot break the Word of God. A person needs to figure out what day of Daniel's 70th week that trumpet will sound. This creates a huge problem. The book of Revelation only gives the antichrist authority to continue 42 months from the day he speaks great blasphemies. And Rev 1 7 says He comes on the clouds and all eyes will see Him. Meaning in Russia and China and Africa and North America and Japan and South America. Now it becomes supernatural when all the world can see the Lord and angels and heaven open. Zech 14 6-9 and Luke 17 23-37 along with Daniel 9 24 says it all ends on that day. All the wicked are destroyed on that day and that makes the bowl judgments supernatural after the entire world sees the Lord.

Lord open peoples eyes lest they be deceived and take the mark. May they see and understand the truth in your word that The Lord will come back AFTER the tribulation, but before God’s wrath.❤

@michaelbest7872

3 ай бұрын

@lynn2122 Amen! That's what I'm seeing in the scriptures as well. There are so many other supportive and clear scriptures that show what you mentioned is true. While I'd love for the rapture to happen pre-trib, I haven't found ANY scriptures that say the rapture is during a pre-trib moment.

Pretrib rapture all the way! However, no date setting.

@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE

8 ай бұрын

Well you will get a rude awakening lol

@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE

8 ай бұрын

And you won’t be prepared for what’s coming neither

@user-qz8ng4nk5b

8 ай бұрын

​@@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE how do we prepare?

@Mike65809

7 ай бұрын

@@user-qz8ng4nk5b Get ready to endure until the end. It won't be easy.

@msblann1960

Ай бұрын

@@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE WHY? can you explain? You can't

The rapture as described in 1 Thess. chapter 4 is Jesus coming to receive His believers. The dead in Christ rise first and the living who remain at that moment are caught up to meet Jesus in the air. In these 1 Thess. scriptures (chapter 4) Jesus does not come to the earth. The church meets Him in the air and goes to be with Him, not on earth but Heaven. John chapter 14 Jesus taught that He would go away (this is referring to Heaven) and prepare a place for His people. Then He said He would come to receive His people. That where He is His people might be also. Jesus did not go away to prepare a place on earth, but in Heaven. And when He comes again in the rapture (1 Thess. chapter 4) this is where He fulfills His promise mentioned in John chapter 14 to make a place and receive His people to be with Him. Therefore, 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 is Jesus coming for His church. He never sets foot on earth at this time. The rapture is different than the second coming of Christ. The second coming of Christ is stated in Revelation chapter 19. In this chapter Jesus comes back to the earth on a white horse and a multitude comes back with Him dressed in white linen on horses. This is the church coming back with Jesus to this earth where He will set up his 1,000 years Millennium Kingdom. Tie the scriptures together and you have Jesus coming FOR His church in 1 Thess. chapter 4, and Jesus coming back WITH His church in Revelation chapter 19. Regarding Matthew 24:29-31, this is not the rapture of the church but Jesus coming back to the earth to gather Israel and establish His Millennium Kingdom. In Matthew 24 there is no mention of the dead in Christ resurrecting nor the living in Christ caught up into the air. The Matthew account is the same event of Revelation chapter 19 when Jesus comes to the earth to set up His kingdom. Matthew 24:31 says when He comes He will gather His elect from the four winds and His angels will do this gathering of the elect. Angels are not involved in the resurrecting of the dead in Christ, or the catching away of the living in Christ when 1 Thess. chapter 4 is fulfilled. The elect mentioned in Matthew 24:31 is Israel and not the dead or living in Christ. Isaiah 11:11-12 and 43:5-7 ties in with Matthew 24:31, which is Jesus coming back and getting His elect (Israel) at the second coming. This is where Jesus will begin His earthly Millennium and restore Israel, His elect. For more information on a pre-tribulation rapture check this site: www.pre-trib.org

@paulettelamontagne6992

27 күн бұрын

Oh boy you're really not correct I suggest you go watch Arnold Murray and get a King James version and a Strong's Concordance God bless you

@paulettelamontagne6992

27 күн бұрын

Don't forget the Bible says we are to learn the parable of the fig tree not we should but that we must

Believers are not appointed to the wrath of God. The Tribulation is when God pours out his wrath on a Christ rejecting world, not his children.

@lynn2212

7 ай бұрын

Matthew 24 Jesus' own words ....he comes AFTER the tribulation

@dawnricherson2604

7 ай бұрын

@@lynn2212 That’s the 2nd Coming. When Jesus actually comes to earth. The rapture he comes in the clouds to take his Bride before the Tribulation -never puts his feet on the earth.

@dawnricherson2604

7 ай бұрын

The children of God are not appointed to his wrath. In addition, the Tribulation is for Israel, not the Bride of Christ.

@lynn2212

7 ай бұрын

God’s wrath of AFTER the tribulation, the rapture is before the wrath but after the tribulation . Watch Pastor Robert Morris , Disproves the Pretribulation Rapture on You Tube. All scripture teaching. Praying no believer is deceived and accepts the mark , thinking they will be raptured out.

@dawnricherson2604

7 ай бұрын

@@lynn2212 I’m a berean and have studied this for decades under the tutelage of the best pastors in the world, including Amir Tsafarti who is a messianic Jew and founder of Behold Israel. I have no need to listen to pastors who teach mid or post trib. Also, no follower of Jesus will get the Mark because a follower of Jesus would never worship Antichrist. It’s impossible. A born again believer is indwelled by the Holy Spirit and can’t be deceived by Antichrist. The ONLY people who will get the Mark are those who CHOOSE to worship Antichrist and therefore reject Christ.

I’m a-trib = I’m for it however God does it.

@donnaleveron5711

8 ай бұрын

He that endures to the end shall be saved. Matthew 24:13.

@joanwatkins3022

8 ай бұрын

Then there’s no urgency to get people to Jesus….ok

You should really read the bible. I Corinthians 15 V 51 - 54; Revelation 3-V 10; 1 Thessalians chapter 4 V 3; and 1Thessalians Chapter 4 V16-17. the bible also mentions that those who love him God will keep us out of His wrath on the earth. There will be terrible things happening on the first 3/12 years.

@kennethbyrd4437

8 ай бұрын

There is terrible things happening rate today 2023. You don’t know what’s going on in the world.

@kennethbyrd4437

8 ай бұрын

I was talking to Lorraine

@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE

8 ай бұрын

That’s Gods wrath after the second coming that the Lord is referring to

@dawnricherson2604

7 ай бұрын

@@kennethbyrd4437 The wrath of man is NOT the wrath of God. Everyone is susceptible to the wrath of man.

@Mike65809

6 ай бұрын

Maybe you should read it! Rev. 3:10 does not say that they will be raptured, right? It only says God can spare them. He is creative and resourceful and does not need the Son to come back physically to take them out. Not only this, but have you considered that they will be spared because they already suffered persecution? So does that mean us in the west won't be spared and be left behind?? Oh an one more item, have you also claimed Rev. 2:10 for the church?

Please notice, pastor Robert speaks of "the end" or "second coming." "Second coming" is when He touches earth for the second time, this is the "second coming." And He comes with His "saints" that's you and I who have been "raptured" prior to the "second coming."

@Mike65809

6 ай бұрын

Scripture does not teach 2 future comings of the Lord. There is only one end and one coming.

@user-wk5hk6qj4z

Ай бұрын

Maybe the saints are the old testament saints that went to heaven with Jesus when he ascended to be with the father on resurrection day?

@koopswildlife7066

27 күн бұрын

I am just sad reading this. To make a distinction about something that the Bible mentions mich less expounds on. There is no rapture where He comes, gets us and then we come back WITH him at his 2nd coming to an unimaginably wrecked world. I was taught rapture and trib theory (by the way, I also was NEVER presented as there being any option other than this) but as an adult I was led to really read the verses I was told PROVED the rapture/trib view and realized there is NO MENTION or insinuation. There is NO reason to think Daniels' 70th week is thousands of years future, there is NO way to get the idea from Revelation, there is NOTHING about pre-trib in Thessalonians... I love you and cant wait for His 2nd coming and our eternity with Him

That is SO my testimony too! Never knew it was a pattern! Walked an aisle as a child and at 21 had an experience of "restoring to me the joy of my salvation" and my life was changed from that day till today. Excellent message AGAIN Pastor Robert. KEEP 'EM COMING!

There is no secret coming of Jesus. Every eye will see. Jesus does not even know the day or hour.

That is what pre-tribulation believers do….OCCUPY!!!!!. In my experience, people who discredit a pre-trib rapture have no sense of urgency to get the gospel out. Jesus commanded believers to be WATCHMEN, and KNOW the signs. These signs are now converging at an alarming rate.

@tammymorgan8160

8 ай бұрын

❤

@paulettelamontagne6992

27 күн бұрын

Well I know there's no Rapture and I'm not any less urgent on preaching the word

@paulettelamontagne6992

27 күн бұрын

And we are in the time of the swarmers so they will look like they wear crowns but it's turbines

@joanwatkins3022

27 күн бұрын

@@paulettelamontagne6992 will you ever be shocked; hopefully in a good way!!!

I have heard both sides. I choose the rapture

Didn't the brother of Lot bargain with God to not destroy that city for the sakes of the righteous asking God if he would destroy the righteous along with the wicked making the righteous the same as the wicked? God did not destroy the wicked until he removed the righteous as to not punish the few righteous with the wicked. Same with Noah. God prepared the way to escape the flood so the one person and his family who found favor in God's eyes would not be destroyed with the wicked. I was taught God can not lie, can not change. Why would he change moving the righteous out of the way before bringing destruction and wrath to the unrighteousness when it comes to the rapture. He doesn't change how he does things. If there's no pre trib rapture, God would see no difference between the righteous and wicked. My God would not do that.

Thank you Pastor Robert’s🙏😃

Jesus is coming back for a people who have made themselves ready. No need to argue, just be ready. How do we get ready? We REPENT and be transformed through a REAL PERSONAL relationship with Jesus Christ.

@Kman.

3 ай бұрын

" For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." *II Cor **5:21* Salvation makes us "ready" to be raptured. The Bema then, is in heaven for BELIEVERS.

God will not put His True Children through His Wrath! Would you do that to your children? Yes there is tribulations in the world now. But, Not the Great Wrath. I Believe the Rapture comes after the Great Harvest. We will have the Banquet of the Bride. I Believe after the Seven Years is the Second Coming and We Will be With Our Warrior King!

@marymcmullen5644

4 ай бұрын

A banquet for 7 years???

@suzanneyoung6273

3 ай бұрын

There is no 7yrs tribulation. 3.5 yrs Tribulation 3.5yrs God’s Wrath.

@marklundberg2471

3 ай бұрын

Seven Years equal tribulation! Nations that have been brutalized by war, lack of food caused by drought or government, who live in fear of their government, pestilence , etc.. These people called their lifestyle as living in Tribulation. You might not look at the world that way. However, most of the world lives that way, but we only talk about maybe 20 Countries in world. I am going to still hold to Rapture. We as the church have failed we have failed in theology. We are having more arguments about rapture, apostles and prophets, who has the correct theology and who doesn’t. Healing isn’t possible and it’s all up to God. We have failed of acting in the Authority To Us By Jesus to do His Will On this Earth. We all seem to be using internet to prove what we think is wrong and use against whatever we don’t agree with. The problem is most of us aren’t going to the people in a biblical way. Plus most aren’t even speaking in Love As Jesus Said, To.

It is very important to be about our Father's business in telling the gospel to the lost. One who saves souls is wise!

Jesus said we wouldn't know the day nor hour. But He never said we wouldnt know the year. But does the year matter? Lets prepare the way for His comming. Amen! Mark 16!

Excellent. Modern end times teaching makes Jesus our Good Shepherd appear to be The Great Pumpkin who never ever never shows up when the prophetic experts declare He will. Why should they believe us about anything else??? Thank you Pastor Morris!😇

@ProphecywithTrish

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!! :)

@Janeiro-jd1wc

8 ай бұрын

@@ProphecywithTrish And He was 💯correct, as in 1 Corinthians 2 the rapture is spiritual As in 1 Thessalonians 4 the second coming(or day of the Lord ) or new heavens and new earth Comfort one another with those words

@joanwatkins3022

8 ай бұрын

Jesus said one of the Last Days signs will be SCOFFERS

@Janeiro-jd1wc

8 ай бұрын

@@joanwatkins3022 that is so true

@Janeiro-jd1wc

8 ай бұрын

@@joanwatkins3022 [3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. they wouldn’t be saying that if the rapture had already happened

He's a great teacher but wrong about the rapture - It's pretrib- those scriptures prove it. The Lord meets us in the air in the pretrib rapture and actually touches down 7 years later on a mountain for his 2nd coming. The rapture can happen at any time. He doesn't understand the difference between the rapture and the 2nd coming. Those scriptures separate those events.

The marriage supper will precede the second coming What bridegroom would neglect his bride and allow Her to be ravished!

@Mike65809

7 ай бұрын

When is the marriage supper in Revelation, and when does the bride descend from heaven ready for the spouse? Does that all happen before the tribulation or after?

Blessed Be Lord Jesus ...Amen ✝️🪔🪔🪔

PRE-TRIB IS TRUE

@daleparker741

8 ай бұрын

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31 KJV Pay close attention to the FIRST LINE of these words of Jesus.

@heknows5418

8 ай бұрын

@@daleparker741you have the 2nd coming confused with the rapture

@daleparker741

8 ай бұрын

Jesus only comes back once. Pre-trib rapture is having more faith in John Darby than faith and belief in Jesus and what he says.

@heknows5418

8 ай бұрын

@@daleparker741 who is Darby, I just took my pre trib from prayer and 50 plus years of study,

@heknows5418

8 ай бұрын

@@daleparker741 the tribulation is GODS WRATH, why would HE pour wrath on the believers, wouldn’t that make Jesus a bride abuser, rethink my brother. We are not appointed unto wrath

The following scripture refutes the pre-trib position completely ( and whenever presented in comments on end times prophecy channels, are either ignored or deleted: Revelation 20:4-6 New King James Version 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (please take note, this is the First Resurrection, the dead are raised before the living believers (remaining) are "caught up"), and the time frame when this takes place (those beheaded for refusing to take "the mark", which is during the "tribulation", not prior to it).

@neilwani1178

6 ай бұрын

Nope. The bride will be raptured pretrib. You can wait for Daniel's 70th week. You will know the date of the 2nd coming 7 years before the event. There is a resurrection for the prophet Daniel on the last day of Daniel 12 1-7. The day the people of Daniel will be delivered. On the last day of Daniel's 70th week the friends of the bridegroom will be resurrected. Is your first resurrection on the last day of Daniel's 70th week, or do we wait for your first resurrection after the one with Daniel 12 1-7.

@markanthony3275

5 ай бұрын

If you say there is no pre-trib rapture this is the corner you paint yourself into. In Daniel ch 12 the question is asked "How long until all these things are fulfilled ?" , and the answer surprisingly specific is "1290 days". That's 1290 days from a specific event previously described in Daniel, which is the antichrist entering the temple of Jerusalem to declare himself to be god. Now...if you say the church will be present during the Tribulation, then when they see the antichrist declare himself to be god, live on pay per view, they will know that Jesus Christ will be returning in 1290 days...because Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of all prophecy. But, didn't Jesus say that "No man knows the DAY nor the hour, not the Son of Man, nor the angels, but only the Father Himself" ? This makes either Daniel wrong of Jesus wrong...or worse...a liar. The ONLY way these two passages in scripture can be reconciled is if there is a pre-trib rapture.

@scottpangburn1704

15 күн бұрын

The tares go before the wheat

Love to hear pastor Roberts preach… But I will always believe in the rapture! Sorry, not sorry! If it doesn’t happen as I believe, well, at least I still know where I’m going after my life on earth! ❤

I believe in the rapture.

Haven't decided about some things taught. No man knows. Tomorrow isn't promised to anyone. Today is the day of salvation.

Thankyou Pastor for sharing what you believe. There are a lot of us who believe the same. Never grew up with a pretrib. I have looked into this belief, and for the life of me, I Don't understand why people are swallowing this. It is new in the West. Jesus never taught this. Neither did Paul or the ancient prophets.

The title of this message is not by Robert Morris.

About time

God appointed us not unto wrath

This has been taken out of context and misrepresented The we who are alive and remain are the believers who remain after the dead in Christ rise first. This chapter also says that God will bring them with Him. At the Rapture Jesus comes for His saints. At His second coming,He comes with His saints At the Rapture,we meet Him in the air At His second coming He sets His feet on the Mount of Olives. Rapture,He comes for His saints. Second coming-He comes with His saints. The confusion arises when you don't see these two events as seperate events

The 2nd coming is not the Rapture. Pastor Morris seems to be mixing these two events. Rapture of the Church is not the same thing as the 2nd coming of Christ. I hear a lot of pastors intermix these two by accident, even I did for a time. This seems to be a much older sermon so maybe he has a revised version.

Yes, we have a job to do...God is not finished with us yet...doing business!

Pastor Morris did not disprove a pre-trib rapture. He simply voiced his appropriate disapproval of getting side tracked by the topic of prophecy. However, when you talk to unbelievers who voice their fears over what is taking place in the world, understanding Biblical prophecy can help you testify to the need for Jesus Christ. So a basic grasp of prophecy can help the believer "take care of business" I don't agree with his use of that passage in Mathew for the purposes he used it, because Mathew ch 24 is about Jesus taking questions from his jewish disciples about what will happen to ISRAEL. Mathew 24 is not about the church, it's about Israel. Pastor Morris talked about the gospel being preached to the entire world and then the end will come ?...fast forward to Revelation...who is preaching the word to the entire world? The 144,000 sealed witnesses that are jews will testify to the world's jews. In Revelation ch 14 the Bible says "I saw an angel flying in mid-air with the eternal gospel to preach to every nation tribe and tongue"...so an angel preaches the gospel to the rest of the world. My question for pastor Morris is , how come it says in Revelation 14 that it's an angel fulfilling the great commission and not the church? How about, because there is no church in the Tribulation to preach the gospel...and that means a pre-trib rapture necessarily. So this is something that should be taught in church. Btw pastor Robert, I do know when Jesus will return...it will be "at a time when you least expect", (a little of your kind of humour for you!). On a more serious matter Pastor Robert, the pre-trib rapture was taught by John who wrote the gospel of John, and Revelation. And John taught it to his disciple Polycarp, who taught it to his disciple Irenaeus. Concerned with heresy in the church, Irenaeus wrote a book called "On Heresy". Guess what one of the heresies he wrote against was ? That there was no pre-trib rapture. Maybe you should look into this. I can make a pretty convincing case for John teaching a pre-trib rapture in 1st John ch 4 vs 1-3 as an implication of Jesus Christ coming in the flesh. What's also pretty important about what John wrote is where the teaching against the implications of Christ coming in the flesh originates from...the same spirit that caused Peter to upbraid our Lord about going to His death in Jerusalem. And what did Jesus say to Him ? I know you know that already.

Hmm the second advent/second coming he comes and touches down on earth on the mount of olives- taking vengeance and all will see him. The Harpazo/rapture we meet Him in the clouds and go to heaven with him for the 7 day(year) wedding celebration while the 7 yr trib is going on. We come Back with him / behind him on white horses during the second coming. Your teaching is not in harmony with scripture.

There's SO MUCH disagreement on this subject. I guess will have to just be READY at ALL TIMES just in case!! Whether we go through the Tribulation or not, Jesus is with Us through it ALL❣️🙌

Thankyou amen in the name of Jesus Chtist

The Second Coming is not the Rapture. Robert Morris does not disprove the Pretrib Rapture and this video is mislabled. Someone needs to correct this incorrect title.

@ProphecywithTrish

23 күн бұрын

The rapture happens at the 2nd Coming! 🥰

@Kman.

20 күн бұрын

@@ProphecywithTrish It's not sensible to think there will be a *"2 for 1 Combo"* and here's a few reasons why... *1* When Christ returns to earth, He remains here for His millennial reign. That being so, you just scrubbed heaven from the believer's future. *2* When Christ returns to earth, & if this were the RAPTURE, you would have HIM coming to US, right? It would be US receiving HIM, agree? Well that would turn *John 14:3* on its head, for the verse makes CLEAR, that we go to where HE is...He doesn't come to where WE are. "...I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." *3* We're CHANGED once we do meet our Saviour, & if He only comes to earth w/o FIRST removing the church in advance, the earth cannot repopulate during the millennial reign of Christ, for they will not be able to reproduce, nor will they be given in marriage. *4* Both the Bema Judgment & the marriage take place in heaven, so you just erased both of THESE events from scripture too if there's only a 2nd coming. *5* You're placing the church here on earth during the tribulation, yet there's no scripture that gives us WHY we would have to be here, and on the OTHER hand, there are several passages that give us the PURPOSE & the PEOPLE the tribulation is aimed at, and not a single ONE of them includes us. On & on we could go to list out reasons *WHY* there cannot be a *"2 for 1 Combo*" where the rapture is combined with Christ's return to earth. All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*

1 Thessalonians chapter 5:4 says But you,brethren,are not in darkness,that that day should overtake you as a thief,for ye are all sons of light. Paul makes a clear distinction between between them (the sons of darkness,who the sudden destruction comes upon and us;who he says that day will not overtake Jesus Christ does not intend to abuse His bride for seven years

I was raised Pentacostal. Ive never spoken in tongues. Ive confessed my sins, and been water... I've saught speeking in tounges What do i do?

@peggythibodeau2222

8 ай бұрын

Kenneth Hagin Ministries has a wonderful little pamphlet called The Bible Way to Receive the Holy Spirit. He teaches that it is something you RECEIVE. Find someone who has the true baptism with the HS. Ask them to baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Then open your mouth in faith and move your mouth and tongue, without speaking English.

@misteralan9993

8 ай бұрын

Have faith, you already Got it. Just say (in your own words) with a sincere heart. Father I thank you YOU said that if I ask I shall have, and I thank you that you Have given me the Holy Spirit and that baptism of the Holy Spirit. And right now I thank you for that baptism of fire. After you pray with a sincere heart. Just open your mouth and start speaking in tongues. It may sound like just sounds at first. But just like Moses stretched out the rod over the red sea by faith, and Peter stepped out on the water by faith. The same you must do by faith. The Holy Spirit isn't gonna flap your mouth for you. You have to by faith speak. Amen!

@jg7857

5 ай бұрын

Obey Acts 2:38

@reneemeyer6297

3 ай бұрын

I sure hope you don’t think you must speak in tongues to go to Heaven because you don’t but if you want to speak in tongues just keep seeking the gift. One day it will come. That’s how it was for me.

He is a real novest

A careful reading, with attention to context, of Matthew 24 refutes the wrongful notion that the pretrib rapture is a modern idea. When matters of controversy arise the testimony of Jesus will always settle the matter; and we are repeatedly warned about those who preach contrary doctrines. Dated in 1706, the commentary of Matthew Henry on chapter 24 of the book of Matthew painstakingly explains its context. By the Grace of God and the Blood of the Lamb we are saved, and not just from an eternity separated from God but from His wrath. And to think otherwise is a weak, fraudulent attempt to diminish the willful sacrifice of Jesus.

@ProphecywithTrish

2 ай бұрын

We're saved from wrath, not tribulation. 💖

Thank you it is refreshing to hear someone teach on this and let the scriptures speak for itself. I struggled with this for years and there were two things that I could not get Around first of all that the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens first .Four times in the gospel of John Jesus says this happens on the last day. Also, at the last trumpet recorded in scripture the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of God. then, finally, there’s a scripture in revelation, chapter 20 😮 a group of people who did not bow down to the antichrist, and were martyred for their faith during the great tribulation, and they are recorded in the first resurrection of the dead in Christ that happens before the catching away and this mortal putting on immortality. I 😅 of you who have really been brainwashed with all of the window dressing that goes along with the pre-tribulation rapture, teaching to just let the Scriptures speak for their selves. Matthew chapter 24. Jesus says immediately after the tribulation he will gather and meet his elect in the air. we are to persevere and overcome this world by the blood of the lamb, and the word of our testimony. Jesus said I will be with you till the end of the age and he gives us his peace.

👣With due respect to this brother, it seems Robert Morris does not discern the rapture. Notes: The 2nd coming is not the rapture. Jesus does not place any foot on ground for rapture. Verses for 2nd coming in bible is not the same as verses dealing with rapture. I am so disappointed with this teaching because it comes from a good person of God. However, because I love Jesus Christ, I also love you. ponder this good man of God: What is the distinction Christ coming for His saints and Christ coming with His saints? My Father, I pray in name of dear Jesus, with a power from the Holy Spirit that has given to believes to know the church will be raptured before the second coming. Father, thanks.

When the 2 witnesses teach as in Rev. 11 the Gospel will be in the whole world right? That is before 2nd coming. right?

@ProphecywithTrish

6 ай бұрын

Yes, I believe the 2 witnesses have their ministry in the 2nd half of the final 7 years, which overlaps with the angels that preach the everlasting Gospel to the world. 😊

Revelation 20:4-6

"Abomination of Desolation" disproves the Pre-Trib all by itself

@user-qz8ng4nk5b

8 ай бұрын

How's that? You found it where? Seriously want to know, not debate.

@floydhuson1735

8 ай бұрын

@@user-qz8ng4nk5b The "Abomination of Desolation" tells all to run not stop for clothes or money, run.... this is half way through the Tribulation,with 3.5yrs left.....Kinds hard to Run if you're already raptured

@dawnricherson2604

7 ай бұрын

The abomination that causes desolation happens 1260 days or 3 1/2 years into the Tribulation and begins the last 1/2 of the Tribulation, called The Great Tribulation where Antichrist will declare himself to be God in the Temple and require all to worship him by getting the Mark of the Beast.

@reneemeyer6297

3 ай бұрын

@@floydhuson1735 many people will be saved during the tribulation. This is the point of 144,000 evangelists.

@pattydalin4972

2 ай бұрын

Who is Israel in your eschatology? What time frame is the Tribulation? Maybe research the Greek word Harpazo... None of your points negate pre-trib.

When is the Wedding Supper of the Lamb with when He takes us to be with Him forever?

@donnaleveron5711

8 ай бұрын

Revelation 19

@user-bx8mq6nw7t

8 ай бұрын

@@donnaleveron5711 So when is it, before the tribulation, during the tribulation, or after the tribulation?

@agnesblome1953

8 ай бұрын

After the last Trump. At the very end of everything.

@user-bx8mq6nw7t

8 ай бұрын

@@agnesblome1953 Thought the church, the bride of Christ was at the Wedding Supper of the Lamb when Jesus joins us with Him in the clouds, a private meeting with Him, then we become His wife. It's when He sets His feet on Mount Olivet when He comes the second time, seen by the whole world, to join with Him the ones who did not take the mark of the beast during the tribulation. Then we ride with Him on white horses to watch Him destroy the remnant of sin forever! God Almighty creates a new heaven and a new earth and we live with Him forever in Paradise.

So refreshing to hear this angle. Enough Pretrib fantasy already.

The Holy Ghost is Presiding in my life and not MERELY A RESIDENT in Christ Jesus’ name. I Believe that must be the BELIEF of the Looking HASTENERS of Christ Jesus’ RETURN.❤❤❤😂😅😊❤❤❤

His opinion of why he believes this, not prove or disprove.

Hmmm i believe in pre trib ❤ robert morris teaching except this one

Thank you Pastor for this great true teaching!❤

Only those who are looking for and HASTENING unto the RAPTURE are been CAUGHT UP. While the rest of the church are being the very end of the world examples of Holiness. Remembering that without holiness nobody can see Christ Jesus. ❤❤❤😊😅😂❤❤❤

@Kman.

3 ай бұрын

*II Cor **5:21* refutes your false claim. The bride/body of Christ is not broken & will not leg into heaven. Sinless perfection (which you're touting), is heresy.

John Nelson Darby Jim Evans Pretribulation

@markanthony3275

5 ай бұрын

John , the author of the gospel of John, 1st, 2nd, 3rd John and Revelation, taught his disciple Polycarp that there would be a pre-trib rapture. Polycarp taught his disciple Irenaeus that there would be a pre-trib rapture. Irenaeus , concerned about heresies creeping into the church, wrote a book , "On Heresy". Guess what one of the heresies was that he wrote against? The heresy that there is no pre-trib rapture.

Noah didn’t drown in the flood and Lot didn’t burn up in Sodom. And Jesus said the end of the world will be like the days of Noah and Lot.

Father gave me a waking vision of in the clouds, HE let me see how FEW of you have a relationship with Jesus. This is fatal. Soon The Holy Spirit will be taken out and the pestilence comes down. Until then HE is still listening. Will you call out? Your choice.

Harpazo means rapturo which is rapture....Christ don't come twice....he collects the dead then church right after without coming down to earth....we meat him in air....he dont come twice in that regaurd

Whether it’s right or not we will all find out but his reasoning is way off base when you simply read the entire Bible in the proper context in which it is written.

YES HE IS"" YESSS IM READY . BO YESHUA BO"" POUR YOUR HOLY SPIRIT OVER"" YOUR CHILDERN.. IN Jesus name

What’s missing in the comments and this preacher’s sermon is the difference between prophecy and mystery; Paul’s vision on the Damascus road and all that was revealed to him - first - never before spoken of. Does this pastor believe that the modern day church has replaced nation Israel? If you get dispensational understanding from the scripture wrong - you’re gonna be wrong on a lot! Does he preach that we are to tithe? If so, does his church do animal sacrifices? Think and then read the letters from Paul. Begin though in Acts 7.

If you don’t obey Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, you won’t be in the rapture regardless when it happens

The Second Coming is not the Rapture! The Second Coming is immediately after the 7 year tribulation! The 7 year tribulation is not to chasen the Faithful People of God! The 7 year tribulation is for God to pour out His Great Wrath to Judge sin, evil, and wickedness, including the antichrist, the beast, and the false prophet!

@QuehannaWildman

7 күн бұрын

If you dont know what your talking about dont say anything at all

The bible has been printed in every language and missionaries have preached in jungles n all over the world, so what did i miss after reading the bible thru 3 times...serious question...some.of the same versus he uses to say post trib is same as those preaching pre trib...i suppose for me ill grab plenty of oil for my lamp and just b joyful that HE is coming and be ready...

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Jim Evans believe in Pretribulation who is on his Staff

Who are the ones left behind?

@trevino965

6 ай бұрын

The "left behind" are those who did not meet the Lord in the air "raptured" which is not the "second coming"

Let’s be like the Bereans…read the Scriptures and discern false teachings.

Intrest8ng ... Give give give Never heard Jesus say Give give give. How bout surrender

Would Jesus beat up his bride before marrying her? No!!!!!?

@ProphecywithTrish

6 ай бұрын

Jesus doesn't beat any Christian up, and that statement is extremely disrespectful to all the Martyrs that have laid down their life for Jesus. Please read Foxe's Book of Martyrs and research your brothers & sisters in Christ who are being tortured & killed for their faith right now. Millions of Christians have died for their faith over the last 2000 years. I understand that you are just repeating a talking point that you've heard, and maybe you never thought about how each and every disciple of Jesus was put to death in a painful way for Christ (except John who was exiled.) Jesus told us to expect persecution and tribulation, so to think that we're going to disappear before trouble is completely Unbiblical. I hope you will pray about this. God bless! 🙏 💙🕊

@neilwani1178

6 ай бұрын

​@@ProphecywithTrishthe pretrib rapture has warnings. Proper eschatology will come down to Revelation chapter 11 and the city of Jerusalem in the near future

@neilwani1178

6 ай бұрын

​​@@ProphecywithTrish The modern teaching with the 7 year tribulation will be proven correct. Scholars teach Luke 21 12-23 occurred 2000 years ago in the generation of the 2nd temple. But the most important part of Luke 21 is Luke 21 24-28. Jerusalem will be trampled by the gentiles till the times of the gentiles will be fulfilled. And then the 2nd coming. All doctrine and eschatology will come down to Revelation chapter 11. Rev 11 2 is the future 3rd temple in Jerusalem with an outercourt. The times of the gentiles will end 42 months from an event at the future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. It will be at a time 2 prophets will appear in Jerusalem. The date of the 2nd coming will be known 7 prophetic years before the event. In the end times, a year will be exactly 360 days. The date of the 2nd coming will be known 2520 days before the event. The pretrib rapture is in Luke 21 29-36 and Matthew 24 32-51 and Mark 13 28-36 and Matthew 25 1-13. There are severe warnings for the pretrib rapture. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h6ybys6MhKnWZ84.html

@neilwani1178

6 ай бұрын

​@@ProphecywithTrishPlease post your study of Revelation chapter 11 here so people can see how you treat God's Word. When people present a study of that passage of the city of Jerusalem in the near future, I get a very good idea of the way they care for God's Word.

There are no passages in context that actually teach a pretrib rapture. It's an idea brought to each passage. It's false teaching.

@trevino965

6 ай бұрын

Question? Who are "saints who purified their robes" who accompany Jesus in the "second coming"? If you say"old testament" saints plz share biblical references.

@Mike65809

6 ай бұрын

@@trevino965 No, not at all OT saints. They are Christians who are overcomers. "He who overcomes will be dressed in white," it says. So they have overcome as their Lord has overcome and is in white.

@markanthony3275

5 ай бұрын

In the letters to the churches in Revelation, what are some of the things Jesus promises they will receive in heaven? A white robe, a crown and a throne. In Revelation ch 4 ,what are the 24 elders doing in heaven ? Wearing white robes, crowns and sitting on thrones. See , the pre-trib rapture is in the Bible or else how did the elders get there and receive their rewards? And there are more scriptures showing this than you might think.

YESSSS & Amennnnnn

We know the Antichrist will set a 7year treaty for Israel those believers on the earth will know who he is because of that treaty. We know because of 10 virgins in Matt 25 that only 5 of 10 will be ready for the bridegroom meaning only half the church will be raptured. 2 Thes 2 we know the rebellion/ falling away will happen before the AC is revealed and the one holding the AC back (The believers who will be raptured are taken away) they need to be taken away so the prophecy of the AC work can fulfilled

@seliacordero3674

8 ай бұрын

Therefore the rapture must happen before the 7 year treaty begins. Also on the day of the Libyan flood, it happened overnight at 3am their time. Before I knew what happened I saw darkness, no phones working and no internet service. I went to sleep. The next day I felt the Lord tell me to read the whole book of Daniel and read all the verses I could find on the arrival of the Antichrist (AC), not revealing instead his arrival. Put these verses together and they seem to match what happened in the Libyan Flood. Daniel 7:2, 7:7, 9:26, 11:40 and Rev 13:1 and 2Thes 2:9 and Luke 17:26-27. The verses state The AC/the beast will be seen by the Dragon/Satan coming out of the Great/Mediterranean sea. The verses confirm that in Daniel's vision which happen at night in darkness, the 4 winds churn up the Great Sea that produce the 4th beast/AC . He will come in like a flood crushing and devouring his victims underfoot. The tossing of the sea will leave the nations in anguish and perplexity. Keep in mind the storm that flooded Libya was named " Storm Daniel" it left them that night with no phone, internet or electricity in darkness. I believe the arrival of the AC has been overlooked and should be on the prophectic calendar. Daniel was told to close the scroll until the end. Because the U.N. and W.E.F. want global changes done by the end of 2030 that is 7 years and 3 months away, that the rapture will happen by the end of 2023 because the AC is almost ready to be revealed. I believe the scroll of Daniel may have been opened on the night of the Libyan flood.

I believe in a post-tribulation rapture. Just my PhD opinion, neither side can be proven. Both pre and post have good arguments, but if pre is wrong and we have to go through the rapture, how many will fall away from the faith because they feel deceived??

@dawnricherson2604

7 ай бұрын

The children of God are not appointed to his wrath and the Church doesn’t appear after the 3rd chapter of Revelation because it has been raptured. The rapture is a doctrine of imminency and therefore, rules out mid and post trib. Mid trib is 1260 days after the peace treaty is established with Israel. The last half of the Tribulation is the Great Tribulation and also 1260 days. So since the last half of the Tribulation starts the day Antichrist declares himself to be God in the Temple and demands that everyone worship him by getting the Mark, then that would identify the day of the rapture. Since no one knows the day or the hour, this eliminates the possibility of either a mid or post trib.

Chapter 4 f8rst verse kn9w study ,research

Does the Quran say JESUS IS THE CHRIST? Galatians 5:19-21. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, THAT THOSE WHO PRACTICE SUCH THINGS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Ephesians 5:1-7. Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma. 3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, HAS ANY INHERITANCE IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND CHRIST. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED. NEITHER fornicators, NOR idolaters, NOR adulterers, NOR homosexuals, NOR sodomites, 10 NOR thieves, NOR covetous, NOR drunkards, NOR revilers, NOR extortioners WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD Revelation 21:7-8. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMESTONE, which is the second death.” Matthew 7:21-23. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK LAWLESSNESS/INIQUITY/SIN.

Preaching the Pre-Trib Rapture can cause the "Great Falling Away"

@joanwatkins3022

8 ай бұрын

OR, it can cause a huge need to get the Gospel out and a desire to live a more holy life! Seems like those would be PLEASING to God!!!

@neilwani1178

6 ай бұрын

One of the most difficult passage to understand so I try to explain it simply 2 THESS 2 Many people are not understanding 1 Thess 5. That passage only has 2 events unlike 2 Thess 2 which has events in between. 1 Thess 5 has the rapture since we are of the day. We are sober. We are not appointed to wrath. And 1 Thess 5 has the day of the Lord at the 6th seal that starts as birth pangs on the wicked. 1 Thess 5 does not have the apostasy that will start after the pretrib rapture and 1 Thess 5 does not have the man of sin revealed at the 5th seal. Let me rephrase 2 Thess 2 so people can understand: Thessalonians do not be alarmed with a letter saying the day of the Lord at at the 6th seal has already started. That day will not start until the apostasy in the first half starts and the man of sin is revealed at the 5th seal midtrib. Now you know what is holding our gathering and all this evil to come. You are holding all this evil back. You are righteous and of the day. You are restraining all this back. There is no rapture in the 2nd half of Daniels 70th week after the antichrist is revealed midtrib. The 6th seal will be opened for the sake of 144,000 from Israel with Matthew 24 22. And the day of the Lord judgments will start. The trumpet judgments will start for the sake of 144,000 from Israel. And the 2nd coming will be on the day of the 7th trumpet immediately after the tribulation with Matthew 24 29-31.

Pastor Roberts, you deny the blessed hope the rapture of the church, in 1st Tessalonians chapture 4, 14 to 18. Thats before the tribulation.

Dispensationalists theology was created by John Nelson Darby who had seances in his basement. The teachings were perpetuated by Scofield. This misinterpretation in now taught in most seminaries. This is tragic indeed!

@neilwani1178

6 ай бұрын

Scholars teach Luke 21 12-23 was during during the time of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem. But the most important part of Luke 21 is Luke 21 24-28. Jerusalem will be trampled by the gentiles till the times of the gentiles will be fulfilled. And then the 2nd coming. The book of Revelation starts to talk about the city of Jerusalem in Revelation chapter 11. Rev 11 2 is the future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. The times of the gentiles will end 42 months from an event at the future 3rd temple in Jerusalem with Rev 11 2. It will be at a time 2 prophets will appear in Jerusalem. What is tragic is the dishonesty with the text in Revelation chapter 11 people come up with. Even though Revelation chapter 11 is the most important passage for correct eschatology.

People’s opinions about when the rapture happens matter not. All that REALLY matters is the Word of God, and Jesus said it so plainly, “IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬. Don’t listen to prophetic speculations and “footnotes” in your Bible, listen to the Words of Jesus Christ…there is NOT A SINGLE passage of the Bible which DIRECTLY TEACHES a pre-tribulation rapture. It is all based upon “prophetic speculation.” As Pastor Morris so clearly states, pre-tribulation rapture is a doctrine based largely on “footnotes” and prophetic speculation (i.e., interpretations, not ACTUAL scriptures) that emerged in the last 150 years and taught only in English speaking seminaries. Americans love the pre-trib rapture because it tickles their ears and teaches “escapism.” It tells them they will “escape” the hardest part - the great tribulation. But, what Jesus said and the apostles taught is: HE is only coming back ONCE, not TWICE! His Return will be joyous for believers & terrible for non-believers, but it will be VERY, VERY PUBLIC. Everyone on earth will hear it and see it. It’s NOT going to be some secret, silent, invisible escape ticket out of the tribulation, where Jesus sneaks you back up to heaven for 7 years, and then you come back. No, the tribulation is NOT the “DAY of WRATH” of God spoken of in scripture. Check it out for yourself, every time the term “day of wrath” is used in Revelation it refers to the final judgment day, not the tribulation, no matter how “great.” As Pastor Robert states, whatever you’re going to believe about Jesus’ return, base it on scripture, preferably Jesus’ own words, not on someone’s prophetic speculation or on some theologian’s footnote in your Bible. Look at what Jesus said, See, Matt 24:29 bible.com/bible/114/mat.24.29.NKJV

@Kman.

2 ай бұрын

Your post is a heap of gish-gallop, and forgive me...but you hold a *JD,* yet can't even take PARAGRAPH breaks? To boot, as an ATTORNEY(?), you would THINK you u/stand, that you begin by *1st* laying out the evidence, & _T H E N_ bring your summary statements, *AFTER* you've made your case. You on the o/hand, chose to put the proverbial cart before the horse...you're trying to have the tail wag the dog. You've made *NO* attempt to substantiate your claims. You're begging the question in ASSUMING the church is even mentioned in *Matt 24.* When you cull a verse from _DEEEEEP_ in a passage w/o establishing the CONTEXT, you're guilty of contextomy. One could address e/thing else you "tried" to bring up in your post, but knowing you started off on the wrong foot *(Matt 24),* it only leads to error.

Jesus come in the clouds at that time time of rapture, and does not touch his feet on the ground, Jesus also said that we should pray that we be counted worth to escape the wrath come, which happens immediately after we are "snatched out". Also when the dead arise at that time, but we who are alive will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye, And this age ends the "time of the Gentiles" for the Great Tribulation is the last week of Daniels promised 70 weeks of years to the Israelite's. And at that time 144 thousand Jewish young men along with the two prophets wil preach to the people. the pastor did not say there is no pre-tribe rapture. Only the person who posted this video. And she is wrong in her opinion and should Apologize to him for her comment.

This teaching is so wrong. What does studying the end times without a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week do? How does that effect a person's interpretation? What has happened with Daniel chapter 9? Why is it so important? Well so many scholars have said it was a prophecy for 490 biblical years. And 483 years were fulfilled when Messiah was cutoff in 33 AD. Then later the temple and the city was destroyed in 70 AD. And 7 biblical years are pending for the future of this world and then Daniel 9 24 will be fulfilled. Bible prophecy did not mention things that happened in the church age. The bible clearly hints Daniel 9 27 is future. Rev 11 2 says there will be a future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. Daniel 12 11 says the abomination of desolation will stop the daily sacrifice. 2 Thess 2 says the man of sin will enter the temple of God and demand to be worshiped as God. Rev 13 5-7 says a man will speak blasphemies and from that day have authority to continue 42 months over saints from all nations. Daniel 7 25 says the saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. Matthew 24 15 says the abomination of desolation will trigger the great tribulation that starts the worst time the world will ever see. So if you read Matthew 24 without a clear understanding of Daniel's 70th week, you really say the 2nd coming is the rapture. But with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week, knowing the world is headed for a covenant for 2520 days or 7 biblical years, you run into problems. The abomination of desolation has to happen on day 1261 of the 7 year covenant. And from day 1261, the saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. Day 2520 will be the day of the 2nd coming immediately after the tribulation. The problem with those passages is that scripture cannot be broken. They are saints starting midtrib that start to be martyred on day 1261. And they will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 1260 days. Scripture will not be broken. Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7 will not be broken. There are no saints better than other saints. And there is no rapture on a day that will be known years before the event immediately after the tribulation. The problems come from the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins where no man knows the day or the hour. But the date of the 2nd coming will be known 7 biblical years before the event. If you read 2 Thess 2 and realize the man of sin is revealed in the temple midtrib, then you realize that the day of the Lord as birth pangs starts after that. And great confusion occurs with our gathering. But then with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week again there are problems. The saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. And Daniel 9 24 occurs immediately after the tribulation on the last day. How can our gathering be any day in the 2nd half? So now you know what is restraining all this that is going to come unto the world. Our gathering is restraining all this. Then worldwide apostasy. Then the man of sin will be revealed midtrib.Then some unknown time in the 2nd half the day of the Lord judgments will start on the wicked as birth pangs and the wicked will not escape. These birth pangs will get worse and worse till the last day. But this will not break the Word of God with Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7. The saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. And the last day of the birth pangs immediately after the tribulation will be known 7 biblical years before the event. What happens when a person starts reading the book of Revelation. They see passages and Jesus coming in the clouds and on a horse. But again with a proper study of Daniel's 70th week there are problems. In the 2nd half Rev 13 5-7 occurs and the antichrist will have authority over saints from all nations for 42 months or 1260 days. And there is a trumpet in Matthew 24 27-31 and the angels gather His elect immediately after the tribulation. But this cannot break the Word of God. A person needs to figure out what day of Daniel's 70th week that trumpet will sound. This creates a huge problem. The book of Revelation only gives the antichrist authority to continue 42 months from the day he speaks great blasphemies. And Rev 1 7 says He comes on the clouds and all eyes will see Him. Meaning in Russia and China and Africa and North America and Japan and South America. Now it becomes supernatural when all the world can see the Lord and angels and heaven open. Zech 14 6-9 and Luke 17 23-37 along with Daniel 9 24 says it all ends on that day. All the wicked are destroyed on that day and that makes the bowl judgments supernatural after the entire world sees the Lord.

@markanthony3275

5 ай бұрын

If you really want to hear an in depth presentation of Daniel and Revelation among other things, check out Dr.David Hocking's You Tube series on the entire books of Daniel and Revelation. One thing I learned from Dr. David is that over 700 references from Daniel have been detected in Revelation...so a fundamental understanding of Daniel is crucial to everything else. You will not be disappointed, and you will see why certain interpretations of Daniel do not make any sense because Dr. David goes through the contentious issues which others always want to skip over. I don't agree with pastor Robert's position in some parts of his presentation, but I do agree that letting prophecy sidetrack us from sharing the good news is a real problem. I happen to hold the opinion that knowing about ALL of the Bible helps me share the good news. Dr. David is a heavyweight when it comes to explaining Biblical prophecy because of the depth he gets to.

@neilwani1178

5 ай бұрын

@markanthony3275 this video below will disprove Dr. David Hockings

@markanthony3275

5 ай бұрын

@@neilwani1178 Actually...it didn't disprove what Dr. hocking shows that the Bible teaches. There is a four part series by Dr. Hocking on KZread, on why the pre-rib rapture is in the Bible. Maybe you should watch it...and have your mind changed.

The “Baptism of the Holy Spirit” is an another ‘new’ teaching. Began with the Azusa St revival and led to the charismatic renewal. I too must disagree Robert Morris on this one.

@ProphecywithTrish

25 күн бұрын

The Baptism of The Holy Spirit is in the New Testament! 🤗 Acts 1:5

I've never been a pre trib person. I point to ww2 as a kind of blueprint for the tribulation and the church.

@donnaleveron5711

8 ай бұрын

The Old Testament gives a much better perspective, God always takes His people through trials and tribulations, not out of the way. We come through purified, like gold.

@joanwatkins3022

8 ай бұрын

If you give an honest study of Revelation, you will see there is NO mention of the church in chapters 6-21….I wonder why. Could it because God has removed His Bride?

@CarmonBenford

8 ай бұрын

@@joanwatkins3022 Well said! and @patricialk4996 is right on! Pastor Morris makes a good point, though, that we shouldn't rest on our laurels, that we should get as many people around the world onto Jesus Christ. It isn't Pastor Morris or folks who want to debate pre-trib, post-trib, etc. we have to rebuke. We've got to get Satan to take a hike and dance his victory dance in that locked bottomless pit he's heading for.

Most Christians don’t understand the word tribulation, nor do they understand that it will only be 3 1/2 years, not 7. Nor do they understand that it’s the beast who brings the “tribulation “ on the body of Christ. Good teaching here Pastor Morris.

@donnaleveron5711

8 ай бұрын

Revelation 12:12 tells us whose wrath.

@afaithfulman

8 ай бұрын

Wrath is anger. Satan's anger is not to be confused with God's wrath. He {Satan} brings his anger against God's people who bear God's image to strike back at God. When God pours out His wrath, it's to judge the wicked who refuse to repent. i.e. such as He did tp Pharoah and the Egyptians.@@donnaleveron5711

@seliacordero3674

8 ай бұрын

It is 7 years. We are already in very hard times escalated to events never seen before that will only get worse. And the 7 year peace treaty hasn't even been signed yet. Even the scientist agree the climate is only going to get worse. The Lord said if he didn't shorten the days his elect would not survive. There's no break after the 7 year tribulation begins it just steady gets worse.

What’s really interesting to me is that he never really declared which version of the second coming he believes in Is it simultaneous with the second coming then why didn’t he clearly say that? What am I missing?

@Kman.

2 ай бұрын

I've heard little to nothing of the guy. I just looked up on his website however to see just where he stood on end times, & if you ask ME, it's s/what "wishy-washy". He states; _"We affirm the bodily, personal, second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, the resurrection of the saints, the millennium, and the final judgment. The final judgment will determine the eternal status of both the saints and the unbelievers, determined by their relationship to Jesus Christ."_ It kinda/sorta sounds like he's post-trib rapture, but what I find more troubling in that statement, is it SOUNDS like he's saying a person's eternal destiny can't be confirmed until they meet Christ. Piper & a few other Calvinists believe this to be so as well. I care not to learn any more about the man...the above tells me e/thing I want to know.

M ORR😢IS he in ok u

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Funny how people word things just so u watch it good speech though,,,I never tithed spent all my money on kids and grandkids,,my grandkids seemed like a calling driving them to church and getting most of their groceries and feeding them,,,am I wrong,,,pray for my household,all my helping has caused me to owe twice what I earn,,,,

@Beencouraged777

8 ай бұрын

The only reason you owe twice what you earn is because you put yourself in that position has nothing to do with “tithing.” Just take accountability for poor planning. Has nothing to do with God, nothing at all. Tithing was never for the gentile Christians. And the only reason Jesus even spoke about tithing is because as a Jew, he was born under the law which governed his nation, Israel.Are you a Jew, and were you born under the mosaic law? Even the Jews today don’t practice tithing. There is no need for a temple. There is no need for a priest and there is no need for sacrifices ,Jesus fulfilled everything when he was nailed to the cross, He became the ultimate and final sacrifice that was needed to cover all sin.

Robert must just read the bible then he will see the truth. That happens when you start thinking your own ideas.

Read your King James Bible!

Pretrib rapture is a false doctrine. Acts 1:9-11 tells us how Jesus will return. Matthew 24:30, Mark 13:26, and Luke 21:27 concur. Read all of these chapters. This is Jesus telling us what to expect and the sequence of events. Pay close attention to verses 29-31 in Matthew and 24-27 in Mark and 25-27 in Luke. After means after. For those who have been told it is just for the Jews, see Galatians 3:28-29 and Romans 8:15-17. Jesus was speaking to His disciples, see John 8:31-32. To be ready for Jesus, you need to be cleansed by the washing of the water by the Word. Ephesians 5:25-27.

@miajones907

8 ай бұрын

Luke:21-28 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh Jesus was speaking to the Jews and a true Bible Scholar would know this. It is when Jesus turns his attention back to the Jews - that’s why it’s called Jacobs Trouble. There will be many tribulation saints that come to Jesus through the two witnesses, the angels declaring the gospel in the skies and the 144,000 Jewish witnesses. This man is a false teacher and this is a Masonic teaching - we might as well by lane and start prepping.

@Mike65809

6 ай бұрын

@@miajones907 Almost all of Jesus' teaching was directed to Jews. Do you just ignore it? The truth is there will be Christian Jews in Jerusalem when the Lawless one is revealed. But also know the Beast rules the whole world and makes war against the saints, us.

@markanthony3275

5 ай бұрын

@@Mike65809 Many people totally get Mathew ch 24 wrong because they ignore the context. The context is Jesus taking questions from His Jewish disciples about what will happen to Israel . Notice all the Jewish only references Jesus uses to answer questions about "the end" and His return...." the abomination" from Daniel..."the temple"..."the sabbath"..."the rooftop"..."the Judean countryside"..."the elect', and "the fig tree". Mathew ch 24 is about what will happen to Israel, not the church.

I used to listen to morris until he started bragging about " celebrities " he hangs out with. Supporting known false teachers. And started pushing prosperity teaching. He has some good sermons but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. It saddens me that he chooses to go down this path. I do pray for him.