Thanks for having this discussion.

This was so informative. I learned a lot. Thank you.

After going through this comment section, I'm going to have to paraphrase something that a KZreadr named Cheapsunglasses said regarding the Lost Cause: History buffs look for facts. Lost Causers look for excuses, and when they can't find one, they'll make one up.

@charliewakefield3312

Жыл бұрын

The South is gonna rise again!

@Ben00000

Жыл бұрын

@@charliewakefield3312 Wow, so kind of you to provide a perfect example directly under their comment!

I grew up in Chicago. In the 50's we rode our bicycles anywhere we cared to go. Our parents often didn't know where we were all day, and we had no fear anywhere. Later I went to college in Iowa and lived there and in Minnesota. Thinking back, there was a kind of de facto segregation, but not de jure and it wasn't enforced by anyone. We never really thought about it. My first direct exposure to racism was as a new Marine at Quantico, Virginia, in 1972. The black officer candidates among us did just fine and again we seemed to accept each other well. Townspeople, on the other hand, were still getting used to it.

@revanofkorriban1505

2 жыл бұрын

@RonPaulHatesBlacks I've started reading that one. It's really eye-opening on how the black ghettos of the inner cities were created and segregated.

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

What would this have to do with General Lee ?

@michaelwoods4495

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeadeVlogchannel A fair question. The spoken video alluded to General Lee's racism; that was the issue I meant to address, intending to show how things have changed.

@FuzzyKittenBoots

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, somehow I don't believe a group of black children could have gone on their bikes into any neighborhood they wanted back in the 50's without an issue.

Name one of them PatTillman. And another Henry Johnson and another Sadao Munemori to name a few.

What about no-3?

Wonderful to find you, General. Since 1960 I've read all I could get about the American Civil War. With 21 years serving in supporting the US Marines, as a logistician, I am able to appreciate history. I did once have an appointment to West Point, but chose Yale as a prospective football player. I could not have hoped to make the Army team. I was Carm Cozza's first tailback and played with the great teams in 67 and 68. As a JV we played the Army JV's on the same field on the Plain where Army played before Michie Stadium became the Black Knights' official venue. I am a CAPT, Ret., USNR.

LET'S GO SHERMAN Secessionists must be returned to their homelands

I don't understand the average southerner-yeoman farmer, ordinary non-slaveholder- at that time would fight for rich plantation owners' preserving slavery. Unless they aspired to be slave holders themselves.

@AllyMonsters

2 жыл бұрын

Well looking at the letters and journals of common soldiers, they believed that a racial insurrection would happen if all the slaves were freed. In simple terms.

@susanr1903

2 жыл бұрын

No I don't think so .I think they just did not government tell what to or tax them ...but themsselve you or farmer work I don't think they care about slaver maybe afraid of change ...but you do understand lee did not want slaves his wife family did ..he was ask by Lincoln to head up union ..he said he had to stick for his state ...and he did as so as possible he let the one he had go .....why don't people leave it alone ..the north defect. And a lot people died ....he was a good general that it leave it ..just like grant ...there old video of old soldier get together but you can't totol rewrite history the way you want ..just like Andrew Jackson ..he had slave but the lady slave took over plantion when he was president ..so ..there are story on both sides ....the truth is in journal ,letter .. kept as history that it ...grant might have drank who cares ....

@grindle1857

2 жыл бұрын

@@susanr1903 I'm figuring, English is not your 1st language

@susanr1903

2 жыл бұрын

@@grindle1857 whatever

@dr.a.995

2 жыл бұрын

And under the Trump influence: “I will get that Muck-Lago invitation and I will be in a country club some day.”

I’m sorry, AP Hill did what???? He totally wasn’t killed in Petersburg or anything… come on man..

@tristaneuritt9556

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is a joke, I'm not a robert e lee apologist, but they went from the lost cause extreme to the other woke extreme version of history we see now. This recent phenomenon to focus on confederates as traitors, I find quite funny. Because if you apply that same standard of history I would hope the people advocating that would also call out Washington as a traitor and be advocating the US should return to British rule and we should destroy the constitution. Which I think that's where we are headed, eventually these same "useful idiots" will say the constitution was written by racists and that's got to go. I think the US is a pretty solid bulwark to a lot of messed up things in this world and sadly it appears it will be destroyed from within by a non stop focus on racism. And quite frankly I think that's by design at this point. Does the US have a messed up past yeah, but it's got a lot of good too. And our simplistic view of history with our modern eyes and our desire to erase history is a dangerous thing. By the very definition of the word traitor the dude speaking on the right actually fits the definition, he went from one extreme to the other extreme. His narrow minded simplistic focus on a complex topic is disingenuous at best and at worst has the potential to be the embers of a fire that destroys this country completely. The man who chose to side with his state when it decided to leave the union is not a traitor. Can Lee be criticized for his actions and slavery, yeah. But I won't call him a traitor for his actions, especially at a time when people considered their state their first loyalty and in a country that was assembled from a collection of colonies that AGREED to come together to form a nation.

Lee initially did not accept the secession as legal. He called it a "revolution"

I'm sure I have neither the degrees, nor DD214 to match credibility with folks here. But this seems rather simple, and incredibly damning to me. A nations military reflects the deepest values of the country. Our military reflects exceedingly well on the talents that let an exalted few find success through the unchecked brutalization of others as they saw fit. Therefore...well. I don't think I need to finish that.

Lincoln's "towards a more perfect union" is such a reasonable and humane key principle and request and yet demands that we courageously challenge the pernicious and divisive legacy and lies of the the Lost Cause and the White Supremacist Ideologies that survive to this day long after the end of the American Civil War and the Civil Rights era. And yet, while the work is still at hand, I was so moved that that you had the courage to go back to address your fellow graduates at Washington and Lee and call Lee a traitor. I'm proud of you for that and of Washington and Lee in wanting to address and re-appraise the past as a part of moving forward. That this was so is worthy of you both. Thank you for this story ! And to you and your moderator and fellow West Pointer for this marvellous Podcast.

MGHA- Make Georgia Howl Again.

@jimpalmer2981

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in.

@robertwillett9204

2 жыл бұрын

It already is.

@JCaylor2099

2 жыл бұрын

Say when? We are ready for y'all

@tyrantsmisery

2 жыл бұрын

@@JCaylor2099 no you aren't.

A passionate defence of the facts from whichever side wherever this leads for the sake of our Common humanity and our diversity truly gives me hope. Thank you, sir, for calling out the lies of the so called "Lost Cause" starting with Lee as a cruel enslaver and traitor. Thank you for making the point missed by so many that most Confederate "Civil War" monuments are Jim Crow monuments. Thank you for such a clear sighted, zealous and candid attack on the Myth of Lee and the Crimes of the South.

With everything laid out in this video, how can anyone say we don't deserve reparations?

@robertwillett9204

2 жыл бұрын

Blah. Reparations are a separate issue. They are likely warranted, but Lee has little to do with that.

@journeyman378

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwillett9204 what were the issues Lai out in the video? My comment was not just about Lee.

@moonrider19681

2 жыл бұрын

Repairations should be in my opion no tax bill for blacks for 400 years, free post education for American blacks for 400 years. Low interest business loans and low interest Housing loans for 400 years for American blacks not minorities but American blacks descendent of slavery. And finally, A official apology to American blacks for slavery.

@journeyman378

2 жыл бұрын

@@moonrider19681 we have experts working on that already.

@nickmacdonald9535

2 жыл бұрын

Reparrations. From whom? From the West Africans who sold their fellow mem and women to the Europeans? From this generation who have never been involved in the Slave Trade? And reparations TO whom? People who have never been enslaved but have probably benefited from the Slave Trade? And from whom should my fellow countrymen, British, claom reparations? From the Romans who enslaved my people? From the Scandinavians, the descendants of Vikings whobdid the same? Or from the North African states who are descended from the Barbary Pirates who raided South West England to seize slaves?

Great video! The traitors should never have had their citizenship returned. I love that Lee's home is the national memorial for the soldiers of the nation he attempted to tear apart.

@robertwillett9204

3 жыл бұрын

not traitors.

@paulramon7860

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwillett9204 why not traitors, the meet the definition of traitor

@robertwillett9204

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulramon7860 not.

@daveg4963

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwillett9204 definitely traitors to the Union. Most def.

@bulletbar1

2 жыл бұрын

Bless your heart,GOD BLESS ROBERT E LEE AND DIXIE!!

I have so much to say but I know I have to keep it simple. I have been upset about the whole effect of the Lost cause and our society in America. I have more to say on this topic but the real thing that caused me to comment was realizing that what you are saying about going to Grant's tomb it's profound. I know a gentleman who is related to Grant. His last name is Grant. Now he lives in the south is married to a southern woman. When he first came to the south on business he was fearful southerner reaction to his name. I thought time I guess he was accepted in the South. He and his wife have a son. We talked about the Lost cauze together and he just accepts it as just what Americans believed to be true. When you started talking about Grant's grave and vs. Lee's grave and I almost started crying. You know the watered down explanation that I hear for waving around the flag people call the Confederate flag is 'heritage not hate' and 'remembering our poor confederate soldiers'. As a result of this 'lost cause mythos' there's almost a neutral ambivalence toward the union and the soldiers who fought, won and died to preserve it. Why why should a relative of Grant walk with his head hung low in our country when Grant's honor, heritage and fortitude preserved the Union. It is because of Grant that his great, great, great grand child could marry a Southern woman in the south without entering another country. It is a profound thought to think of Grants legacy being so down played in the name of promoting a reunion of northern and southern brothers to heal a nation we have distorted it's history and very cause! Thank you!

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

Grant was an evil drunk. God bless General Lee.

@honeybeechanger

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeadeVlogchannel I see that you are very emotionally invested in your beliefs about the Civil War. Both the US and the USC created their own mythology around the war. The mythology that won over time was the one that promoted unity. Those who believe that that the US was fighting to free the slaves because the North was some how not White Supremacists while South was are wrong. Lincon enter the war 1. Because Ft. Sumter was fired upon and other federal institutions were over run in the seceding states. The North fighting to maintain the Union. By the end of the war emaciation was a necessity. Lincoln was was not an abolitionist. He was pragmatist. He slavery was immoral but his main goal was to stop secession. Through the reconcilation process Lee and the surviving Confederate leaders were not hunted down and imprisoned for treason and other related reasons. There was an effort after the war to let sleeping dogs lie and lie they did. Due the nature of the war ending up in a 'total war' tactic that the desperate South initiated out of necessity, by the end of the war, there was a guilty conscience even by Gen. Sherman himself. Sherman did what he was capable of in the 1860s what Truman did to Japan in the 1940s to finally bring the war to an end but he did it to a part of the country which had to be reincorporated into the USA. This country most certainly would have gone through the reconstruction and reconcilation very differently had Lincoln not been shot, most certainly because well Johnson and Lincoln were 2 different people but also because they were political rivals. Johnson was against secession but he was pro-slavery. Lincoln might have been a white supremacists but he knew the institution of slavery was immortal. Johnson was actually pro-slavery. What ended up happening is that even though the slaves were freed, White Supremacy was allowed to prevail until 1965 because most whites both and south saw themselves as superior to Africans. Who knows if Lincoln would have gone soft on reconstruction like Johnson did. Regardless, the surviving soldiers and their families had different guilty minds. So, the Northern soldiers had their stories and the southern soldiers had theirs. The stories that the reunified nation stuck were the ones that promoted just that effort of reunification. I was raised in Texas. I was taught the Lost Cause in school were Grant was a pitiful drunk and Robert E Lee might as well have walked on water. I just have to say that all one has to do to get past that mythology of the North is to read about Reconstruction went and fell apart and then follow the history of the UDC/USC. When you get knee deep and realize that the G.A.R. was veterans association invested in taking care of Union veteran soldiers more than pushing some narrative like the United Daughters of The Confederacy and United Sons of the Confederacy. All the United States wanted in the end of the war was to start making money again and unifying the country and the South needed to justify why all of that devestarion even happened. The South stared the war to preserve the institution of slavery though Westward expansion. They knew Lincoln objected to that. In the end the South started the war because they knew that electorally the North dominated the South. That is how Lincoln was elected even without being on the ballot in most Southern states. Democratically, the South kind of made themselves irrelevant. Lincoln was elected only by Northern states. In the end really when you look at it in an over simplification, the Civil War was over a disputed election. Once we can get away from the imotional arguments of the war like North being more virtuous because there moral or that somehow even though South lost it was the good cause preserving the Southern, agricultural, rural, Christian way of life. They both painted themselves as saints, moral and hyper-honorable to justify and distract from the massive bloodletting and more importantly to reconcile and move back to normalcy. This subject is like if Santa exists to 6 year old. If you don't want realize that you fed a bunch of stories that don't actually hold water historically. That is fine. I'm not invested in changing your mind. I have read your over comments. I don't think that will ever happen.

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@honeybeechanger Firstly, it was not a Civil War, it was a war between the states. The South wanted independence. Read a book called "The Real Lincoln ". It exposes the myths about slavery and Lincoln and why he was bad and a tyrant. I'm a 12th Generation Virginian and proud of my Confederate ancestors..I will never apologize.

@honeybeechanger

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeadeVlogchannel i don't know if you read what I wrote or you read it determined to think that because I don't agree with you completely that I must think "x" but your response while appreciated is not exactly appropriate considering what I actually wrote or think. I'm not looking to dIefy or villinize anyone in this conflict. While, I am intered and sppreciative of your book suggestion, i don't have to read another book to know that there are questions as to Lincoln's character. He definitely was no saint and he did fight the war between the states to free the Black's or the slaves. He definitely was a racist by today's standards. I do know that he suspended habías corpus. I also know that none of the Confederate leaders were going to be punished for their treason, sedition... Johnson also never punished a single ex-confederate. I didn't know if that is evil, per sé. I'm not sure what the upgrade of evil you are talking about. Certainly, he expanded the powers of the office of President. He fighting a war, wether civil or independence, it was a war. The war is called Civil War precisely because it was a war among countrymen. A war of independence is fought against a dome any foreign power. Certainly from the perspective of the Southern states that declared their independence from their country felt that it was a war of Independence. I understand that. That is why Lincoln fought the newly formed confederate states of America complete with their own construction, which nearly identical to the US Constitution except slavery and white supremacisy was openly and explicitly legalized and the all men are created equal was definitely not an issue. I never asked for apology, why would I? Why would anyone. We don't only have venerate our ancestors we also have to learn from them. I am Jewish. I'm a 1st generation American. When I look at my ethnic history I know the every group has a potential to be good or bad, oppressor or oppressed and that can change from generation to generation. Look at the Maccabees/Hasmoneans from the Bible. The routed out their oppressors only to become oppressors. They forcibly converted Moebites and murdered Hellenized Judeans until blood ran in the streets. This not a part of the Hanukkah story that gets told all that much it ain't pretty! You can ignore it until you start think about who Harod The Great was and why he was who he was. He was technically a Jew because his a esters had been forcibly converted. He was never accepted as a full Jew/Judean and that is why he was favored by Rome. He had a great head on his shoulders and was raised as both a Roman and Jew. My first point is that there consequences to the past no matter how white washed they are and my second point is that no side purely good or bad. Now, that we got out of the way or at least I did, I have been wanting to ask these southern sympathizers some questions: 1. Do you think we would have been better off not having preserved the Union. 2. You really think that overtaking federal court houses and post offices and firing on Ft. Sumter was not sufficient grounds to retaliate against the Confederacy? 3. You know how many days Lincoln was in office before Ft Sumter was fired upon? live-bri-dos.pantheonsite.io/activities/did-abraham-lincoln-exceed-his-presidential-powers-during-the-civil-war

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@honeybeechanger What we can agree on is that instead of tearing down existing monuments, they can build other ones and tell the whole story. The Confederate monuments had nothing to do with Jim Crow. They were reconciliation between North and South. Now that they tore down the majority of Southern monuments, it has opened old wounds and division.

What Reckoning and it wasn’t a lost cause..

The most interesting issue here is how R. E. Lee held a prominent job while NOT being a citizen of the USA. He was an illegal resident. As illegal as a slave in 1800. He forfeited his citizenship, support persons other than Lincoln calling himself p.o.t.u.s. and had innoscent soldiers killed or jailed in death camps where they suffered and died. But,...... Lee, was President of a university? I think that men like Seidule are not speaking on issues that can move America race relations forward. Of course Lee was racist in the context of 1860 - 1864 as the war raged and before. Within the network of whites in general, over the centuries, he was not considered the problem because a large majority of northern whites owned the same disease called racism. Nope....every generation must hear and see all those who believed in the instution of slavery. Keep all names public, and not to honor their mis-guided ideology. Perhaps there should be memorials for bad judgment. Bad judgement day. Set statues up in "Loser's Park." The park should be beautiful and the statues should be displayed in every state where they exist.

First of all I must make it clear that I am British and have no axe to grind. I am currently reading a biography of Robert E Lee. What shines out is the character of the man. He was initially offered command of the Union forces but in those early days of the United States most people, Lee included, identified more with their state than with the country. Lee did not approve of slavery. Like millions of people throughout the whole country Lee believed that slavery would wither away in the fullness of time. He had the attitude of the majority of white people throughout the world, that black people were inferior to white people. Lee inherited slaves when his father-in-law died. The latter's will stipulated that those slaves would be freed five years after his death. This, Lee achieved. What people do not know is that Lee and his wife taught those slaves to read and write, as they saw it, to prepare them for freedom. Lee was not an evil man. He was a man of his time with all the prejudices of his particular physical place. Yes, he did have the slaves referred to. But he inherited them and they were liberated, by Lee, in accordance with his father-in-law's will. He is accused of being cruel and having slaves whipped. That is still open to debate. The evidence against Lee, in this, is strong. But not proven. Lee was, on the whole, an honourable man who chose the wrong side. Loyalty to country was subsumed to loyalty to one's state. And Lee was loyal to that ideal. I am disappointed that we still try to impose our modern mores and ethics upon people who lived in a world of which we still know very little. We can read their letters. We can read what others said about them. But we cannot know them and truly understand the world in which they lived and by which they were conditioned.

@Meng776

2 жыл бұрын

He was a man of his time....but slavery was thought by MANY to be evil. We can't act like he was just doing like everyone else and it's ok, but many obviously knew it was evil. To believe that they simply didn't know, means that you talk to people of other races and can't intuitively understand that they are equal to you. Let's not confuse willful ignorance with actual ignorance.

@actuallyadog_

2 жыл бұрын

“I am disappointed that we still try to impose our modern mores and ethics upon people who lived in a world of which we still know very little.” - This KZreadr, reading 1 book about Robert E Lee, talking to a historian with a PhD and a lifelong fascination with Robert E Lee’s life and history. **You** know very little about this person’s world, and **you** have read one book, which very likely had an agenda when describing this very powerful icon and a very sensitive subject for people who idolize him. What exactly is a modern more and ethic? You’re applying your own mores of “he did what he could with what he had,” are you not? And also, when we are judging the character of others, we ought to judge in a way that sends a message to others whether their actions set a good precedent for today’s audience. We can forgive someone their behavior in another era, but we can also condemn their actions, since for goodness’ sake, they should not be repeated! I am sorry to come down so hard on you about this, and I admit I also do not know much of Lee’s life, but I feel the need to point out the flaws here, since this line of thinking has a butterfly effect that can cause my neighbors to continue to bury their heads in the sand about removing monuments to the General of the Confederacy, for goodness’ sake!

@TheStapleGunKid

2 жыл бұрын

Some of your claims are a bit too kind to Lee. The claim that he "didn't approve of slavery" comes entirely from one private letter he wrote to his wife, a letter he never expected anyone else to read. In it, he calls slavery a "moral and political evil", but says it's more so for whites than blacks. He also said that slavery was a "necessary instruction" for blacks and it would have to remain until god decides it could end. That's not really anti-slavery. And it must be stated that Lee never publicly spoke out against slavery before it ended. Also it's a stretch to say he "achieved" freeing the Custis slaves, when all he did was comply with the legal requirements of George Custis' will. Lee was required to free them within five years, and he freed them on December 29th, 1862, the last legal day he was allowed to keep them. He could have freed them earlier, but he chose to keep them as long as possible. He even petitioned the Virginia courts to keep them beyond five years, in order to help pay off the debts of Custis' estate, but the courts rejected him and forced him to comply with the will. So it's not really an "achievement" for Lee to comply with the legal requirements of a will after the courts forced him to do so. One thing is clear, Lee only freed his slaves because he was legally mandated to do so, not because he opposed slavery. When Lee's army invaded Pennsylvania in 1863, his troops captured over 1,000 free blacks and sent them south into slavery. Did you know that? It seems Lee's diehard fans either don't know or pretend this never happened. Lee wasn't a hardcore pro-slavery zealot, but he was a typical Southerner of his time: He owned slaves, managed slaves, and commanded an army that took slaves, in service to a rebellion carried out entirely for preserving slavery. Finally, it should be noted that not all people back then the put loyalty to state above country. Many did not, and that included many Virginians. Many fine Virginian military officers served the Union, including William Terrill, George Thomas, Samuel Lee (Robert's cousin) and Winfield Scott (Lee's old commanding officer). In fact, out of 8 pre-war colonels from Virginia, Lee was the only one who joined the rebellion. So in a way, Lee's choice to join the rebels wasn't typical, but actually somewhat of an outlier.

@thomast3570

Жыл бұрын

He identified with where his money and property were.

Very Knowledgeable people in this vid. 👍🌲

You mean to say that white supremacy never existed in the North? Here is an author who is a retired brigadier general and has a PHD, but for me comes across sounding like a true believer who over time went entirely from one version of worship and belief to another. I don't trust the judgement of individuals who do that.

@mbankslje0nk

2 жыл бұрын

Whataboutism. Racism is a fact of life for all white Americans regardless where they live. Bill Russel talked about how black players on the Celtics not being allowed to stay in the same hotels as the white players in the north when he played. The col is talking about the fact that we all need to examine ourselves false for historical beliefs. Historical facts need to be taught not myths like the lost cause.

@thomast3570

Жыл бұрын

Straw man.

This is just history Just like the fact that people of the north nearly wiped out the entire Indian nations

@andreabrown4541

2 жыл бұрын

You do realize Confederate soldiers, including Confederate generals, joined the U.S. Military after the Civil War! Of is this an attempt to create another myth that'll have to be deconstructed down the line?

Like a museum for the holocaust the statues at Arlington should be removed and put with other relics of a time when the abomination of slavery was practiced and a war fought to destroy the practice.

Okay so now I've gotten to the part in your talk when you're talkin about the statues and what to do. My idea is to add statues not to remove them. I think we should add statues to the existing in the parks. If we tell the story of slavery near the story of the Confederacy I think he completes the circle. If people like you can get together with the UDC an organizer wait tell a more complete story of our shared history. If we go to Lee's grave and do the same thing and have Grant shaking his hand? That would actually be a true thing because he is the one who accepted surrender. If we talked about how Lee and his confederate compatiots feared imprisonment but weren't. I think it does a great job in tearing down the lost cause concept of the post war reconstruction as a revenge on the South by North. Largely I think in some ways the north showed restraint. In fact part of why the reconstruction failed is because the the north was remorseful and had it own problem with with racism. Let the complete story be told don't tear down but build up!

@daveg4963

2 жыл бұрын

Monuments are to glorify. History books tell the story. Nobody put up Nazi monuments in Germany after WW2. Most confederate monuments went up as a response to the civil rights movement by confederate daughters.

@bipslone8880

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveg4963 Yes, all you have to ask is who put up those statues and what were their true intentions. Changing history was the intention.

@e.g.1218

Жыл бұрын

And of course explaining that they were made for Lost Cause narratives, when that was the case.

@Bhoddisatva

Жыл бұрын

A lot of these statues were created by the local communities and its their decision on what to do with them. Considering many of these communities have large black populations its not really a surprise the community would want them removed.

@therabbi9848

Жыл бұрын

Yea I mean im no fan of destroying historical monuments whatever nonsense they celebrate. The best thing for them is to move them to a museum. It can really help to frame these statues in a different light. It's just that transporting these things is not easy, and they sure as hell shouldn't be in city centers.

A state means that it is sovereign, by definition. Nullification and secession can and should always be on the table in a federal system. The south was not trying to take over Washington DC, or other northern territories. It was trying to leave peacefully. Lincoln even said that he would leave slavery up to the states if that meant preserving the union. It was always about forcibly preserving a union and not about slavery. To those that think secession is a bad idea, let me ask you something... does representation matter in a republic? What is a healthy size for a government? With the average ratio of population-to-representatives we have now in congress, we would have only had 5 congressmen at our first congress. Does that sound fair to you? When a healthy human cell gets too large, it splits into two. When a cell is cancerous and does not divide, it gets larger and consumes everything in its wake.

@TheStapleGunKid

Жыл бұрын

The South wasn't trying to take over Washington DC, but they were trying to take over a part of the United States and turn it into a slave empire. The constitution was formed by "we the people of the United States", not "we the people of each individual state". It could only be unformed in the same way, by a national agreement. Their rebellion was an attempt to take over part of the nation, winning with violence what they lost in a free and fair election. The Civil war was about slavery, because of the South. They were the ones who made it about slavery, not Lincoln Lincoln said he would leave slavery up to the states because he had to. The president had no authority to abolish slavery in the Union states without a constitutional amendment. The issue at hand was slavery in the federal territories. On that Lincoln would not compromise, not even to save the Union. Lincoln was elected to ban slavery at the federal level, and he would not abandon that for anything. This was unacceptable to the South, because they knew that would eventually destroy slavery in the South too. Does representation matter? Well the South's population was 30% slave, and yet the slaves had no representation. Instead, they were used by the South to increase their population stats. The slaves had no representation, yet their mere existence was used by the slave masters to give them disproportionate representation, and they used that extra representation to fight to keep their slaves enslaved forever. The fact of the matter is the Confederacy had more representation than they actually deserved, yet they still started a rebellion to preserve slavery in response to the election of an anti-slavery president when that disproportionate representation was not enough to win an election. Oh and for the record, yes the South was trying to take over "Other Northern territories." The South invaded several Union states during the war, and they invaded New Mexico territory as well.

@Ben00000

Жыл бұрын

"It was always about forcibly preserving a union and not about slavery" So it wasn't about slavery tearing the Union apart, it was about the Union resisting being torn apart by slavery, which is different somehow, got it, makes perfect sense!

Treason is an awfully strong word for a man who resigns his post honorable rather than invade his home state and raise a sword to his family his friends his STATE. To preserve slavery ? How about protecting his home His family the Average southerner from an invading army of mercenaries ? R. E. Lee said he would free every slave in the south if it could prevent the war . Thing was excise tax , and federal over reach were real problems. This is in a time that states nullified federal law they didn’t agree with . This is a time when a mans state was his world . My ancestors fought to protect South Carolina in the first war of independence and the second. The southern states wanted their right to self governance as penned by Jefferson and won by the sword of Washington.

@revanofkorriban1505

2 жыл бұрын

Protecting his home and his family? What a bunch of bullcrap lol. Lee's family and home were right next to Washington. They would've been perfectly safe if he'd stayed loyal to his country. The U.S. Army was NOT an army of mercenaries, lol. Paid soldiers aren't mercenaries. Lee joined the Confederacy to support his state's war to protect slavery. He was heavily pro-slavery himself. He had free blacks kidnapped by his army and sent south to be enslaved. He refused to exchange captured black Union troops for captured Confederate troops. He made extensive use of enslaved labor himself on campaign. Lee was not honorable.

@bipslone8880

2 жыл бұрын

You sound like the result of lost cause homeschooling.

@revanofkorriban1505

2 жыл бұрын

@@bipslone8880 Funnily enough, I myself am homeschooled, and a progressive through and through.

@andreabrown4541

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it was Lincoln who said he'd free every slave if it could preserve the Union, not Lee. "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." Lincoln And what, pray tell, did South Carolina, where the official secession convention met on a platform opposing Lincoln's opposition to the expansion of slavery into the territories, think of slavery? We'll wait for it.

Great book. I recommend it highly.

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

Read a book called "The real Lincoln ". Exposes the lies.

@pyromania1018

2 жыл бұрын

@@MeadeVlogchannel Tom DiLorenzo is nothing more than a cherry-picking white supremacist. To quote Rich Lowry: "His scholarship, such as it is, consists of rummaging through the record for anything he can find to damn Lincoln, stripping it of any nuance or context, and piling on pejorative adjectives. In DiLorenzo, the Lincoln-haters have found a champion with the judiciousness and the temperament they deserve."

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyromania1018 He speaks the truth about Lincoln. But Lincolns views were very typical of the time period . He was more white supremacist than Jefferson Davis.

It's too bad that 'heritage' has to carry so much weight with people today. Heritage is the past, people. It reaches back generations, centuries even and requires living, breathing people today to herald, maintain, recognize and respect genetic forbears who've been dead and gone for hundreds of years. Heritage is fine when the written history of it isn't divisive, damaging and dangerous. Saying that slavery wasn't all three of those things and more to the entire human population of this country, is dismissive ignorance. Saying that slavery was NOT a core cause of the civil war is pure intellectual dishonesty, fueled naturally by the lost cause myth. The lost cause myth is the vehicle by which people today can 'honor' their 'southern heritage'. The ONLY way one can do this, is to water down and dilute slavery as a main issue/cause of the war. This tactic is similar to flat earthers' saying gravity is 'just a theory', when asserting the earth is in fact not spherical but flat. When a flat earther sees video of our spherical earth, orbiting space stations or lunar landings they protect 'their beliefs' by asserting all that data is fake. I'd like to know what any supporter of southern heritage sees when he/she reads the Declaration of Causes of Secession. For the sake of argument, I will award prideful southerners their distilled honoring of ancestors who for four years bravely fought for states' rights. Looking at the surviving confederate veterans who returned home from war, what are your thoughts on the heritage of 'their' ancestors (who by proxy are also your ancestors)? A study drawn up six years ago puts the number of black Americans murdered, exclusively in the south, between 1865 and 1950 at nearly 6,500. Are you also proud of 'this' heritage? How will you whitewash this data?

@robertwillett9204

2 жыл бұрын

Blah. Blah.

@pyromania1018

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwillett9204 EUSTACE! WHERE ARE YOUR MARBLES?!

@charliewakefield3312

Жыл бұрын

I love the Confederate flag and the South!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@jonnie106

Жыл бұрын

@@charliewakefield3312 What do you have against freedom and equality???

Hey Lost Causers if your heritage is to glorify Lee and Jackson, mine is to glorify Grant and Sherman. We can make Georgia howl again if you want.

@tyrantsmisery

2 жыл бұрын

@@savanahmclary4465 everything you just said was just so wildly wrong. I do not know where to start unraveling the wall of diarrhea you just entered into the world. Please seek psychiatric help and the education from historians.

@occamtherazor3201

2 жыл бұрын

@@savanahmclary4465 I have never seen such an egregious and profane abuse of quotation marks or capital letters in my life, nor a more brazen assault on objective reality and verifiable facts.🤣🤣🤣🤣

@robertwillett9204

2 жыл бұрын

Seek professional help.

@robertwillett9204

2 жыл бұрын

No attempt to destroy the United States government ever occurred. Secession is a states right issue. Therefore there was more than one issue as a cause for hostilities.

@occamtherazor3201

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwillett9204 No, there was only one cause. Arguing over whether or not the Southern States had the legal right to secede (Spoiler alert; They didn't) and ignoring the very clearly stated reasons WHY the Southern States wanted to secede is t he worst kind of intellectual myopia

How about... You take a long look see around You at America? What Constitutes a Country as America? What is the ONE Constant? Something in 244 years that has never changed, but has been persistent? You will have the answer you seek. Resolve: America has NEVER BEEN TWO COUNTRIES.... Sucker punched ...maybe .. but NOT TWO COUNTRIES. Do you know who they are? Then you will know who the Americans are.

@paulramon7860

2 жыл бұрын

Huh

@deepgardening

2 жыл бұрын

Say what?

Why do you think general lee was was named general lee🤣 the flag on the roof and all.

The lost cause refers to a bloodline a very old and royal bloodline, the Plantagenet line. Hidden and protected while the people have been twisted and turned against each other. The Rose of York returns to lift the shadow. 🌹

@jimpalmer2981

2 жыл бұрын

Mmm, no. No, it doesn't.

@Wiggys23

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimpalmer2981 are you of those “18” million people that still voted for the Devil after he said so himself - James Russell Earl of Wiggins, Prince of York.... but you already knew that professor Moriarity... oops #YorkLoveYouDispiteSkullAndBonesNastyLies

@baneofbanes

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wiggys23 what lol

@Wiggys23

2 жыл бұрын

@@baneofbanes yes Hunter or one of the oldest of old bloodlines and Harvard alumni at the school Uncle Bradstreet and Thomas Frederick Edward Earl of Marsh and King of the Franks Uncle Tom Wiggins Duke of York to you but grandpa and founder of America in rewritten history to me his Heir. The Golden Rose of Texas. Try your mockery somewhere else. Little cousin of the House of the Wondering Rose Clan.

I have a better reason for why Lee does not deserve credit for telling his men to go home and not engage in a guerilla war. Grant gave him a guarantee of Parole. As long as he behaved himself, he was safe from the noose that he so richly deserved. Encouraging his men to take to the hills and continue the fight, even if Lee was not personally leading them, could easily be seen as a violation of the terms of that parole. Lee was just looking out for his own neck.

@VideoHostSite

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, you can not only read minds, you can do it backwards in time! Now tell us what Jesus was thinking on the cross.

@occamtherazor3201

2 жыл бұрын

@@VideoHostSite Yeah, you're right. I'm sure that his decision to discourage his men from taking to the hills had NOTHING to do with the fact that it would violate the conditions of his parole and result in his being prosecuted for treason. I'm sure that thought NEVER crossed his mind...🙄 I mean, who am I to consider what a person would do in a given situation considering what he knew at the time??

@tyrantsmisery

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't it funny. Lee basically admits this when the KKK originally offered him leadership and he told them that he could not accept as it would be a violation of his parole.

@jimpalmer2981

2 жыл бұрын

@@VideoHostSite He was thinking, "Hey, I can see my house from here." Also, "Yowch, these nails hurt."

@robertwillett9204

2 жыл бұрын

He never had respect for Quantrill, etc DURING the war. Guerilla warfare was never part of Lee’s value system.

RESPECT! You do NOT spit on other peoples Ancestor.... No matter what color their skin is. I pray you come to know what it is: to work for your country for 32 years, from doing the service to protecting it, to egineering its water ways, for it's economy. To ONLY Be APPROACHED by an ambitious, greedy president and asked to build an ARMY to KILL YOUR OWN FAMILY. When YOU REFUSE: And RESIGN Your job, after 32 years... And you go home to be with your family. A place that you very seldom was, because of YOUR JOB. (And years.. that you weren't there..Because your loyalty, to your country and your Family. Honor!) But this President finds someone else to BUILD HIS ARMY.... Any way! And you hear your neighbors and your fellow colleagues, telling that an Army had been to their homes and looted them, maintaining, "That they owed the GOVERNMENT TAXES.. That they had PAID ...." That the ARMY had TORCHED your neighbors home and FARMs after the Army had arrested some of your neighbors and puts them in JAIL! and DENYS them any RECOURSE of their "Constitutional RIGHTS!" And YOU KNOW that what YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING IS TRUE... For YOU HAVE SEEN and Smelled the SMOKE from across the Hills and VALLEYS. Then your "Colleagues" "Family" comes to YOU... For They have met the same fate, as your others neighbors, had. BUT! the ARMY HAD EXECUTED YOUR "COLLEAGUE!" by Shooting him in the head... and Now.... there is numerous "Colleagues" family members coming to YOU .. and they had been either shot in the head, or hanged...Only those neighbors that had not been a COLLEAGUE....is the only ONES LEFT A LIVE... BUT WAS JAILED INDEFINITELY.. You are still looking for PEACE ...And YOU GO for a business TRIP FOR YOUR FAMILY FARM.... passing the neighbors homes, that have been torched. While YOU are on your trip.... THIS PRESIDENTS' ARMY HEADS FOR YOUR HOME....YOUR FAMILY.. And YOU are AWAY!...The Neighbors and your SLAVES sees the Army is coming to YOUR HOME' .... They are kind enough to RUN to YOUR WIFE, and REMOVE HER AND YOUR CHILDREN FROM YOUR HOME.... THE PRESIDENTS' ARMY "OCCUPIES YOUR HOME" waiting for YOUR RETURN... Your Neighbor and Slaves wait In watch for YOU TO RETURN, to warn You if the impending DANGER THAT WAITS FOR YOU AT HOME.. YOU! and I DO MEAN "YOU"! HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE..... YOU CANT GO HOME.... OR YOU WILL MEET WITH THE PRESIDENTS ARMY and YOU WILL SUFFER WITH THE SAME FATE AS YOUR NEIGHBORS AND COLLEAGUE'S...... WHAT ARE "YOU" GOING TO DO ??? YOU HAD ALSO HEARD, OF BATTLES THAT THIS ARMY HAS CREATED and YOUR FELLOW COLLEAGUES HAD BEEN FORCED TO DEFEND Their homes, as Well... WHAT DO YOU DO?.... YOU CAN'T GO HOME.. The. "ONLY" THING YOU CAN DO IS "DEFEND " YOUR FAMILY!" AND YOUR HOME AND SLAVES. CIVILITY! And the "ENTIRE WORLD AROUND YOU" Or are YOU JUST GONNA LAY DOWN AND BE EXECUTED???? What HALF. WIT WOULDN'T NO ONE! and I do mean NO ONE WANTS WAR! AMONGST THEIR FAMILIES! IN THEIR "HOME" LAND. RACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... BECAUSE THIS INVASION EFFECTED EVERY ONE!

@moishepinkhus5854

2 жыл бұрын

Ah the "he started it when he hit me back!" argument. Lost causers love that one.

New America, you say? For the awakened, look up this New America, it's mission statement, officers, board of directors; look at where it stands on the issues. Connect the dots, then move on

My question would be, why do you think the lost cause was so indirect and subtle with the messaging? Like the monuments generally show the confederates as brave people or talk about honoring their valor. They dont directly or overtly praise slavery. Is this common with movememts to rewrite history? Or was the south common for using euphemism and not being direct or open about intentions.

@johncutter9369

3 жыл бұрын

I like to say that America's two drugs of choice are hypocrisy and denial--and she stays high on them. It's no coincidence that the majority of these statues were erected during the Jim Crow era of segregation. So no, there was no subtlety involved at all--just lots of gaslighting.

@jalander8817

3 жыл бұрын

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@seandonahue8464

3 жыл бұрын

I lived in New Orleans as a child. I do recall not knowing the horrific history post Civil War. If you have a chance the book, Grant, was sadly my education of New Orleans' part post war. A Statue of Robert E. Lee was the most prominent monument poised with his arms crossed staring down facing the North. In Augusta another place I lived still stands a Monument that says," Never a Nation so white and pure fell of such crime." A reading of the state declarations of secession. A quick google will show it. In the first paragraphs of 2 or 3 state slavery is defined as the reason for war. Willful ignorance is the only conclusion, I can see for peoples Confederate lovers. I am a Southerner but, I accept the rebellion was wrong. I hope over time more will come to accept this as true. I hope we can live for the better parts of our history and keep getting better. I don't know if you ever heard of Roberts Smalls? Google him, his story is nothing short of amazing. Maybe he can get a Fort named for him. We can be so great in my mind. I hope we can embrace the high ideals and make them become true!

@jalander8817

3 жыл бұрын

@@seandonahue8464 Is there any room for nuance? Or were they wrong because of slavery alone? Truth is, your points need to be put into a larger context. To contextualize, may I suggest some questions for you to ask? 1) did Lincoln set out to put an end to slavery? 2) was slavery in the South becoming stronger as an institution or weaker? 3)was the north involved in the slave trade? Were they bigots too? 4)why was South Carolina first in secession? Why Charleston? Why Ft Sumter? 5)what part of all federal revenue came from South Carolina -Charleston in particular? 6)was slavery referred to in secessionist documents in regard to the fact that slavery WAS Constitutional? Also, while it’s definitely strange from our modern sensibilities, referring to ourselves as the white race or the Anglo Saxon tradition was a perfectly acceptable way to speak for people in England, the north, and the south.

@seandonahue8464

3 жыл бұрын

@@jalander8817 I think a quick statement of a core goal being stated is helpful. I believe in progress toward a betterment of all citizens of the U.S. Perfection or pursuit of goals without deviation is rare, if it ever exists (that in regard to your questions). I am aware of the many counter flows of actions that are in any large undertaking. It is a good thing we need not wait for a perfect person, perfect moment or perfect drive to a goal, otherwise nothing would ever be achieved. High Moral character is not a precondition to high moral achievement. Things are usually haphazard and sloppily advanced. A great dispassionate example is WWII. It can be viewed in many perspectives, yet a singular event. It can be viewed as German aggression, German Reaction to the "Stab in the back," US helping the British Empire, The US helping the USSR, The US saving Europe, The USSR defeating Germany(Soviets killed 93% of German Soldiers in the war) (Leaving out Asia to be brief) I'm trying to be short. Slavery was not invented here, true. It did exist in the North. It existed in most of the world. Yeah, it does make me bonkers when people focus just here in US. Brazil and the Caribbean received 85% of the trade. During the war Tenn and KY both slave states were in the Union. I think you can see why Lincoln had to play the cards he had been dealt. My answer is in the war Slavery was the dominant issue. Yes, I understand that the North was not jumping up and down to end it just for that. The world is never that simple, as I understand, you know. Sorry trying to be short as best I can. I do hold myself and the US to a higher standard. I think we are worthy of it. We inspired people in the former Warsaw Pact countries and the USSR (against the USSR's wishes). I want to be like that. Those that defend rule of law, truth and for everyone.

My objection to Obama is about his politics and I can careless about his lineage. My concern about what is talked about are we looking at true history or are we self abuse

He had me til he started praising obma and kamala harris

@willoutlaw4971

2 жыл бұрын

That's because you were looking for any excuse to retreat into your your lost cause grand lie.

@themichiganman8717

2 жыл бұрын

@@willoutlaw4971 I don't believe in the lost cause I'm not a confederate supporter

@therabbi9848

Жыл бұрын

@@willoutlaw4971 Ehhhh...I'm pretty sure you can be both anti-lost cause and not like Kamala Harris at the same time

there something off with these two guys can’t put my finger on it but there’s just something not right

@keithrich2761

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the fact he called 2 different flags the "racist battle flag". At first it was the one with the white and a flag in the top left corner then it was just the normal confederate flag 😂😂 obviously the dude was lying somewhere in his stories

@OldHeathen1963

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithrich2761 These guys are spot on!

@jamessebela3236

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithrich2761 All the flags used by the confederacy are racist flags. They represent a society based on slavery, a society that started the Civl War. Read all thirteen states article’s of succession…….. And the state of South Carolina fired the the first shot On Fort Sumpter.

@ceciljohnrhodes4987

2 жыл бұрын

They were using facts which may be an unknown to you.

@keithrich2761

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamessebela3236 did you know that back then military posturing was considered an act of war? If a navy pulled up on a foreign coast thats an act of war. Same thing with stocking forts and preparing for a war the entire purpose of maintaining a fort is to resupply troops and ships for wars so its actually justified and no the entire Civil War was not based on slavery have you ever heard of agricultural and industrial economies? The industrial section of the northern states were putting taxes and tariffs which directly and disproportionately affected the south. Its just like the American revolution, states rights weren't being represented for. So if you say the south was wrong for rebelling then you're saying the 13 colonies were wrong for rebelling

I shall purchase a couple copies of your book, sir, to wipe my ass w/ next time there is a shortage of toilet paper 🧻

@deepgardening

2 жыл бұрын

Once y'all been in harms way with someone you were taught (baldly or subtly) to regard as inferior and find you can trust them with your life, maybe it changes you a bit, eh?

Be proud to be a rebel the south will do it again

@pyromania1018

2 жыл бұрын

Do what? Lose? 😁

@vehx9316

Жыл бұрын

And the next Sherman will be all to happy to march all the way to the sea this time around.

nonsense!

I’m a northerner by birth and I have no stake in the southern cause, But listening to Yesborn and bred white male with privilege that has repeat the rewards of his whiteness, listening to him gives me the creeps! There’s something odd how a person could turn on literally everything and Himself this much! It’s too smooth and a lot of the words and phrases such as evil and false gods, there’s something not right here! A lot of what he is saying about treason and white supremacy just does not hold up! The Sight of the confederate flag in the capital he wants to put his uniform back on and go kick butt. Something does not add up here! You cannot turn on your self this much just because the way he grew up as he constantly says. Something does not add up with the guy on the right! I’m an American and I would’ve served on the union army just like my great great grandfather but there’s something not right about this guy! If General Lee was such a hard person why did Abraham Lincoln want him to be in charge of the union army forces? Why would President Lincoln want such a cruel inhumane slave master to be the head of the union army? When the war was ended he was basically broke and had no money! Most of the monuments were put up in the south to commemorate the soldiers who never made it back home because they were buried on and around the battlefields the ones who faught for the south! The white in the steel confederate flag meant purity for the cards not white supremacy! The battle of the crater was not done to kill all the blacks in the hole of the crater after the explosion it was a absolute insane bloodbath on both sides with that much confusion and trauma happens! One of the reasons why Jefferson Davis and a lot of the Confederates were not tried was because the union would’ve indicted itself for the same crimes, Check out the court rulings on that! Why did so many regular poor whites fight for the confederacy, because the Yankees were down there in their territory. It came down that’s why they fight just like you see kids fighting people from different neighborhoods and other people fighting people from different cities and what have you. It was an all out gang fight! The army bases were named after Confederate generals as a reconciliation to the south to help heal the wounds and do away with animosities to unite the nation even more! That is why it wasn’t white supremacy! Listen on the guy on the right is almost like listening to a super woke communist type which I have listened to and been around just to see and hear their viewpoints. There’s something not right with this guy! If the guy so disgusted and ashamed of all the southern symbols and remembrances why doesn’t he just throw away all his army stuff and repudiate his education and his time in the military and his parents and grandparents and do it in a public way and also repudiate and give back all his pensions and benefits because the army was a racist white supremacist organization in his opinion and he served in it as an officer! Something does not add up about this guy and I’m A born and bred northerner through and through! Lincoln said himself that he could fight the war was not even freeing the slaves he Would. Grant even stated that if he thought the war was about freeing the slaves he would take off his uniform and go home. There’s something about this guy he is just too so-called woke! Most white boys in the south had their first sexual experience with black female slaves? I have read that in a communist newspapers that I have found lying around here and there. Give me a break please! He’s saying Grant says they won’t give up until we destroy slavery, Grant was a hard fight and military man and that’s what he did militarily he kicked ass on the battlefield! He was a military man and a very good one! Grant and Lee shaking hands in grants tomb was A gesture between two military generals who fought it out. The sculpture of General Lee and white marble on his tomb is a symbol of white supremacy, give me a break!!!! I guess that means the vast majority of all gravestones that are used in America especially the ones of United States veterans gravestones in cemeteries are symbols of white supremacy, I think not!

@revanofkorriban1505

2 жыл бұрын

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. First of all, it was not Lincoln but Winfield Scott who wanted him in charge of the U.S. Army. Poor whites fought for a whole variety of reasons, but they were heavily invested in slavery as a way to maintain their social status over the black race's undercaste. Primary sources from their journals and letters home confirm this. And even if they did just fight to defend their homeland, that does not excuse the Confederate Cause. Many Germans fought in the Wehrmacht to defend their home. Does that excuse the Third Reich? In the Battle of the Crater, it is well-recorded that black soldiers were murdered by Confederate soldiers when they tried to surrender. The naming of places after Confederates was done for reasons twofold; as you say, to reconcile the nation, but it was also done, as Seidule says, to enshrine white supremacy. Lincoln's claim that he wasn't fighting for abolition but for the Union was PR. That statement about saving the union without freeing a single slave was given to Maryland, a slaveholding state that Lincoln couldn't afford to antagonize. In material during and especially before the war, Lincoln demonstrated clearly antislavery attitudes, though he had to hide his personal feelings on the matter to be electable.

@andreabrown4541

2 жыл бұрын

@@revanofkorriban1505 Preach! Now say it louder so the ones in the back and hear. While my thoughts about Lincoln are more aligned with those of a Fredrick Douglass (who referred to Lincoln as the first black president), I understand your analysis of his political views given I witnessed the same type of maneuvering by Obama on the issue of same sex marriage: flip flop and flop flip before finally endorsing it.

God bless General Lee

@jimpalmer2981

2 жыл бұрын

God bless Stacey Abrams.

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimpalmer2981 ewwww

@OldHeathen1963

2 жыл бұрын

God chose General Grant 🤔🙂

@MeadeVlogchannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldHeathen1963 No , Satan did. Grant was evil and a drunk

@ominous-omnipresent-they

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps you should ask Santa Claus to bring him a choo-choo train while you're at it.

It was litterally never solely about slavery, anyone who knows history would know that

@OldHeathen1963

3 жыл бұрын

LoL! 🤡🐸☠️

@tyrantsmisery

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was totally about states rights...to preserve and expand the institution of slavery. The Southern States were pretty fucking clear when they seceded on letting the world know they did so to protect slavery.

@jimpalmer2981

2 жыл бұрын

I love how people who are historical experts can't even spell "literally."

@OldHeathen1963

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyrantsmisery They didn't give a damn about Northern States Rights when attempting to kidnap ex slaves! Facts!

@tyrantsmisery

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldHeathen1963 I know.

He does not know what hes talking about.

@RyanSantos-ol9lr

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds legit to me. Dude is a professor at West Point.

@ChargingStag

3 жыл бұрын

@@RyanSantos-ol9lr I have often found that just because a person has 'professor' in their titles, does not automatically mean they have good and/or universally accepted takes, or are untouchable by human traits and flaws. I do appreciate their intelligence, but accept that sometimes we will have differences of opinion and interpretations.

@mrhorse6587

3 жыл бұрын

Bahahahahaha - Yeah, it's just fact after fact! We can't argue with that. Case in point: Savanah Mclary! Hahahahahahaha.

@keithrich2761

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrhorse6587 fact: southern slaves lived better than Africans. Another fact: northerners need more men for factories and southerners have tractors now therefor making slavery obsolete for us, but northerners have now become those who pay less for more men, whose the slavers now?

@RyanSantos-ol9lr

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithrich2761 slaves had better lives here is not a fact that’s subjective. Who ever taught you that is white washing the atrocity slavery actually was.

Some truths, some zingers, but this guy is a clown.

Great example of "Live Asses kick against dead Lions." Anyone who has read a comprehensive book on RE Lee knows Seidule is dishonest, deceitful, unfairly biased, and narrow-minded. He manages to lose all credibility within his 1st 5 minutes of speaking. Not sure how he sleeps at night. Here's how Robert E Lee will be remembered forever by the educated: - "[Robert E Lee was] one of the Supremely gifted men produced by this nation" (5-star Allied Commander, 2x President Dwight Eisenhower) - "Lee was one of the noblest Americans who ever lived" (Winston Churchill) - "Robert E Lee is one of our greatest American Christians and one of our greatest American gentlemen" (President Franklin D Roosevelt) - “Lee towered far above all men on either side. His statue is well worthy to stand on an equal pedestal with Washington (Sir Garnet Wolseley) - “General Lee’s character has been an example to succeeding generations.” - President Gerald Ford - Robert E Lee possessed every virtue of other great commanders without their vices. (Senator Benjamin Hill)

@baneofbanes

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. Lee was tactically gifted sure but strategically he was pretty inept, ended up owing the war when he was out against a Union general who knew what he was doing (General Ulysses S Grant who defeated every Confederate Army he faced and frankly rightly hold the title of the greatest American general to have ever lived) and last but not least fought for a nation founded on the preservation of slavery, one of the most evil of causes a man has ever fought for. I don’t hate Lee, but he showing be idolized and he isn’t by actual historians and those knowledgeable about history.

More woke propaganda

@jimpalmer2981

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, West Point is such a seething hotbed of wokeness.

@denbo74

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimpalmer2981 haha…I guess you aren’t keeping up on current events. Did you happen to see the Army’s recent advertising campaign? Historical you are right…but WOKEness is now infested the US Military and the first place the propagandists focus on in academia

@jimpalmer2981

2 жыл бұрын

@@denbo74 Huh. I guess the 1 in 5 Jan 6 rioters who are either veterans or active service must have missed the memo.

@denbo74

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimpalmer2981 🤦🏻

@revanofkorriban1505

2 жыл бұрын

Nonsense lol. You obviously don't know your history. Anyway, what is wokeness? Care for fucking human rights, mind you! Is it "woke" to criticize the way America has been worshipping some of its worst people? Is it woke to call out the Lost Cause bullshit and the way it's been shaping American history for the worse? If so, then I say more wokeness please!