I’m not sure I agree with your interpretation of the line about if Turalyon knew exactly what was happening to Alleria. To me the part about the scenario of him spending the rest of his life trying to save her doesn’t scream “Alleria loves her void powers and doesn’t want to lose them”. It screams “I don’t want to burden the love of my life with the life mission of saving me. Abandoning his goals to fix me”. She may not want to lose her void powers but I don’t think we can use that line in the short story as evidence of that. To me the entire line is about love. Completely losing her love and her love spending the rest of his life trying to save her are equally painful scenarios to her. Nothing about her void powers imo.

@claytonbroulik6182

2 ай бұрын

Ditto

@TheAccolonn

2 ай бұрын

I definitely read it differently but I can see how you could read it in a few other ways as well.

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

@@TheAccolonn I personally like how you take liberty with words and wordplay because it's exactly how the developers treat things. A lot of people read a story, make a determination on its meaning and shut themselves off to other potential interpretations. I think it sets you apart from other Lore Streamers/Content Creators in general. Not everything you say comes true, but you prepare your audience for the broadest interpretation of some of the language Blizzard's creative team uses and I think it's a good thing.

I did think it was funny that Alleria was surprised that her son, the son of 2 people who live for duty and purpose, showed a strong tendency for duty and purpose.

@GhostRat__

2 ай бұрын

He is so dead like I’m already writing him off.

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

To be fair she didn't raise him and neither did Turalyon, it was Vereesa who instilled duty and purpose in him. Alleria admits in the story she feels like a stranger in Arator's life because she didn't raise him.

Nice vid. I feel like some of this one was stretched pretty thin to work. I will guess Xal'atath could have been the harbinger of the ethereal planet and was supposed to be the one earlier for Azeroth, but the Old Gods stopped her. I don't think Alleria is Xal'atath, but do think they have a connection, that Xal'atath may use to make her the new harbinger. Have a great day all!!! :)

Xal'atath was on my dagger while I was questing with Alleria and Turalyon in Krokuun.

I mentioned arator being the child of prophecy in your narration video so super happy you mentioned it in this analysis but I came to a random thought while listening to you talk about alleria being the harbinger. We know how souls can split into two thanks to the shadowlands, so what if xal'atath is allerias void side of her split off after she was captured into the dagger. I mention this cause during the new questline. xal atath shows key memories to Alleria, and it is mentioned multiple times that this is personal. Then as you are pursuing her, you see visions of Modgud and Selene, both previous wielders of the dagger. In the shadowlands, when Sylvanas is reconnected with her split self, she can not come to terms with the fact that these memories are her memories regardless of whether she remembers these moments or not. Xal'atath is showing Alleria her own memories that she can not remember and can not accept just the same as her sister Sylvanas was, and only when Sylvanas accepts these actions is when she wakes. Let me know what you think cause my brain is cooking and idk it makes sense 😅 Great video as always 👍

Locus-Walker is Nexus-King Salhadaar... He died in Netherstorm, but is said about the old rulling class of K'aresh, the Ethereum, which he leads, that they took any means necessary in fighting Dimensius, even transforming themselves in creatures of the Void. So after he died, maybe because he was transformed into a void creature before, he returned to the Void and was reborn because he didn't die in the Void.

I've been totally checked out of WoW lore since 2017 despite being a massive fan of old Warcraft lore, and I have to say Alleria being Xal'atah is genuinely one of the coolest ideas I've heard in a long time.

Great video, Accolonn! Thanks fam!

Always enjoy your videos, Acco; keep up the great work and thank you for the amazing content!! ❤😊 ⭐️

My guys is a lore MC..freestlying on this lore with ease. Shoutout from westmonroe la.

My mind is blown! I love your videos!!!!

I dont believe Turalyon will turn against her. Remember the novel Before The Storm ?Were Turalyon and Genn meet Alonsus Faol? Both of them were as hostile and suspicious as you can get , however the moment Faol tells his ex student to reach out to him throught yhe Light. Turalyon immediately falls to one knee emotional asking for a blessing fron the Undead Alonsus meaning that despite what we might think he is not a blind zealot like the Scarlets.

Stories like these I wish they put in the game - real character moments that matter.. Not just 2 characters talking slowly until.. you.. fall.. asleep... jkfffialhse oh god!

Makes me wonder how much Alleria's fate is influenced by her becoming what she is by basically absorbing a Dark Naaru. Naaru, too, lack the balance in though most are vessels of the Light, they can turn the opposite with little middleground. With the Sunwell now being partly influenced by a Naaru, too, her reacting strongly to it and maybe even wanting to be near it, might come from the powers of the Dark Naaru inside her. Even better, with her being influenced by a Dark Naaru and Turalyon by a Light one, Arator might be the one to reconcile both sides in a possible conflict.

This may be the most batshit insane theory I have ever heard So many mental gymnastics are required to make this work, it's crazy

27:46 If I remember rigth the eyes of some blood elves (with connection to the ligth) turned golden after the sunwell was cleansed (pretty sure Liadrin has also golden eyes). Most likely for a similar reason why blood elves have green instead of blue eyes (instead of fel they are light "corrupted"). It´s a completely different phenomenon than Illidan´s and Azshara´s eye colour.

@timar6868

2 ай бұрын

100% you even need to know a lot of story to know that. But some people stretch to much

Loved your video!

I don't think she's Xal'atath but she's definitely the real Harbinger. With what happened at the Sunwell I think she's something akin to a gateway. Her third death will be when Arator dies. Potentially by her own hand if we go by N'Zoth's vision. A piece of her will die and she will not be able to bounce back. Her first death could've been when her parents and brother were killed. The second when she lost Sylvanas and her home or when she had given up a future with her son for the sake of duty.

I think the windrunner sisters gonne safe the day , like a charmed witch thing but in wow , theye neet to hold hands for activating the power within and become 1 with there feeling s and stuff

First rule of name changes is that the names must have some thing in common. Find a commonality in the names and I will be on board 100%

Just had a thought about the whisper: the lord of ravens will turn the key, what if that whisper is symbolizing Khadgar as the conduit for Allerias potential complete fall to the void at the hour of her third death? Keep up the good vids Acco, the war within just keeps getting hyped for me with your speculations!

@shenanigansandtrickery

2 ай бұрын

Since Khadgar is the one who essentially calls for Alleria to look into the dark heart and who the harbinger is.

Calling two things. 1:she causes Khadgars death. 2:she kills her son on accident 3: she is the reason for why we lose the war.

You’re all awesome :)

How can Alleria be xal? We as players know, for a fact that they are two different people we saw with our own eyes and we know that she is a different person again with our own eyes. They’re not one in the same.

@TheAccolonn

2 ай бұрын

Did you just stop listening to what I said? I literally explain it right after. You're welcome to disagree but your particular objection is dealt with mere seconds after.

wonder if the boy king is magnis grandson from dagran thaurissan.

@markdaveculpa6364

2 ай бұрын

Probably because Anduin isn’t a boy anymore, he is Manduin.

@matus19971

2 ай бұрын

Would work. He'd been the king of his people ever since he was a baby, just that the council of three hammers ruled in his stead.

@loganwebb5086

2 ай бұрын

@@matus19971 also them showing him as an explorer/intellectual and him getting new models in tww probably means alot.

Well this the whisper about the third death...there is a problem with it. As we know Alex Afrasiabit when he still held reins over the narrative decided to make Sylvanas the villain in Shadowlands. Originally she was meant to die there for good. But one he got booted out of the company, Steve Danuser was told to do whatever he can to preserve her. I still believe that whisper was meant for Sylvanas as it was made in the Legion during the reign of Afrasiabi. And now is somewhat problematic.

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

There's a chance we get Sylvanas back from the Maw if Alleria gives in to the Void(in TWW) in the 2nd or 3rd expac

If Alleria is in fact Xal'atath, I wonder if Arator getting killed will be the catalyst that pushes her completely into the Void.

@Offbreed309

2 ай бұрын

Idk if she is Xal'atath, but I really like the idea of Arator getting killed being her "third death." Her heart could die with her baby.

@patrikzotaj4528

2 ай бұрын

nah.

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

@@Offbreed309 I really think Xal'atath has already died twice, though maybe it's unclear, the first one would be one the Old Gods betrayed her, the second could be argued that when she was forced to help purify Sargeras' Sword that it was her second because she obviously made an effort to escape the Priest after that and rejuvenate. I do feel like trying to use her "rebirth" as a mortal as a second death would be a stretch. It also could be that Xal'atath does have a way deeper connection to Alleria than she has anyone else, they could have been linked somehow but we'd need a solid explanation to justify how.

@timar6868

2 ай бұрын

She isn’t I don’t know where he’s getting that from but it’s a Ludacris idea. They are two different people we know we’ve seen them both at the same time she was in our dagger while we requested with her. Also blizzard said there’s no time shenanigans going on with xal

@Val_ayh

2 ай бұрын

@@timar6868 We've also seen Nozdormu & Murozond at the same time, & they're 2 versions of the same being. So your argument is invalid. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If fel is light and voids creation then it's plausible that someone we know could be the child. Remember illidan has a prophecy that xira tried to force on him. Blizzard has been good at concealing things. I think it's too easy to be what we think and wouldn't put a slide of hand past them.

Perhaps. I kind of hope not, but to examine the possibilities further, what if we look at not proper names but wardrobes and identities, up until just now Alleria has been the Windrunner sister, the ranger. Now in War Within per Locus Walker's instruction we see her drop this persona and change. To embrace the path she has tried to push against. So if everything until now is Alleria living just her first life and War Within we enter her second life, what would trigger her third life as Xal? Arator. Alleria has always stated that her anchor point is Arator, no mater what happens no mater what has to be done she wants him safe and happy. And it rhymes time and time again that we see characters like Arthas, Illidan, or Naltharion, Sargaras?, in moments of desperation make deals and sacrifices in a moment ultimately to become what they despised. That love and conviction has never been extended to Turalyon. In fact in the horrific vision Alleria kills Turalyon. So if through some course of events we see Arator threatened especially by the Light we will easily see Alleria go a step further then she should. To give in to servitude in order to change history. And the Void basically saying the only way you get what you want is help us win, oh wait you don't get a choice. Edit: I forgot to add that, this theory would explain why Locas Walker clearly knows whom Xal is. That Alleria is and always was going to become Xal.

Can we get a source for the interview with Maria Hamilton going over the aspect of Factions? I can't seem to find anything on it.

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't know that "Faction" wars make much sense if a Void Lord is encroaching on your world, seems like the type of thing that would lead to the end of Azeroth.

@TheAccolonn

2 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iaCppdBrirK7lrg.htmlsi=PBhC6-3EK_6Nr2fb

@Jiromeru

2 ай бұрын

My assumption would be that they would wait until all the world altering events are over to go back to something like that, as in AFTER The Last Titan, BUT that begs the question of why with all of this unity would essentially the 5th War break out? I'm not gonna lie, but we need to get away from the faction war element and work towards something better.

Accolonn, I know you been focusing on your other channel a bit which is good. But time to bring it back home to Wow speculation. This video is fire and Dark Heart 1.4 is fire. I hope you decide to have a in-depth analysis on 1.4. Keep up good work and looking forward to your next wow video fam 😊

@TheAccolonn

2 ай бұрын

I focus on both channels equally, wow speculation videos take a long time to make, so I can't really make more than what I am already making but thank you so much. I am happy to hear you're enjoying the videos

@Poonzy7

2 ай бұрын

It probably does require more time to make these speculation vids. I just wanted to say WoW lore is popping off right now. Some of the void revelations in 1.4 is nuts and the War Within Alpha is amazing. Almost feels like days of Legion right? When you wake up and you don’t know what lore to speculate and make content about ha-ha. Nevertheless, just wanted to hear your thoughts on some of theses things happening right now. I’ll try to hit up your steams more. I’m just spoiled by KZread because of time. Really appreciate the content and Its all-good fam.

First! Perhaps Xal'atath is Alleria moving backwards in time? Kinda like an anti-electron can be thought of as an electron moving backwards in time...

@timar6868

2 ай бұрын

Blizzard already stated that there’s no time travel with her and that the events that happened in class already happened we’re just finding out about them now

I tried to stay away but the new expansion has my interest

I never thought about it until I saw your video, but I can see how Alleria and Xal'atath could be the same person. However, I believe that they have not always been the same. It's possible that Xal'atath could take over Alleria's body as we've seen happen before. Perhaps Alleria has not yet become Xal'atath, and if it is her destiny to become Xal'atath, then Arator could still be a child of both light and shadow.

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

The only issue I take with this is he was conceived before she was exposed to the void. That said "shadow" also has an ambiguous meaning and could simply refer to him standing in the Shadow of Alleria's statue for all those years hoping she'd somehow return.

@NerdyBratt

2 ай бұрын

@@freepizza589 I get what you mean, but if it is her destiny to become Xal'atath, he could be the child of light and shadow before she is shadow. Or at least that was my way of thinking, I like what you said as well. "Shadow" doesn't have to be literal. I am so excited to see where we're heading with this.

Wait do all 3 sisters serve a celestial power, Sylvannas death, Alleria void, Vereesa order? I already know Alleria is gonna go bongo bananas or come close OR even die. And Xalatath will take over her body BUT When we soul goes to the shadowlands, AND THE Arbiter deems her soul irredeemable, guess whos waiting down in the maw :), we know souls can be put into blades or mourn blades, Arthas is a example , and nerzhul. What if they stuff real alleria into a mourneblade, sylvannas returns to bring the body and soul back together, considering she kinda went thru this when baldy nip man completed her soul again, So she kinda knows how to do it? And she stabs the mourne blade into Xalatath, bringing her back and putting xalatath into the mourne blade sealing her down in the shadowlands forever. And maybe Vereesa will be order and light?

I’ll admit I’ve differed on some of your lore and speculation takes but that’s the point right? Different opinions and speculation make for a great time building theories. But my man, you should read more wow stories or even parts from the books one day. You have a great story telling manner and voice, it was chefs kiss. And just the minor touches of some wow music in the background 🔥

I thought xalatath was put in the blade from the old gods?

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

It's really obscure in game unfortunately but she was freed in BfA because of our character being incredibly gullible. If you want to know more do a Naga Assault in Zandalar or Boralus and acquire Ashara's Medallion (or w/e it's called) and follow that questline.

I wonder if Void also has some kind of a civil war going on. Dimensius being the conqueror and Locus walker being part of the chill side?

@ScarlettSpitfyre

2 ай бұрын

Locus is the Harbinger of K'aresh and is now remorseful... Alleria is not Xal'atath. This is not well thought theory...

@freepizza589

2 ай бұрын

@@ScarlettSpitfyre Xal'atath has proven she can possess mortals. All Alleria would need is a good impetus to be vulnerable, i.e. someone close to her dies.

14:00 this would kinda explain how the dagger vanishes and reappears throughout it's history

About the repugnant stuff. I believe you’re reading it wrong. It’s not about the power. It’s about her husband spending the rest of his life trying to change what can’t be changed. Her husband would basically ruin himself trying to, what he perceives as helping her. Example: A man’s wife gets sick. Nobody can save her. The man goes on a journey to find a miracle cure. Even if this cure exists, the man has made a terrible mistake. The man should be spending ever single moment he can with his wife instead of wasting time trying to stop what is inevitable.

I think if we wanted to tie Arator to the vassal of life thing we could maybe look at it from Aleria's perspective. From a mothers point of view and how its portrayed in that short story Arator would be her world so it could be interpreted as him being her vassal of life, that thing that she's emotionally tied to that if she were to completely lose maybe she would say what does she have left? Would she no longer even care about her duty? which was always what she let keep her from him. Possible idea there.

Listening to your theory made me think of one. Look at the titles of the new expansion. What if they’re double entendres. What if the “War Within is not just a metaphor for battle inside our planet but an allusion to the War Within Alleria as well. What if “Midnight” is an allusion to the Void trying to force Alleria to do their bidding because something happens that causes her to refrain from using that power and deciding to cast it out. What if “The Last Titan” is her realizing she is Xal’atath from another time and she seeks to do for herself what we did for Norzdomu / Murozond but they find out that Norzdomu power only works for the timeline we’re confine to so they reason to go to the source of his power Amun’thul someone who’s power isn’t limited to just this time line and that kicks Iridikron into action because he’s been waiting for the Titan to come back. Xal’atath being aligned with the void and being able to see all truths has seen this coming and has a contingency plan already set in place. Just me speculating, let me know what you think 🤔 💭

No

I think you are super far off with Turalyon. The story doesn’t imply that he is more fanatic or some nonsense like that, if anything that he is throwing himself to work and even then these are Alleria’s void manipulated thoughts not what Turalyon does. I think your constant fight for using the whispers as absolute drivers of the story makes you lose sight of the actual characters. If anything the story should show you he is exactly as he has always been which definitely is not a fanatic, something that has been shown across several books and expansions already. Seriously let go of the theory because even then Blizzard has introduced a fanatical light emperor across the sea that is the biggest red herring I have seen in years

@sorarockss93

2 ай бұрын

For some reason a lot of people want Turalyon to be a light fanatic/zealot. He's shown to be anything but.

@bfedezl2018

2 ай бұрын

@@sorarockss93 Because it’s the easy way out of creating conflict. I find it terribly boring how some insist on warping characters to fit a narrative that doesn’t make sense for them because they can’t imagine other factors at play. Perfect example are the Arathians.

@LDaemontus

2 ай бұрын

@@sorarockss93 I think its because there's people within the community who desperately wish to portray the Light as anything but good, and cannot handle the possibly that one or two characters' could geniunely be decent people, who simply have faith. They can understand that these people could will the Light for evil, but never for the good of others, that ultimately it boils down to free will of the individual to how they use the power of the Light, not the cosmic force itself, a concept that isn't unique to the Light, as people forget that Thrall struggled with his shamanism for a long period of time, and that shamanism has been frequently used for evil intentions in WoW's history, with sorcers binding the elements and desecrating them. This is called gnostism, the believe that something divine is imperfect, and its been a heresy of the Church for awhile, yet many secular crowds have taken the theme up for fictional writing, which we see Blizzard is clearly inspired by. What's worse is that these same people often try to twist traditional, faithful structures, like the concept of the family man, to somehow be nothing more than a delusion, a ploy, even though thus far, all Turalyon wants is for his family to settle down as one, and age with his beloved at his side. Even the concept of divine authority, that eating from forbidden fruits is harmful and can burden societies with more problems than anyone is capable of dealing with, is frowned upon with the whole edginess of Sylvanas and the Jailor wanting to unmake reality because they didn't get the life they thought they each deserved, or considered themselves entitled to. What all of this boils down to is a bunch of disenchanted audiences trying to fashion a mythological story out of their personal issues with religion, with no forethought towards understanding theology, or the world religions, properly, and then taking it out on other peoples' art, written or otherwise. Calia also gets this treatment despite there being no hint, or evidence, of her being a potential threat and like Turalyon, is focused on other matters of importance.

@justinb7494

2 ай бұрын

Exactly lol, people always bring up him losing it with Illidan. Like he watched what he saw as the last hope for defeating the Legion get killed right in front of him, of course he's gonna get pissed... And people like to ignore the fact he got a grip afterwards. Just like the incident with Faol, he acted on emotion and personal feelings at first but got a grip. He's war torn and can be a hot head but is now somehow seen as a radical holy zealot. Is he a potential issue in the future? Probably, but not an actual villain or future bad guy.

@TheAccolonn

2 ай бұрын

"But the more she learned about the Void and the more she used her Void powers, the more uncomfortable the paladin grew in her presence. Like he had said, she was a complicated creature." "She was changing and evolving into something new, but Turalyon was hardening into who he was and had always been. He didn’t need to know that." Take your issues with my analysis up with the writer, she decided to add that Turalyon was growing more and more uncomfortable in Alleria's presence and that he was hardening into who he has always been, a warrior of the Army of Light!