Which type of pedals do you use? 👇

@craigroberts5965

10 ай бұрын

I struggled with MTB SPDs due to the lack of adjustment. It lead to knee pain on longer rides. The switch to road pedals allowed me to resolve this.

@marge5385

10 ай бұрын

Speedplay, also doublesided, quite intuitive and relatively walkable

@alinapopescu872

10 ай бұрын

Normal, flat ones. I don't want to be tied to them and fall over at a busy intersection, with cars speeding all around me.

@perjensen1962

10 ай бұрын

Shimano SPD MTB flats on the Kona XC bike and Shimano flat/SPD on the gravel bike. No complaints 😊

@achilleasgiovanis6929

10 ай бұрын

Flats😂

Always used SPDs on my road bike. Can actually walk in them when I need to.

@ChrisBeard

10 ай бұрын

Defo. I have SPDs and Shimano MT3 shoes which look like a trainer but are surprisingly stiff. Saves taking spare shoes on my commute or getting to the start of a long ride like the DD. Unless your racing the weight or aero gain just ain't worth the wally walk in the pub😅

@BRMCaptChaos

10 ай бұрын

And one doesn't trash the cleat doing so.

@FRamirez1A

10 ай бұрын

Same here. SPDs on my road bike.

@mjtpli

10 ай бұрын

Unless you’re a super serious racer who doesn’t care about ever getting off your bike, this is really all you need to know.

@QuixonDnB

10 ай бұрын

@@ChrisBeard I have same shoes, really comfy, love them. Just started to use spd pedals and have not regretted at all.:)

I went clipless (SPD-SL) when I bought my first road bike. I liked so much being clipped-in, so I bought a set of SPD pedals & a pair of shoes for my MTB. Then I realised that SPD is the way to go: it's nicer to be able to clip in from both sides of the pedal and you can walk in those shoes. For now I still use SPD-SL on my road bike, but after I'll upgrade to a new one, I'll go with SPD for sure.

@Countrystock

10 ай бұрын

Completely agree with you on this one, I'll be doing the same

@danabean4408

10 ай бұрын

@@Countrystock Totally agree. There is an added benefit that because of the recessed cleat, the SPD shoes/cleats don't damage floors in the house, which has been a saving grace, especially to my wife. I am totally a road cyclist, but with hi-end gravel racing shoes, who needs SPD SL (which I used for years before I saw the light)???

@andrewmcalister3462

10 ай бұрын

Logically, the time to switch would be when buying a new shoe, not a new bike. Pedals can be moved between bikes, but when buying a shoe, you are locked into the 2 bolt or 3 bolt systems (with a few dual exceptions).

You can also get SPD / Flat pedals, which I personally love in stop and go traffic. Sometimes I don't want to fuss w/ clipping in and out at every light or behind every car, so I can just put my foot down on the flat and get ok power. Once I've got some road ahead of me I can clip in and get focused riding.

@geoffreyhoney122

10 ай бұрын

Me too! For all the reasons you articulated, the are amazing especially in traffic or wacky off road bits, plus I can just hop on the bike with my regular shoes for a short shopping jaunt!

@gcn

10 ай бұрын

Another good option! We also compared clipless to flats 👉 kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4qAyNOjk7fInrg.html

@LadyPelikan

10 ай бұрын

I have those on my second bike. Great combination - I can go in any shoe for shorter trips, or bike shoes, as I feel it.

@ShadowzKiller

10 ай бұрын

This is the best pedal for everyday riding and for beginners learning how to use cleats. Both myself and my father started with this before shifting to SPD SL cleats/pedals.

@SeanBlader

10 ай бұрын

The hybrids are nice for having options or to not wear your bike shoes for a quick ride somewhere, but they are staggeringly heavier. On my old bike I kept the hybrid ones, but when I upgraded I just got SPD's.

SPDs for 3 decades - the only pedal similarity between my different bikes. Shimano nailed this.

For the recreational rider I would definitely recommend the SPD pedals with platform pedals on one side. Not only do they give you the option of riding in sneakers (sorry, “trainers”), but also when starting though an intersection you can power through before clipping in once safely across. Faffing around trying to clip in in the middle of a busy intersection is… not fun.

@s.j.5850

4 ай бұрын

How right you are!!!

Having tried both, my absolute favorite is SPD. I have Specialized mountain bike shoes with the SPD cleats because they’re recessed in the shoe, and the shoe itself has great grip to the ground. I can clip and unclip out of the SPD much faster. I tried the Wahoo Speedplays at one point, but I had the worst time clipping in and out of them, so those were an expensive fail for me. EDIT: I use SPDs and mountain bike shoes on a road bike, and I’ve never been more comfortable.

@tomnewham1269

10 ай бұрын

I’ve got the same setup. Shimano shoes were too tight for me and MTB cleats are so much easier to use.

@shellypalumbo5297

10 ай бұрын

I totally agree!! My eggbeaters are super easy to clip and unclip.

@Blah-blah-sure

10 ай бұрын

I agree also. Tried road shoes. But never had confidence to un-clip. And the soles seem slippery

@gcn

10 ай бұрын

Do you feel like you're lacking anything with the MTB shoe?

@HeibesHealth

10 ай бұрын

@@gcn I don’t! If anything it feels like a gain. My toes can spread out and aren’t so cramped, the bottoms of the shoes have a lot of grip, so when I unclip and put my foot to the ground, it’s not sliding around (and even better for walking if needed). They feel much more stable on the pedals than road shoes for me.

Stopped using clipless on all my bikes, MTB, road, gravel . Switched to flats. So much better than clips, power transfer surprisingly same, lots more freedom. Only took me 30 years to figure it out!

@ska042

10 ай бұрын

For most riding, I'd agree, but for out of the saddle hard efforts there's absolutely a benefit to being attached to the pedal.

@gcn

10 ай бұрын

That's what we found was generally the case when we did a comparison a little while ago! 👉 kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4qAyNOjk7fInrg.html

@alancooke6630

10 ай бұрын

Flat pedals for me as well. 850 miles tour around Scotland cycle camping, no problems

Fun fact. Shimano originally marketed SPD pedals as road or MTB pedals. They were trying to avoid paying licensing fees to Look. When Look's patent ran out, they rebranded SPD as mountain bike pedals.

@kekkonenprkl

10 ай бұрын

Also they still offer "road specific" SPD pedals. Or more like one offering, Ultegra PD-ES600.

@axelschneider1678

10 ай бұрын

SPD / Platform in one pedal. Only ride urban/ commuting and the ability to walk in the bike shoes or to be able to use any shoes is invaluable for me.

@Khalidazizphoto

10 ай бұрын

I use magpeds Magnetic Pedals. And they are great.

@DaigoroToyama

10 ай бұрын

That's indeed a fun fact! I laern new things every day. Thank you.

@jerrygascan9132

10 ай бұрын

fun fact? fun fake fact. not true.

No matter what clip in style you choose. Don’t forget to clip out when coming to a stop. When in doubt nothing beats a good old fashion flat pedal. As always happy riding everyone.

@junkandcrapamen

10 ай бұрын

track stand

@Shadowboost

10 ай бұрын

track stand? I usually don't need to clip out even when the rest of my group does

@gcn

10 ай бұрын

We've all had that dreaded unable to unclip moment! 😂

I’ve used both systems and it’s SPD all the way for me. One pair of shoes for my road bike and my XC bike. They’re plenty stiff enough for the road, don’t get wrecked off road and you can walk in them. What’s not to like.

I am a triathlete and I really like SPD pedals because it allows walking or even running on short distances. While the others are struggling with their road bike shoes being already clipped on the pedals and having to run barefoot, I can just zoom past them in my SPD shoes. And getting on the bikes with the shoes already on the pedals can be really tricky, I've seen really nasty falls caused by the shoes hanging from the pedals. I love and would absolutely recommend SPDs for short course triathlon, because its more comfortable and doesn't or hardly looses any time in transition compared to road shoes.

I use flat pedals on my road bike, and I'm not even ashamed.

@ChrisBeard

10 ай бұрын

Good for you. :-) my mate just did 120 miles on flats. We ribbed him bit he was fine and still make it just fine

@milan4ever

10 ай бұрын

Same

@philipcooper8297

10 ай бұрын

​@@ChrisBeard Years ago, the GCN did a comparison video between flat pedals and clipless pedals on a road bike, the difference was negligible.

@seanoleary771

10 ай бұрын

@@philipcooper8297 Yeah there's been studies as well. If you're going flat (no pun intended) out, yes they are significant. For Joe Commuter, use whatever you're comfortable with.

@mjtpli

10 ай бұрын

Once I made the transition to clipping in I find it more comfortable over longer distances. I had to endure a few embarrassing falls first though.

I think it's worth mentioning that on the mountain bike system you have "float", a little bit of movement of the shoe whilst still being clipped in. That could make it more comfortable especially if you have joint problems.

This is the video I have been searching for!!! I started with SPD on both road and mountain bikes for cost purposes but always wondered if I had a made a mistake. The technical side of me would love a more in depth video though maybe with motion analysis to see the performance differences ( if there are any) Pretty easy to do the same ride with same shoes and just different cleats.

I use spd es600. Spd pedals but with road cleat sized platform, the best of both worlds. Can walk normally when off the bike which is a must when commuting!

@headlessmike

10 ай бұрын

Me too. They even come with special SPD cleats that cannot be unclipped by pulling up hard, effectively canceling out one reasons I often hear people claim why SPD-SL is better.

@uranusjr

10 ай бұрын

@@headlessmike You got it backwards, the single-direction release version (SM-SH51) came first, and the multi-direction SH56 came after as an “improvement” to the problem people crash not being able to unclip. Most Shimano pedals bundle SH51 as the default cleats.

@rhobowkhrigowbo1708

10 ай бұрын

This. If only there were more road shoes with a clean and sleek design that hold recessed SPD cleats. And no, I don’t think those Shimano adapters are an adequate solution.

@sevenrats

Ай бұрын

100%! I love these!

I agree that the gravel or MTB shoes with their respective SPD Pedals are most practical. One key advantage is the use of SPD MTB system in the city, as it allows one to use both sides of the Pedals. The road shoe&pedal system to me is quite dangerous. At the traffic lights, if I failed to clip on my other side at the start, the road shoe WILL slide off the pedal if on the wrong side. Better yet, Shimano EH500 with one sided clip and flat on the other side is fantastic for city and town. Because the flat side will allow the MTB shoe to lodge into the Pedal's flat side without clipping (little known Shimano EH500 feature). That means one can unclip one side ahead to a stop, yet the MTB shoe won't slip out coming to a full stop or following start.

I know this video is sponsored by Shimano, but Crankbrothers makes some awesome mtb and gravel pedals as well. Specifically, the eggbeaters still feel fast on the paved sections, but offer much more versatility when off-roading.

@The2808erik

10 ай бұрын

I don't like that they don't have release adjustment.

@collinklimek1660

10 ай бұрын

@@The2808erik You can change the float and release angle based on what cleat you purchase.

@yonglingng5640

10 ай бұрын

​@@collinklimek1660And based on your installation orientation (whether you install one cleat on the other shoe or vice versa).

@collinklimek1660

10 ай бұрын

@@yonglingng5640 Yeah, definitely. They lend themselves well to customization based on shoe size, etc.

@kevinportilla9320

10 ай бұрын

And crank brothers shoes look so much nicer, you can wear them like they are some adidas or bike shoes

Got my first set of clipless pedals a couple of years ago for my road bike - got mountain bike kit as it's more practical for commuting, get groceries, etc.

Using hybrid flat/spd pedals on my hybrid bike. Love them!

I started with a mountain bike and when I got into road biking it was easier to keep the SPD pedals on everything. That said, I have never felt the need to get road pedals. Thanks for your explanation, it was well done!

One point that wasn’t mentioned was that for a beginner using clipless for the first time, the MTB system is the way to go. There are two types of Shimano cleats with the silver ones easier to clip out of than the black ones that were shown in this video.

@erins9271

10 ай бұрын

I bought the SPD/flat pedals when I was first learning to use clipless shoes. I've stuck with them because the shoes are easier to walk in. Helpful if you ride in traffic to be able to use both sides even with clippers spd shoes. 😊

My first pair of cycling shoes had the mounting holes for both, after trying both it's SPD for me. One aspect that is useful is that there is enough inherent "float" so that if you don't get the cleats set up perfectly, you have a reasonable hope that you won't end up putting undue stress on your knees, etc

I use the Crankbrothers Eggbeaters 3 for both and they are fantastic. 4 sides to clip in to and they are very light as well. The grip is good. I’m always thinking about trying the Look Keos but then again I don’t want to give up on the comfort of walking. I have stiff shoes with carbon soles btw so the power transfer is very good.

Good video. Walking into the coffee shop scene - keeping it real!! After years using a road shoe / pedal system, I switched to a mtb shoe / pedal. It's really nice to be able to walk around.

Thanks so much for this episode! I have been wanting to see GCN cover this topic for a long time. I was introduced to Time's Link, MX and CX series pedals at a local bike repair shop and liked them alot! Subsequently I discovered (and switched to) a series of Crank Brothers pedals. I have Mallets, Candy's, and egg-beaters -- the latter my current favorite for their simplicity, comfort and flexibility in riding style. They also look kuul!

I cycled in the late 80s early 90s was on toe clips and went to look and did use a shimano look cleat pedal and then gave up cycling for a years 2 years bought a tourer and had the Shimano SPD one side and the normal pedal I really liked them so much I got a small pair of Shimano SPD for my road bike and I think will stick with them for my road bike. Great video

Touring, single sided SPD with platform. Platform for riding from the hotel to the chippy in plimsolls. Commute, double side SPD. Road & TT, SPD-SL. Vintage rides, usually plates, clips and straps. Some bikes rubber block pedals.

I use spd on my road bike. Handy for commuting and when I do triathlons and feel perfectly happy when just doing long road rides. Currently use the Specialized Recon SL, which are essentially a road gravel shoe

I use road SPD-SL (PD-R8000) mainly, because they are much more stable, less float/play and larger surface area. But i switch to SPD (EH-500) during the Finnish winter. Ice and snow builds up in the pedals and/or cleats, and sometimes can't clip in instantly, hence the combo pedals.

@gcn

10 ай бұрын

Do you still ride a road bike throughout the winter?

@kekkonenprkl

10 ай бұрын

@@gcn Yes i do. Canyon Endurace AL for the winter. Takes 35mm CX tyres for the snow and even studded tyres for the most slippery part of the winter. Also the city takes great care of the cycling paths through the whole winter. This is actually a quite nice video of the winter upkeep of our cycling infrastructure in Oulu, Finland. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5ysj5Rvd8mpcrg.html

I use pd-es600 pedals. They are technically a touring pedal, so look and work like a road pedal but use spd cleats. Really light and slow me to use one pair of shoes for both road and mountain.

I was taught pedalling at the cycling school of the Paris Jacques Anquetil velodrome 50 years ago, on track and road. We used clips with leather straps and cleats that had to be nailed to the shoes. I stopped biking in the 80s and when I returned, I discovered the clipless systems with joy gratitude. Having experience of the 3 systems (including the ancient one ;) ) and being more on the touring than racing practice, I confess a preference for the MTB system, for walking in particular, whether in town or on muddy or rocky paths. The greatest virtue I find in the road system is that the platform being longer and wider, pressure feels like it is more directly applied to the pedal and energy gets more efficiently transferred to the bike. Sorry to be long, but one thing more: I'm not nostalgic of the ancient system at all, especially as now I'm in my mid-60s and my leg joints have undergone much wear and tear. Being able to fix the cleats and pedals with a bit of lee way allows my feet to twist a bit on the bike to avoid excessive tension in the oinees and ankles, and this I am thankful for.

@s.j.5850

4 ай бұрын

It makes more sense if you are not racing. Most of us are recreational cyclists. Practicality dictates the MTB pedal hands down.

I have begrudgingly moved to SPDs for some of my riding. Flats have been absolutely fine but clipless pedals have helped me manage knee pain, presumably because of the narrower stance.

Riding in coastal North Carolina, where it is often hot and very humid, SPD pedals and Shimano SD5 sandals keep my toes happy. At any temperature above 55, the shoes come off and the sandals on. The SD5 sandals are stiff enough to transfer effort onto the pedals, yet comfortable enough for walking about town. I'm cycling in sandals 9 months a year.

Just did the transition from SPD to SPD-SL, coming from gravel/mtb i just stuck to the spd‘s on my first road bike. After a year only riding my road bike and getting a second one now I got SPD-SL pedals for both of them, and I gotta say, it just feels way better and safer and more effective with the SPD-SL. It’s probably just subjective, but I’m happy I made the transition.

I decided to go with Shimano PD-ES600 for my only gravel/road bike. They are being marketed as for commuting, but in fact are great for both road and gravel rides as they are one-sided SPD and that cuts down some weight + somewhat aerodynamic. A recreational cyclist like me would benefit from an SPD type because of their versatility.

@leifgonzales6045

10 ай бұрын

Same here. Good coverage at the bottom of the shoe compared to other SPDs.

Very thorough treatment of this subject. I started road cycling with metal cleats hammered onto leather soled shoes clipped into quill pedals with toeclips and Binda toestraps, including track stands at traffic lights. Skipping some steps, I road Speadplay zeros on my road bike with cafe covers in my pocket. Given that my cycling is now best described as touring speed, I find that MTB pedals and shoes works best for me on all my bikes-road, gravel, mountain. I don‘t notice any difference from a smaller contact surface with the latest Shimano XTR pedals and Sidi shoes. I felt a bit scandalous for some years but now can‘t see it any other way, for me that is.

1st May 2024 was my first use of SPD pedals from pedals with open toeclips. The Shimano pedals came with SM-SH51 clips, but even with pedals set to the easiest release, I found it difficult to clip out! I had a couple of falls, the first practically outside my house. Then I found out about the multi-release clips SM-SH56 and they are a game changer. I have 3 pair of shoes and one, the Giant Bolt can be used with the two or three bolt systems.

I had Look pedals for years, I wanted to get a power meter having looked into all the options I went with the Wahoo power play. For my commute and casual road riding arguably I should have gone SPD but I am very happy with my choices. There is also something to be said for my pedals, head unit, speed sensor, heart rate monitor all being in the same ecosystem.

For the longest time, I didn't own a road bike and had no experience of any road pedal system. Yet every time I rode on road for any longer period of time, I wondered why there is always so disturbingly much play in the system. I also tried Crankbrothers' pedals, but they weren't any better than SPDs. Then I bought a road bike and decided to also buy road pedals (which happened to be Look Keos), and new shoes as well. What a difference it made! A stiff and stable platform with no unwanted play whatsoever and very efficient power transfer, even though my shoes had nylon soles (not carbon ones)! Nowadays I would never even consider riding a road bike with anything other than road pedals anymore; there has to be a significant risk of having to walk for me to choose the MTB pedals. Still, if you're not on the road, or just touring or commuting. it is like Manon says: the MTB pedals win out.

Always used spd. Originally as i was starting out they were easier to get the hang of. Then as i upgraded my road bike realised the range had expanded so i could have the look of a road cleat pedal but with the practical elements of spd and no need for new shoes!

I'm in my 70s and used the old toe clips with leather straps in my teenage years and beyond. Probably ten years ago I moved to SPD pedals and now have them on my four bikes, road and gravel leg powered and road and mtb e-bikes. I swap between flats and SPD on the e-mtb, depending on the terrain I'll be riding. On the gravel bike I have SPDs but with a larger body that almost mimics flats. I ride a few times a week with a bunch of retired friends and most are on SPDs. Two or three are on the LOOK style road pedals and a few don't use cleats at all.

Manon, you've got me at "sole purpose in mind". Love you!

I just switched to SPD, in my case they are holding my foot even better. I couldn't find any reason why they would be any worse. Nice to heqr that this video confirms it. Also got the Shimano RX8, which hold my foot really well. For anyone not racing its probably the future

I‘m still using SPD-SL for like sporty rides, when commuting I simply put on some pedal adapters and e voila: you can use every sneaker you want.

I've learned from my bigger size to go big with the pedals. I started with rattrap / toe clips for over a decade (yes I'm that old). After one broken collarbone I moved up to Looks that are a bear to walk on then speedplays which are great to pedal with for quieting your pedal stroke but not the greatest for us 200 lb+ riders even with Carnacs. From my early Hoo-Koo-E-Koo riding I learned that a bigger pedal platform seemed to help with foot pain. Now I've standardized on DA-SPD's with the surrounding platform. I've learned that even carbon shoes have some flex in the soles so you're better off with a larger pedal platform for all my bikes be they fixed cog, cyclocross, commuter, Xcountry 26, Xcountry 29 and one road. My '84 Fisher still has big flats and my 90 Neenan still runs lollypops.

I have been using Shimano A600 and E600 pedals on my road bikes for years. They are one sided alloy bodied and use SPD cleats. Comfy, support like a road SPD SL pedal, but absolutely indestructible and can use touring shoes.

As a roadie, I use MTB SPD with road shoes. I live in the Bay area, CA so we run into stoplights quite often. Being able to clip in/off on both sides really help.

@Crafftyyy

10 ай бұрын

I ended up going with a knockoff version of speedplays for this reason right here.

Learned on SPDs, stayed with them. Wear very light carbon-soled S-Works XC shoes and use XTR pedals which have a platform cage. Work brilliantly together. Usually/always riding road.

I use 4 different types currently. SPD on my rigid Mnt bike & gravel bike, pegged flats on my full susp Mnt bike & FAVARO KEO on my climbing road bike then Speedplays on my TT bike. I use to use Sampson pedals in 1990’s….just look them up and see how it was for the lightest pedal of that time!

Thank you this was helpful.

I ride SPD's on both Road and Mountain bikes. I use the Shimano Pontoons on my road shoes and also find them easier to walk in. Having one type of pedal and two types of shoes the best solution 👈🏻😎

thanks,. useful and easy to understand ..

We have the Shimano SPD pedals that are flat on one side for the gravel bike. This way, my wife can ride it (flat trainers) and I can use the clip-in MTB shoes. That way I don't have to keep switching pedals. Have the same pedals on our indoor training bike as well. Works great. Thanks for the video. Very informative.

@gcn

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Steve!

Been riding SPD pedals for at least 25 years, bike commuting, rec riding and thousands of miles/kilometers bike touring. They are mounted on easily walkable mountain bike shoes. Before SPDs it was toeclips with various shoes.

I'd been looking forward to this video since it was mentioned in the GCN show. I was really hoping for some data on the power differences between SPD and SPD-SL.

@MischkaSi

10 ай бұрын

There is none, why would there 😂

Thank you for this! 🙏🏻

I've always used SPD (for mountain and now for road) but thank you GCN for showing a gravel shoe 🤯 which might be the other option for me.

I use Crankbrothers Candy pedals on all of my bikes - being able to walk off the bike is much more important to me than saving a tiny bit of weight or a tiny bit of power transfer.

SPD on Gravel, but will fit SPD to the Road bike when I'm climbing in wet conditions just for safety reasons. Have both Road shoes & Gravel shoes for any given condition.

Road cleats allow for better adjustment if you have knee or foot issues. For that reason I use them for any type of distance biking. The only time I use spd is for full on trail riding where I need to get the foot off the pedal quickly to avoid a crash or into the pedal easily due to terrain issues.

Single side Road SPD's (ES600) on the roadbike and same shoes for both, I love the little bit play they have and they feel more comfy also with cliping in/out (one sided clipping in needs some practice and the paint is banged of the pedal during clipping in after a while), only negative is that the "white" shoes like a lot of road cyclist prefer (like the pro's) are not easy to get in a SPD version, but fancy colors like green, brown are more available in SPD version shoes.

The fist pedal video that I’ve seen that is actually helpful. Been using cheap mtb shoes which are not stiff, looks like it’s a pair of Gravel shoes for me then..

Still riding my Onza MTB pedals I bought in 1995. Still riding in the Shimano SPD shoes I bought at the same time. I ride nearly daily. I haven't even had to change the laces in the shoes!

I have been using SPD pedals on both my road and off-road bikes for years, and just use the same pair of off-road shoes for both disciplines.

I've ridden road for 10+ years and still use SPD pedals - the single sided lightweight ones. The bigger challenge is finding SPD compatible shoes that aren't too overbuilt. Shimano used to make a perfect pair of 'touring' shoes - the RT82s - but these arent around anymore.

I do both sports and I prefer SPD. Also for commuting to work too. One pair of shoes for all three bikes across the board

Wahoo speedplays on my road bike , Time Atac pedals on my gravel bike . Really like the float of the Speedplays and the convenience , durability of the Time Atac pedals

SPD all the way ! Tried Look black & Red when they 1st came out but never really felt the love. Whereas the lovely float and easy release of the SPD was just great right from the get go.

Shimano makes some nice Ultegra SPD road pedals. People seem to forget that SPD is not purely intended for MTBs.

@JonathanHair

10 ай бұрын

I think these are no longer in production. I have a set. But now the SPD road offering is intended for low performance bikes.

@kekkonenprkl

10 ай бұрын

@@JonathanHairDo you mean the PD-ES600 pedals, that are marketed as Ultegra level? Availability seems quite good right now, are you sure they are OOP? Or is it a recent change and the stock is still good.

@JonathanHair

10 ай бұрын

@@kekkonenprkl ahh yes, you are right. Didn't realize those were Ultegra branded. Still exist. My pair are older and look different.

When I first started cycling I got the Ultegra pedals and cleats I came to stop couldn’t unclog in time and went crashing down! Now I use Mtb double sided pedals and cleats never had a problem much easier all round as a senior cyclist.

I'll go with the mtb type for sure👍 keep doing it thing Manon ❤👌

I have a gravel bike with SPD platform pedals, flat on one side so I can use regular shoes if I want a quick spin around with the kiddos. I have a cheap road shoe to go with it.

I always use SPD, saving requiring additional kit between road and gravel bikes.

For Look Keo there are rubber cleat pedal plate savers which makes it more easy to walk around and to save the cleats from getting teared from walking on the ground. For the pedals there are also plates which can be clicked in and flatten the pedal so that normal shoes work with the pedals.

Currently on SPD-SL on my road bike. Will go back to SPD when I need new shoes as I’m much more of recreational, Audax, bike packing type rider these days.

I originally started with road bike cleats but eventually switched to MTB ones when after trying it out for a while. No performance difference for me, way more convenient. Then I got mixed pedals with a flat side for commuting and now I find myself using the flag side more often even when I have my cleated shoes on. It is just a bit more comfortable when you can occasionally switch up your foot position a bit and my times seem to stay the same either way...

@5:20 Whoa whoa. Plenty of shoes out there with mounting holes for both SPD and SPD-SL cleats.

This is one of the great aesthetic debates of cycling and seems to be peer-group driven. I’m nowhere near any decent level of cycling and ride for fun and exercise and I’ve tried both systems. However, for ease of engagement and longevity (things are bombproof!) SPD pedals for me.

Don't forget that 20 some years ago, Shimano came out with a SPD single sided road pedal and shoe that lasted a year or two. It was called SPD Road. Two bolt carbon shoes, with a metal spd type cleat. Campy also came out with a similar pedal/shoe, at the same time, except that it was a tiny three bolt metal cleat.

@ska042

10 ай бұрын

Dunno what you mean about it lasted a year or two. There are still one sided SPD pedals for the road to be had today. Google Shimano PD-ES600.

My first clipless is SPD, so easy to walk around, no hassle in clipping in and out. After 2 years, I use Keo pedal for roadbike and find out it's easy enough since I'm used to SPD, but have to admit it's not as practical as SPD. It's a trade betwern comfort and performance

SPDs on a road bike is a way to go for me too! More convenient, can use the same shoe for road and XC-MTB.

After slipping and sliding like a penguin through a cafe on a slightly oily patch I ditched road bike shoes & went mountain bike pedals & shoes. Newer model gravel shoes have all the benefits of a road bike shoe, come in wider options but allow off bike ease of walking. Handy not just for cafe stops but when hill steepness defeats & need to push bike uphill are a saviour.

I use Look Keo road pedals on my road bike and Crank Bros MTB pedals on all my others. The Fizik Vento Overcurve is a nice off-road shoe that has a very slim profile sole which you can get away with using on the road, looks-wise. It's what I use on my all-road bikes with MTB pedals. Cafe stops, no problem.

@gcn

10 ай бұрын

Do you have two sets of the shoe or do you switch over the cleats depending on which bike you're riding?

@nerigarcia7116

10 ай бұрын

@@gcn I have two sets of shoes. The Vento Overcurve only has the 2-bolt system. So, I have road shoes and off-road shoes but if I was going to go with one system I'd use the off-road pedal/shoe just for convenience of walking about and of course, the cafe stop. I'm not racing and I don't need to be super aero so it's more practical, but like Si, I tend to setup my road bikes for the road.

Recently switched from SPD to SPD-SL because I couldn't find any MTB shoes that could comfortable fit my ultra wide feet. Because MTB shoes are reinforced at the toes to protect them from rocks, which caused numbness for me on long rides. My new shoes (Lake CX201) are pretty much a carbon sole wrapped with an elastic mesh. Finally my feet are comfortable when riding. I thought walking in them would suck, but tbh it doesn't feel too different.

I have been riding mountain bike pedals (Speedplay Frogs until they stopped making them, and now Look SPD compatible pedals,) on all of my bikes, road, mountain or city commuter. I have two artificial knees and I like a little more float, which the Frogs were great at, and the Looks are OK.

Shimano once produced an SPD-style urban pedal with a unique design - it was one-sided. The primary advantage of this model was its integration of a sleek, road profile pedal with footwear that offered practical walking comfort. This combination made it an ideal choice for extended, week-long cycling events such as RAGBRAI, where riders often disembark to explore towns on foot.

@dr.navidsoltani4326

10 ай бұрын

Es600

@geoffreyhoney122

10 ай бұрын

I have those very pedals on my touring/go everywhere bike and they are a

Cleat covers for SPD-SL/Look pedals work reasonably well to provide some traction on road bike shoes (and keep the cleats from getting dirt in them if you're not just walking on pavement/floors). Probalby not a substitute for gravel/MTB riding but good enough for the cafe run or other brief walks while on a road ride.

@paulmcc2006

10 ай бұрын

Just something else to carry around. Pockets already are full.

@shannontrainer5857

10 ай бұрын

@@paulmcc2006 Cleat Covers don't take up much space in your pocket.

@briangermann5567

10 ай бұрын

I use my clip covers at work when I commute with no problem (and it gives me plenty of opportunities to talk about cycling and my bike!).

I have both in the form of my Garmin Vector 3 dual sided "watt-pedals", with a mountainbike/SPD conversion kit. Due to commuting I'm only using the mountain/SPD pedals, since grocery shopping is a total nightmare in road/SPD-SL pedals + walking in the road/SPD-SL clamps sound like you are walking in high heels. With that said, I feel and see a significant difference in performance when it comes to the 5-10 second sprints. It feels like the mountain/SPD pedals only offers 80% feeling of stability and ensurance that you won't unclip, where the SPD-SL pedals feel rock solid and it is the bending bones that set the limit (at least that is how it feels). I actually see a 500W difference in peak power, and 100-150W difference in a 10 sec sprint - and it is the road/SPD-SL pedals that wins in performance. But I am still loyaly only using my mountainbike pedal setup, because they win in all other categories than the sprint :)

My first clipless were SPD on my mountain bike, but when I added a road bike in 2007......and a pair of better SPD pedals to go with it....I found after about a year I was getting hot spots on my feet, I assume from the longer distance riding on the road bike. Cue the better pedals being transferred to the mountain bike and SPD-SL for the roadie. And that's been the arrangement ever since. I think a more rigid shoe might have me looking again at an all-SPD set-up but with my current shoe setup the split between SPD-SL and SPD makes sense as I just don't have any MTB shoes that are quite THAT rigid.

I think your channel is great and watch every new video. I ride back and to work all year round and these are not good for me in the winter! as you need big boots and thick socks to keep your feet warm I have thought about getting some for the LATE spring, Summer and early Autumn? then change them when I put my winter tiers on?

I'm using SPD on my road bike. Important things to mention: There ARE one-sided clip SPD pedals that weigh pretty much the same as SPD SL pedals. And there ARE shoes (my Giro Savix road shoes for example) that are compatible with bith systems.

@timauch2044

9 ай бұрын

Hi. I've seen a couple of comments about Giro Savix or other shoes supporting both SPD and SPD-SL. Forgive me, but I am not following - isn't it the cleat that you put on the shoe supports SPD and/or SPD-SL? I see that the Savix supports both the 2-hole (SPD) and 3-hole (SPD-SL) cleats directly, with no need for an adapter, but you still need attach one or the other cleat, is that correct? Hopefully I am missing something, as I'd like to find a way to choose either one system or the other on the fly. Thanks.

@chrisl.6158

9 ай бұрын

@@timauch2044 Yes, you have to attach the right cleat on the shoe. The cleats usually come with the pedals by the way (Spd pedals with spd cleats, compatible with 2 hole shoes, and spd-sl pedals with spd-sl cleats, compatible with 3 hole shoes). I think there is no adapter from Spd to Spd-Sl or the other way around. Anyways I wouldn't use an adapter. So either get the right shoe or a shoe that works with both systems (like the Savix). Did that answer your question? 🙂

@timauch2044

9 ай бұрын

@@chrisl.6158 Thanks. My goal is to use 2 different shoes interchangeably with two different bikes with different pedals; I posted that as a generic comment to this video as well. So I think you did answer the question - and my search continues. :) I actually used the adapter approach in the past and it didn't work, as I was missing a plate (it was for a Wellgo adapter) needed to make a smooth and tight connection from shoe to pedal (if that makes sense.) I rummaged around my parts bin and found that I actually had the needed plates. I added the them and tried them on my ride this morning - it worked quite well. I also found that I had a Shimano SH41 adapter and that worked even better (more stable to walk with) , so I wouldn't rule out the adapter approach, but I do agree that an SPD-SL cleat and pedal would be best for both stability and power transfer. Thanks again!

@chrisl.6158

9 ай бұрын

@@timauch2044 Interesting. Now I have a question: I thought those adapters have to be quite thick and would mess with my position on the bike. But is it just a thin metal plate? And yes, the SPD-SL may be a more pro solution if you ride in supertuck position etc. but for me SPD pedals are just fine on the road bike. With my torn ligaments on both feet I thought I have less mobility and therefore should first try SPDs. With the Savix shoe I could "upgrade" to SPD-SL at a later point, but actually I think I'll stick with SPD on my road bike.

SPD for me - essentially same efficiency, and easy to wander round a cafe, around a shop, up some stairs. I don’t race, so it is a no-brainer.

I wish this video existed before I picked my first set.. but now I have multiple bikes and shoes of both types, so I guess it doesn't much matter, once you find shoes/pedals you like, you can move them bike to bike easily enough.

The best experience I have with Shimano SPD Pedal single sided for on-road ride PD-ES600

I started with mountain bike peddals and kept them for road biking. I only need 1 pair of shoes and the clip in feel is the same for all my bikes. I would consider upgrading peddals to the larger platform if it improved stability

@BoomerangVillage

10 ай бұрын

You'll get way more benefit from upgrading to stiffer shoes than to SL pedals. in stiff shoes, the difference is not perceptible. SL pedals only real benefits are marginal weight and aero gains, but if that's what you need, you're probably already using SL pedals.

Awesome video,one of my favourites this year but TIME pedals are the best.💯👌🏻✌🏻

I have been using my Crank Brothers Eggbeaters - light, 4 sided entry on my Pinarello Dogma for years…love them. With carbon soles Sidis, I don’t feel any flex when I pedal.

I use high end MTB pedals on my BMC road bike. Living in Boston I realized years ago that I wasn’t all that comfortable starting a ride in the city with traditional road pedals because I have to ride in traffic for a while to get to the countryside. Conversely, my commuter and gravel bike has SPD’s and ride those bikes in the city all the time. I eventually made the switch on my road bike. Nothing beats MTB pedals in heavy traffic 🤷🏻‍♂️.

I use SPDs both on my gravel bike and my road bike. I’ve found that the smaller contact area between an MTB cleat and the pedal creates painful high pressure points on my foot. I’m sure more expensive shoes are would reduce the pressure, but I’m OK with using SPDs on gravel. So I use SPDs for everything.