Wow! 4 videos in less than 72 hours! And all of them are of excellent quality and full of information!My hat off to you Chris, you must be some kind of super-human, thank you!

@awesukisuki

Жыл бұрын

I think it's his scorpio!🥳😆🙌

@arthurlutsker7726

Жыл бұрын

😢😢😢😢😢r😅😮 m

What an honor to hear you speak with the great Rob Hand! Thank you! 💫

I had a reading with Rob Hand recently and I'll forever cherish it. I'm mad he has to defend himself right now. I'm grateful for Chris taking this on and providing a platform for Rob to speak his peace.

@freyayumang

Жыл бұрын

Where can i reach rob hand for a personal reading?

@Ghost.cat.17

11 ай бұрын

his website is arhat media @@freyayumang

Ive absolutely loved being able to hear first hand experiences from Robert and Demetra. This weekend has been filled with so much great information

Your coverage of this issue, your care-full-ness as you interview, your tone of respect and the hospitality you show are as essential to this effort as the discussion itself, Chris. Thank you for all you do for the astrology community and the spirit in which you give yourself to it. I appreciate you.

Talk to the Hand, as my nieces would say decades ago to someone who was dissing them. ✋ Thank you both for this!

Awesome to see Rob Hand speak to this!!! Chris - I appreciate how you are going to first hand sources to clarify what really happened. I recall being at a table with him discussing the idea back at Rob's mind-blowing workshop on ancient astrology (in San Francisco through Kepler University in the late 1990s). Last week I started another reading of his Horoscopic Symbols book - which shows how much he has valued understanding and clarity above all else. I would love to see an interview in the future to see how or if the ideas he presented in that book may have evolved since he wrote it or just review of topics of his material from his point of view today. Rob Hand has been a pioneer in the type of research you promote on this channel, which underscores the strengths and history of astrology as a serious part of our human heritage.

Your ability to interview and hold a space for Demetra George yesterday and Robert Hand today is exceptional! Thank you for your service to the astrological community.

Exceptional use of platform and reach. Thank you for these history lessons. I really hope all this work helps the astrological community of today and tomorrow feel safe and comfortable respecting each other regardless of how we choose to practice. I'm also impressed to have it illustrated to me how little modern history I know. When you described Rob Hand as the greatest astrologer of that time my first impression was "I thought that was Chris Brennan". It's important to give us the opportunity to reflect on our own conceptions of the present.

What a Treasure to be held in archive for the centuries - Rob Hand at 80 still doing it. Thank you, Chris for doing this and doing this marathon. I never felt astrology worked as well as is does in WSH. Everything synced once I started with this system thanks to finding TA podcast in 2012. World Soul - I love this.

These last few videos on this topic are almost humorously Mercury conjunct Pluto in Cap over the last few days. Love it.

@debrademingwalsh7495

Жыл бұрын

I was saying the same thing!!

@kawaiixtc

Жыл бұрын

It's history happening real time, or synchronicity. Can't help but laugh at the universe's humour...

Wow, even if we set aside what's happening with Houlding, just hearing this conversation and the one with Demetra were beautiful and informative and stand on their own. Hearing the history spoken by people who live and breathe this stuff out of passion and inspiration is really nice!

I remember hearing Rob Hand speaking quite excitedly about Project Hindsight at the Brighton UK Conference in 1989. Most people were pleased and I still have the audio tapes I bought then. At later conferences here in Australia I heard more and over the years saw the translations begin to come out rather quickly. I have also studied with Deb Houlding and have never stopped been a practicing astrologer since 1980. There’s room for many approaches in our divinatory art. I was taught using equal house, moved to Placidus etc as mentioned by older astrologers and loved the practice of drawing a chart by hand. So much was revealed through the ancient process. I hope tolerance will prevail. It’s important to honour all the ancient knowledge, plus the newer information. 🙏🙏🙏🐨

Robert, thank you so much for your insight, publications, and dedication to this great work.

Thanks for bringing Robert Hand on for clarity - a real mic drop! I had a reading from him two years ago and he showed me a number of things about my chart that I hadn’t considered in many years of studying. Robert inspired me to push on with astrology as a career - he pointed out the Daimon on my 29’37” Mercury in Pisces, something I never knew how to understand. Eternally grateful for that enriching opportunity 🥰🙏🏻

A big thanks to Chris and Rob for their riveting and most interesting conversation. Bravo! 👌👏👏

Unexpected pleasure/bonus! Getting to see Rob's bookshelf!

Well it's all been worth it just to get a couple of hours with Rob Hand! I am pleased to have entered astrology at a place where I don't feel attached to a particular model and have been able to focus on harvesting all of the best methods and utilising them all.

Omg the Rob Hand speaks

I will listen to Rob Hand until my ears fall off. Your talks with Rob and Demetra are the bright spot in all this kerfuffle.

I am so grateful to have benefitted in a positive way from the unintended consequences of DH's assertions. Thank you for these precious oral histories!

I could not believe this was real at first. Thanks and blessings 🌺

@melissamoore521

Жыл бұрын

Me either! I love the fact that, last night, someone mentioned how serious Chris was about this "stir," to include Demetra... and his humble response, a Sun cycle later, is to have Rob Hand on to testify!

Super big love to Robert Hand. A master to whom I am so grateful to be on this Earth with. ♥️ Deep gratitude here. Chris, thank you so much for bringing these elders on. Let's please honor them while they are still here.

This is an interview for the vaults. I understand this as an effort towards apologetics of sorts, and i’m so grateful for your defense of traditional astrology, but the way you have bought these crates to those of us who are newer to the community is something that we would never have been able to duplicate. Thank you so much Chris! ❤

Holy smoke!!! Rob Hand!!! So pleased to hear him speak again. Have had the pleasure of meeting and studying with him. Thanks Chris for interviewing him💖. A truly iconic astrologer👍🏻🥰

I find Robert Hand to be absolutely fascinating. This was a great discussion. Thank you, both!

Debs has done us all a great favour in releasing this flood of information from all sources!

Robert Hand! And yes... since I got into Vedic astrology I only use the whole sign system.

Thank you Mr Hand for revealing your personal story and pain so as to fill in some gaps in the history of Project Hindsight. I look forward to the Planets in Transit re-write.

Whoa!!! Doesn’t get any bigger or better than this! ‘Bullshit” love Rob Hand! 🙌🏽❤️ Thank you for this Chris! 🐐

@FreemanPresson

Жыл бұрын

Hand may not be right about everything, but when he calls bullshit, believe it.

So unbelievably grateful for you giving a platform to our greats to not only respond but expound on the incredibly important work done at Project Hindsight. I was really curious to see what the Saturn Return of the project would bring, which I think we briefly mentioned when you were a guest on my podcast. Fascinating that this has been a result, but even more so the completion of their work by you & Demetra George in your books. Forever grateful for you, Chris!

Big thanks for this conversation between you (Chris) and Bob Hand. Priceless!

thank you both, for your time and effort in having this conversation, for the community at large xx

Okkkayyyy… it’s all hands on deck, no pun intended. Great conversation ❤️

Rob Hand : the greatest!

Ironically, Robert Hand wrote the foreword to one of Deborah Houlding's books 😂😂😂😂. I remember reading his foreward and then wincing at Deborah's scathing criticism of astrologers, it was so weird to me.

@Alusnovalotus

Жыл бұрын

Deborah Houlding. The Ye of astrology. 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽

@dharmabum1111

Жыл бұрын

I heard Chris mention that Deborah said she had been drinking when she released her lecture. Listening to snippets of it make me feel she had been drinking through it too...(sloppy imho)

@of8ightandse7en16

Жыл бұрын

@@Alusnovalotus deborah had been contributing for our community for so long and it seemed she's sort of out of it now, but don't need to mock her. she must have her reasons.

Greatest respect to Robert Hand for his work, research and long dedication to astrology. Thank you for presenting him.

"Rob Hand speaks" !

One of my favorite Astrologers!!!!

The astrologer who made it all 'click' for me, 24 years ago...on my third copy of 'Planets in Transit,' the first two were worn out! Thank you Robert Hand for your lifelong insight 🌌🙏💜

Much needed clarification and conversations by many scholars in the astrological field. For centuries people have debated and argued their beliefs in the systems they were and are using. In the end, it is whatever works for each individual. Everyone can always agree on the big picture at the same time as forever fight about the details. Using two systems may be the answer. Time will tell. Pluto in ♒️ perhaps will reveal. This has been illuminating. Thank you Chris!

Deborah didn't consider the Indian tradition.

Thank you Chris for your integrity, professionalism, and academic rigor in picking up the gauntlet and for this fantastic interview with Robert Hand. My condolences to Robert for the loss of your brother.

Yay! Rob Hand & Chris Brennan! 😍🫶🙌🏼

How many of us would not be surprised if Chris' passion for the subject, and his Saturnian critical thinking, actually pierced the Veil, and Ptolemy is the next guest to defend astrology's history and evolution?

This has been like an epic movie- this whole saga and following interviews- you both are irreplaceable gems-

What an honor to hear this interview. I have had a few readings with Rob Hand and he was mind-blowing!! I love his knowledge and respect him so much! Thank you for a great interview! You were great!

A Marathon for you Chris and for us, going through so much material. Basically what Deb is saying is that P Hindsight and associated people Bamboozled the Public and made money out of it, thus opening herself to Libel. Your step by step demolition of the charges are commendable and exhaustive. Plus interviews with other members of the community, all revered astrologers debunks her theory completely. I am a Vedic and Modern astrologer. In the Indian system whole sign houses are used extensively and they give amazing results. For us there is not much of Psychology which is required. People want to know when a certain event will happen and we predict 80% correctly which is quite good. In the end I feel sorry for Deb Houlding. She has riled a Scorpio and that can be Dangerous thing to do 😅

This is incredible Chris!!! Thank you so much.

Love this conversation! Thank you for sharing and preserving history.

What a great conversation. Thank you

I listened to the whole series of your commentary on the “lecture” and then interview of Demetra George and Robert Hand, and having listened to your previous interviews with Demetra George, I want to thank you for putting out these records, and thank goodness that you were involved with Project Hindsight way back when.

What a treat:)) Thanks to Deb Houlding 's claims, we are lucky to hear the great Rob Hand. Many thanks:)

Well well well. The stakes just got higher.

So nice to see Mr. Hand again. Learning, and took notes on pithy comments from Mr. Hand. I agree with his last comment about there not being inherently malefic planets; we make the projections.

I treasure my copy of Horoscope Symbols. Hand’s “deviant astrology” brand of questioning houses, whether or not Venus should rule Taurus, etc., make me smile and have hugely influenced the way I study & practice.

What a great contribution to the current conversation about the work of Project Hindsight and Whole Sign astrology. This is worth listening to just for the nuggets of wisdom that is dropped by Rob Hand.

Learned a lot of interesting details, thank you for this interview with the only Robert left now

Love opening youtube and seeing this 😍 it’s SO IMPORTANT for astrology and for the community 💎 thanks again Chris and thank you Robert Hand 🙏✨ amazing work clarifying and erasing the extremely irresponsible actions/words/claims of one known astrologer…

I enjoy Robert’s sense of humor. He’s delightful. I’m so glad you’re doing this deep dive into these topics Chris, I’m learning tons 💖☀️💐

I couldn't agree more with Robert Hand's thoughts on the tropical vs sidereal subject. I use both and I say all the time that it is a shame that we use the same names for the divisions - the "signs" - of the two different systems. The tropical zodiac is seasonal, while sidereal zodiac is constellational, and those are not the same things, but they are both real things, and they are doing things. Mr. Hand's talk on the subject that he mentions is excellent. If he sends it to you, Chris, as he mentioned doing a the end of the video, absorb it, as it is very good information indeed.

Chris you're amazing; a master in your own right but you shine the light on and draw the magic out of others with such brilliance I don't know if you are a better astrologer or interviewer. Thank you so much xx

I'm beginning to think there's a little bit of covert racism/xenophobia in her rejection of everything that's not English, such as ancient and modern astrological traditions written in Greek, Egyptian, Sanskrit, Arabic, etc. I hope I'm wrong.

@carolynw45

Жыл бұрын

Oh no now we have the racist card 🙄

@geocosmicvalentine

Жыл бұрын

@@carolynw45 It’s not a card! And it was a major part of her missive! It might be something you don’t want to deal with or talk about or think about today (or ever), but don’t dismiss it so tritely! It was incredibly racist of her to completely dismiss India’s, China’s and Africa’s (Arabia) contributions as not mattering enough for her to acknowledge their contributions to astrology which is MASSIVE!! Long story short, she exhibited a tremendous amount of ignorance laden with ego while labeling every astrologer who doesn’t think or practice the way she requires as “lazy” or “stupid”. So, actually, she mostly came across as an equal opportunity hater, with an equal portion of racism.

@tzerpa9446

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcaneandStellar That's why I'm saying that it looks racist/xenophobic, because she knows that those traditions exist and precede any known British astrological tradition, but still she denied their value. Otherwise It would be ignorance.

@ArcaneandStellar

Жыл бұрын

@Geocosmic Valentine @tzerpa I'm deleting my comments because I just realized that we are talking about Houlding and not Demetra. I apologize! I don't want anyone to get confused. I don't know how I missed that. 😂 but I'm thoroughly embarrassed by the fact that I didn't even read the title clearly. I assumed that it was a response to Demetra's video right away and didn't even think twice. So I'm sitting here talking about Demetra. As for Deborah, you all could definitely be correct. Okay now it makes more sense why I also had the notification about whole signs from the creator of Sirius as well. They're all responding to Deborah. Wow. Again, sorry for my stupidity. 💜

@leahrives6746

Жыл бұрын

@@geocosmicvalentine She said she released the video because she was “drunk”, so you may be onto something. I dismissed her FB post as rambling with poor grammar, so I have been surprised to find she had so much previous scholarship.

Thank you for doing this, Chris 💛

Chris Brennan, the modern world’s most efficient academic astrologer is most thoroughly pissed off, eh? Hope to do “pissed off” this well in my next lifetime, maybe 🤭 I’m mesmerized. Consider me fully converted.

Chris, thank you for this gem of a discussion and peek into the thought process of a brilliant mind + researcher. Very informative and some profound insight & truth at the end of podcast from Robert about Divinity & Astrology. I hope you have him back on to delve further into his Sage insights & erudite wisdom he gingerly touched upon. I wanted to hear more. 😊 🙏🏽💜🧚🏾‍♀️

super interresting ! from the biginning to the end ! thank you so much :-)

Wonderful interview, thank you!

I love all this info! Great back and forth! 💝🥳🙏🙌😇

Thank you so much for this!

what a difference between Rob's conversational style and Demetra & Chris' sharing in a precise, historical and teaching mode...anyone on a metaphysical path at the time loved the original name ARHAT which became Project Hindsight...Rob bobs on the shifting ocean of consciousness no matter what he's talking about...his breadth, jovial personality and ecumenical awareness of consciousness put his voice on loud speaker...a voice that's asking questions rather than delivering fixed answers...

THANK YOU BOTH!

Respect for the Elders. 💚🙏🏼✨ Felt the passion of his Scorpio Moon coming through.

Hi Chris, To answer some of your questions on the chronology of Hindsight: It was the Traditions email list in 1996 where Deborah and Robert were fighting, much on this same subject, and the list ended. It was later that yr, autumn of 1996, that Schmidt and Hand had their separation. Kudos and keep up the good work!

I’m in my second year of studying astrology but had no intention to go deep into history until this date. I guess I should thank Deborah Houlding…as I have just realized, by listening to such great Historian Astrologers, how essential is the knowledge of astrology for overall understanding and building on expertise. I’m a forever fan of Chris Brennan😊

What an awesome video!!!

Would be good to hear from Benjamin Dykes as well.

@TheAstrologyPodcast

Жыл бұрын

Ben has written pretty extensively about the early medieval attempts to reconcile whole sign and quadrant houses in the introductions to several of his translations, and we talked about that issue a couple of times when I interviewed him about his translations of Sahl and Abu Ma'shar: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHWDlcyEe6ncc7A.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4lttqhwqsi3hdI.html

Rob Hand yasss I was wondering when this was going to happen.

I also looked up the chart for the 04/16/1992 the first day of the UAC conference and it's really fascinating. I think the most striking this for me was Jupiter retrograde in Virgo, it fits 😅

The legend has spoken

Legend🙏❤️🙏 thank you for restoring my faith in astrology and the marvellous wsh system, so elegant and beautiful.

brilliant and wonderful to hear the view of one of the great persons of astrology

With respect to your video I would like to add that the 30 degree division is to calculate the sun transit and the sun and moon conjunction 12 times during the total orbit .Hence a 12 sign division. But the actual division is of at times more and less than 30 degrees. Off course in this the constellations that are the real layer behind the signs reveal and show that the division is more of an easy portioning of the zodiac. In India in Krishnamurti we follow the Placidus system. And this gives a great results .Also the Vedic system brings the divisional charts that dissect each house and magnify it, Thanks for the video

Hi like many here I am loving the things I am learning but am kind of shocked by all the vitrol and attacks that seem to border on the personal. I am so happy to view this interview though so thanks to Chris and Rob for a great frank discussion. I love you guys, thanks so much. I am wondering though, what is the article Chris is referencing Rob wrote in 2007 if anyone knows? Thanks much

Thanks!

Well Hello Rob Hand! 😀

The best astrologer I've ever seen. Any way to reach him? I have a business idea and he can help me to actualize it and make astrology open to more people.

so interesting hearing about history of Astrology in contemporary times and references to ancient sources, holding sounds so unimportant in comparison

incredible

Robert - I met you many years ago in Bristol UK - I have just been checking your Planets in Transit book for the movement of Pluto into Aquarius. I am your age! Taurean with Pluto two degrees in Leo - sq .Venus/Sun I had to smile when you write that a Pluto opposition cannot be possible as it would be beyond normal life expectancy - Hi there we are still - I'm off my head for the past hour or two processing goodness knows what in my subconscious! hope you are managing to do the same!!!!

So, you guys were like the Beatles with your own Yoko? Awesome. Finished this and the George interviews; fantastic. I don’t plan to finish the direct Houlding response though. I did eventually figure out that I most likely came across “accidental” houses from a series of Schmidt experimentations by another astrologer. I do recall the equal house topic coming up within that which is what Chris said. I’m actually quite interested in the future book Hand is hopefully publishing soon, it’s the area I’m most into in terms of astrology. Just as with diversity, I’d hope there’s more diversity in terms of viewpoints/philosophy that can expand the audience or add different views to the conversations. Example: I could site The Emperor’s New Mind as a similar lateral move for those opposed to a Neoplatonic viewpoint. I actually think there’s a video series on KZread from maybe the 90’s, could be from the BBC which has Penrose explaining the theory. Yes, just find the 🏆, I can’t recall if it’s a 2 part series. I’ll say I’d like to remove Jung, but I’m pulling hyperbole. Jung did contribute a psychology of fate that connects both determinism/fatalism and psychological views. A placement can symbolize an experience as well as an adaptation to said experience(s). Also in tune, I’ve known people who have over identified with benefic placements with malefic results who also sort of dissociate or are in denial of other placements which is a danger of astrology, but it’s likely if it wasn’t identification with that, it’d be something else; it’s also extremely difficult NOT to do that. A more humorous story, I was wondering what philosophies I’d include and I knew I wanted to flesh out some houses better. Like, the 12th comes off as symptomatic more than actual significations sometimes. It started to click that wanting to apply Arthur Schopenhauer to the topics is likely very closely associated with this since that chart and his philosophy is very “cadent”. If I recall, there’s a Venus 10th which is his liking of aesthetics. (Looking). I did remember the spirit/ruler opposition in 6/12th house, there’s actually a similar, yet, reversed exaltation lot. One thing I didn’t expect to actually find and found in an unexpected way in traditional astrology was the lot of exaltation and ruler. If I did break a barrier and got into astrology, there’d likely be a strong cadent tone to it as opposed to a type that Hand mentioned that could be more of an angular astrology. But with “identification”, it’s possible that’s why I’m about to experiment with signs replaced by formulas. To me, something like the very real stereotype of libra’s having trouble making decisions makes so much more sense if you factor in Saturn is exalted in libra. Instead of viewing it as this Venusian passiveness, it may be more of how it’s described by people with strong libra placements that they’re thinking more on the consequence of the decision along with not exactly caring too much about the decision itself. Other patterns, like noticing that I, myself, have sun in Leo. It’s exalted in aries (no planets), but its exaltation ruler is in libra which is a sign based sextile. I kind of get a feeling that matters in terms of an overall interpretation as opposed to just mars in libra with SB’ed sextile since libra is the suns fall. Moon in Aquarius, I actually KNOW that’s not always very fun. The only thing about Schopenhauer that I worry about is it could be easy for someone to take some of it too far where they get all quantum thinking they’re Neo in The Matrix. We’ve already been down that road for a while though. 🧚‍♀️ I do know, what caught my attention about one Valens technique is how well it aligns with Saturn return timing, I think it’s in the length of life technique. One view on quadrants in terms of more of a psychological view is what I call “spacial awareness”, it more about how we go through life and gain experience and also develop. We obviously become more aware of aversion houses, but it’s not that strong or it’s strong in others sometimes. Length of life as duration of life, yes. But I do wonder if there’s a potential shift in strength/dynamics by how we as humans develop into adults slowly and become more “set” at around 30 years old. A rough 27-30 degree angular shift and some house overlap in terms of awareness is possible even though the WSH system remains the natives base chart in terms of prediction. I DO somewhat wonder if the totality of the rulership schemes also help quadrant houses work, it just may lot be the MAIN ruler that’s being noticed. Awesome episode, Demetra was great (as always). I hope Hand can make it on more episodes sometime to discuss more on Neoplatonic philosophy. PS: one thing in astrology I was looking for that ended up part of this controversy was said technique. I just didn’t need to use the entire Valens technique to know what it was. Anyone who knows me knows about that mars and Jupiter aspect where it’s extremely weird.

I’m digging the idea of deviant astrology..

I think a fundamental issue in the dispute with Deborah Houlding is being overlooked: from the point of view of astronomy, the WSH are extremely different from a Quadrant House System. Calling both of them "house systems" gives an erroneous implication that they are more similar to each other than they really are, and are almost as different as zodiac signs and houses. Ancient astrologers from Valens to Morinus used both house systems and that makes sense because they are very different from each other. When Deborah Houlding says that the ancients did not advocate a Whole Sign House system, she is heavily influenced by the sense of what a house system is from the point of view of the ideas she was influenced by from 15th and 16th century astrologers. We have a huge semantic problem that has resulted in a huge amount of misunderstanding and unnecessary polarization between two camps of astrologers.

@TheAstrologyPodcast

Жыл бұрын

They are both just systems of dividing local space into twelve sectors and then assigning areas of life to them. That's it. Attempts to claim that one isn't a "real" house system because it doesn't conform to the same rules of dividing the local space in the exact same ways are just weak and unsubtle attempts to claim the supremacy of one system over another.

@CosmicCybernetics

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAstrologyPodcast, yes, WSH, QH and Equal houses need to be affirmed as reasonable ways to divide the local sky. Thank you for bringing out this very important point. I do not think there is a bias-free way to use language in this context. Calling WSH, QH and Equal Houses all "house systems" implies that they are direct alternatives to each other, and they have striking differences that get overlooked. Calling one a house system and another not a house system has the problem that you describe: elevating one over the other because "house system" has acquired a high status in the astrological lexicon. I advocate calling all of these "house systems" but recognize that they are not directly comparable. WSH, QH and Equal Houses are 3 different animals. One possible definition of a house system is: "any division of the ecliptic plane in relationship to the diurnal motion of celestial objects." This definition excludes measurement along the celestial horizon (azimuth and altitude), Michael Erlewine's Local Space Houses, and along the prime vertical (mundoscope) as house systems. Another definition is "any division of the local sky". Using this definition the mundoscope, local space houses and azimuth-altitude coordinates are house systems even though we do not usually call azimuth-altitude and the mundoscope house systems. I am not sure which definition is best or if we even need a precise definition of "house system". I will go with the majority opinion on this.

Ooo nice a reponse 🤔

I hope Rob leaves all of his books and materials to Chris! Chris is the best serious Scorpio to carry on the academic tradition! This reminds me of Luke Skywalker going to Yoda….🙏

Rob Hand is a treasure!

Hand is a true genius!

Ty

I have a question for Robe Hand on the method he used to check if the approximate birthtime of the woman born in Nicaragua was right: Is this a method he uses always, because the 9th houes is supposed to be the highest placement of the Sun during the day and it is related to the 4th? The 4th is also related to the ASC plus being related to the MC. I understood that this gave him the clue in this case when analizing the factors he mentions. So does this work always as an approximation? I find this approach very interesting when you don't have more clues. As an instance, I know when my father was born, the day and placement but not the exact time and this can be complicated to find it out: he was born in 1920 (would be 103 if he was alive). This method could allow me to move the chart until I find a correlation bt 9th, 4th and ASC as described? I still don't know how to rectificate a birthchart, thoug I have many facts about my dad's life, og course.

I will say this again, arguing about houses is pointless. It doesn't matter if something is ancient, or new. If it gives you accurate results, and helps you better uncover your chart, and gives you good predictive insight, then house preference is irrelevant. WSH is my favorite and I still go back to placidus sometimes for little extra tidbits. As I learn WSH better, I am needing placidus less and less. It's all about personal preference.