Personally I'd love to see the first cop 👮 who pulls you, and their amazement when you prove its completely road legal 😅

@valshakespeare7749

4 жыл бұрын

Im legit officer look. No no i dont believe you your nicked mate haha

@forevercomputing

4 жыл бұрын

With a no. plate, it should come up and not a lot to worry about.

I'll keep my bike low profile, low power and slow. It already gets me where I want to in far better times with far less effort and I can tackle routes and terrains I used to push or carry the bike on my shoulders. I can still put it on my shoulders or pedal it with the pack flat. I modded the controllers to be more legal than most off the shelf bikes. On road I actually peaks at 250W and 25km/h. Off the beaten path, 1350w are about enough. Not digging trenches on the mountain paths, not throwing dirt at others faces. ~100km with a 100kg AUW (me, bike, luggage/cargo) getting 21km/h averages. But, most importantly, I'm free. Free from taxes even if EVs are exempt (for now!) free from the hassle and bureaucracy. Long time ago I was considering buying a tiny (500kg) local car and convert it. Quitted the thought when I understood the legal hassle. But I do want to see you getting your plates! I want to see more bikes, ebikes, other efficient EVs and less cars on the roads.

Sounds like he weighed it while he was sat on it 😆

@jimwright5492

4 жыл бұрын

Think your spot on there ,lol

@matrix5062

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimwright5492 Naaa, short by at least another 25 k

@jimwright5492

4 жыл бұрын

@@matrix5062 lol

@Beansswtf

4 жыл бұрын

This was actually a good thing lol.. could have upped the power if they said it was 125kg lol

@Jokestbh

3 жыл бұрын

lolololol

'250w is candle power' I p'ssed myself laughing when you said that. Fair play Andy and well done. Some people would have got nervous and bailed but you stuck to it. Keep up the vids mate.

@forevercomputing

4 жыл бұрын

That limit is just too low. If it was reasonable - 750w maybe...

@bmpowellicio

4 жыл бұрын

@@forevercomputing 750w is what the Tour de France riders use on the steepest Alpine climbs, its far too much for a ride to the shops. Bike tyres, for one thing, are not up to it.

@grmar1494

2 жыл бұрын

In France 750w is legal but it not a Bicycle it is a speed bike (a special kind of moped)

Looks like the tester did his job well and was a decent chap.

Fantastic Andy !! I can’t wait for your how to follow up video, I also have a great mid drive bike ( 1000w - 48v -20ah) which I bought a couple of years ago without genuinely knowing anything about all the rules and regulations. I ran the bike for a year or so every weekend trying to get some fitness back as I’m over 65 and really enjoyed it until I was sadly informed by a bike shop of the current e-bike law . My bike has been stuck in the garage for the past year without turning a wheel and I have gone to the extent of adding proper wing mirrors turn signals and brake lights in hope that some day someone would come along and explain the procedures to get me back on the road again ! I did try a 250w bike as a demo and could not believe how pathetic the performance was . I’m 6ft 2 - 15 stone old rugby guy . Apologies for the long winded email, however I’m sure you understand my frustration.. Thanks again for such wonderful videos....

@mikecox645

4 жыл бұрын

Just ride it ,I have the same and ride mine. Just make sure you keep somewhere near the speed limit, mine will go 26ish but I'm 16 and half stone.

@johnrhodes3350

4 жыл бұрын

I would make sure it's in good working order and just ride it sensibly.

@johnrhodes3350

4 жыл бұрын

Or please let me know if you want to sell it. mrjohnrhodes1@gmail.com

@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnrhodes3350 he's 65 FFS Let him go wild

@forevercomputing

4 жыл бұрын

The speed limit is 16mph or 15.5mph 250w, but 350w is permitted in use with a quick boost. As long as you're pedalling, and no going stupid fast - like over 20mph, you should be fine.

What did you do about tyre markings? I take it normal bike tyres don't have what's required or am i wrong?

One of the best ways to help decarbonize society is to relax ebike laws and get ICE vehicles off the roads. People will save a fortune and also get fitter. This is how you know if the government are serious about tackling the climate emergency. Naturally, the fossil fuel industry doesn't approve and won't go down without a fight, so they will lobby hard against it. They cannot be allowed to win.

@danieltabrizian

4 жыл бұрын

I get where you come from, but imagine this: They relax the laws and require you to for example only send in fotos of the bike you are trying to get road certified. Some crackhead will one day make a yanky ass brake system and get it road certified. Few months go by and this guy hits a pedestrian, not only landing himself but also someone else in hospital. The ambulance was called and tried its best to get to them asap burning allot of fuel in the process. After getting them to the hospital the amount of electricty packinging logistics involved in caring for them both will massivly offset the impact the ebike had on carbon emissions by long shot

@JC-un4bg

4 жыл бұрын

Andy Lee Robinson that specilized creo looks amazing. In USA it can do 27 mph .ours 16 .hopfaly when we leave the eu it might change

@canturgan

4 жыл бұрын

Expect a government announcement within the next two weeks.

@the.communist

4 жыл бұрын

@@danieltabrizian get out of here

@FarmerFpv

4 жыл бұрын

Better off making an Ally not an Enemy with an industry that has the government by the nuts, that's where so many of you are trying to go down the wrong path, one that will never be won.

Well done, looking forward to the next video,outlining what needs to be done. Excellent work.

Andy, as you have alot of experience with electric bikes, could you help me maybe solve an issue? i tried searching and i can't find anything

Salutes. Did the test centre inspect the wiring, battery inside the bike?

what brakes do you use please? loking for legal ones myself

how do u get compulsory insurance for something you made ur self?

This one makes me hopeful!! Reading up on how to register online is proper intimidating and there's loads of conflicting information

@forevercomputing

4 жыл бұрын

Get a copy of the MVSA manual.

Where is all the videos on this build for the Msva test as I would like some ideas to road legalise my 140 quad bike all ready fitting with Indicators brake light headlights as I Vigourously searched I can only understand of a motorbike and does anyone know on here what would you class at Quad Bike and the msva requirements all help is great thanks everyone

i had to insure mine on the vin number before i sent off to dvla . cost me £99 for the year ,£55 to dvla for number ,£8 for new plate to be made up ,then tell he insurer know new number ,all done in 2 weeks .yes you have to still apply for tax but its free ,and it was done as a new bike so no mot needed.

hello mate can you link where you got that bike from , thanks

I was looking forward to this test fantastic news nice one Andy you made it look easy then again it is a very well built bike.

Hey, Andy. Just out of curiosity. Can an electric moped have pedals. I'm considering getting an e bike but the 250W seems under powered. I'm wanting mine to get to work to save money on petrol and for some exercise. So I'm wanting to know if I can deregulate a 750W bike that's limited to 250W out of the box.

@Zooumberg

Жыл бұрын

Oh I nearly forgot, I can't afford to get points on my licence as I'm a lorry driver.

Apologies if this has already been asked, but can you ride your bike anywhere you can ride a pushbike?

I'm trying to build my own L1e bike, what tyres and rims did you use? Thanks andy

Loving the updates well done 🤓✋💜💜💜

how did you find this information? i want to make one of these so bad to go to and from work in the US, but am having some difficulty finding information.

Well done Andy, can't wait to see what you'll create over the next few years and what others will do from your hard work.

Congratulations Andy. I found it interesting that it is possible to design and build a vehicle and register it. The last bike I had, a Rocky Mountain Hammer, you weren't going to get much above 50 km/h...but with a properly sized road bike, the years of strength training resulted in some fun. Some of the bikes I've seen are eye opening performance wise, although learning how much turns my eyes towards a proper electric Motorcycle. After the GROM, that is.

Congratulations Andy! Great to see your engineering talents get formal approval!!!!

Awesome, congrats! Thanks for documenting this. I'm dreading the day I have to deal with the dmv here in the U.S. - but it is a necessary evil. Will try to share the process also. Equal rights! ... keep at it, we'll get there!

Great news, super pleased for you! Thanks for sharing 😎

Loving the videos keep em comin :)

@mrjackdog

4 жыл бұрын

Even the upside down part.;)

Well done for staying with it and getting it passed 😊

What do you know about this e-bike category 'L1e-A' and how it applies in the UK?

Well done Andy :) I went through a similar hoop when bringing a German registered Triumph motorcycle into the UK. Even though the bloody thing was built here I till had to get it through MSVA so I could put Brit plates on it !

@lethal0weapon7777

3 ай бұрын

I have to do the same. how long where you at the test centre?

@zenzen9131

3 ай бұрын

@@lethal0weapon7777 Was only about an hour if I remember right. As my German plate had been cancelled they said I had to trailer the bike to the centre but in the end I chanced it and rode it there.

Great news! I admire your patience and perseverance, keep up the good work.

any one know where I would start for something similar in Spain??

Nice job how much did the test and registration cost Ave got an ebike a use for delivery's I might soup it up and register it as moped thanks for sharing your experience good job

Need some advice and want to send a pic to explain a little how can I do this??

Would a modified Twizy (i.e. non OEM battery and /or motors) have to go through something similar but for a quadricycle?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

No, if it’s modified then you can do what you want to an extent, as long as it passes it’s yearly MOT test (which is just a road worthiness test really)

do you have to insure it like a regular moped?

@DigBipper188

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. All road legal vehicles that are registered for use on British roads MUST be taxed and insured. Most EVs are tax exempt but you still have to renew your exemption.

@srspower

2 жыл бұрын

@@DigBipper188 And that's the kicker really, yes you can then do 30mph on the road BUT you can't legally ride it on paths etc anymore.

Can anyone recommend a good insurance for my ebike please? I'm on my home insurance but I don't think they would pay up if my bike got stolen. Its got a 2000w motor with pedal assist & a twist throttle and goes just over 30mph. Very many thanks 😊

@will88mph29

4 жыл бұрын

I’m looking to get something similar to replace my car commute. Will I need a motorcycle license or can I use my car driver’s license?

UK law should be like this " is ya bike safe ? yes , ok it can be insured so you have liable cover for any circumstances ,job done " not complicate the highway rules using 1800s laws

what happens when you hit some one . or thay get killed on your so call e bike.

Brilliant Andy... I know you are well into the e-science and speed thing, hence your view on the 250-watt which comes across as negative, which in my mind, are in fact fantastic assistance motors for a pushbike.. not a replacement of. My Bafang 250 does just that.. it allows me to ride even without power as a normal bike because it is still very light, plus assist me up those steeper hills or against the wind... I, like others, apart from an age thing may have other medical problems, in my case, I cannot put pressure on the chest, but this extra E-power acts as my disablement buggy (but on two wheels) allowing me the freedom to roam again... So love all e-bike classes...Horses for courses! The 250-500 watt range is fantastic for my group of rider and their needs being assistance for normal pushbike commuters... The jelly legged people., plus allow a bit of light off-roading too. Yes, boring for other e-groups who wish to turn their cycle's into E-motorbikes, say above the 500-watt range with bigger batties making them to heavy to ride as a cycle or just impractical, which is where I feel the limit before a 'motorbike' classification ends and starts. hence love what you are doing, and the info!

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I do agree with you, 250W ebikes can be ok, it’s not so much the power output I’ve got an issue with because in a geared drivetrain a 250W motor can be very useful as you are finding out, it’s mainly the 15.5mph limit where the motor cuts out, most people can pedal way faster...even if it was raised to 25mph it would make these ebikes a whole lot more useful for commuting. What you find is most 250W ebike riders chip their ebikes to unlock the top speed anyway. This mostly goes unnoticed.

@matrix5062

4 жыл бұрын

@@andykirby Thks for a reply Andy, I found the drag after the limit is reached an issue on the commercial bikes. a right pain in the Aspidextruse But on the Bafang mid-motor, the limiter is in the settings and can easily be altered, and Yes again, I can peddle faster on the downs and flats, that is true, in these cases I turn the assist to 0 and just peddle as a normal bike... No problems!

Hi Andy what is next procedure after you get the MSVA certificate? Do they apply V5c for you or you have to make another application to DVSA..? Thank you..

Is its possible to ride City Fat Tire Folding Electric Bike 36V 500W EU 45kph Hidden 17AH I don't no anything about uk electric bicycle law can ride 45kph without any licence or register please help me anyone

You can drive/ride a vehicle to a MOT station that has no MOT or tax but it must have insurance on the day of the MOT test and only to and from the MOT station

Awesome Andy . Gives us all electric guys hope 😁💯

Congrats! And thank you for the information.

Well done Andy. I somehow knew she would pass ok. Proper preparation,proffers perfect passes!!!

Congratulations... I remember talking to you at the end of Stansted airport runway and you said getting the bike registered was an absolute minefield, but you’ve done it now 👍

I got a off road on road switch wired up, won't that suffice?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it’s the 15.5mph top speed they seem bothered about at the moment. Stupid as I say you can pedal faster!

How does that work if you need a stamped VIN number? Do you just make one up yourself?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

You have to request a VIN from DVLA. It will start with the letters DVLA

Loads of great info there mate. Great video.

A happy outcome! Seems the hardest part was the actual mechanical work to limit the bike to a moped spec. I wonder how difference the process would be for a full fledged Motorcycle build.

Well done mate, doing such a great job!

Many congrats Andy. It shows there is a God lol after all. Very informative and looking forward to the follow up Vlogs on the rest of the paperwork involved

ISA helmet compulsory when riding this bike?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Yep.

9:40 Looks like your gripping the wheel so hard.. Your thumb is red! Coffee strength and excitement!

Nice one, glad you finally got it!

Great job making this happen Andy!

Well done Andy, good to see it passed the test.

How excited! Great job you done

One of the reasons why I sold my Enduro e bike was because it looks like a Motorcycle and I thought it would be a lot harder to pass an MSVA. Congratulations on the pass and making it easier to understand for others who are thinking about going down a similar Route.

Congratulations!!! Can you share the link for the required modifications and how much did you pay for test?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Test cost £85, you also need to apply for a VIN number, if you could get VIN numbers put on your frames then that would save a bit of time. Other than that all e marked lights, a good stand, reflectors on the pedals. There’s a 250 page manual on the subject if you want a bit of bedtime reading 😅

@ftamas88

4 жыл бұрын

@@andykirby is there anything in the manual which states what can be classified as "moped"? For example, I might want to get an MSVA for my high-power electric scooter if it is feasible..

@TheWebstaff

4 жыл бұрын

@@ftamas88 www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval

@MrJohnQCitizen

4 жыл бұрын

@@andykirby are the 'e' marked lights easy to come by? Do you sell them Andy?

I know you was saying yours has a Vin number but can you still do the test if you’ve just a frame number ?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

No you’ll need to ask DVLA for a VIN, just one email and they’ll send you the form. DVLAVIN@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

How do they make sure its limited to 30mph does it need to have a electronic limiter fitted?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Nope they don’t check the speed it’s purely your own declaration, same with power output.

@canturgan

4 жыл бұрын

Most of London's roads are 20mph anyway.

Congratulations Andy well done. Test looked quite straightforward in the video for your electric moped.I can imagine it must be loads of paperwork to do before the test.

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It wasn’t too bad, I think it was all the research I had to do that made it feel longer because they really don’t make things clear.

Has anyone ever done this with a high powered E scooter like a dualtron?

Well done Andy Great update on the project, this now gives you the licence to print money just start up a business to take on Sur Ron

I doubt that there is, nut I'll have a look to see if we've got a similar process over here in Aus. I'd be willing to bet though that the CTP insurance will make it a no deal.

Andy my bike has just passed the msva do I need to mot it before I can ride it on the road..

@andykirby

3 жыл бұрын

No need to MOT, if it's first registration you are clear for 3 years. Congratulations!

@funfunkydiscosdjstutz1100

3 жыл бұрын

@@andykirby Andy I wouldn't of even attempted it if it wasn't for you..big big thank you Andy.

That's excellent andy.. really chuffed for you... i look forward to your next step by step video...so want to get this done.. have a quick look at my new bike on my channel ... my tyres look abit dodgy ? .. but.. all marked up..

Well done Andy,think your first on KZread to do this ,brilliant video

I can't find anyone to insure mine who is your insurance? Mines on the boat & i may cancel

Rediculous thing is I've gone over 40 mph in my careraTDF. Why am I allowed to go faster on peddle power than I am motorised power?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s stupid.

The problem with the rules is they are limiting the wrong thing. You could just have a law that says it is legal to do X speed at X location. As in say 15.5mph on a public footpath or cyclepath but 30mph on the road but only when driven on the road not on an adjacent path. If they did this ALL cyclists would actually ride more slowly on paths and they'd be safer on the road.

Can the test be done with scooters

What do you think about the DVSA introducing an E-bike test for more powerful categories of bike?

@chefineer

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have a timescale for this idea ?

I could happily use both a 250w pas and a 1000w bike but for different rides. Like comparing tomatoes and tomato soup.

We got cycle tracks will we get e roads with solar panels street lights lol

Nice one pal. I am just building my own ebike with the help of your videos. Keep up the relevant content 👍🐻

surprised it went through first time, will be very interesting to see what the insurance will cost.

keep it up man love your vids

Hi Andy, that's great stuff! But what about insuring later that self-made ebike? Did you find any company that could insure it and would give a reasonable premium?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Ive got an update on this coming soon in the next video. Stay tuned!

Funny how they work out the class of electric motorbikes. My Evo3 is classed as a 125 but only puts out 3kw which is half a petrol 125, and slightly more than a hot Moped.

Congratulations Andy! It does seem like bureaucracy has no interest in pushing forward saving our little planet. Keep up the valient work sir.

I thought that if an eBike's power and speed exceed the specifications of the laws set up for them they merely automatically classify as a motorcycle and would then only require a license, permit and insurance to ride like a motorcycle does. Am i wrong?

Thanks Andy for this video

I want to keep my motorcycle type e bike a bicycle in America because I get a lot more privileges and less cost so for me it all about how can I put pedals on a motorcycle and convince the law man its a bicycle? Trying to test my bike into a motorcycle seems counter productive

Hell yeah Andy! Congratulations!!!

That's great news, well done Andy. I started watching this series before Christmas with the hope of building an electric motorbike. Currently riding a 125CC but tempted to pick up a spares or repairs Mini Moto to convert to electric for shorter journeys to save on fuel and emissions. Can you remind us where you got the document please?

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Here: www.gov.uk/government/publications/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval-inspection-manual

Glad you did it to find out how hard or easy it is to do it

What do you think of the sur Ron electric bikes

@andykirby

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they are ok. They need a bit more power as standard though.

@baileywestby

4 жыл бұрын

@@andykirby do you think they are worth the money

i wish you the best of luck, in south australia we can only have 200watts no pedal and 250w pedal assist, im running a 2000w hub going about my daily doodads and lovin it . i respesct other people and be polite and do not have any issues keep up the great work!

Congratulations - super cool news! 👍👏

Great job thanks.

Well done Andy, excellent

Yeah things need to change. The speed restriction here in the states is so confusing. In CT they are restricted to 750w and 19mph. Anything faster and you have to get it tested to be road legal but other than lights, mirrors, signals, and a 30mph speed cap they don't tell you much else on the dot website.

The mot is pretty straightforward and all new imported vehicles or manufactured vehicles must have an certificate of worthiness the manufacturer usually does this and that's why new vehicles are exempt...in short you don't even need an power source to pass an mot you could literally be engine less so long as your brakes shock absorbing systems and lighting all operate within the regulations with the only engine test being exhaust emissions for petrol or diesel engines...I have had hundreds of mot's passed being an mechanic and it's really the construction and use act to which an self manufactured vehicle is exposed too during the test. .

Well done sir. You will have piece of mind riding it now. Just hope the insurance isn't too expensive!

My electric bike (that I had back in 2007) done 22mph on the flat and that was 250 watt motor. Shame it had 2 SLA batteries running at 24 volts. Not lithium batteries back then. Everyone in the house used it. Kids as well. But I did check with the police in between ordering and waiting for delivery and the police were stumped at first because as you say Andy. There is guidance up to 250 watt rating but limited to 15mph. I told the police the bike could do up to 22 mph but they said ‘if it’s on a cycle track, were not bothered’. There were plenty of cycle tracks where I used to live. I only brought the bike to go to and from work as it was local to me. Result. The police said they have more important things to do than nick someone on an electric bike. My daughter did get stopped on it once (on a cycle track) and when the copper asked what cc engine it was, she said ‘it’s electric’ and the copper said ‘oh shit. Ok off you go’. Ha ha We clocked up 600 miles on it before it had a slight accident and the frame got bent.

@paulsmith-qi3td

4 жыл бұрын

Well see this is the thing back then they where so few and so people and police had no clue, however now people are well aware of high power bikes heck I had an old guy stop me as I was parking it up at a shop asking about it and saying it looks like one of them 1000w motors and the guy must have been in his 80s, the police are not so blind to them also anymore due to the select few fools that zip through traffic and on paths at 40mph, however even the police do not seem to know the laws and I have been stopped by police twice in the last 6 months while going to work, the first cop was more interested in the bike and I was honest and told him it was restricted to 250w and 15.5mph to comply with the EPAC law and he called it in and everyone was fine and I was sent on my way, the second cop however clocked me doing 25 down a hill and under the law that is perfectly fine however he was like ebikes must not go faster than 15.5mph and I was like no that is incorrect and I told him that under the EPAC law the electric motor must only assist up to a speed of 15.5mph but that a ebike that complies with the EPAC is basically a bicycle that does not have a max speed limit other than the one imposed by the road you are on so long as it is your legs or gravity that propel you you can go as fast as you like, 20 min later I was still there and he was threatening to confiscate the bike, eventually I had him call in to check and the other person was like no he is correct and you shoulda seen the cops face he was not happy lol. But any way its what eventually made me swap back to the proper 250w motor as the large 1000w motors do stand out and ere becoming magnets to police and public.