My reaction to "reorganizing and restructuring their ENTIRE narrative department" is a resounding; "FUCK! YES!"

@AnotherFancyUser

2 ай бұрын

^ This

@s0515033

2 ай бұрын

Just remember that Mezten was writing in Warlords of Draenor and Cata, two of the worst received expansions in WoW history. Metzen and the "old writing team" are not the amazing A team you think they are... In Cata, entire zones were boiled down to memes and pop culture references. That was the quality of writing in 2010-14. People are fond of Metzen because they have been so long removed from him.

@Kristers_K

2 ай бұрын

@@s0515033 Cata and Warlords weren't the worst, not even close. They weren't perfect but they were still good. Warlords had issues with poor content execution not story/writing. Both expansions still had massive playerbases and only got lower due to lack of content. So really your claim is merely an opinion, you may not have liked em, but that's just it...an opinion.

@s0515033

2 ай бұрын

@@Kristers_K Warlords was panned almost universally as having bad writing and a nonsensical story. And cata was mocked regularly as having bad writing at the time, including the entire plot revolving around mary-sue green Jesus self-insert.

@cuchulainnenjoyer

2 ай бұрын

​@@s0515033 I would take 100 WoDs before I ever suffer through another "Rainbow Dragons Friendship is Magic"

The Sylvanas novel saved Shadowlands for me from a lore perspective. But her work, while phenomenal, was never in the games. When people said “you need to read the book to understand” it was a book written by Christie

@ghekor

Ай бұрын

I don't mind reading books, I like reading... but I hate being told to read a book to understand a games story maybe write better in-game story instead. I'm not expecting or wanting WoW to become FFXIV... but even just trying to emulate GW2 storytelling would be miles better than rn. The latest short stories for TWW were quite cool hope they keep that same writing for the game.

@epiccthulu

Ай бұрын

@@ghekor I do agree with you. This is a situation where I can see both sides of the issue. On one hand, books shouldn’t be mandatory. On the other? We know that most players skip quest log reading. Then go to youtube for someone to tell them the story. There is a middle ground, I agree with Guild Wars 2, and I think WoW needs to “retrain” the players into reading the quests

It is Microsoft Blizzard now. BIG changes are needed for this IP to have a strong future. Its fan base is growing older and new players are not flocking to their games. Adapt or die.

@Kyle_Butterfield81

2 ай бұрын

then let it die. please don't let Gen Z and the crazy faction of millennials like the game. trying to make them happy has literally ruined everything I enjoy. Id rather have WoW be dead than it continue on the path it has been or worse.

@kylonjones5678

2 ай бұрын

Maybe they make WoW free to play they’ll see an increase in numbers

@XhaouSin

2 ай бұрын

@@Kyle_Butterfield81 or go play classic old fart

@OGDweeb

2 ай бұрын

​@kylonjones5678 this has a lot to do with it. $180/year is quite a lot for a 20 year old game from the perspective of ppl looking for a new IP give a shot at.

@atomosk9937

Ай бұрын

@@Kyle_Butterfield81couldn’t agree with you more.

Her books were good. But nothing in the game felt it was affected by her at all. And nothing changed for the better regardless.

@vaethe_w

2 ай бұрын

Did she right before the storm? If so, she at least made Calia a thing

@spindoggytheexplorer2915

2 ай бұрын

@@vaethe_w Calia is guilty of treason. She had loads of potential now she’s just another failed Horde leader.

@vaethe_w

2 ай бұрын

Write*

@edwardweaver6869

2 ай бұрын

Christie is a mid YA writer. Her books are serviceable but she isn’t very good at unique ideas

@epiccthulu

2 ай бұрын

She was incredible, and was wasted. Her Sylvanas novel single handedly saved the jailer amongst lore heads

Hopefully it means less Hugcraft. As for Christy Golden, she was NOT a good author. Her novelization of Warcraft took plotlines from the games and definately reworked them into something else. I think one of the major issues with WOW's writing was Metzen was the 'narritive director' of blizzard, but he wasn't actively working on WOW, he was spread thin between Warcraft, Starcraft, and Titan, and I fully believe he was going whole hog on Titan before Titan was shitcanned and reworked into Overwatch, which makes sense why he would have left shortly after, especially when they retconned overwatch lore before the game even launched by cancelling the overwatch graphic novels.

@burnttoast26

2 ай бұрын

From her statements on "toxic masculinity", I'd wager that a lot of Feelingscraft is her fault

@JackMarcuson

2 ай бұрын

Metzen ruined WoW lore

@burnttoast26

2 ай бұрын

@@JackMarcuson He created WoW lore. Golden and Danuser ruined it

@RocRolDis

2 ай бұрын

I've never liked the Horde vs Alliance stories in WoW. Without fail, each and every one has been hamfisted and incredibly inconsistent. Pandaria's opening is a great example. The Alliance comes in peace, but they're actually violent because we said so. The horde are just defending themselves which is why they're all foaming at the mouth to kill everything. Then you get to the villages and the evil Alliance is...making pandaren skip a meal to work a little longer while the horde is kidnapping children and summoning powerful demons but they're not the bad guys, honest. They've never been able to write the AvH stories without favoring one side over the other and making both sides look ridiculous.

@TrampyPulsar

2 ай бұрын

@@RocRolDis I agree, the horde vs alliance storyline is rather forced, I have always felt that the players should be seperated from the factions, and the factions should be split up into their racial factions, Night Elves cowtowing to a boy king never made sense. if they did this they could tell more interesting faction storylines and tailor the PVP content around it, like goblins vs gnomes, sentinels vs warsong, ect.

I'm glad metzen has taken control, I have no clue what direction we would be heading without him, probably more expansions beating around the bushes of light/void/titans. Wasn't there an article stating some employees were unhappy with Metzens return and his direction?

@torus4621

Ай бұрын

If some "employees" were unhappy, this is sign that we can have better writing. Propably soy activists with blue hair are angry.

Dragonflight was.... a mass of unfinished stories. We have to activate the Oathstones! (activates them) Oh, nothing happened. We have to resurrect Tyr! (ressurects Tyr) He just kind of stands in a room quietly. There's Plague Gnolls! (Fights them, gets the standard "ENOUGH!" and badguy flees) The Dragons are poisoning everything with Order Magic! We do nothing. The Keepers are up to something in these hidden labs! We do nothing. We have to gather all the wild gods to defend the dream! We just... kind of stop doing that. etc etc... I feel that none of the actions I took had any sway on the events of the expansion at all. Azeroth powered up the dragons, and would have done so without me anyways. Whenever I do anything there's a racial leader there to take credit for it. I feel like I was just.... present. In the end things would have ended exactly the same without the player character.

The damage is already done with Warcraft story and lore, unfortunately.

@Omnidudes

Ай бұрын

I kind of stopped caring for wow lore when they screwed up sargeras and then nzoth happened...

@voidox

Ай бұрын

yup, WoW needs a straight up reset or retconning of BFA -> DF, that's the only way to get lore ppl back into caring for Warcraft and bringing back what we loved about Warcraft and not the garbage Danuser and co. brought in.

As much as I agree that Danuser needed to be booted, I don't understand this "too many cooks" thing for Christie Golden. Just as you said, it looked like she was following what narrative lead was giving to her. So I don't see any indication that she was doing stuff that weren't aligned with the greater trajectory. Perhaps you've had some insider sources?

World of peace and hugcraft is extremely cringe

@Kbelikar

Ай бұрын

It will not go away. MS will push it regardless.

A robot story in the middle of a dragon story? Pretty sure rebuilding tyr was a robot story.

@CsStoker

2 ай бұрын

I wish Tyr had stayed as the legendary titan patron saint of paladins instead of the soulless husk that they build in Dragonflight

@burnttoast26

2 ай бұрын

@@CsStokerA lot of modern lore writers have a huge problem with recontextualizing things and explaining things in a way that does away with mysticism and wonder

I think Metzen wants do make a similto the "Lord of Terra", that its the core writers of the Warhammer 40k lore and novels, they are all great writers and they establish and coordinate the road map of the 40k franchise in the lore part, they also coordinate with the product designers to have novels and settings ready for different lunches of the 40k franchise. And i will say, i love Christie Golden and her work, but she its not an Dan Abnet.

@Shedovv

2 ай бұрын

That has to be a joke. 40K Lore is notorious for books constantly contradicting each other, or making nonsensical claims. Or modern woke writers retconning things, in a very lazy and obvious fashion. To suit their real life socio-political agenda. Which are all the same problems with Warcraft over the past few expansions, and why we got World of Feelscraft Dragonship is Magic for an expansion. Which is tragic because that same expansion in every way other than the story has been making leaps and bounds to advance WoW as a Game. Sure there were and still are tons of bumps along the road. But it has been getting at least a little bit better every patch. Despite all the balance drama that is for better or worse, natural for a Live game like WoW.

I Just Hope metzen can create a new interesting male character.... Been a while we only get females.

@Kbelikar

Ай бұрын

MS will push for females more. Man are bad to them.

Playing MoP Remix has reaffirmed my feelings that retail WoW's story has, in fact, deteriorated, despite the people who insist the story has "always been bad." Compared to Dragonflight, the themes and arcs of Pandaria are tight, and the world feels deeper and lived in by... well... people. Villagers seeing the campaign through the perspective of villagers instead of acting like narrator mouthpieces. The bits I've seen for the War Within trailer and the 10.2.7 prequest have also felt better, though I have not been paying close attention to alpha leaks about the story. I'm a bit hopeful, but I won't go nuts--Dragonflight was and is a step up from Shadowlands, but it really fell off for me from Fractures in Time on. Here's wishing for the best.

People actually believe that Metzen was brought up to stir the ship and have creative power over all ?? People actually believe this? If so, when he wrote the story? Or how? No, guys. The bringing of Metzen was just a PR stunt, like all big companies do when they are in shit: bring a deeply involved creator that was always loved by the fandom, make the PR about the new release and the old new guy/the new old guy is back and hide the fact that they will continue to do exactly what they did, but now they will have a scape goat if the game fails to deliver, which will do because Blizzard is not Blizzard anymore, just hActivision. This is a story as old as time itself.

@captaintitus7711

Ай бұрын

Nailed it.Metzen just PR stunt,not for real change.

As always, blizzard like the vast majority of any creative businesses and endeavour, are taking extremely talented and passionate people and stretching them as thin as they can and the only reason they can do such is because the people working for them are passionate and talented enough to cope with such aggregious exploitation. You REALLY gotta love warcraft to be able to stomache working for Blizzard.

The edits have been really good lately

I listen to her books in rotation all the time at work.. Sad to hear she's gone.

Art by committee is how we get Cata Stonetalon. While a great Questline was such off tone to what they wanted to show for Garrosh.

@benjaminlrche1755

2 ай бұрын

Ironically, it is one of the best questlines in the game imo.

@DragonsController8

2 ай бұрын

@@benjaminlrche1755 I do agree. It’s a double edged sword for the writing department sadly. But yes every time I am leveling horde I make sure I do that Questline.

I am glad you covered that topic. I was wondering why Christie Golden had been let go considering her importance!

Damn, were the solar storms that bad in South Africa? Did u see any crazy Aurora?

Damn, didnt know she was gone. I love her books, and her writting style hughely impact my own, at least in the Warcraft take.

Extremely well said, Acc. And you bring up points many have missed for a loong time. Respect. I stopped caring about the story once Lich Kings voice was Batman'd in game. Deathwing, timelines and pandas didn't help but Pandas at least brought a coherent vibe roflmao. And the soundtrack was PEAK + I enjoyed the raw gameplay of many classes in Mists. I digress. Peace

The War Within needs to finally get Anduin a girlfriend.

@Kbelikar

Ай бұрын

He will get a theyfriend instead.

you cant make art by comity..... actually thats exactly how most things get made. even personal art and that input and feed back is exactly how things get better. that is how movies, shows, games, art schools, and everything works.

@TheAccolonn

Ай бұрын

I will let everyone know asap that our greatest artworks, plays and operas were made not by the individual artists, playwrights and composers but by committee cause a KZread commenter told me that Hollywood and AAA gaming who has been in terminal decline for over a decade now has said it. I think they'll be relieved to know. Thank you Understanding a term such as "made by committee" does not mean you have 2 or 3 or even 5 people working on it is also a good place to start. All the Hollywood shows you're referring to usually has a show runner, 1 person who lays out the overarching plot, storyline and events as they take place, the writers simply link those events together. The term "Made by committee" refers to a writing style where multiple writers are involved equally in the creation of a story or work with each writers vision being held as the standard vision and all decision and all story arches are voted on by the committee before it may be included. This always leads to a less than stellar story where the story feels disconnected, events seems ill planned or often times completely under explored and it leaves the audience incapable of connecting with the story as a whole and instead they connect at best with parts of the story.

@therummagingferret

Ай бұрын

@@TheAccolonn u dont have to be rude or attack someone for a comment. if i came off as rude im sorry that was not the intent. whats worse is ur the owner of the channel I would think u would be a bit nicer. i thought the video was good. you could have just left the second paragraph explaining what u meant and left it alone.

@TheAccolonn

Ай бұрын

@@therummagingferret you know what, you are right. I was being rude and for that I do apologise. I don't mean this as a defence or justification but you were the 5th comment I responded to and the previous 4 were people being ridiculously rude, name calling and full on attacks, which sent me into attack mode, so I sincerely apologise for being a dick.

@therummagingferret

Ай бұрын

@@TheAccolonn ahhhhh i got u. =) and thank you for the apology. i had never seen ur videos before it popped up on my 4 u page and i love that metzen is coming back. i think ur thumb nail and title got u the click and I did watch ur video all the through. i know some people comment and didn't even watch the whole thing. yeah people can be real trolls some times. sorry u had to deal with that. maybe if u feel urself get heated, walk away or ignore them best u can. i use to have bullies growing up and id kill them with kindness and it use to absolutely piss them off and get under their skin lol. u dont owe any of us anything, including the trolls! u got this buddy! im not in ur shoes so I dont know how id handle things. id probably saz out honestly. I do know there some times is miscommunication because this is text based. you loose that sort of body language and tone aspect. dont let the lions get to u! u gotta be strong! best wishes! you seem very nice on camera and in ur reply.

@TheAccolonn

Ай бұрын

@@therummagingferret thank you for the kind words and thank you for accepting my apology. Yes, sadly the one skill that's herd to master is learning when to just let go but also to realise chat isn't just chat, it's a collection of individuals and you can't just lash out in frustration at someone cause someone else got under your skin. I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the video. And again, thank you for calling me out, sometimes it's good to have viewers center your perspective a bit.

I think your speculation is pretty spot on and totally agree - except with the title of this vid :P I think it's a direction that makes a lot more sense.

i suspect after the last titan.. that will be chris metzens swan song.. and will leave blizzard for good

@OyasumiBlerd

2 ай бұрын

For me it will be the end of WoW and I’ll hope for a WoW 2 or other explorations of the franchise

A lot of Blizzard storylines get rushed because they tie them to tiers/seasons of content. You have many types of players with conflicting interests, and in an attempt to please everyone they end up sacrificing the quality of the story. Unfortunately you have many players (myself included) that stopped caring about the story long ago - I skip all cutscenes, don't read quests, and get annoyed at anything that isn't end game competitive content. Any time/money that blizzard spends on story development is completely wasted on us.

I have a degree in English and creative writing - I can assure you a floated company will not take risks. This massively restricts a writer from portraying sensationalism which can come in the form of horror - shock etc. With this in mind and when you look at contemporary wow - you MUST understand that the outside world and its current 'politically correct' restrictions play a major part in what the directions and expectations the writer must fulfill. This is why WOW is pretty much sterile in the contemporary day and age - there is no darkness, no edge, no RISK, no real dilemma it must fit within what is contemporaneously politically correct. At WOW's outset there were little to no restrictions and the writers and developers far freer to express and create the war zone hell that WOW Classic was. Now Horde and Alliance play making daisy chains together, its more Disney fairytale than hardcore fantasy. WOW was over the moment it got bought by floated companies.

Proof that she’s amazing writer. Anduins short story was fantastic and shows real depth of what people with ptsd go through. It’s Blizzards loss really.

@TheAccolonn

Ай бұрын

Good writing is entirely subjective. There is no proof that can ever be presented that can turn a subjective opinion into a universal fact. She is a good writer yes and the Short story was very good but there are many who didn't like her writing or writing style so it's always a good idea not to deal in absolutes when dealing with subjective feelings.

@felipefurtado2156

Ай бұрын

Agreed. The problem is that WoW as a whole unfortunately doesn’t go into depth on much of the lore like she did. WoW players have a completely different view on what the lore should be. Hence why they don’t like her writing. Her writing honestly captivates what fantasy should be like. Describing everything fully with no details missed or ambiguity. Sad to see her go, her amazing work will be missed.

I had no idea Golden was laid off. Sad :(

@katarn848

2 ай бұрын

Also think she does write for Star Wars anymore . Last book was Dark Disciple ( Asajj Ventress ) and she has last appearance in Bad Batch. Where Asajj get does bit of redemption arch.

The story line is dragonflight felt like it had no real direction. It felt like who ever was in charge (lead writer) was too afraid to say "no" to the smaller writers under their lead.

I hadn't heard about Christie. That makes me sad, but she also maybe wanted to concentrate on her own books, she did a lot of that prior to being hired onto the Blizzard team. I'm an author, I know how that is about wanting to do your own stuff. And writing by committee is never a good thing. There's got to be one "voice" carried through a story, someone has to be the "it" who is making all the calls and saying "nope, you're not going to be going in that direction" or "we need to keep it on this track." And you are able to fill in the details that were in the books inside the game. Control of the narrative is how that change gets made. Christie did what she did well. And you're correct, she wasn't involved in the decisions about what went into the game. I looking forward to seeing what she comes up with next.

D4 has been made a bit better with the latest patch and season, I’m at least having fun with it. Will have to see if it withstands the test of time.

@spindoggytheexplorer2915

2 ай бұрын

Have they fixed the issue where you load every single item in other players inventory and stash when you encounter them? Because I literally can’t even play it until that is fixed.

@BigSexyWizard

Ай бұрын

@@spindoggytheexplorer2915 yes

i played the first season of shadowlands, and quit after that point not because the game was bad, but because there was a long gap in content and i got bored, however, the story at the start was very strong with castle nathria, and i came back on the final patch and was completely lost in what happened, how did the player go from point a to point b, without any context the story feels awkward and disjointed from what happened in part 1 of shadowlands.

Too many DEI's

I hope we get more of a rebranding back towards a world of Warcraft. There’s a certain harshness of the world that feels long lost and like it was pretty much gone during dragonflight. While I enjoyed dragonflight, I miss war aspect. For me, legion and wotlk was peak WoW and I hope war within brings back that feeling.

BFA and Nazoth story was janked, SL story was janked ... DF story was janked .... no wonder when metzen got back he cleared house so the focus can be on him leading the team and pushing the narative himself, and not handing that responsibility to others. TWW and onwards needs to be great and progressively better each expansion.... or wow can fuck off. They had far to many chances.

I always liked her writing tbh. She was never the problem with Warcraft’s storytelling.

One of the ironies of this is they just released another short story by her. I really enjoy her work. It's a shame she was let go.

If it means less winning by the power of super best friends and more war in my warcraft then im down

What do you mean? Diablo 4 is doing good now. Players are loving the changes. It's not perfect right now and still needs work but there are more people interacting with D4 now than the last two seasons for sure and enjoying it.

The problem is everyone wants to get mad at somebody over what ever problems they have with the game but they have no idea who to get mad at. So when it comes out into public that a member of the narrative department gets laid off, they automatically point the finger thinking they were the problem.

Everyone involved in Dragonflight’s story needs to be fired, nothing less will suffice imo

Path of Exile 2 has it's closed beta launching on June 7th

@ChrissW528

2 ай бұрын

They delayed it from what I read, there was an article around a week ago

Well, i frankly never really cared about Christie even if it is sad she's gone. I'm not a book reader, i need the story/lore to be visualized in a game and Metzen has always been good at that...unlike Christie who prioritized books. Because of how apathetic i am towards Retail WoW, i have little to no expectations for War Within...but i do have hopes for Chris Metzen, he always knew how to make the game good...or feel good at least.

In my opinion, seems Blizz put more emphasis in the side stories that their main story was felt as being rushed and to an extent butchered. But their side quest stories were more engaging.

I think an issue that all of the Blizzard authors have, especially when writing novels set in the world of Azeroth is that they cannot color outside the lines of established lore. I was at Blizzcon 2 and I stopped by Richard Knaak's both. I had just finished the "War of the Ancients" trilogy so I was excited to speak with him. Lucky for me NOBODY was coming to his booth so I sat and spoke to him for about 20 minutes one on one. At one point he asked me if there was anything in the books I didn't like (I was in Heroic Fanboy mode). I said that I thought Illidan's bitterness towards Malfurion and Tyrande seemed too abrupt. One moment he would die for his brother and then just because Tyrande spurned his advances he immediately because this horrible villain. Mr Knaak pointed out he had to get all of the characters to a set point in time based on established lore by the end of the trilogy. He was allowed to tell his own story but the ending was baked into the cake. He is a very nice man and patiently allowed me to question him in that way.

Richard Knaak was the superior author IMO (If I'm remembering the name right)

Brand new controlled direction.Nothing new in Blizz anyway.

I never liked Golden too much. When WoW was starting it was mostly her and Knaak doing the books, and none of them were to good, she was better than Richard tho. Thus, when she was announced as an official member of the story team I became neutral towards not liking it, but not that big of a deal. But I'm sure her knowledge about storytelling has helped the narrative in good ways anyways. What has me more worried is the news about CDev getting canned by Microsoft some time ago. Hmm... I'm not sure how much that will affect the coherence of the worldbuilding but it doesn't sound good.

Their biggest problem with WoW's narrative is too much of it is outside the fuckin game. They are quite arrogant asking players to track it all down.

i´m so glad i can just play perma lvl 60 classic era and just not care about all the upcoming stuff anymore.

most players hate her for the simple fact that many important things are told in her book, information that you don't have access to in the game I don't particularly think she had that much power to decide to leave something out, and her removal is a problem if wow runs out of capable writers, I can't imagine a game with lore nowadays being written without the help of several Novel writes and yet wow is too big and too confusing most players hate her for the simple fact that many important things are told in her book, information that you don't have access to in the game I don't particularly think she had that much power to decide to leave something out, and her removal is a problem if wow runs out of capable writers, I can't imagine a game with lore nowadays being written without the help of several Novel writes and yet wow is too big and too confusing

Don't worry guys, this'll finally be the chance that saves the game. Trust.

Good riddance. As my friend put it "War Crimes was a literal war crime"

When Shadowlands made it canon that sentient triangles and special water made mannequins to handle the realms of death and one of them turned bad and was literally flushed down the toilet to hell (as well the how the player got there), there was a definite need to stop whatever the heck was going on. BFA was lame for the whole "it's not an Old God xpac but SURPRISE! it's an Old God xpac" route, but for the love of all that is holy, Shadowlands is literally the dumbest shit ever.

This is going to sound harsh but her book for shadowland was the most poorly planned tie in, in an expansion history. It was tits on a bull it was the hair on a mile on the tit on the bull

8:45 ohh someone should tell him. Unless this was a joke. Im bad at sarcasm

@TheAccolonn

Ай бұрын

It was a joke, poking fun without ya know, being mean.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on Golden. I looooove her stories. Before the Storm and Sylvanas had great stories.... but she definitely stretches it out too much and it can be difficult to *enjoy* reading.

I heard d4 was terrible from friends that played it, but why tho? it looked alot better than d3 (never played any diablo before)

You mean no more Gay dragons and babyfur foxes how will Gen Z see representation o.o?

@Electric_

Ай бұрын

GenZ will flock to the game when it becomes based again

@Kbelikar

Ай бұрын

It won't go away, MS and DEI consultants will push it regardless.

@Kbelikar

Ай бұрын

@sproosemoose9348 They are doing DEI becouse they think it will give them more money.

Holly was part of the same crew that brought us fated bullshit, i am not trusting shit. Its gonna be season by season for me

Diablo IV has the highest player count they've ever had since launch....and have a new xpac coming out

@TheAccolonn

Ай бұрын

Evidence please

let him cook

SW expanded universe had rotating authors for some of the book series. Anytime Christie Golden’s turn was up it was always a huge hit to the anticipation of the next book.

Golden was a horrible writer thats effect on the industry was nil at best. Eow needs dedicated wtiters who are willing yo make this their lifes work.

dude i have herd better Ideas coming out of your speculation videos then what that whole team was coming up with. you should be hired by Blizzard to fix there game

Golden was a completely wrong fit for Warcraft. She’s probably a good writer, but trying to combat “toxic masculinity” in a series about 2 factions trying to genocide one another is a massively out of touch and deranged thing to do. She just didn’t get it. She would have probably thrived with Overwatch. Not sure if she worked on that though.

Also, your wrong about PoE2. A lot of the PoE players are not going to love PoE2 because it's a much slower game. Also, PoE2 is like over a year and some change away. They pushed back their alpha to closer to end of year. Still needs a lot of work.

@TheAccolonn

Ай бұрын

You seem to have a gift for predicting the future, I mean, far be it from me to argue with that.

Shame they couldn’t get their shit together enough to write a good Darkspear Heritage quest line. Talk about wasted potential and failure to set up a future for the race. I highly doubt Metzen even got to look it over 👎

PoE1 killing D3? never heard about it, i played D3 and I enjoy D3 more than PoE1, PoE1 just isn't for me navigating in that game is very scuffed and i dislike it alot. So I disagree very very much with that statement.

For every step forward D4 takes, It simply shows that they've yet to solve the actual core issue of Diablo 4: But why play it? What incentive do I have? Is it supposed to be the battle pass? Because literally nothing about D4 makes me want to play it even as they fix glaring systemic issues. Its all well and good that you made loot not bad now, but I have no reason to want that loot because I dont have anything meaningful to do at any point in time so its meaningless. If I've said it a thousand times, Ill say it a thousand more just give us a Rift Pylon in town and be done with it already. It wasnt Loot 2.0 that saved Diablo 3, It was Adventure mode and Rifts specifically and its so goddamn frustrating that blizzard just REFUSES to accept this. Your nightmare dungeons weren't it, and your Gauntlet ain't it either.

They have a good art and game mechanics team as dragon flight proved. They just needed this extra step into the story.

Got this from Asmongold, decided to watch here instead of inflating his channel.

I don't like the DF story. It's boring. No idea how she might be responsible for that. I read her War Crimes book (Garrosh's Trial in MoP) and it was baffling to me how good it was. (I have never read another WoW book tho.) It's probably a bad thing she's gone.

WoWs storytelling has always been terrible. Going back and playing Classic really emphasized this. They have no real overlying narrative being pushed that makes you feel like youre on a journey or that there is a point to any of this. Even the famous 'wraith of the lich king' only had 1 cut scene that told story(the part at the wall in dragonblight) and more of just a 'theme' on most of the maps but no real cohesive storytelling throughout the expac(until icecrown dungeons were finally put in later on). Dragonflight was even worse. I literally have no clue what the hell was happening in that entire story. Majority of wows storytelling is told through raids, which is really just not a good way to tell a story, especially when the majority of playerbase will never even see the inside of raids due to gatekeeping bullshit. By the time youve gotten to a raid, you should have a strong sense of purpose for wanting to do the raid in regards to the story. I have never felt that once in wow, but its something that FF14 accomplishes perfectly. WoW should just steal from FF14, since blizzard is best at stealing others work and making it better lol

I never understood what Golden was even hired for? She contributed nothing that made WOW better. Did they need to hire her to type shit on a computer that someone else wrote? Really?

Here's how to fix the Story. N'zoth has won during BFA, we were in an Illusion those past two expansions, none of it actually happened, retcon the Dracthyr origin into something coherent, like they were on his side because of the Earthwarden's Corruption during that time frame and now Anduin and Thrall cleansed all of us from his corruption with some magical BS device the Titans gave them, have Illidan be in the cutscene. The war within is the cleansing of Azeroth where N'zoth and his brothers have to be beaten by us each Expansion starting with C'thun and each time one of them dies another one absorbs his Power. N'Zoth being the final Boss of the 3rd Expansion. There we Go story fixed, keep the assets like Dragonflight.

D4 Just hit the all time peak players on steam so I'd expect the same on other platforms .... Also d4 new season is amazing

@TheAccolonn

2 ай бұрын

No it didn't. It's all time peak is 28k players. It's 24hr peak is 24k. It's not even in the top 50 of steam games.

Glad she's gone. Hopefully that means less Feelingscraft and more WARcraft

@Kbelikar

Ай бұрын

No it doesn't. MS will push for DEI consultants they are working with.

Danuser fucked up alot of stuff. Whatever he has written is not cool, it is not spectacular, it does not generate hype. Danuser has made one colossal mistake by saying that it is not the job of a Queen to govern the people she is the Queen of. Alexstrasza is not the Queen of the red dragonflight. She is the Queen over ALL DRAGONFLIGHTS. This means IT IS HER JOB TO NAME AN HEIR for the Black dragonflight. Even a 5th grader from Europe knows what a Queen does. This is just ONE example. Also, I am sick and tired of using Anduin as a damsel in distress. It does not work. Nobody cares when a guy is kidnapped. He is seen as weak and pathetic by guys and it does not make the guy look well at all in the eyes of girls. The damsel in distress works with women because women like to be saved, they like the trope where the Prince charming comes and saves her from an aweful fate and it also feeds on the guys instinct to be the protector, the guardian of the women. This smells really bad of a woke writer in the writing team. If you as a women do not like, that is fine but you are not that woman, it is not for you but do you know who is it for? For guys AND girls that like it, and there are alot more girls that like it than girls that do not. Also, sorry to burst your bubble but nobody likes a masculine woman , nobody that you would like to have a serious relationship with.

lol, ur point on D4 is so dumb... no PoE2 is not going to do anything to D4 cause all the casual players will still be playing D4, PoE2 does not have the advantage PoE1 had with the state of D3. Also D4 just had it's season 4, that even hardcore ARPG players have been praising so it's not in a bad state at all. end of the day, the hardcore audience will just play both games when new seasons release, and the casual audience will stick with D4. Last Epoch failed to do anything to D4 despite all the "omg D4 killer!" videos and comments by online minority, won't be any different with PoE2.

Personally I think they removed the cancer too late, all of Christie Golden's garbage and Danuser's infection already took roots and there's too much garbage to retcon if they want to fix this mess, also they are still turbowoke and the virtual signaling is strong with the alpha footage that has been shared.

@RyanMeeks1

2 ай бұрын

if youre not already aware, blizzard is a progressive company, that isnt about to change, like it or not.

I'm cool with a lead writing taking the helm but I hope they don't give them free reign like George Lucas was givtrilogy. Star Wars prequel trilogy.

Her books are great.

As long as we get away from Hug n Gay Craft itll be fine.

@Kbelikar

Ай бұрын

We won't. MS is client of Sweet Baby Inc. DEI consultants.

Played wow for 20 years, I fucking hate wow lore. Its okey up until the death of the lich king. Everything thereafter never fucking happened to me. All that follows does not fit into wow. They need to start to copy warhammer again, and erase everything they have done for 15 years. That would satisfy me. :)

I'm sort of indifferent of the situation with the lady writer in all honesty.