Rishi Sunak is ‘flailing around’ with confusing Conservative election strategies
“He's completely flailing around. He doesn't know which strategy to take.”
Peter Mandelson, Polly Mackenzie and Daniel Finkelstein join Matt Chorley to discuss whether the prime minister’s game is up or if he can find a winning strategy as the general election draws nearer.
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2 simple rules for life; No.1 - Never trust a tory No.2 - Never forget rule number 1
@Glasgow_kiss
16 күн бұрын
of any colour
@shaggy0000
15 күн бұрын
And the rest ffs 😂
@FranzBieberkopf
14 күн бұрын
Rule 3-If in doubt, refer to Rule 1😊
14 years of decay, eroding living standards, eroded rights, eroded services.... and yet the people who caused all that want us to believe THEY are the only people who can stop it? Abusive relationships springs to mind. Get these scumbags out
@Redsleather
12 күн бұрын
The likes of Rishi Sunak are nothing but abusive partners, the kind that beat you black and blue, steal your money and cheat and lie, but beg you for another chance as ‘they’ll change’. Until the next time, and the next….
@EllieD.Violet
11 күн бұрын
It's not an abusive relationship since the electorate can simply walk away and vote for another party. Just imagine what happened of 100% of the electorate voted Greens, LibDems or independent candidates in the next election.
Sunak is flailing about wildly like a non swimmer in deep water. He's utterly hopeless and desperate.
@EllieD.Violet
11 күн бұрын
He has been like this since day 1 of his premiership.
You should do a special ‘How to Lose an Election’ devoted entirely to little Rishi Rich 😂
How very Peter Mandelson-like of Peter to deny saying something he was recorded saying... I'll always remember him speaking at a conference I attendend when doing my A-Levels in 1994. I've never seen a speaker so completely misjudge an audience as he did that day - he had the whole room against him within two paragraphs, and it was an audience that was overwhelmingly pro-Labour; he just radiated a contempt and arrogance perfectly designed to inspire hostility. As it happens, I did eventually overcome that animosity towards him, but it took me years...
He's hanging on for dear life to fleece and squander every last penny the UK has
@maccagrabme
15 күн бұрын
Just like Labour did last time in power. Reform required.
@yuna-1971
15 күн бұрын
@@maccagrabmeName anything they did that was “squandered”. Try not to get your info from wiki or the Daily Mail.
@Gary-le7dz
14 күн бұрын
If only we were as “ skint “ as 2010 …. Now debt trebled and debt to gdp doubled
@yuna-1971
14 күн бұрын
@@Gary-le7dz that was a made up attack line by the tories. It was meant to be a joke line, that all previous incumbents used - as in left same type of letter. Yet the tories ran with it and the gullible idiotic public believed it and thus this myth was born. Now look at the state of things.
@Redsleather
12 күн бұрын
@@Gary-le7dzand apart from the Tories’ personal wealth, can someone actually name ONE thing better today in this crumbling mess of a country that is better than in 2010? Just one thing?
All the Labour Party need to do to in order to sway those undecided voters (if there are any) is to run an ad campaign showing a black and white picture of Liz Truss, looking at her most maniacal, with the slogan “I feel I have unfinished business”. Surefire winner.
@Glasgow_kiss
16 күн бұрын
or maybe a picture of dead kids in Iraq saying "remember the good times under labour"?
@seanoconnor8843
16 күн бұрын
At least the Torys are moving in the right direction, towards the centre with the rest of us. Starmer is out running with the skinheads because that's his idea of ordinary people
@persperspersp2866
15 күн бұрын
@@Glasgow_kiss conservatives were absolutely on board with EVERYTHING George W. Bush did
@1669Python
15 күн бұрын
Or the Conservative party could show Starmer weakly "kneeling" for a career criminal in the USA. It goes both ways.
@yuna-1971
15 күн бұрын
@@seanoconnor8843 Example?
He is out of his depth. Not a clue.
Imagine watching a load of gamblers in Vegas one week and then just grabbing the man who made alot of cash and appointing him PM I give you Rishi Sunak PM of the UK and someone completely unsuited for Prime Minister.
Charitable of you to keep Daniel on to deliver his usual bucket of dull uninspired cope.
No real need for a Pod on this topic. 5 words says it all "DO NOT BE A TORY"
Not sure he even cares, lets face it the longer he stays the more money him, his wife, family and donors get, its not really that difficult a concept.
He should do what's best for the country and call an immediate election, instead he does what's best for Sunak and his cronies.
General Election is needed now.
@malcolmmitchell6529
13 күн бұрын
What good would that do?
Come in Rishi Sunak - your time is up.
The pendulum has swung in favour of the workers at last. It's time to tell the employers how it's going to be. They have absolutely no choice. The world economy is about to explode with activity as the main populations achieve a civilised existence. A rising tide lifts all boats. The economy is no longer a problem for anybody
Putting yourself up as the change candidate followed by better the devil you know is about right for Sunak's level of competence.
Daniel being on the show as former Executive Editor of The Times and former Executive of Policy Exchange is a massive conflict of interest. Plus his constant nonsensical contradictions of Mandelson and his incessant compium inhalation is distracting, could we please mute his mic?
If a dog were struggling as much as Roshi is then the vet would say something to the effect of “… the kindest thing to do would be… “ - call the effing election already
deeply unserious "winning rather than principles" mentality
35:00 Polly is absolutely correct about the recklessness within government, especially with regard to higher education sector. I was told last week that I was losing my job at uni. at the end of August. But I will keep my rainbow lanyard- it represents something far more profound than this government will ever achieved or represent.
Forget an election just pack up and get out.
Can't believe they thought "Better the Devil you Know" was Sonya - it was by Kylie!
@redlightmax
14 күн бұрын
20:52 I checked Spotify - "Better The Devil You Know" was a song by Sonia, from her album of the same name. But Kylie's song is much better.
Mandelson remains as clueless and out of touch as this government.
The tory lib dem labour talking about greens was just so painful. As if their parties have a clear view of what they stand for and idea of how they will get there.
What is Daniel Finkelsteins point, he goes round and round
Mandy liked Russian super yachts and cheap aluminium + Mates with Prince Andrew & Epstine. Why is he getting rolled out?
@yuna-1971
15 күн бұрын
Can you tell me your source for all that ?
@dixieflatline1189
15 күн бұрын
@@yuna-1971 passive aggressive and lazy comment. Do your own research, form an opinion, comment. Have a nice day
Wow, so it's not good if Unions have input to a political party. However, it is to OK for companies to literally purchase MPs as lobbyists to enable those companies to gain influence over legislation. I must be blind, I can't see any difference in out comes between the two.
GET RID OF THE TORIES
To much devils in both party's
it was Kylie not Sonya - BETTER the devil you know.
@CRINOTH
15 күн бұрын
There are two entirely different songs with that title. Kylie's is the earlier one from 1990. Sonia came 2nd in the 1993 Eurovision Song Contest with hers.
I'm a middle England, middle class man, who is an independent voter. My vote is up for grabs. I have voted Labour before and i wont be voting for them this time. Why? Precisely because of people like Mandelson's characterisation of those who are deeply troubled by our support for Israel's horrific actions in Palestine as "Corbynista left wing extremists". To quote Andrew Neil "if you knew how ridiculous that statement was you wouldn't have said it."
“IS” ….. he will be voted out end of
People just want to be able to afford a home and a decent quality of life That means massively raising wages, or massively reducing the costs of housing and household bills Alternatively, see what "solution" the far right offer. It will be a total con, but people who are desperate may well take that chance Is anyone in the big parties really looking at the cost of housing and household bills?
An unelected NIGHTMARE.
A lot of us know starmer will be just the same as sunak. We need an alternative
The Green Party refused to let Ken Livingstone join.
*Mandelson probably said "suppository". He has a one-track mind.*
@yuna-1971
15 күн бұрын
Homophobic much?
@davidjames2083
15 күн бұрын
@@yuna-1971 It may seem so, but not really, I simply don't like Peter Mandelson... Sorry! 👍 ❤
@yuna-1971
15 күн бұрын
@@davidjames2083 that’s fair enough. I think he speaks a lot of good points tbh
They clearly are scared of the Greens.
@markwelch3564
13 күн бұрын
First they laugh at us, then they fight us, then we win
In France I used to vote for the Socialists or the Greens, sometimes both (Green at the first round of the presidential election, Socialist at the second round). Then the French Greens merged with another pro environment party, that was also pro Europe and in a way more centrist, and I liked them even more. Then they turned watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside), obsessed with culture wars, trans issues, being anti business, etc., they hardly ever mention the environment. They have become unelectable as a result.
Look at them through the glass window again… the cast of the inbetweeners!
Listen, the Prime Minature is way, way out of his depth, the sooner the sTories go th3 better !
@malcolmmitchell6529
13 күн бұрын
" prime miniature " very good! he certainly is.
The fact that Sunak ever occupied No 10 still boggles the mind brought up on an educational system based on the one left behind by the British Raj. Nevertheless, it was a real life the empire strikes back situation between England and India. However, the weakness was in the spearhead who think and behave more British than the average modern British politician. So, it won't surprise too many observers if Sunak does not survive the first real challenge that blows his way though that could very well betray a very limited understanding of modern English politics.
Excellent discussion
is Mandelson being disingenuous (with his "advice" to the Greens / Tories / LDs) just to be provocative ... or because he's so tribal he can't do anything else?
You can only negatively campaign if you have nothing positive to offer.
Pretty funny now the Unions and Labour have come out and they agree and it’s not been watered down.
Problem is, Starmer is the Devil in waiting. The Devil has two faces, one Tory the other one Labour. It couldn't be that clearer!
@juliegreen640
14 күн бұрын
What a load of tosh!! But it's made me laugh!!!😂😂
@Redsleather
12 күн бұрын
Give me Starmer over Sunak any day
Jesus how bad can times journalism get.
I can't listen to this tripe
The area of workers rights that is needed is unions in contract labour and IT as the near slavery in gaming firms is literally destroying the industry with shareholders with unrealistic expectations.
PM....COULD OPEN A RESTURANT.
@SlowhandGreg
16 күн бұрын
I'd say run a bath What car does Rhishi Sunak drive A Ford Fiasco
@user-js3rg9sj1k
16 күн бұрын
HA HA...HE IS TAPPED.
@FranzBieberkopf
14 күн бұрын
Nah, he and his wife and kids will head to California to spend more time with his (and her) money
@malcolmmitchell6529
13 күн бұрын
Or even a chemists
@malcolmmitchell6529
13 күн бұрын
A camel
I would rather have Corbynistas in my party than a Far Right Tory like Natalie Elphicke. I refuse to vote for a party that are willing to jam up their benches with the very people we want out of office.
@Redsleather
12 күн бұрын
Elphicke is standing down at the next election
Good to see rishi sunak apologising to the victims of the taited blood scandal ,perhaps he can reinforce this with some on going revolutionary legal action ,insuring that all politicians ,civil servants ,andgovernment departures must be legally bound to report any dishonesty or potential cover up ,relzting to their actions regarding citizens . YOU HAVE BEEN AN ABJECT FAILURE ,EVEN FOR YOUR OWN PARTY ,GO OUT WITH A MODICUM OF ACHIEVEMENT AND LET ACTION IN THIS AREA BE A LEGACY OF RESPECT AND SAFETY ,FOR THE CITIZENS YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY FAILED THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF GOVT SERVICE
Yes
Clicked so fast…. Couldn’t wait after his nonsense speech
He's good at spread sheets n that's about it.
Strategy?
Daniel Finkelstein must have been a very frustrating adviser he just goes round and round in endless circles never reaching a conclusion.
😂WELCOME TO STARMERGEDDON 😂
@yuna-1971
15 күн бұрын
How so? What policies don’t you agree with?
@LesHentschel-hk2hd
14 күн бұрын
Things can only get better with Starmer.
@yuna-1971
14 күн бұрын
@@LesHentschel-hk2hd ABSOLUTELY! 🌹🌹🌹 bring on the landslide
💯💯💯💯
Imagine taking moral lectures from Epsteins mate Peter Mandelson
His game was over before it started. The policies did him in from the get go.
Not him
'Better the devil you know' was Kylie.
@malcolmmitchell6529
13 күн бұрын
Who bloody cares?
Sorry just realised this is TR . I'm out. Ta Ta
He should not be pm
Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha
I don't have time for idiotic chatter.
@malcolmmitchell6529
13 күн бұрын
So let's not discuss politics.
@Redsleather
12 күн бұрын
So vote Labour ✅🌹
He was fine in his role in The Jungle Book, but playing the PM, he is out of his depth.
Rishi Sunak is making angrier and angrier. I have never voted, but I will be voting Labour. I can't be gaslit by that man anymore 😢
@davidclapham8078
15 күн бұрын
reform...
@gjthomas9770
15 күн бұрын
@@davidclapham8078 Why Reform?
@Redsleather
12 күн бұрын
Vote Labour ✅🌹
what's wrong with u people???
MSCChinmaykapasia
Vile commentary from an entitled dismissive Toraidh
@chriselliott726
15 күн бұрын
Have you joined the Greens?
Sunak may change Squtting laws to stay in number 10
Too slimy god awful peter meddlesome
You need a tax system that benefits entrapraneurs. Otherwise more decline masked by deficit spenting.
@markwelch3564
13 күн бұрын
Do you mean landlords, or entrepreneurs? They're not the same thing
Re. Elphicke - whilst I wouldn't argue she behaved well in relation to her husband's case, I'm slightly surprised that it's apparently impossible for anyone to even attempt a degree of understanding. We all support the importance of making sure that victims feel they'll be believed if they come forward, but surely we get that the offender's wife might at least initially not react that way. She probably wouldn't have been with him if she'd thought him capable of that behaviour? In cases like this, the spouses and family of offenders are in a sense secondary victims, and I think we should have a tiny bit of empathy for the idea that it might take them a while to come round to accepting the truth of the allegations.
Mandy is riding the shirt tails of Starmer. Matt is such a lightweight, and the only serious person is Danny F, I'm a Labour supporter and party member
Vote Reform UK 🇬🇧
I think the tide has turned. Whatever you say about Sunak he measures up to Starmer all of a sudden. Everything seems to have changed
@brianm.9062
16 күн бұрын
which tide are you looking at? its not the one the rest of the country is looking at.
@seanoconnor8843
16 күн бұрын
@@brianm.9062 I tell you. Starmer has taken the Labour party outside and shot it. People are forced to reassess their views now. The shock is only just being felt
@dj_cakes
16 күн бұрын
@@seanoconnor8843 hahaha
@thomasmoore1499
16 күн бұрын
@@seanoconnor8843 You are a nut
@seanoconnor8843
16 күн бұрын
@@dj_cakes it crushed me
Tory will wn . Not labour.
@swanvictor887
16 күн бұрын
awwww bless.... forgot to take your meds again or is this just you, grieving?
@TheGava4
16 күн бұрын
NUUUUUURRRSE😵💫😵💫😵💫
@RichWizard07
16 күн бұрын
🤣😂🤣
@meltodd4103
16 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@brianm.9062
16 күн бұрын
nice one, had me going for a minute I actually thought you meant it. ;)
Of course little imps time is up, but why have Dracula's brother himself on to say so ....
@SlowhandGreg
16 күн бұрын
It's entertaining he wound up the Greens last week
@markwelch3564
13 күн бұрын
@@SlowhandGregI found it very informative to know that Mandelson sees no place in Labour for the sort of policies that would be moderate centre-left social democracy in the Nordic countries
@SlowhandGreg
13 күн бұрын
@@markwelch3564 when did he say that been listening to the podcasts?
@markwelch3564
13 күн бұрын
@@SlowhandGreg because he's derogatory towards "corbynistas" - but the Corbyn platform was entirely unremarkable moderate social democrat policy
@SlowhandGreg
13 күн бұрын
@markwelch3564 it was rewinding Thatcherism for ideological reasons while spending well over a trillion doing it. If you want to have public ownership of say energy then build replacement capacity as its needed don't buy old clapped out coal stations or gas standby stations.