For the love of God, never rip audio to a lossy digital format. Always use WAV / FLAC or other non-compressed formats. The snap crackle pop of vinyl can already be bad enough so you do not want to add on top of that artifacts inherent in low bitrate digital formats.

@Bassotronics

3 жыл бұрын

@ *W NG* Oh yes I truly agree with you in the car environment for example where you have other noises all around you, MP3 is still convenient. But is it still necessary due to today’s hard drives having higher capacity?...not really. It’s really all up to the user and what they have available. For example all MP3s that I have are 320kbps and no less.

@krypto_9872

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah always use WAV/APE/FLAC/WV/ALAC or if you can DSD. For me space isn't a issue. I own a Fiio M11 which supports two 1tb sd cards.

@fatherfintanstack8810

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno, I like the rice crispies in my vinyl. It... takes me back? I dunno. I just know I prefer the imperfections. Some of my favorite mp3s also are the ones that didn't encode correctly for some reason. Maybe I'm just weird. Reminds me of a certain Asimov story where a lady unknowingly owned a defective robot who severely malfunctioned one day, she took it in to get it serviced, and the repairman fixed him up... but he also unwittingly "fixed" the initial "defects" that gave him his desired personality.

@fatherfintanstack8810

3 жыл бұрын

@@krypto_9872 heck yes on the Fiio M11. I own the same and other than the weird issues with it's eq, I love it. Can I ask what software you use to listen on it? I'm using PowerAmp and the Onkyo one isn't bad either, but I'm very open to others.

@krypto_9872

3 жыл бұрын

@@fatherfintanstack8810 if I need to use EQ I use poweramp. Otherwise I usually use the default fiio player. Depends on what headphones I'm using.

You can rip the sound but not the experience :)

@sbonamo

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, because getting up and down every 20 minutes versus an playing endless list of continuous music from your favorite chair is a great experience..

@SpaceCaptainCreations

Жыл бұрын

Having a couple hundred 7 inchers isn’t an experience lol, it’s a work out. I’m looking forward to digitizing my 7” collection.

I love listening to vinyl rips in DSD, specially when the wow and popping is very minimal. It does sound less harsh compared to CD albums.

@jopar3292

3 жыл бұрын

Same here - when you find a good one there is NOTHING out there to compare!

@georgeweah9717

2 жыл бұрын

I have DSD rip of Sade vinyl and it has more fludity, clarity or i feel fidelity than cd version. They both come frome same master. Is this possible or I am imagining things. Please answer?

@JustABowlOfCherries

4 ай бұрын

CDs are superior to Vinyl, just look it up.

I use VInyl Studio to Rip my records. I guarantee you won't be disappointed. I have used this method as it was recommended early on by folks conducting seminars at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest almost 20 years ago. I have a collection of over 2,000 records. That is just a fraction of what I owned decades ago as a DJ. Nonetheless, I have been selective ripping my collection and have reduced my rips to roughly half. The interface for the program has changed over the years . It remains #1 in my opinion over most others. It does most of the work for you including dividing tracks, looking up tracks and artist info and album art work to name a few. It offers Wav, Flac, Alac and DSD conversions for the varied listeners.

@spr1691

Жыл бұрын

If you like to, you should share your records on the Soulseek network!

@VendendoNaInternetAgora

Ай бұрын

Is it possible to rip a SACD? If so, how do I do it?

Music producer Eric Valentine did this (he has a YT channel showing it) He sent a dynamic master to the a vinyl press and recorded the vinyl back into digital format, and finished the master, equaled out the frequency response a bit with a digital eq and released it digitally. It sounds very pleasing as the vinyl replaces, to some extent, pure high end frequencies with harmonics and makes it sound smoother warmer and more pleasing to the ear, at least to my ear and his.

@timolexmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds interesting, reminds me of Stockfisch Records' "DMM CD" approach. Do you have a link to the Eric Valentine video? :)

@caspermaster-com

3 жыл бұрын

@@timolexmusic sure :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/ao2JudBtpcrHl5c.html Can you tell me more about the DMM approach?

@timolexmusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@caspermaster-com thx! Here's a video on DMM CD: kzread.info/dash/bejne/anmOw9yYeZOTgrg.html

@gyrgrls

3 жыл бұрын

This has me wondering how the DAD workflow was done back in the 90's - what medium was used for the analog segment...

I bought Temporary Circumstances by Jessica Carson from Octave Records on SACD. Playing this on a cheapie Sony SACD/Blu-ray player through my Vandersteen 2C's is an other-worldly experience. I can't imagine that an LP can compare to this recording.

@RumblestripDotNet

3 жыл бұрын

It is pretty easy, for about $1000 you can have a reasonable turntable and phono preamp and take the Pepsi challenge.

@CarlosRodriguez-hu4eb

Жыл бұрын

I like what they're doing at octave. Wish more labels would take the effort to produce such quality

I like when people bash analog vinyl so prices can come down !! :)

@TheMirolab

3 жыл бұрын

But he's not bashing vinyl at all.

@andershammer9307

3 жыл бұрын

There is such a boom in record collecting now that I can't even find regular records in decent shape at a decent price. It's a good thing I have about 5000 of them.

Looks like a nice Turntable you have their Paul.👍💙

Shure M91ED on a Dual 1219 (force set at 1.25g), "black box" (Stan Warren one-off) version of a PS Audio PSII, Philips CDR820 recorder, Maxell CD-R. Every CD made with this combination sounds Identical to playing the record directly --- pops, ticks, rumble, wow, flutter, and all. I do pull the spindle and center most records manually because the pressing plants didn't make many of them perfectly concentric.

@frankvanhelvert6231

Жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing,i made some recordings using a pro-cdr recorder marantz 651 now obsolete of course,for lp recordings and everything a lp has was captured faithfully except for 1: SOUNDSTAGE ! i used pro grade cdr the mofi ultradisc 24 karat gold among other brands cdr,but eitherway the soundstage collapsed almost entirely when played back have you noticed anything similar? thanks

What are the recommended programs? Audacity works fine for me.

New to your chanel, enjoy anything audio,love music, was wondering why can't any subwooger be used in ib and what the difference is between the design for a ib woofer and a standard boxed woofer???? Any videos on the differences??

I bought a ION turntable years ago at Costco that you can either use the RCA's or a USB output. Ripped a few Albums from it that I just didn't want to rebuy or they may have never came out on CD.

Back in the day..I would "RIP" selective tracks from new records from an SME/Shure arm/cartridge combination to open reel tape on a Revox_A77 using an "outboard" Dolby unit (Advent 100A). The idea was to capture the sound of the record BEFORE it got worn or scratched. I almost always liked the sound of the played tape better than the sound of the original record being played. Can't explain why. Still using that SME 3009 tonearm. Trashed the guts of the Dolby unit for the chassis though. Still have many of those tapes...never play them anymore though.

@jdekong3945

3 жыл бұрын

tape is a funny thing, it can sound really good, I guess like vinyl its the imperfections that can make for an enjoyable listening experience

@dhpbear2

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdekong3945 Many are unaware of head-azimuth adjustment on playback! This makes a HUGE difference!

@jdekong3945

3 жыл бұрын

@@dhpbear2 agree totally David, always had a screwdriver handy back in the day to pull out the last bit of detail from the tape that I could :o)

Paul refers to a Paul's post on ripping. Cannot find it. Can anybody provide a link to that specific entry?

@CarlosRodriguez-hu4eb

3 жыл бұрын

www.psaudio.com/community/pauls-posts/

I like CD's much more than vinyl.

@the_newvoice

3 жыл бұрын

It depends... :)

@mikewilliamson1539

3 жыл бұрын

They sure stand the test of time better than vinyl. My wife has a bunch of old Beach Boys albums that are completely worthless due to scratches. But all her CDs are still perfect.

@the_newvoice

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikewilliamson1539 I have lots of VHS and I love it!

@Wordsalad69420

3 жыл бұрын

@@mamaluigi0631 where'd you get that number? I have a huge collection and besides a handful of mostly popular artists, most of my CDs sound great.

@flargosa

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of the newer cds are not mastered for a audiophile system, you still have to pick and chose.

Totally agree Paul..!

Shame you stopped making the Nuwave Phono Converter that had an ADC.

I use Diamond Cut DC8.5 it has all tools you need and then some! Great for tape too. Z.K.

The make-it-at-home vinyl record kit from Ronco are hard to find, these days.

Great talk. I am researching this. I can't find anything on vinyl ripping in Paul's Posts.

Would using a dbx expander work well for going from lp to something like a 24/96 recorder?

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think this is a good plan. Even if it is a good idea, I would lean to simply ripping the raw vinyl and using a software expander AFTER you've already done the AD conversion. Be sure to rip at with your digital meters showing around -18dBFS (to -12dBFS on the peaks). Resist the urge to crank up the gain. If you like the sound of vinyl, you're liking the compression used during vinyl mastering. If you want more dynamic range, simply find a CD master or re-master. Why attempt to undo the thing you like, in a sketchy way?

Paul, I think inadvertently, you opened up the Pandora's Box (excuse the the Steaming Pun), over Vinyl vs CDs..... That battle continues all over the web. IMO, listening to my old LPs again on a 2 home systems (1 is older : NAD 1300 Preamp, NAD 2600 Amp, Dual CS5000 TT connected to KEF 104/2 speakers ; the other a newer Basement studio setup with a Denon DRA-800H Receiver , Audio-Technica TT LP120XBT-USB connected to 2 pairs of Bookshelf speakers - Elac Debut 6.2 and Fluance Signature Series [don't ask why 2 different pairs of speakers , but they seem to integrate pretty well], LPs have their Place in Audio. Yes digital has more Dynamic range vs Vinyl, but when comparing the LP an d a CD of the same Music, there is a "tonal" quality to the vinyl. That is especially true vs. the original un- remastered CDs. Playing remastered CDs (like Santana's Abraxis or the new Beatles White Album), the sound is fabulous!! Bottomline, There is a difference of the sounds played on higher quality equipment, for sure. Be well all..... Love these discussions on audio . At 69 yo and retired , what else can you do? Oh yeah, back to playing drums after a 51 year layoff !!

You handled that well

Once the corn has turned into popcorn, you cannot do the reverse process, that is, you cannot turn the popcorn back into corn.

No problem...i will pick up that table next week!

I have a fan-less disk-less "industrial" computer as my main PC at home, so it is completely silent. Once I've ripped tracks from vinyl or CD, usually in 24/96 to flac, I keep it in that format and do not burn audio CDs, and copy selected flac files to my phone for travel. I archive the files to DVD-R and external USB drives for safekeeping, but play directly from the 'puter for regular listening. A good interface and powered pro monitors work well enough for me. Most of my music is classical solo piano, which I study for my own playing -- no time for "entertainment"! Solo piano has a much larger dynamic range than other music, as I've learned from trying to record my own grand, and is particularly sensitive to phase distortion between channels (even in the ultrasonic range), so compressed formats like MP3 immediately sound horrible by comparison.

I'd like to digitizing my vinyl records through my budget turntable system; Music hall mmf mark1, pro-ject phonobox preamp. Should I get 2nd gen or 3rd gen Focusrite ? and is there a difference in sound quality between solo, 2i2 ? My only reason to get audio interface card is record my vinyl and upload youtube without much loss of sound quality.

@CarlosRodriguez-hu4eb

Жыл бұрын

I use focusrite myself. It's amazing. It won't matter if you're uploading to KZread since KZread downsizes quality for storage and faster streaming

I have bookoo needle drops of high quality Beatle’s vinyl ripped to FLAC. They do sound good. When compared to the 2009 Beatle’s remasters, they sound just okay. There is a warmth that is captured on needle drop’s that the remasters do not have. The rips I have were done by Drew Ebbetts. Look him up here: www.beatleswiki.com/wiki/index.php/Dr._Ebbetts_Retires_from_the_Beatles_Remastering_Business

To sum up: old way of recording was better and it was during vinyl era - that's why vinyl is so appealing.

@freekwo7772

3 жыл бұрын

@Homesteader Workouts that's part of the media, not the recording itself. Vinyl is not so goodm media, but obviously but it was the mainstream format during the period of better recording process and people often wants to hear that. I don't see why else except fashionable resons. If you hear latest Diana Krall CD or Dire Straits or remastered Rory Gallagher collection, there is no doubt about the qualty of sound. I can imagine that there are lots of examples for good or bad. Etc...

Use a reasonable quality audio interface that won't colour the sound such is a Motu M2.

Do any lossless ripping programs offer programmable upscaling of dynamic range from 70db to 100db or better?

@GaryB007

3 жыл бұрын

You can't upscale dynamic range. The old DBX boxes from years ago compressed the signal before recording and expanded it on playback to simulate extra dynamic range, but they died out for good reason.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryB007 You can, just not in the way people want to. LOL

The digital copy of an LP is close but not quite as good. I've burned many CDs from LPs. Few CDs have the dynamic range of a direct to disc LP. And then there are DBX records with no noise and 100dB of dynamic range. I have about 20 of them.

@pauldavies6037

3 жыл бұрын

yes shame they never took off

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

3 жыл бұрын

This is wrong, but wrong in theory instead of wrong in fact. A digital copy of an LP is good enough. And if your CDs have no dynamic range, it's not because CDs don't have enough dynamic range. It's just your taste in music.

@andershammer9307

3 жыл бұрын

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I don't care about theory. As they say the proof is in the pudding. I have Telarc recordings on both LP and CD and the source for them is a digital tape recorded with the soundstream digital system that samples at 50K. I have done comparisons of the LPs to the CDs and had many people listen and all agree the LPs are more dynamic. I also did a comparison of a live classical concert to these LPs and they sound very close to the real thing.

I do love Vinyl. I have an Equalizer between my stereo components and my analog to digital component before going into my computer, so I can adjust the sound to my liking's. I like more bass and less treble. The high tones hurts my ears. The Vinyl records has "high" ends AND "low" ends that CD's cut out. And by digitizing them, you can put unlimited music on a thumbdrive for you car stereo... Save your CD's, Vinyl's, and Cassette's as back-ups, just in-case you digital music get corrupted.

@KateAustinTx

3 жыл бұрын

P.S. I use "Inport - LP Recorder, LP Ripper, WaveCor."

@newphilmz3605

2 жыл бұрын

Vinyl has low ends cut off and bass in mono. Cds have way more bass.

It is possible to rip a CD in the same way as you rip vinyls? I mean use a cd player with RCA out instead of turntable+preamp

I'm pretty sure that white shelf would collapse if it had just ONE more CD on it lol

Digital recording at its best performance is much superior to what vinyl can do. Still, vinyl can sound better due to other reasons...like digital mastering done with too much compression to please our kids with their crappy earbuds and Bluetooth speakers. Don’t forget to help this by giving them some audiophile Christmas gifts.

@nuancepill8066

3 жыл бұрын

So true- CDs true potential was never used.

@geoff37s38

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The Red Book CD 44.1/16 CD standard is a no compromise system capable of superb audio reproduction. Sadly, many recording studios seem unable or unwilling to make full use of this potential. I have listened to thousands of CD albums but only a few could be considered good recordings. Some of the best CD recordings are from three or four decades ago which proves the problem is not the recording format.

@ThinkingBetter

3 жыл бұрын

@@geoff37s38 Yes, indeed, when people are not happy with the "digital sound" of a CD, it's usually about the mastering of the tracks rather than the CD format itself. However, some nuances in the treble can sound slightly different when sampling at higher sample rates. Actually, one of the problems with modern digital music mastering is sample rate conversion. If a studio is mastering their tracks in, let's say, 48kHz 24 bits PCM (quite common), and they have to downconvert the sample rate to CD quality 44.1kHz, the conversion itself will be lossy and the result is inferior to if the studio had mastered in 44.1kHz natively.

@geoff37s38

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThinkingBetter I can understand why studios use high sample rates and bit depth as editing is simpler but I guess a skilled engineer should be able to place the final output in a 44.1/16 bucket without degrading quality. I have just upgraded my DAC so I thought I would try one MQA capable. I was skeptical of MQA and this doubt still remains. Poorly recorded albums still sound like crap in MQA. No amount of tinkering with the format can replace detail lost in the original recording.

@ThinkingBetter

3 жыл бұрын

@@geoff37s38 Of course you can transcode 48kHz 24 bits to 44.1kHz 16 bits but every sample coming out of it is an interpolation of slightly more samples at different points of the sound waves. Of course, it's better to avoid sample rate conversion or start with a much higher sample rate for a more precise sample interpolation..

i have yet to hear a digital source that didn't sound veiled; the future is surely improved analogue recording methods

Paul mentions ripping software, but completely ignored the hardware part. You also need quality A/D converters, which the average person does not have. The one's built into a computer are just OK, but likely won't capture what high-end vinyl sounds like. Otherwise, I totally agree with Paul. If you have a decent Studio Quality audio interface, and record your vinyl at 24/96, you would not be able to tell the difference between the two. But I never do that. I just play my records.

Although digital has the potential of 100db or more of dynamic range, you will not find anyone taking advantage of it, or very rare. Most commercial recordings have a limited dynamic range of 10db or at best 20db, not counting total silence between tracks. I have a DSD Telarc SACD 50kHz Master transfer of Tchaikovsky 1812 overture with live cannon. That of course is an exception. I have the vinyl record as well, but most turntables won't or can't track the groove without skipping. The best CD for dynamic range I have found is Flim and the BB's Big Notes last song "Born to Love You". That is the song I would play when I get a chance to hear the Infinity IRS V. Some very very low shuddering bass in there as well.

PBTHAL 🙌🙌🙌🙌

I wonder if it's true, but I used to tell people that people don't love LPs... they love the mastering that had to be done for LPs to not have the grooves so wide... if they master CDs (or make SACDs, hi-res audio) to be like that, they probably won't want LPs as much.

Almost all of my audio is ripped from vinyl. when done well the quality 90% of the time far surpasses the cd version. I have many vinyl rips that have zero clicks and only a tiny bit of noise in the run in that gives me something very special in terms of sound. It does depend to some degree what you are looking for / synergy of your system but essentially you can end up with a 24-192 analog rip that is often just brilliant. DSD ripped vinly can also be very very good BUT the rip does need a very careful clean before hand. By far the best I have heard is...which is rarer is quality reel to reel rips. They have that something special which moves you to tears :D Not enough space here to go into details but vinyl rips are now my go (using Sony NW Wm1a)

@garettpereda7769

Жыл бұрын

Don’t know if you’re going to see this, but what hardware are you using to rip vinyl? A digital phono pre? If so, which model? Thanks!

@jopar3292

Жыл бұрын

@@garettpereda7769 Hi Garett - Here are some set up of friends. 1. Knosti RCM. Michell GyroDec full version. Funk Firm FXR II Tonearm. Audio Technica AT33PTG/II MC Cartridge. Harman Kardon HK990 Integrated Amplifier. Gold Interconnects. E-MU 0204 Audio Interface 2. RCM Hannl ‘limited’ with “Rotating Brush” Music Hall MMF 9.1 Turntable Tonearm: Pro-Ject 9cc evo with Pure Silver Wires Cartridge: Nagaoka MP-500 Brocksieper Phonomax (Tube Phono PreAmp) E-MU 0404 external USB 2.0 Audio interface Interconnections : Silent Wire NF5 3. VPI Scout w/ JMW9 tonearm Audio-Technica AT33PTG/II cartridge Pro-Ject Phono Box RS phono preamp 4. ibrato 80kHz Ultrasonic Cleaner VPI HW-16.5 Record Cleaning Machine Homebrew record cleaning fluid using Triton X100 Rega P25 Turntable with GrooveTracer Reference subplatter, acrylic platter, Michell Tecnoweight and machined dual pulley Music Hall Cruise Control 2.0 - DS Audio DS 003 cartridge DS Audio DS 003 energizer/EQ Schiit Jil A/D converter

@garettpereda7769

Жыл бұрын

@@jopar3292 Thank you for sharing!

@jopar3292

Жыл бұрын

@@garettpereda7769 👍 End of the day its more about finding the best synergy for you although it helps using the quality of gear that you see here! Everyone I know who does a good job though spends most time cleaning the records first

@garettpereda7769

Жыл бұрын

@@jopar3292 I have some nice equipment, but this would be my first venture into A/D converters. Most of what's on the market appears to be geared toward professional/studio use. I wish the Schiit Jim was still on the market!

The dime is still on cartridge's shell!. Z.K.

The most important thing to understand is the difference between reference level in analog versus digital meters. For example, 0dB/+4dB on your analog equipment is calibrated to around -18dBFS (decibels 'full scale') in the digital realm. This gives digital about 18dB of excess headroom for analog peaks, as it is being converted to digital. MANY people simply crank up their analog gear louder and louder, until the digital meter shows as close to 0 dBFS as possible. This is basically running your analog gear at around +18dB (instead of about +4dB). If you don't already know what I'm talking about, make this an immediate priority to learn. It's the single most important thing when dealing with analog/digital interactions. And YES. Rip your vinyl ASAP... maybe something like 24/88 in case you ever decide to downsample to burn a CD. Once you sample it, you're not wearing out your record collection just by listening to it. Rip it once and then store/preserve it.

@andershammer9307

3 жыл бұрын

I use a record preservative that stop record wear for 200 plays so I'm not worried about playing my records. I stopped using my CD player. Every time I hear some sibilant distortion on an LP the distortion sounds worse on the commercial CD.

@Hyxtryx

10 ай бұрын

Sorry for the 2 year late reply, but are you saying that by running your analog gear at +18dB to get as close to 0db in the digital realm as possible, it's bad because the analog gear might start compressing the signal when it gets that high? This is what I've been doing when ripping my vinyl, and I've been wondering if it's having a detrimental effect. I keep it from clipping, but I try to get up to -0.8 or -0.5 dB. I figure I get a better S/N ratio that way, and louder sounds better. When I A/B it against a CD, I don't want to have to adjust the volume a lot.

what was the turn table in the video

@Paulmcgowanpsaudio

3 жыл бұрын

That's a VPI. Great table.

So michael Fremer was Ripping to cassette and listening on a walkman? Nice

@timolexmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I think he's referring to Sony's digital high res players branded "Walkman", I believe I can recall Fremer pointing out the great sound of digital vinyl transfers in one of his videos once.

@AccuphaseMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@timolexmusic Sony's walkmans have fallen behind tremendously though, unfortunately.

@AccuphaseMan

3 жыл бұрын

@Nicholas Why not keep is as Side A and Side B. Seems easy enough.

Surely with right skills an equipment one can not only convert analog to digital, but also improve it. If only you had perfect pitch, plenty of skills and MONEY to do that.

What hardware is required for Vinyl ripping to DSD? The majority of the good rips out there dont go beyond 24/96 FLAC. Does anyone sell an all in one solution for DSD ripping?

@justanotheryoutubeuser5029

3 жыл бұрын

Most i see in vinyl ripping is using the playstation 3. They say its one of the best to make a dff. file from vinyl.

@AllboroLCD

3 жыл бұрын

@@justanotheryoutubeuser5029 Wow! Ok, had no idea! Kind of how many use the XboxOne as a 4k upscaler, interesting! Where does the vinyl come in with PS3, all I see if people doing CD & SACD rips.

@justanotheryoutubeuser5029

3 жыл бұрын

@@AllboroLCD i really have no idea how. Lol I just see that they use some sort of “crack file” to do it. Im not that great in computer linggo.

Almost no recordings actually have anything remotely close to 100dB or even 70dB of dynamic range. With most modern recordings it's usually more like 10dB or less. As for frequency response, 45 KHz is perfectly achievable on a vinyl record, and was in fact required for CD4 encoded quad recordings in the 1970s.

@andresosinski3053

3 жыл бұрын

45 khz may be achievable but how many plays before the high frequency range gets degraded? Doesn't really matter though because there is not a single human being that can hear above 20 Khz.

@jonathanvanier

3 жыл бұрын

@@andresosinski3053 The usefulness of higher frequencies in music is a hot topic, but not so simple as merely citing the oft mentioned 20-20k human hearing range. For example, I can hear a pure tone up to about 16k, right where you'd expect based on my age. Yet, I can reliably distinguish between identical recordings in standard CD resolution and high resolution. And that's been confirmed on more than one double blind, randomized and statistically significant ABX tests. More importantly, I'm far from being a unique case, since about 20-30% of the general population can do as much, based on current scientific data from the field of psychoacoustics. Why is that so? I don’t think we know, but research is ongoing. So while I will agree that a pure tone above 20k will not be heard by a human ear, I must disagree that higher frequencies are irrelevant for music. How much relevant is it? That's probably debatable, but I can tell you from my personal experience that at least for some music, the difference is significant enough for me to favour high resolution recordings when available.

@doowopper1951

3 жыл бұрын

@@andresosinski3053 that 45kHz signal on a CD4 album lasted for at least 100 plays. And when I was in my 20s, I could easily hear a 23kHz tone.

@andresosinski3053

3 жыл бұрын

@@doowopper1951 there is not a single professional audio society, or acoustics researcher in this entire planet who has ever found in a century of experimentation a single person who has ever had a threshold of hearing of such frequency.

@andresosinski3053

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanvanier can you show me a paper on that subject? Everyone I was ever told about that could "hear" hypersonics ended up just hearing amplifier noise or piezo reverberation.

I guess that proves which medium is better. Unless you enjoy cleaning records and listening to pops, clicks and underlying noise? Sounds like

According to fremer himself the ‘live” vinyl at his Home sounds way better than the rips he is using what Paul mentioned. So its actually not true. There is a big difference!

So the little ADC somewhere on some unknown i/o chip in your (Macintosh?) computer is so good that you can hardly hear the difference? Just out of curiosity, what ADC does Gus use for the Sonoma DSD recording system for Octave Records.

@stephensmith3111

3 жыл бұрын

Okay, found this in the liner notes for Out Of Thin Air: Somoma DAW with Meitner ADC/DAC Mk IV. and PS Audio DirectStream DAC. So EMMLabs ADC8 Mk IV?

Purchase a Brennan B-2 , which puts all your recordings on to a hard drive...

The opinions stated in this video are EXACTLY why PS Audio products sound the way they do. More miss than hit... Even they Engineers that HATED Vinyl with its' "Inherent flaws" used 24/96K or 24/192 cut vinyl to playback with more information than a 16 bit CD was able to reproduce.

Why both ripping vinyl unless it sounds better?

@TheMirolab

3 жыл бұрын

Portability? Convenience? Playlists? Archival? Remastering? do you want more reasons?

Imagine: Such a big/great industrial country like the USA and you are not allowed to travel... (sry, just a little bit off-topic)

Paul I love your videos But i think your incorrect about digital sounding better then vinyl. If anything it's the other way. If you use a oracle delphi turntable it will rival any digital front end, and beat it sound wise most of the time.

@andresosinski3053

3 жыл бұрын

If anything you might enjoy the coloring of the sound, but the digital medium can perfectly reproduce anything the human ear is capable of distinguishing with a precision that just doesn't exist with our analog media.

C‘mon, Paul. Vinyl directly from record sounds different, and to many better so, than via digital. And you know it. And is it not true, that most of the striving of creating the ideal DAC is owed to the desire to make it sound as analog? Producing direct to DSD is a different cup of tea though. And much appreciated.

AK5353VT

His the biggest vinyl junky 😅😂 lol

Hmmm... ))

Do not forget about cassette tapes, they are just as good vinyl, I have recorded up to 80 dB of dynamic range on analog tape, with my new digital bias system. This has been done by using an analog compandor, to bring the the 80 dB to 40 dB, using standard 2 to 1 ratio, and this is done in conjunction with my new adaptive noise reduction system. If you like Paul I can send you information to you/or PS audio on how this all works? as there are many new improvement been done with these older analog technologies, and therefore there is still a place for these older analog formats today.

Of course it works the other way what are you talking about mainly all modern recordings on vinyl done from a digital format, the lower frequencies below 40 Hz have to be cut off at 24db otherwise it won't fit onto the record necessarily but that can be compensated for with a subharmonic synthesizer

Been back in audio a couple of years. Got 3 systems and all are different. All sound good. I watch alot of channels and have come to the conclusion that people are fckn crazy. This wire makes a difference, that block under my speaker wire makes a difference, amp must be here, be there! WTF. Just rock n fckn roll and quit being so goddamn anal about little shit . Sure your expensive gear might sound better than mine but how much better? Not much I can guarantee u that.

Wow. Yes, in dsd. Or really high resolution pcm. But "digital" as a whole is a bit of a tricky thing to say. You lose a lot when copying a record to 16/44.1 cd quality. I'm in the process of ripping all of my records, which is a stupidly big job, and wouldn't want to do this below 24/192 personally. You just lose every bit of nuance

@geoff37s38

3 жыл бұрын

There is a widespread misunderstanding on how digital audio works and a belief that 44.1/16 is not good enough. The output analog waveform is not an approximation of the original and does not have stair steps. Here is a good explanation kzread.info/dash/bejne/lX2Fm6uRg7jgpbA.html

@rollingtroll

3 жыл бұрын

@@geoff37s38 It depends on whether you listen or measure. I'm sure 16/44.1 measures fine. But digitizing something in 16/44.1 as compared to 24/96 (or higher) is a massive change to my ears, especially with acoustical music like jazz. There's literally parts of the sound of the instrument missing. Try digitizing a very well recorded jazz record in 16/44 and 24/192 and compare for yourself. The beginnings of the tones of a trumpet and the slight build-up of the sound of brushes on a drum are gone, completely. They just 'appear'. It's almost like someone chopped it off slightly too tight in audio editing software. I'm sure that's stuff that's not (yet) measurable, but I hear the difference, so to me it's important. If others don't hear it, then more power to them :)

@rollingtroll

3 жыл бұрын

@ReaktorLeak There's more to music than frequency range :)

the db-rangelevel is a wellknown failing argument.Nearly all recorded music has only a range of maximal (!) 30 dB range, with good classical recordings.the dB rangelevel of popmusicis much much lower.This argument is therefore nonsense.

No point at all to ripping since Apple Music came on the scene.

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

3 жыл бұрын

wut

@hxhdfjifzirstc894

3 жыл бұрын

@@mamaluigi0631 And enjoy paying for music you already own, a second time.

Play a digital song, then play the same on a turntable. A difference WILL present itself.

I have played vinyl against CD’s and the vinyl always comes out on top. I have a decent 20 bit CD player, so I don’t think it has anything to do with quality of the player. The real issue is that digital audio is an approximation. It is squared off segments arranged in steps that mimic a smooth sine wave. There’s nuances in the analog recording that are lost in the digital transformation. I hear it mostly in cymbals and percussion instruments. There’s just something missing in the digital recording to my ears. I have a Shure V15 type V moving magnet cartridge and an Audio Technica OM9 moving coil cartridge. The CD player is a Denon 20 bit player. I have used the built in DAC and ran the digital feed directly into my receiver with no noticeable difference in sound quality, so I don’t think it’s the digital decoding process either.

@geoff37s38

3 жыл бұрын

There is a widespread misunderstanding on how digital audio works. The output analog waveform is not an approximation of the original and does not have stair steps. Here is a good explanation kzread.info/dash/bejne/lX2Fm6uRg7jgpbA.html

@The340king

3 жыл бұрын

@@geoff37s38 I watched the video and can unequivocally state that the sound quality between the two sources I have referenced does NOT match the theories presented in the video. If were to believe every video presented by peer reviewed scientists, I would consider several places on Earth underwater right now, that truly aren't or that the Earth is on fire and I need to take drastic measures to avoid worsening the problem. I don't want to go out and find the flat Earth videos to make my point. If I can't back up someone's claims with real world observation, then I don't give it credence. It's kind of like the difference between live recordings and studio recordings where the recording isn't a live recording, but separate tracks added together. There's a difference. Whether in this case it's the stair step or some other difference, there's a difference.

Do you not make enough money? Sprout? Why?

@danielcampbell9220

3 жыл бұрын

How about for those of us, that haven't enough money for whatever reason, to buy the other lines we may aspire too, and want a high quality well engineered product?

I personally loathe Vinyl rips... they sound like crap in my opinion... and people often do them at high bitrate and frequency. CD quality is vastly better.

I’ve always thought you would have better luck ripping vinyl to cassette and keeping the music analog

@kc9scott

3 жыл бұрын

Prior to 2002, I typically recorded my LPs onto cassette. Starting in 2002 I switched from that, to digitizing them to play on my iPod. The sound quality using digital was a huge improvement, and with no more problems of the cassette player eating the tapes. Still better is the same source material when obtained on CD rather than LP. At least with my not-particularly-audiophile system, the LPs have what sounds like some kind of harmonic distortion in the higher frequencies. I recently wrote a program to extract loudness-level and dynamic-range data from the music in my digital library, and put it into a CSV file to make a spreadsheet. My intent is to use this data to make volume edits as needed to get more song-to-song consistency when using playback devices (e.g. my car) that don't automatically do this. One thing that I found was that, probably as a result of the loudness war, my from-LP songs tend to use a larger dynamic range than the not-from-LP (i.e. from CD or online purchased) songs.

@mikewilliamson1539

3 жыл бұрын

@@kc9scott I get what you’re doing. I hate podcasts that have huge differences in recording levels between intros, content & commercials. Your iPod has a setting for Apple Music sound check that you can enable to do it automatically.

@kc9scott

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikewilliamson1539 Yes, I use that. The reason I'd still want to edit the files is (1) for playback on non-Apple devices, and (2) to find songs that have excessive dynamic range and compress them, to make their statistics more like "normal" music.

@andresosinski3053

3 жыл бұрын

There is nothing magical about keeping the medium analog or digital. Cassette has inferior sound reproduction and very high noise floor, and there is nothing that cassette is capturing that isn't captured in a digital medium that the human ear can't hear.

@gyrgrls

3 жыл бұрын

@@kc9scott Should we re-write the normalization function from scratch? Both Adobe Audition (formerly Sony Sound Forge) and Audacity, which is OSS, BTW, seem to do a fine job on-the-fly.

This is silly. Vinyl is not a good source for ripping. People think that they are going to retain the vinyl sound by ripping it. Not true.

"Ripping"? You're kidding, right? Unless you're talking about laser disc... simply recording an analog source to another analog (or digital) format is in no way "ripping". www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/ripping

@lynnpoole7830

3 жыл бұрын

Yep , that's what I thought. I have tons of music ripped from CD to FLAC on my PC.

@kc9scott

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree with the pcmag definition. To me, "ripping" implies converting from a more-complex format (probably digital) to a less-complex format (definitely digital). There's really not that much complexity to the CD format other than its layout on the disc and methods of error recovery. Ripping is just converting it into simple raw data. Any kind of data compression of the output is outside the scope of (i.e. in addition to) the ripping. Playing an LP and digitizing it is simple enough that I doubt it qualifies as ripping.

@gyrgrls

3 жыл бұрын

@@kc9scott Yeah, I caught that too. The article implies a necessarily lossy output file from ripped CD's, which is bollocks. Even EAC can write uncompressed wav or lossless flac files.