What a fabulous discussion and such honor to listen to these two great legends. Thank you.

TWO GREAT MEN.

The Vatican has the largest astrological library in the world. I know a woman who's brother was working in there, not as an astrologer but he talked about all these ancient breathtakingly beautiful books in there. Be a good place to get locked in overnight except you would have to be able to understand and read many languages.

@mochapella

4 жыл бұрын

good enough for me

@mainerockflour3462

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe one day, the Vatican will open its libraries and catacombs for universal access.

@opheliaschiefferdecker2118

3 жыл бұрын

@@mainerockflour3462 they'd rather burn down the library....then letting the public know the truth ;-)

@based9930

3 жыл бұрын

They never did obey their bible.

@kyleerhard9284

9 ай бұрын

​@@mainerockflour3462 I think Hell will freeze over before they open the Vatican library 😂

Various systems and techniques work because astrology is alive, the way the Universe and WE are alive. It's not "just" a set of rules to follow and symbols trying to tell us something. I used to think of astrology as a tool I used. Now I feel it is the other way around. Or perhaps astrology is working through me. Or all of these. Reciprocal in some way. We are a part of, not apart from, what we observe and the lens through which we live.

RESPECT. You two are the real MVPs

I have always found that the knowledge of one's astro personality can assist one not only to understand themselves in their actions and reactions but also assist others to know and understand the same. It can be useful in many realms in personal affairs as well as business. Everyone can have help in both areas. To know and understand yourself and others is a blessing in disguise. Never underestimate the power of that knowledge.It is far from boring and it is what the world could use more of, especially in this day and time.

Brilliant discussion....I could listen to Robert Hand laugh all day!!🤣🤭♥️

WHAT A WONDERFUL INTERVIEW ! maybe the best astrology interview i have ever heard.

Two grandmaster's enjoying a wonderful conversation 🔥👍🎉🙏

"The only things I read are in Latin. It's my fave, what the hell." - Rob Hand

@theforestero

7 жыл бұрын

Hmm..Yes...

@bookofblue

3 жыл бұрын

he is always funny even when he does not mean to be

I look up to and respect these two men so much and love reading their work.

Great interview...

"it feels stuck"... "as if we needed to be more stuck" 57:24 - imho that is the majority of astrology videos on youtube. takes truly great astrologers (and/or humans) to understand the role of astrology within the unlimited field that lies beyond it. and that is exactly what i find valuable in astrology: it can help you understand your character, the place where you tend to get *stuck* and perhaps then free yourself through insight. everything that has been created can change. i too am stuck every time i cannot see it, or hold on to it for fear of what might happen when i let it go.

It's a true pleasure, to listen in on this discussion.

The idea of (a true) diversity (of astrologies) reminds me of Jodorowsky's comment about The Tower card in his "Way of Tarot" book. He notes how in the bible the Tower of Babel, its destruction and the proliferation of languages is more a blessing than a catastrophe to mankind.

Thank you for this enlightening talk!

What a treat to watch. Thank you.

"Working for enlightenment is a waste of time. What you have to do is get the garbage out of the way, and enlightenment will follow." -Robert Hand Absofuckinglutely true. This is how logic works. It is a filter for everything that is untrue and irrelevant... Work on that, and then you find that all things that are true are also always relevant.

So eye opening. Thank you. We need to stop being afraid to fail, to be different, as long as we have will, reason, faith and the ability to understand we can be wrong as long as there is a good purpose. I see is a lot in my spiritual practice, where there may be negative visions but we immediately try to look for ways of changing those negative possibilities. I can see the relationship a bit better between different forms of divination now, and eases my mind a bit from trying to pursue the elusive truth, which there are many. Thank you so much!

This is a delightful talk!

These two and Jeff, who got me started so very long ago. 💙🧡💜💙🧡💜

@maxfrank13

4 жыл бұрын

Who is Jeff?

Two wise sages...

Thank you

I totally agree with both great astrologers about different kinds of astrology. Any kinds have their own correctness, no need to discredit any kinds.

Excellent.

Different groups and information and astrological ideas grow our knowledge, applications, and improve our readings.

cool you got robert in an interview. wow

Gold.

It is relative to the observer. As an electronic tech a long time ago, I learned of a phenomenon called the Miller effect across a capacitance from the input to output of the amplifier. The capacitance had the effect of electrically appearing larger amount of capacitance as compared from the other side because of the gain of the amplifier. This is physics. It is relative to your position of observation; neither is wrong. I think maybe similar to both of your two different approaches with astrology. I have learned from both of your works.

Hi there! After long years of deep searching I finally stick to the conclusion that our best astral chart is the one of our conception date, around 9 months before our birth... best regards to all, Andrea.

I would love to hear the talk in the yar 2020!

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Retro jupiter in cancer first haus 🥺❤️❤️❤️

Interesting...I started into Astrology in 1979 with all Robert Hand's books...I don't know Steven Forrest at all yet...

@mmariouch

4 жыл бұрын

wow so long time

Where do the character traits attributed to astrological signs/houses/planets come from? Any good study source recommendations? Thankya kindly :)

@mscorrell

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe Sumerian?

Rick Levine is not here. Who knows what's in the Oort Cloud?

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Placidus Orbs match between two people 10 out of 12 what does that mean?

I think at 45 minutes into it, is the most interest I had in the two speaking when S. Forrest espouses his philosophical views on deterministic astrology. That to me, says it all. Didn't need to hear the rest

@based9930

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad they aren't supported by anything other than his own desires.

Plenty of Vedics on You Tube.

est-il possible d'avoir les sous-titres ? merci

@AstrologyUniversity

Ай бұрын

Essayez-le maintenant. Merci.

To me, it's never 'either or' but BOTH are true. Vedanta and Western. It's only up to us individually to understand why.

@based9930

3 жыл бұрын

Both can't be true. They give contradictory delineations of the same configuration. Imagine having two maps that tell you where New York City is, and each one takes you to a different place, then claiming they are both correct. No. There is one right answer.

cookies 🍪 the Twins 👯‍♀️

It seems to me as though Vedic astrology is more accurate for you going forward, and Western astrology is more accurate for you and your past self. I could be wrong, but that's what I see.

What is Rob Hand talking about ''same results''? A good book is Under One Sky, where 12 Astrologers, including the two here, looked at a chart. 12 at times very different people were described. Outcome is, most Astrologers are talking nonsense, even all of them, since their ideas lead to profoundly different perceptions of reality.

@based9930

3 жыл бұрын

Those were all modern astrologers, of course they were wrong. They aren't doing real astrology.

You made a broad spectrum determination regarding Hindu astrology based on one reading? Astrology, first and foremost, is about science and mathematics. The interpretation is secondary.

Chris Brennan, despite the meek exterior, is a Scorpio, and like many Scorpios seeks to dominate. But he is very boring. 😂😂😂 So it won't work. How he gets the views I don't know but it mainly relies upon the people who go on his podcast, not him!

@based9930

3 жыл бұрын

He gets views for 1 producing a ton of content that no one else is talking about, and 2 is sucking up to literally everyone out there in an attempt to be inclusive of every astrological mutant with a corrupted, post modern view of astrology.

Olavo de Carvalho brought me here.

So Astrologers can’t even come to grips with the Times? You should probably just live your life.

@nik8099

3 жыл бұрын

Well these can't I guess lol. There are better astrologers than these two imo. Anne Ortelee is very good.

Doesn't matter because it's all fiction anyways - so do what you want to do.

@nik8099

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm, how do you know it's all fiction?

I never realized Steven Forest was such a dinosaur: old fashioned, afraid and extremely self-conscious. His books are very useful but he is so in love with hearing himself speak, so self-referencing and so judging of others’ astrological choices and styles. His mercury must be Quincunx my mercury, haha. Robert Hand is where it’s at. Talk about enlightened objectivity.

Two old men trying to be relevant and make a living.

@JSBallard

4 жыл бұрын

Rodger Hodgson excuse me?

@JSBallard

4 жыл бұрын

Rodger Hodgson being that I made that comment 9 months ago, I imagine I was commenting on how they are navigating the changing astrological business environment, but not sure

Narcisstic Bragger with only theories. Vintage and outdated from the past. Moral crusader.

@jomontanee

5 жыл бұрын

So how good you are? Any astrological complishments in your life?

@anguineus_vir

4 жыл бұрын

Criticisms without arguments, I read enough of you

@based9930

3 жыл бұрын

@@jomontanee That isn't relevant. Why do clowns like you always think you can excuse behavior and being factually incorrect by ad homs about the person pointing out their flaws?

I'm amazed that Robert Hand, who I consider to be one of the best astrologers in the world, still seems blind to the obvious problem with the Jyotish sidereal zodiac. Not only is it based on a mistake (fixing the zodiac to the constellations rather than the solstices and equinoxes) but it just doesn't work. Of course you can still get an accurate reading from a Jyotish astrologer, but that doesn't mean that Jyotish is working. It just means that you've got a very intuitive astrologer. I have friends who can give an accurate reading without any astrology at all. All you have to do is give them a name. And in fact, you don't even have to do that! You can just ask, "Tell me about this person I am interested in" and they can take it from there. So we have to separate the intuition factor from the question of whether an astrology technique works or not. Otherwise we will always have muddy waters around what truly works, standing on its own, and what requires intuition to "work." IMHO. Thanks for the video!

@summerofplums

8 жыл бұрын

To be fair to Hand, he did say that having two Zodiacs which "seem" to work is a logistical problem for all of astrology, but you are right, he and Forrest then went on in Politically Correct mode as if this lack of logic didn't matter.

@ellisgarvin

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, maybe it is political correctness, professional courtesy, "politeness," not wanting to criticize fellow astrologers (who get unfairly criticized a lot already), or something along those lines.

@LNYuiko

7 жыл бұрын

I think he realizes this, and I remember reading a article written by him arguing that for the validity of Tropical over the Sidereal Zodiac. I think out of courtesy for siderealists, though, he chooses not to mention it too much.

@roseelima

7 жыл бұрын

Ellis Garvin I disagree with you in the sense that traditional Jyotish using the Sidereal Zodiac doesn't work. The most accurate reading I ever got when I was only 15 came from a Vedic Astrologer. Based on the planetary cycles (Dashas) something that doesn't exist in Western Astrology, that man predicted with high accuracy my profession, my marriage, physical and psychological features of my husband, birth of my daughter, divorce and a second marriage. I got so blown away by watching all that happening that I started to step in the Vedic system after 12 years immersed in Western. It's been 21 yrs since I started to study Astrology (I'm 41 now).

@roseelima

7 жыл бұрын

Ellis Garvin Now considering the Jyotish mistake you mentioned: if we're going to criticize the Sidereal Zodiac by using fixed stars as reference, we can throw similar criticism on the Tropical Zodiac since it doesn't represent the constellations irregularly (the way they physically are in the skies). This lack of physical correspondence is one of the reasons why Astronomers trash Western Astrology as well. More recently some astrologers have tried to use what they call "Constellational Zodiac" which is more aligned to the real physical features of the constellations but also not free of questioning.

cool you got robert in an interview. wow