I just bought ENT elite wheels last week and have been looking at new cassette for my old wheels (putting gravel tires on them) and you just keep putting out the right content. I hope you realize how valuable your videos have been to all of us just trying to do what we love while saving money for family and some extra bike adventures. Thanks!

u know ur so worth a membership , i dont have any but, I building a new bike right now its only cost me 780 us , that's very much because of u sir , thank you .

@kl6336

14 күн бұрын

parts?

@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte

14 күн бұрын

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@kipcc3918

14 күн бұрын

Second this, Built my 500$ dtc frame, most of Luke’s suggestions too. I now have almost a bike under 1500, yes it is a gravel bike, but built it up mostly from parts that I already have. 😅

@curtisducati

13 күн бұрын

Just built a Milani ICON from Italy , cost £10,000 but will last 50 years not 12 months if it was Chinese Tech for 10 dollar .....Never buy CCP products ....

@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte

12 күн бұрын

@@curtisducati u sound simply stupid , i hope you enjoy it

When I bought my 12-speed Dura-Ace groupset back in December 2021, it came with a 11-30T cassette. 11-34T Dura-Ace cassette could not be found anywhere so I ordered a 12-speed ZTTO 11-34T cassette from Aliexpress. That rainbow color ZTTO was incredibly light at 232g but its shifting was absolutely awful. I could adjust the rear derailleur to kind of shift from the biggest cog to the smallest, but then it won't shift back properly from small to big. If I adjusted the RD to allow it to shift from the smallest cog to the largest, it would have issue shifting from big to small. Initially, i thought it was perhaps due to how I had set up the rear derailleur. When I finally got my hands on a 11-34T Dura-Ace cassette, there was zero problem shifting from big to small, and in reverse. As soon as I replaced the Dura-Ace cassette with the ZTTO, the shifting issue I encountered before returned. So don't waste your money on the 12-speed 11-34T ZTTO cassette.

@glennoc8585

14 күн бұрын

I reckon you need the derailleur hangar to be 100% aligned with the generic cassettes as they don't have the hyperglide level of shifting

@changrenyong7616

14 күн бұрын

@@glennoc8585 I checked the derailleurs hanger. It was straight.

@cup_and_cone

14 күн бұрын

The Shimano cassette is HG+, the ZTTO ramp profile is just a copy of older individual HG cogs in whatever gearing ZTTO wants.

@jungwei2814

14 күн бұрын

The price of Dura-ace is about 3~4 times that of ZTTO, so it makes no sense to compare the two. Compared to the Ultegra, which is closer in price, the Ultegra has smoother shifting performance, but is heavier (11-34 t is 345 g). The shifting performance of the ZTTO has decreased, but the weight is light (11-34 t is 259 g, 75% of Ultegra).

@robo080888

14 күн бұрын

Funny I have DA9100 paired with the ZTTO for the same reason that I need 11-34, it been 3 years now and I have no problem.

Been using an sroad cassette on my gravel bike for over a year, on your recommendation. Super happy with it

Came for the content, end up giving some love on a shape of baguettes 🥖🥖 Thanks for the video and review

Luke really do be edging us with the Wheeltop group set. Jokes aside, I think Cassettes and Wheelsets really do determine how heavy a bike can be. Great video as always!🥖🥖🥖🥖

Been waiting for someone to do a review about this monoblock CNC cassette, but couldn't find any on Chinese websites. So eventually I put the budget on my commute gravel bike. Great video, thanks!

I run through at least 1-2 of the ZTTO cassettes annually. They are easy to know when their lifespan is pretty much up when the gears started to skip or mis-shift. Currently using the 11-30T which is an Ultegra equivalent ratio since February with EDS-TX. So far they have worked together properly once the calibration is spot on.

Just bought one. Thanks for the head up Luke 😊

Purchased!! Another great video Luke

This is great info. I’ve long balked at the prices of lightweight cassettes.

What a great video, Luke! Now, let’s see the video haha

OMG, just got myself a DuraAce 11~34 12s cassette. Was too concerned about the switching under load and the wear marks. Didn't know how wide the contact points are, thought they would be even slimmer but they look decent in your vid. Great video by the way, definitely earned some 🥖 🥖 🥖🥖

Oh oooo I have the bonus clip one currently installed 😅 thx for indicating the difference 🎉

Aluminium makes no sense anywhere near the wearable parts, those few hundreds grams less dont make any difference that is worth it to buy stuff that lasts 1/3 of distance at best. Chainrings made of it are the most ridiculous imo, you cant even find any narrow wide ones made of steel because they would literally last forever being that thick

@qwertyazerty2137

14 күн бұрын

Prowheel makes 2x steel chainrings. Not the best shifting mixed with kmc chain, but they are cheap.

@RenghisKhan

14 күн бұрын

I found a 48 narrow/wide on AE. It's a solid 4cm ring of steel and feels (and weighs) like a friggin' tank.

@BostilCensurado

14 күн бұрын

@@RenghisKhan can you post the shop name?

@gertverseput6016

14 күн бұрын

Sram makes (made?) steel narrow-wide chainrings. I have them on my mtb for years now, the things last forever. For road or gravel I´m not so sure if they are available. I don´t do gravel, but the aluminium chainrings for my roadbike last a long time.

@qwertyazerty2137

13 күн бұрын

As for NW chainrings, I've been using aluminium ones from a brand calledWuzei. I have them on three bikes. One of the chainrings has clocked several thousand kilometers in all weather conditions (winter bike) and it still looks good, so signs of significant wear. One of the bike mechanics also recommend me chainrings from brand Ekfan.

Thank you Luke!

Great review. Gonna try on for my MTB.

Thanks looking for new cassette, My shra-crap... That came on my bike really stinks. Started buying things of A.E. Been major satisfied... Thanks again great great channel

Great video Luke!

Glad I watched the bonus clip I would agree, I had ZTTO light weight 12 speed and honestly didn't last very long before the skipping started and it was worn out. I did purchase off the back of a lightweight 11 speed that had very good wear. In the end the 12 speed one got replaced with a heavier steel one. (Sunrace i think) that came in group set package and it's still going strong 3 years on.

been using over 2 years without problem and the shifting still smooth like butter under load

I have used the ZTTO meb cassettes. No problems and shifts quite well.

Took delivery of the 11-30 version of this today. The same item is also sold branded Goldix and is about £10 cheaper. Great to hear it gets the Trace Velo seal of approval, excited to try it out 🥖 🥖 🥖

I recently got the Ztto 11-34t it’s been so good so far. I expect the aluminium cogs to wear out sooner but I calculated that it should last 2 years for the amount I ride. So worth it for my scenario

@Bill-uf6os

14 күн бұрын

My original Shimano 105 cassette was replaced after 7 years.

@markk527

14 күн бұрын

just make sure your shifting is set up perfect, and you don't shift under heavy load. I snapped 2 teeth off of my aluminum cassette that way.

I stick to cassettes like the 105 for a simple reason. I spend most of my time using the same gears which wear out far quicker than the others. When they're worn out, I change 1 or 2 sprockets instead of a single monoblock-cassette, spending ~10 bucks for essentially having the same performance as a brand new cassette. I do not throw away perfectly fine working parts. The money saved on this is so much that I don't care about the weight.

I suggest to get a set of Rockwell hardness test files. Alloy composition and heat treatment play a big part in the cassettes durability long-term. In my experience the longer lasting ones had a higher hardness. Alloy composition isn't that easy to test.

@wrcompositi

14 күн бұрын

Good point! But shifting performance is equally important and hard to evaluate objectively.

Riding the ZTTO MTB casette that you showed (not exactly the oil slique, mine is just silver:D) but im putting massive watts in it and it shifts like a charm and is a pleasure to ride... absolute bonkers...!

I now have ZTTO cassettes on all my wheels (x3). All off the back off one of your reviews. I have the same 50th and it's crazy light (Think Sram equivalent was £300+).

Luke, great video as always, Do any of the chinese, Ali express , make campag compatable cassetts?

all my 4 bikes have Ztto cassettes. 3 of them have Ztto hubs. they're great! used them since 2021

Great info. Are you running sram chain as well? I run xo shifter and deralier ?

🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖 baguettes-a-go go! Hi Luke, i hope alls well and good to see two most excellent "Trace Velo" vids appear unexpectedly!! Im ashamed to say i pulled the trigger on a 12spd 11/32 ZTTO cassette for my soon to arrive Giant Defy SL! Also another Zeus 3d printed saddle as they are way more comfortable and better than Giant stock!!! All based on your recommendations buddy! Its fatal watching one of your videos Luke!!😂😂😂😂😂🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖 Btw how is your little Girl, all good i hope??? I expect the wife must be terrified of possible changes in mind for your daughters buggy im sure there are light weight tubeless carbon buggy wheels and handlebars on Aliexpress somewhere!😂😂😂😂

I also have one of those SROAD 11-28 and started to fail a little bit + makes a lot of noise. I may give ZTTO a try

Would be so grateful for a clothing episode. I’ve found some BOMB socks. But knicks would be epic.

Just what Ineed it!,Thank's a lot!

Very cool - good to know!

Ever had issues with the difference in gearings from Shimano Brands and ZTTO. I currently run a ZTTO 11-32 Casette and the middle gears are different from the known brands nad sometimes it takes awhile to click into gear

Might have to try one out along with a 3D printed saddle!

I've had two of those SRoad cassettes fail. The spider failed on both where it's pinned to the steel cassette body.

Nice video Luke. Very handy for anyone looking to renew. 🥖

Sram made these hollow casettes 15 years ago too, you can find them aswell. Theyre usually cheaper than a new one, at similsr performance

I've been using the ztto alloy/steel for some time now and the weight is very good for the money. You really wont the derailleur to be aligned and tuned in as they aren't as good as Shimano imo. I only had a bit of rough shifting when the b screw was wound out too much. The full steel woukd be my next buy just for longevity

I tend to stick with Shimano cassettes. The shifting performance just seems better to me, but YMMV

@johndef5075

14 күн бұрын

I have an Xt 12 speed cassette and a Sunshine 12 on my other bike. The xt shifts way better. Wasnt that expensive on Aliexpress either.

I never noticed I have the same laptop as you :D HP Elite X2

On my road bike, I have over 16,433 km on the cassette, a Shimano Ultegra. It changes beautifully. There are no deformations on the cog teeth. I now alternate two 11 speed chains on this bike (Shimano Ultegra both). Currently the two chains respectively have 12,967 km and 3,466 km. the first chain is running below 0.4% wear, the second at below 0.2% wear. I will remove the chains when there respectively reach 0.4% wear, ie before recommended limit of 0.5% wear, as this saves the cassette. I acknowledge I use immersive wax so long chain life / cassette life is expected. ATM I have NO idea how long the cassette will last, but I am guessing it will at LEAST double current distance. Telling me something lasted a year or more means NOTHING, telling me the distance to replacement, well that is useful. I use Shimano, not because it is cheap (they are not but not outrageously priced at Ultegra level), but because Shimano spent a LOT of TIME, MONEY and INTELLECTUAL effort. in developing chains and cassettes with incredibly smooth and accurate change qualities. I believe they deserve my money for this effort. Do these recommended cassettes last as long as mine? You did NOT give distances achieved on the cassettes or on the chains. Do the 3rd party cassettes have the level of development of the cog teeth profiles and chain links like Shimano to enhance shifting or did they just copy someone else's research work and possibly breach a patent? I applaud the maker for the technology of one piece but, if just ONE cog is worn or damaged the entire cassette is Kaput. I would be more impressed if we could buy individual cogs when something goes wrong. In the past, I have rebuilt a cassette set from spare parts rather than buying an entirely new cassette. I would like to be able to continue doing this but, a one piece cassette makes this impossible. I won't buy knock off stuff. It is unethical, detrimental to the existence of the suppliers and to the well being of cycling in general. How do you feel about knock offs?

I buy ZTTO products for years now and they have a over all absolute decent quality including the bike tools to.

Thanks again for your research work for us

Any chance for testing the xdr aliexpress cassettes? There are lightwell as well and nice alternative for people with xdr freehubs

Impressive & much more affordable.

those mountain bike cassettes have competition btw! the microshift advent X 11-48 is very light (can't remember but lighter than XT and GX), and can be had for DIRT cheap, I bought a bunch from wiggle for 25 pounds!

Should do an aliexpress tt/triathlon bike build

Hi Luke! Can you confirm how is backpedaling on 28t cog and small chainring? Does chain remain stable or drops on sprocket below? I would appreciate your kind confirmation! Cheers! 🥖

In ztto 11-32 12speed the 14t has a faulty profile and chain skips if you push over some torque. From the very first ride with new chain.

Ordered the cassette the other day come super fast. Not bought form Aliexpress before so was surprised how fast it came. Any tips of a road bike seat post.

Any alternative for Cannondale spider crankset? Thank you!

I don't like the black coating, but if these prove to be better than Sroad/Spedao in the long term, I will definitely get one.

Hope the ztto ones are better than the sroad ones. Had two or three sroad cassettes and shifting went off pretty quick - thats with sram etap, it just struggled to shift mid block as though it was a badly adjusted cable set up

The XD ztto cassete for mtb has a very fragile interface with the removal tool. I wish they would fix that

I would like to like this. It would take by build comfortably into 6.7 territory, but im just not convinced that the lack of full length splines won't damage the freehub. I suppose one saving grace is it will only damage the first 8 mm hence possible to dremel out and revert back to full length splined ultegra. Be interesting to see how the freehubs fair with time.

🥖I own ztto cassette similar to the one you showed on the end of the clip and it is absolute garbage - impossible to set the shifting correctly on the two smallest cogs on mechanic ultegra rear deraileur. Watching this video I was thinking it is the same you presented but seems not the case. I might give it a try. Is there really no skips and works flawlessy on shimano mechanical groupset?

I wish you released this video before I ended up buying my ultegra groupset. I was going to buy the ztto mono block but thought to myself is there a compromise given it’s so much lighter? Kicking myself now I spent more money and could have had a cracking product from ztto.

I think it would only be appropriate to compare them if you've ridden both. But I also have a ztto 11s 11-50 on my gravel bike which has worked absolutely fine but it has only 200k on the clock and there are already some teeth not looking good anymore. But the difference from 200 Euro to 80 is probably worth it. Here also can't tell the difference to the original which would be a Garbaruk I guess. Thanks for the video!

For years I've been using a torque wrench to tighten the lock nut up to the specified 40 nm and this did not prevent my freehubs from getting bite marks. The problem is with this is more about the aluminium alloy whicg most of freehubs are made today and it is simply softer compared to steel sprockets of the cassette. For comparison, for years I've beem riding mavic ksyrium equipe wheels which had a steel freehub and guess what - apart from slight surface rusty stains, no bite marks at all.

@wrcompositi

14 күн бұрын

When tightened to the same 40Nm, does a alloy lock ring press tighter on the cassette? I ask because the steel lock ring has those deep knurls that binds on the sprocket, and therefore it seems to need more torque to achieve the same tension force than a smoother alloy lock ring. I mostly use alloy lock rings when possible and tighten to 40Nm, so far I've not had deep gouges on my hubs but I'm not very powerful. I wonder why steel inserts on the alloy cassette body are not commonly adopted, it's not complicated nor expensive to make. Only some Taiwanese hub markers such as Novatec/Bitex/Hubsmith use that kind of design.

@qwertyazerty2137

14 күн бұрын

​@@wrcompositi I used lock rings both with these knurls and without and it did not make any difference. As for the steel inserts for the alloy freehub splines, I have a wheelset from a polish brand Dandy Horse which has their own branded hubs (probably bitex) and the freehub had these inserts which were absolutely rubbish - not only did they not prevented bite marks, but quickly they became loose and fell out as they were attched to the splines by means of simple pins going inside the splines just with tight fit.

When are you going to review the wheel set you have on your bike?

I have the ztto on both of my MTB, I have the cheap heavy version and the 'expensive' light one. Both are working flawlessly, Thanks god for china.

I bought a trw one (the same thing)for my lightweight bike. But some of the sprockets aren't parralell to one another which results in awful shifting. Since then I've only bought Shimano ones.

I've got a low end SRAM cassette on my 1x setup and I think I'm going to try SROAD when it wears out because a 11-36 is pretty heavy in traditional form. 🥖🥖

3:50 actually the reason freehubs get damaged is because the individual steel cogs on shimano is very thin and this will act like a knife cutting through butter but if the contact area is wider the chance of this leaving a mark on the freehub is much much lower

Ive been running a rainbow ztto 11-32 cassette since October went for it because of weight, price and the reduced wear on the freehub I’ve put like 100-150kms a week on it and the shifting started degrading significantly around mid April (so like 6 months of use) and mid May I went back to a Shimano cassette and the shifting quality is day and night I double checked and I do have the all steel version I really hoped this would last more but I think a single Shimano cassette could outlast at least 4 of this mono blocks

@enuazeal

14 күн бұрын

mine shimano 105 11-28t cassette is still ok after 20k kilometers. replaced it with dura-ace 11-30t last winter just because i got a great deal for it, it was 80eur with around 1000 km in it, it is titanium and steel and it will last for thousands and thousands kilometers

What's the weight on that Ztto mountain bike cassette?

Tengo un cassette Sunshine 11-46 10V, y hasta ahora, todo perfecto. El cambio es Shimano RD-M 5120 y mando 4100.

I don't like the looks of the blue lock ring. Could I use a ZTTO cassette with a shimano 11t lock ring instead?

My freehub is HG spline L2 shimano 12 speed 105. Does ZTTO fit?

On the ones that are part aluminium, i assume thats because youre meant to "use" those gears less, so the wear/weight trade makes sense?

I've bought the cheap sun race years ago. Still going strong

@TraceVelo I am really enjoying the "Sunshine" mtb/gravel cassettes that have the largest cogs (3 or 4 depending if it's 10, 11 or 12 speed) machined from a block of aluminium. Yes, the aluminium gears will wear faster, but since it's only the largest cogs (used less frequently and for shorter periods of time) I expect to get decent life out of them.

@chris1275cc

14 күн бұрын

It's more the sheer number of teeth those high cogs have to share the load.

My Ztto cassette had horrible shifting :S the 9 to 42 mtb cassette

Whether or not the freehub gets chewed is down to the hardness of the metal of the freehub body. Many watts wont hurt as long as the freehub is a harder material than the cassette. I had a no name carbon wheelset (cheeeap) and i had to knock the freehub off with a heavy tool because it was so embedded in the freehub. *knock the cassette backwards to ge itt to disengage the freehub, not knock it straight off while its stuck.

Shimano cassettes shift beautifully for years. I love Dura Ace, but no need on cassettes, brakes or pedals - 105 or Ultegra is fine

Still waiting for the Fuz-away sponsorship :)

I’m not ashamed to say I have a few of the ztto bits across my bike . No complaints so far , especially for the dang for buck .

Mmh I have mtb casettes from ztto, sunshine and meroca. The only problem that i have is that the screws (like on the last you show) that hold the smallest tooth rings in place will go lose with the time. That only is to view when remove from the hub. I prefer cassettes with the smalles 3-5 gears lose and not on the cassette body

been using em for a few years now.... The SRoad ones I find start skipping after approx. 8 months or so... (obviously, depending how much you ride!) - got em on all my bikes... incl. the eMTB.. swear by them! (got the Ztto ones on my Gravel and my eMTB and after 1 year.. no skips!) I would never buy another BRAND name again... infact, that goes for anything to do with cycling!! If you do your due diligence on the companies on Aliexpress...you could be like me, and have your favourite stores that you know won't send you BS! and.. if u have a problem, immediately refund or replace!! I buy EVERYTHING!! and have only had a handful of duffers... and that was long ago! I mean, c'mon.. only idiots or ppl with too much money (seems to be alot of em!) pay them big brand prices!! haha...The only thing I have left of when I was an "idiot" (5+ years ago now) is 1 set of Meilenstein wheels (tubs) (sold my other 2 sets! yup, to IDIOTS!! haha...for a fortune too!) I even managed to STOP an IDIOT "rich" client of mine to not buy a set of lighteights and buy the Winspace Hypers.. which he did, and loves!! same client has a Sroad cassette on his super dooper expensive F12 too!!! - well done bud.. good review...

On our local market, the DA cassettes is about 150 USD, we won't buy the shimano spares & parts by the fully retail price. And the local shimano staff is a little angry about we won't buy the parts from the official store. LOL

so that dont have the issue the sroad have with shimano rd, like you mention in the other video, cuz just bought a light riro cassette (162gr 32t) and the shifting its rubbish most of the time only have 10 of the 11s

I appreciate all of your videos, including this one, but I'll stick with my Shimano Ultegra 11 speed cassette for $55. Sure, it's about 150g heavier than that one, but I don't race my bike so I'm just looking for the best value. I've ridden these Ultegra cassettes for years, and I like them. Heck, if I was going to change from the Ultegra cassette, I'd go to the 105 cassette for $43. 105 is a hell of a work horse group set.

@stevegeek

14 күн бұрын

That’s a good price…I guess you are in US. Here in UK we get ripped off and pay a lot more than that 😢

@shepshape2585

14 күн бұрын

@@stevegeek I’d feel bad for you, but you get free healthcare, so you’re still way ahead of the game.

@stevegeek

13 күн бұрын

@@shepshape2585 Haha…true, we do have the NHS, although it’s struggling to meet demand currently, so best not get sick! 😉

Im riding sunrace casette with sram xx1 deraileur (and shifter) and pcx1130 chain and i must say that without any load its perfect, but one (just one!) gear when im riding rattles. Im a little bit OCD so it makes me furious. I tried all the extremes cable tensions, cleaned the chain twice, lubricated, nothing seems to fix it. I wonder if its the cassette, chainline, offset, or maybe even wrong chain... So many variables to eliminate to troubleshoot the issue.

RIRO Cassettes are fvcking amazing, CRAZY light like 150g for an 11s HG 11/28…!! They even do a 12s version now, up to 11/34! If only they did a XD version for Sram! 10/34 come on RIRO DO IT!!

@tomalbert3299

14 күн бұрын

Similar to the ones in the bonus clip, just much more expensive and not lasting as some sprockets are from aluminium. Better stay with Lukes recommendations.

@SamuelBlackMetalRider

14 күн бұрын

@@tomalbert3299 much lighter.

@josecamilojimenez2784

14 күн бұрын

@@tomalbert3299 nonono, you are confused, RIRO cassettes are made from chromoly, and they are faaar better quality compared to the sroad and similar cassettes, the only downside is the price, RIRO cassettes are as expensive as original shimano/sram cassettes

@georgec2894

14 күн бұрын

The largest two cogs are made from aluminum alloy. So that's 2/11 or 2/12 of your cassette... and unless you're spending lots of time in those two larger cogs, it could be an ok way to save weight. Assuming you only use those cogs when in your smaller chainrings at the front, the larger articulation angle of the chain of those larger cogs means that they won't wear as fast as if you had, for example, your middle cogs made of aluminum. Then again, the 50g difference between a Riro and a goldix/ZTTO cassette is (only) worth around 2-4 seconds up the Stelvio... be we all just WANT a sub-150g cassette at a decent price, right?! As for price, wait for Prime day or one of the big AE sales and a RIRO cassette can be had for £60-70 before tax.

@SamuelBlackMetalRider

14 күн бұрын

@@josecamilojimenez2784 no they’re not as expensive as the top end Dura ace & Shimano!! Got my 11s 11/33 180g for 110€

1. Don’t grease your freehub splines, lest you enjoy Road grit and grime sticking to it and turning into a nice grinding paste 2. 40nm is fuck all and 3. 4:32 the lock ring is not what transmits the torque to the freehub, its merely to stop them falling off and it’s not like a tapered BB axle so it makes no difference how tight it is. It’s the splines themselves taking the load and the bite marks happen when running a cassette block made of individual steel sprockets bolted together, on an aluminium freehub body, as steel is harder than aluminium and the load is concentrated through each sprocket, instead of distributed over a wider area, like when multiple sprockets are riveted to an aluminium carrier. To avoid this: only use steel splined sprockets on steel freehubs and alloy on alloy.

My mang using freedom numbers with the metric system is blowing my mind

Could you do aliexpress leather saddles?

It's crazy, but to be expected, how Chinese bike manufactures have caught up and are now supplying quality components in direct completion to the mainstream manufacturers. It's going to be an interesting few years to see who survives.

Would these compete in terms of smooth shifting under load with shimano’s hyperglide and hyperglide+? From what I’ve seen those designs are patented and make a difference in smoothness both up and down the cassette

@chris1275cc

14 күн бұрын

In my experience, Standard HG YES (I think the patient may have expired on that anyway, so that is for all intents and purposes what these Ali-Ex cassettes are, in all but name) HG+ Not quite, but in really it's something you notice when the bike is in the work stand, not so much in actual use.

@gertverseput6016

14 күн бұрын

According to my own experience with Ali mtb-cassettes and the mix of reactions here I think there is no way of knowing for sure if the thing will shift good. Some will shift fine, some decent, some will shift like shit. I like my shifting to be better than decent so I will, for now, not be taking another guess and will stick to Shimano for road and mtb. The best shifting ones will maybe be about on par with hyperglide, but nowhere near hyperglide+. Not that I need hyperglide+, but it´s nice to have.

I have seen many vids and forum threads stating that ztto or any other Chinese 10-50/52T shifts like shit with sram eagle axs. Can you please test and/or confirm?

sadly you miss out on hyperglide+ with chinese 12 speed cassettes, which might not be worth it. But for 11s its a solid option 🥖

@Jarek.

14 күн бұрын

Exactly! I’d love to see a comparison of shifting quality vs Shimano HG+ cassette

I've been riding the SROAD cassettes for a couple of years now and just bought a ZTTO one for my SRAM AXS bike. Shifting seems to be the same as on my Shimano and SRAM cassettes.

@wrcompositi

14 күн бұрын

Will you recommend ZTTO over SROAD?

@dperreno

13 күн бұрын

@@wrcompositi I bought the ZTTO as it was the only one compatible with my AXS hub. Both seem to work well, get the one that suits your requirements.

I dont know how it is possible to machine such a complex shape out of steel for that price.

@TraceVelo

11 күн бұрын

I guess it's just an economy of scale. Make enough of anything, and you can get the price down.

How many miles does a typical cassette last on a road bike?

Did you try their chains? Any good AlieExpress chains recommendations for road and MTB?

@chris1275cc

14 күн бұрын

YBN, but they kind of transcend the AliExpress moniker to be honest, as they have been turning out good quality highly respected 3rd party/after market chains for decades, a bit like KMC (but better IMO) they are just not as well known in the West, although because they take to hot waxing very well, and are known to be good at handling cross chaining/the more extreme chain angles we see on off-road groupsets today they have gained some popularity in recent years. I use them whenever I can.

@antipode_ghost

14 күн бұрын

@@chris1275cc Thanks. The quick links don't fail? I stopped using KMC after the quick link failed three times. SRAM's quick link never ever failed for me.

How do these compare to the hyperglide shifting feel?

@TraceVelo

14 күн бұрын

I'd be lying if i said it was just as good. Hyperglide just about has the edge, but it's not far at all!