You reminded me of fencing. It devolved from swordplay into "we both get hit, but I win if you get hit 1 ms sooner".

@shiraitsukki

Ай бұрын

I fucking hate Olympics Fencing for this very reason

@luk4aaaa

Ай бұрын

People solved the game.

@victor-oh

Ай бұрын

​@@luk4aaaapeople optimized the fun out of the game

@phoenixfire9176

Ай бұрын

The solution: real swords, first blood wins

@derechte6086

Ай бұрын

Still takes a ton of technique to be faster - itll evolve eventually again I feint a little more to make those fast twitching mf regret outspeeding me

I heckin love dropping my slow push lane into recall to help the jungler do crab then engage some random invade and lose game :)

"Laning" against an Akali with Fleet footwork, Absurd Base-HP regen, Dorans shield, Second wind, refillable potion, TP and Mercs is super fun as a mage! Great design!

@quaderex3420

Ай бұрын

She has more regen than Garen at this point lmao. On most mages you go oom before you can kill her. At least you can farm first strike before the next patch

@westonprice6272

Ай бұрын

@@quaderex3420 also that bitchs lands an e and youre dead. And the fact that she has like 3k hp lategame without items with high resistances and a 3 flash range r.

@poom323

Ай бұрын

Not just regen, she actually has second highest base mr in game, only behind Talon by little bit, but she has shround to evade damage abilities, combined with tank like amount of hp, these make technically one of the tankiest champion against magic damage.

@dtstar331

Ай бұрын

The funniest thing about Akali is that she can go DShield + Second Wind because her base damage is more than enough to kill you Early in the game, she's essentially a tank with damage and mobility of an assassin

@redeal6581

Ай бұрын

Yeah but as a mage you have such a huge range advantage you can just sit behind minions for her E and do nothing all lane, it's boring on both sides because getting poked until you are forced to recall is even less fun, at least melee champs are able to exist in the lane against mages with infinite poke especially with the disgusting new burn items and bs.

the funny thing is, these sustain options exist for top and they are not nearly enough in top vs ranged top

@meo8258

Ай бұрын

Its coz ranged top are usually adcs where the damage is in autos but midlane mages have to trade with abilities and in early game mana is hard to regen back

@99temporal

Ай бұрын

They absolutely are(for the most part... They weren't a while back when varus top was at full force, and maybe now they aren't with tf top, but that's about it... All other matchups are manageable)

@Rydlan

Ай бұрын

@@meo8258 mana is a fake stat

@meo8258

Ай бұрын

@@Rydlan how so

@themegaladon18

Ай бұрын

​@99temporal I mean you are not going equal in cs like azzap states. They nerfed shield regen and second wind like a year ago, you cannot even come close to taking an auto or two for every cs

Still remember how Doinb obliterated IG to oblivion with Predator Rumble mid. Bro is zooming across the map torching everyone.

@ataberk3539

Ай бұрын

zooming across the map touching everyone.

@theguardianwolf7206

Ай бұрын

Bruh I had to play against rumble mid and that shit gave me cancer.

@samuel-nq6he

7 күн бұрын

​@theguardianwolf7206 it's even worse in top lol most matchups are unplayable and the few that are is still just 0 fun

Music: Veridis Quo by Draft Punk I didn't see a direct mention like that yet so I wrote it down. Hf

@weewooweewoo69

Ай бұрын

thank you 🙏

@Kittenbabe

Ай бұрын

Thanks

@oguzindahauz

25 күн бұрын

Dude I just came down to comments if someone wrote the name of the song. I hear it sometimes but suddenly I wanted to know the name of it and you saved me, thank you so much

@Olenderman

25 күн бұрын

@@oguzindahauz you're very welcome

@nolesabesxd6159

18 күн бұрын

Thanks❤❤

This is just general league. Personal agency and skill expression were completely pummeled to the ground in the last 5 seasons. Toplane became a coinflip lane, if you first pick you insta lose becouse Riot keeps nerfing safe picks into being unreliable so second picking is basically a free win lane button. Botlane became a braindead oneshot cheese lane where a support lands a single CC ability and Caitlyn follows up with a trap instakill combo or you get Jinx chompered or Varus ulted or Nami gives Lucian a single E and you get oneshot level 2. In Jungle you can literally just clear camps with one hand and 90% of the times you leave a failed gank, do one camp and you're back to full HP

@lucsas9277

Ай бұрын

your view of the game is so delusional, yes the game state is bad, but it always has been, you do realize that people have complained ever since s1? top lane isnt coinflip, its just the most mechanical lane, jungle is super hard and i cant jjst state everything thst goes into it in a sibgle comment, you basically just need perfect game logic and map awareness and always question yourself, adc, i agree, is a stupid role and everybody agrees, support was broken af but now its okay, and mid idk much abt but the game rn is pretty good tbh

@angstyteen1215

Ай бұрын

@@lucsas9277top lane skill matchup? You’ve never played urgot into tryn, maokai into fiora, riven into poppy

@FaceFish9

Ай бұрын

@@lucsas9277 top lane is 100% a coinflip, you play a gwen into any of the usual bruisers, you are going down 50cs with no way back into the game, but you pick someone like ksante into that and you'll be bullying them from lvl1 to 18... its simply dependant on what champion you pick and what is picked into it.. Jungle hard? maybe once upon a time when you had to be thinking if you wanted to take a camp or gank, now you can full clear, while ganking, and still be at 50%+ hp.. it just was not a thing at points of the games history... ADC is just broken ever since like season 2 and is balanced by getting nuked by well everything but with so much damage in the game now, it's not an ADC problem, even tanks get nuked out of the game so yeah... League is at it's worst and has been since people complained about tank meta (which was not fun to watch ofc) but ever since those 2 seasons, the damage rampup has been so nuts that there is simply 0 skill expression in the game and everything is decided by your champion picks.

@neocalamity3459

Ай бұрын

​​@@lucsas9277 top lane is such a coinflip that other roles are starting to initiate or accept priority swaps just so their toplaner is not counterpicked. You could say other roles do that with each other as well but the swap is almost 90% the top laner and whoever is last in the list. And yes fundamentals are an important thing so a good chogath who knows fundamentals can beat a mediocre Sett or Gangplank anyday but the second his primary counterpicks have any small idea how to stifle or cripple cho, unwinnable. You lose the only scaling you could possibly achieve, they know to build slow resistance, they know your q range. Best example: Cho vs Kayle. Cho manages to bush check Kayle and he can mostly run her down and potentially kill. Kayle is face to face with Cho? She kills him over time getting stronger as time passes.

@thelitmango6333

Ай бұрын

Played since season 3 and the bot lane thing has always been that way, also top lane has felt the same since the old days, difference is plates and the buff to tower gold and bounties. You can play macro a lot easier now cause you're rewarded way more. Going 0/5 in top lane was way worse back then, also people threw back then but it wasn't as bad cause no bounties. But now a days you're actually encouraged to play better then the enemy cause if you die its more detrimental if you're the carry. Also don't forget in mid lane LeBlanc was one of the most popular along with kassadin cause LeBlanc had a 2 second silence with no counterplay and kassadin also had a silence. Old league balancing was ass everyone here is lookin through rose tinted glasses. Also can't forget ahri buying dethfire grasp and her E having a 20 percent magic resist debuff. So she'd death fire grasp you after charming you and one shot you. Idk why a velkoz main would be happy about old league mid lane, all the old mid laners that were popular completely bodied velkoz. I think azzap just has nostalgia glasses on and isn't seeing it for what it actually was, which was a less skillfull version of league that was way more unbalanced then current league is. Don't also forget season 5 Warwick with red smile, where all he had to do was smite you and point and click ult you then you died instantly. Also don't forget wrigglers latern yi and udyr, where they could feed 0/5 and go into their jungle to farm all game and be stronger then your 10/0 Vayne or you're 8/2 renekton with perfect cs. How you're talking about jg is why udyr and yi and xin were some of the more popular jugglers cause they could clearly quickly and healthy, same with Warwick. All they've done is allowed other jgs that have lack luster sustain be able to sustain in the jg, something people wanted in old league because you could only play specific jgs due to their clear speed and how healthy they'd be.

It's a flawed concept in game theory called "The Balance in the Imbalance." It doesn't take into account the fun or quality of the game. The idea is that by constantly changing things, the game will always feel fresh and take longer to become boring. That's why they're constantly shifting everything. They don't care if certain metas (x, y, z) are overpowered; they just want you to keep studying and wasting your time on the game indefinitely.

They inverted the power of jungle and mid champions in a way that made jungle even mire broken. And yet you try to "quickplay" and see that nobody plays the role. They can't figure out how to make the role more fun so they keep it giga strong.

@munteanucatalin9833

Ай бұрын

Jungle is not STRONG compared to other roles. It is GOOD in pro play (but behind those busted ADC's). Despite this, Jungle feels and plays bad in ranked games. This is the only role i can constantly play at diamond level and even at that level, most games seem like a complete coin flip from the jungle perspective.

@dingleberrychipchapichuta

Ай бұрын

​@@munteanucatalin9833 Jungle has been the best role in soloQ by far for seasons and still is, hate to break it to you but you might just be bad at jungle if you feel like jungle is coin flip

@westonprice6272

Ай бұрын

@@munteanucatalin9833 brother, top 10 every server has like 7 junglers end of season.

@UnluckyHelloing

Ай бұрын

Jungle is the hardest role, if the enemy jungle is just a little better than you 99% of the time your game will be miserable

@UnluckyHelloing

Ай бұрын

​@@dingleberrychipchapichutaonly adcs and top laner think jungle is coinflip

I've been actually constantly funneling jungle into drake/voids or even help him path into enemy jg and all that on autopilot. didn't even realized until i saw this video

back in my day!

@partel933

Ай бұрын

Ur the youngest league player.

@XX-yh4fq

20 күн бұрын

@@partel933 in league beta trist mid (and corki/adc) was very common, but it wasnt because she would perma push :/

i aint seen a single short that has missed with the music. Verdis Quo always has been my fav from Discovery (Aerodynamic is a hella close second)

God you’re so right . if a mid gap is too heavy just gets ruined mid gets to go to both sides of the map and when yours is outclassed it’s super hard to play the game even getting a mid that’s even in lane helps so much

@fernando4959

Ай бұрын

is that not support role or am I trippin?

In short, if you still having a hard time climbing. You need the chair + rope strat.

Its bcs nowadays orianna with aery scorch and lost chapter pokes you for 25% of your hp. Without sustain it would be useless to play a melee champ mid

@Narum18

Ай бұрын

Thats the point of mid lane

@shanzelo

Ай бұрын

get better? that lane is easy, she s not in an ok spot rn

@Elysiean

Ай бұрын

@@shanzelo man up

@MakZkovich

Ай бұрын

​@@shanzelosomeone never played vs a human ori ig

@joaobrito2653

Ай бұрын

Wasn’t aware that orjanna stars the the game with lost chapter! Great reasoning for sure

The craziest thing is, most people at that "golden era" said it was the worst era. This is the moment I realized that League players just wanna say what they want to shit on the current position of the game. I started not even wanting to hear their opinion of "golden days". Bro just play or not play 😂

@Kuuga12-gc1gp

Ай бұрын

on me bro back in the day like every mage shit on velkoz

@sycariummoonshine7134

12 күн бұрын

As a Leb main my golden era was when Leblanc had Silence in her Q, making her have 6 seconds silence uptime with qrq. But you never played that, because her qrwer killed them anyway. XD (now leblanc has been D-B tier for past all seasons)

But something I want to say is people are MUCH better now you could have irons today on the level of golds then and the masters level players are near that of grand master players oby there is power creep and the game is easier but the player base has improved and the avarage skill of the players is much hugher

The good old day when an assassin actually had the damage to solokill when enemy mage missplayed, and solokills were actually punishing whereas today you lose 3-4 minions after being dead for 4 seconds, tp back and the solokill barely even matters. Nowadays you just have to accept you lose lane and wait for lucky skirmishes or for your jungler and support to play around mid which very rarely happens and basically puts most of the agency of midlane into support and jungle's hands. The change to make mid minion waves crash at the same time as sidelanes also made the lane extremely boring because you are forced into taking tp every game on assassins and god forbid you roam bot once without getting a triple kill, you will be behind in exp for the rest of the game.

@Ceracio

Ай бұрын

Riot seem to really struggle at balancing assassins. They went from "good at punishing mistakes" to "can one-shot basically anything at level 6 even if opponent never makes a mistake" to what they are now. I remember really enjoying playing Zed mid back in S4-S5 when your R placed the shadow behind the target because you had reliable burst but couldn't just monkey-dive everyone because you didn't have a "get out of jail free" button. I also remember HATING Qiyana for a while after her release because she could 100-0 any midlaner with an undodgeable combo (that also stunned you for the duration) at level 6 with Serrated Dirk and nothing else. Literally if you ever got into Flash-E range you WERE dead and couldn't do anything about it.

This however is the same time period where Fizz and Ekko went Sunfire into Iceborn and were the best tanks in the game.Put a jgler with devourer into the team and my ptsd is back ^^

Imo, mid has always been about supporting the jungle. It just wasn't popular back then. Faker's warding strategy and synergy with Bengi in S3 was an early version of what he have now. There's also teams and players like Moscow 5 and froggen that emphasized the relationship between mid and jungle. Our fundamental understanding of the game has increased and map movement is more important. I do agree that runes and items have pushed us more into this direction but I doubt that any change will reverse it. The fact that you're in the middle of the map just naturally gives you an incentive to help out the jungler. This isn't inherently a bad thing. I personally think the problem is that midlane is too safe now. It's too short, theres a ton of sustain in the game, and you don't need to win your lane. Getting a kill 1v1 is difficult since the lane is short and there's TP. The lane is also really wide, so junglers are discouraged from helping mid out. So you're forced to ignore winning mid lane and instead focus on helping the closest ally which is often the jungler.

I was saying the same thing in a discord call last week. Mages being pushed out of the mid lane is saddening. The old norm was also way more interesting to watch on the esport side.

@netnooker

Ай бұрын

"Mages being pushed out of midlane" - FALSE❌️ "Mages I like not being meta currently" - TRUE✅️

@DRida64

Ай бұрын

@netnooker oh, I myself don't play summoners rift. What I know from friends and watching streamers is that assassins and hwei are most of what is in mid. If you aren't counter picking, most mages tend to falter.

@ZphyraRyuu

Ай бұрын

I like it tho, swaps up the meta. Maybe we’ll start seeing adcs mid and mages/sup bot like in forever ago.

@ambiguousspotlightofinsani6764

Ай бұрын

@@DRida64 that's just not true, there is one meta assassin (Akali) and everyone else is a mage. Fizz is counterpick only, other options are pretty useless unless they get lucky and fetch kills from bot

@Arxhangxl

Ай бұрын

⁠@@netnookerNot really. I don’t care for Ziggs but to say he’s gonna function midlane in high elo is delusional. No mobility to roam or rotate, spells too slow they’re easily dodged by all the dashes, no cc to peel himself from jungle bruisers like Udyr or Bel’Veth or top lane/support roams. He’s much better off farming first strike procs on braindead botlaners and trying to poke them out of lane for his W and passive on platings.

I remember all these exact complaints back in season 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7…

@ddomni8199

Ай бұрын

neverending story. league was better yada yada yada

@marcusjohnson8649

Ай бұрын

But back then the game was new and Riot’s identity was still small, they didnt even know what they wanted league to be. Now though it’s seeming like the outlying issues of back then are what theyre promoting as the norm now. They removed problems of old, and in many cases just put them back in recently. That’s why it feels bad. My biggest gripe is the entire community SCREAMING not to do the mythic item bs. And they put us through two years of the most boring baby cage builds on earth before just removing it. It’s hypocritical shit like that that makes league boomers mad

@SiMeGamer

Ай бұрын

​@@marcusjohnson8649Or maybe, just maybe, the idea of mythics is cool and you have to try it before you ignore it. Innovation happens when you say yes to things that might not work, giving them a chance, and trying to make them work. Sometimes you succeed and sometimes you fail. They weren't able to do it and gave it enough time and the best thing is, they learned why it dodnt work and the hard limitations that the system imposed on them. I believe the last big Mythic change was in the middle of 2023 when they changed the ADC items and once that didn't work, they had to wait to start of season (effectively keeping the Mythic system alive for an extra 6 months). If you don't take a risk on an idea that might not work, you will never innovate. People cry about old Akali fresh out of her rework, not understanding that the point is to see the limits of a kit. In hindsight it's easy to see why her shroud is broken considering everything else, which is probably what Riot thought too, but you don't know for certain because you need the champion on Live servers to properly test it. It was giga broken and they removed it very quickly. No harm no foul. If Riot would've never pushed boundaries, we would've never gotten Sylas or Viego or Briar or Renata Glasc or many other champs, items and mechanics. I played since season 2. I love League now more than ever. I personally think the game is in a great state. It's still very individual when it comes to carrying. This absurd take on sustain in lane is so stupid. You can definitely get Akali out of lane. And if all she gets is CS then she is technically behind because assassins are balanced around getting kills. They are supposed to be the class the gets the most first bloods and it is still the case. But a great mage doesn't give it to them. Is League perfect? Far from it. But it's in a perfectly fine state. All I hear is people trying to make it not change or innovate or improve and just bring "the old times" back when people didn't know how to fking play. The skill level of players has increased on average so much that, bringing back those old game states is absurd. You can't do a proper comparison without taking it into account. Heck, watch Pro from that time. A lot of stuff there isnt vwry impressive by today's standards. I'm not trying to be antagonistic here and lick Riot's boots. I just find most arguments to be so shallow in regards to game design and balance.

@wafflinxes5224

Ай бұрын

The small indie company just can't fix the game, so sad :(

@fernando4959

Ай бұрын

so it gets worse every season? sick

veridis quo mentioned

I remember back when people would pick malz to counter pick me when I main’d fizz. Half the time they would suck at wave management and it’s just a free lane as soon as I get protobelt. Then I get nerf fizz in all chat after they feed my snowball.

Oh, that is true. I play mainly different mages mid (Vel'koz, Ahri, Swain, Lux, Hwei, Brand, but also something like Galio) and I feel as a support. Even if I get ahead in lane I somehow end most of my matches with stats like 6/5/14 and mostly follow my teammates to help them. The exception is Swain, because when you are fed enough you become a 1v5 monster with your R 😅

@Gabriel_custodio195

Ай бұрын

And then there's me playing Morgana mid due to this very issue.

@munteanucatalin9833

Ай бұрын

@@Gabriel_custodio195 Morgana mid was (and still is) one of the safest option for MID. She wasn't viable on mid only in 3 seasons (five, six and nine)

@darkdemon9013

Ай бұрын

@@munteanucatalin9833 Pretty sure Morg has been a weak pick in any role (aside from the odd couple of patches where she's been playable in jungle) for quite a while. You're not going to be doing anything with Morg mid that you wouldnt be able to do with a different champ.

@UnluckyHelloing

Ай бұрын

​@@munteanucatalin9833 and she have literally no threat after missing a skillshot that can be easily dodged

i remember this a lot when i played mid back in like season 6 & 7, the malz rework was the beginning of the end

He says this but back in the day we had mfs stacking doran's blade and ring, like every single mage and their mother used to get infinite mana and over 200+ bonus health by stacking dorans ring Not to mention compared to the past seasons, mana today is an insanely easy resource to come by, if you know the bare basics of managing your mana, you'll never run out of mana. So with that much mana in the game, without the sustain, some matchups would be outright impossible to play.

My fav mid lane met was Ori/Lulu/Nidalee/LB - Truly FANTASTIC

Use to main akali mid pre-rework. At that time everyone wanted to play mid lane. Slowly phased out to jungle/supp/adc. It’s not as fun as it use to be.

Some of truest words I have heard. I went from focusing my lane and roaming, to peram playing for jg or I lose the game. It got so boring that I switched to ADC, midlane just ain't got that prestige that it had back then.

This is exact set up I take with akali mid, shield, Fleet, second wind, and I play for sustain in lane, farm and jgl objectives.

Hey which is the song in the background? Love it

this guy's shorts music never disapoints me. Love it

@BiZii1024

Ай бұрын

I like it as well. Do you know name of that tune?

@ImJustZer0

Ай бұрын

@@BiZii1024 Daft Punk - Veridis Quo

My bro is forgetting about my scaling HP/5s runes on Ornn top and fizz mid. Abusing these things is how I reached rank 5 consistently on NA & EU when it came out.

the reality is that in s3 we had the possibility to play even more defensively with masteries and runes but people were even more stupid than today and were just using the same masteries every times and a lot of people were using basic runes because you had to spend a lot to get multiple rune page and runes

I remember climbing like a madman with old AP Sion mid... Times were good :')

This is so true. I havent played LoL in about 5-7 years and i felt this. I was Annie into Velgar... I was getting farmed. Then saw our top garen was 7-0.... I left mid, just followed him around clicking E on him. We won

I know i might not be the most knowledgeable player, but i jave been saying for a year that crowd control has bee getting out of hand. Just the fact thay so many chamls have point and click cc on short cooldowns, tanks have 4 damaging abilties, tenacity removal from runes, tenacity doesnt even feel like a real stat anymore.

kinda sad that I was a top player during that time but even then I do miss when top was actually skill and not a 0/4 poppy who can 1v4 and get 3 kills out of it and then leave unharmed

The genuinely biggest problem is the aspect of mana recovery. Mana used to gatekeep many champions to their specific roles and matchups. Not having manaflow or presence of mind would... really be intriguing to the game state. That warwick top crap wouldnt fly for instance; these mid lane mages dont have infinite mana after their first back so they cant be so flippant with spamming out abilities with infinite waveclear now lol.

I miss ap nidalee mid spears hitting like a truck

@lbpjaime423

Ай бұрын

I still play it and its viable, not as great, and takes much more skill since everything pushes the wave way faster or have way more dmg. Still fun tho

It's not "embarassing" it's just that game changes. Generally midlane role will always be best at early game placemaking in 3 lane mobas because it can freely roam to both sidelanes. In dota 2 midlaners are almost highest in farm priority, the only one who has higher farm priority then them is pos 1 which is the equivalent od Lol AD carry(very weak early, has to afk farm majority of the game so they can become an absolute monster DPS late game). However majority of midlaners scale much worse then pos 3(which is most similar to lol toplaner). Why? Because majority of midlane picks are about getting even the slighest bit of advantage and start power ganking sidelanes. If you want to play chess with enemy laner, play toplane.

The old knee-kicking silence teleport talon was fun😂

Azzapp shorts editor has crazy music knowledge

oh no i am not losing the laning phase just because i want to play the character i want (nasus) against a hard countering matchup that would be a core mechanic in the game, (picking counter champions against your lane opponent and picking a mid laner obliviously) and still scaling into oblivion because why not must be one of my favorite thing( i was sarcastic btw counter matchups are a core gampley element in league of legends and picking a character that is not supposed to be played on a certain lane should be punishing but anyway if i can still go 9 0 as a nasus tank in the role of an adc and then win the game i wont complain)

Man, I loved the old predator jungle meta, when you wouldn't even see the junglers on the map until min 20. It was so nice back then; now I get enemy jungler ganking toplane like, dude; it's toplane, go fight the dragon or something man.

@XX-yh4fq

20 күн бұрын

you talking about the Feral Flare days? Infinite Power!!!!

Nobody else caught this, But I'm very happy he chose Daft Punk for the background music

True i miss old mid lane. Everyone playing literally on the edge on every champions. So many classic mid matches like u mentioned.

Ah this short reminded me what a fucking banger Daft Punk - Veridis Quo is

level 11 kassadin with lichbane/seraph's embrace is a sleep paralysis demon way back XD

It's genuinely maddening to get massive lane advantages with a mage and seeing the Akali/Fizz/Zed that's even or down just wait for my inevitable recall, just shove lane and get fed off of my bot, jg or top and then come back 500 gold ahead, leaving me with an unwinnable lane

@ignacioperez5479

Ай бұрын

Yeah, and that sucks for bot too. There is no worst feeling for an ADC to have the 0/8 assasin oneshoting You with your support because assasin

@ST-in7fo

Ай бұрын

​@@ignacioperez5479he's not gonna do it if you respect the roam timer, and if she doesn't get anything she also loses her recall opportunity and it's likely gonna be poked to death as mid returns in lane

@crazy75able

Ай бұрын

@@ST-in7fo "respecting" only works in higher elo, because you are basically losing a bit of advantage so that your mid gets a bit more advantage. The overall gold/exp diff will be positive for your team, but you have to play for yourself more the lower you are.

Yeah, it's kinda depressing. I don't wanna be a second support D:

Never saw something so accurate in my life that's crazy and that's exactly how i feel about the role

I disagree tbh, I think mid is despite not being the main carry role, atm able to play so many options. Be it mages, Assassins, tanks, ADCs, enchanters, (A very small hand of fighters) and if you feel a bit frisky even some roaming supports like Bard. I like playing mid a lot this season, because of all these options, but I agree, the lane healing runes are giga broken. New cho gath passive rune, is what I think broke the the threshhold of harass mattering a lot. Tristana can perma lifesteal, melees just run Dorans shield and mage, well they still have push pressure before six, but I think their spikes are much faster this season than before with Black fire enabling a lot of my favorite champs like AP kog and Anivia, to have double damage items, with malignance. Its really fun to me at the very least, because I play all types of different champs.

Nidalee mid used to be my favorite. I tried it recently and got flamed but still won my lane big time. So easy now that transform isnt locked behind lvl 6

"Support of the jungler" couldnt have said it better myself

That analysis with the daft punk song😢 Hits hard bro

Can we also talk about the increase of stuff like fighter champs mid lane or ADC mid lane just to out trade your oponent especially early?

I remember when AP was for wave clear, AD was for turrets. That was the golden time.

Actually this is my fav sound of daft and even the song's title fits to your speech, funny.

If you watch pro play, aside from certain meta like MSI 2023, it’s ALWAYS mid lane being the carry aside from ADC or toplane. It’s very occasional mid lane being the support, it’s everyone supporting the mid lane because the downside of having a losing mid is everyone else getting fisted by the opposing mid. Given your logic of sustain runes, we should be seeing more picks such as Fizz, Kassadin, or Zed, as they cannot be easily fisted anymore. That’s not true at all, sustain runes do not change the fact that they’re still highly volatile champion, and pros will never risk losing such an important role.

@permafrost5229

Ай бұрын

No one gives a shit about pro play my guy, solo q works differently it's almost like a different game

@ignacioperez5479

Ай бұрын

Yeah, and in soloQ, Best top gap is way bigger than in pro play, in solo Q, the team don't plays around ADC

@yasoumain3902

Ай бұрын

In solo queue the game is chaotic because people make a lot more mistakes and are not coordinated, which means skirmish heavy champions thrive. In pro-play there's less mistakes so junglers mostly full-clear which means a slower small advantage objective focused game. That means champions who can get cs leads and priority are good because you as a coordinated team can snowball that lead into bigger leads like objectives, plates, invades, etc.

@UnluckyHelloing

Ай бұрын

​@@yasoumain3902that's surprisingly true considering what your name suggests

@permafrost5229

Ай бұрын

@@UnluckyHelloing LOL

LS explained it before using the triangle of counters.. assassins are good against poke mages, poke/burst mages are good against controllers, controllers are good against assaasins.. now assassins are non existent in high level because riot hates them for some reason while poke/burst are also non existent, its always controllers in mid.. only time poke went good is when Xerath came back into meta.. for one patch then immediately gutted the next and immediately the pros dropped him.. like how talon became meta for one patch then gone the next..

Ok, first, mid lane is a lot of fun still. Second, being punished to the point of not being as strong as a damn canon minion isn't very awesome. 3rd, you still have to be skilled to play mid. I'd say mid is the most skill intensive role in the game. Idk if you're just being nostalgic or what, but that's a hot take man. Mid is way tougher than it used to be, that's for sure. Hell, do you remember guitar hero katarina? She required literally no skill. just qweqweqwerqweqweqweqwerwqwqwerqweqwwerq and everyone's dead.

I remember when midlane was the "I am the anime mc of my team" role

I have not heard this song in soooo long I have to find out the name

People just got better. If we suddenly reverted back to S3, there would be so many complaints of imbalance and champs just one shotting without counterplay.

The difference between a counter matchup in mid lane and a counter matchup in top lane is crazy. There's almost no way to create advantages through lane (unless your opponent is running it.) I understand that the perma-roam meta could be disruptive to other lanes, but making the waves crash at the same time in side lanes murders your tempo. I remember when champions like Yasuo could roam bot without teleport. The thought of trying that today is borderline bannable.

Mid lane became the junglers support bc they made junglers pretty much dictate the game so if ur jungler fails and doesnt get help u just lose a lot of the time like the game bc so much harder than losing any of the lanes

Caps pyke mid was so troll tho, he had no farm, did'nt roam at all, and went with predator lmao

basically what's happening to toplane right now, it's just ranged and other champions that can just not play laning phase like Gragas and Skarner, it's all about avoiding interaction instead of close 1v1s and fighting to snowball the game and try to carry

Its almost as if mid lane roam timers get nerfed 2x and the death of AD assassin items and runes forces it into an afk scale lane vs afk scale mages and the existence of teleport didnt make you lose gold for taking ignite and getting a close early solo kill

God I miss old Leblanc when you could fake a gank and when syndra actually required skill to have a seven ball combo that did so much damage. Now it’s all about what mage can do the most Apple dmg in a team fight.

@Chromaspell

18 күн бұрын

i mained old syndra and that was not skillfull. there was legit 0 way to dodge her stun lmao and keeping an extra ball in a bush wasnt difficult.

Me when I can't sit at my T2 throwing skillshots across half the map chunking you out for no manacosts and tp and insta winning lane into buying the best items in the game with a lane bully thats the hardest scaling class in thr game anymore combo

Ok but in what fucking world does a fizz sitting under turret entire game collecting cs passively ever outscale an orianna lol.

Vladimir + absorb life + second wind + revitalize, you can try to hit me but ur mana will disappear way faster than my health bar 😂

Gotta love how azzapp says "W" instead of wind, its vind 😂

old tristana ap mid was so so so fun

That was the yead when famatic or g2 played puke in EVERY ROLE.

Skill in the midlane died when everything became viable. We used to have 10 champs maximum that could go mid and they all went full damage runes and másteres. Now you can run nautilus mid.

Frack mentioned he’s going to turn mid lane assassins into a more volatile lane and take hp regen out of their power creep and add lethality pre16

Actually top lane is the support of the jungler if you destroy the tower top agains tthe toplaners will (jungle using rift) then the top laner doesnt get angry (even after spam pinging) they just calm down, are happy they dont have to be stuck top lane And just start messing up mid and bot lane for the enemy while i just farm as jgler

Nostalgia is nice huh

Love it when I get 1500 hp regen with my second wind rune but then I get 300-400 damage with a damage rune? 🤔

Now we have fun midlanders like Tristana,corki and lucian. They are the only 3 viable midlaners

As a toplaner, thank god these exist or ranged top would be the most oppressive thing ever.

@mist8733

Ай бұрын

GRRRR WE HATE RANGIES!!!! REDDIT NATION RISE!!!! WE HATE RANGIES!!!!

As a Karma mid player, can confirm, you're better off supporting others than tryna actually carry yourself, Karma is particular though, she still can put up some pretty good fight on her own

Its called evolution, problem is sometimes it doesn't end well

Mid lane used to be “pick a broken champ and go sweat your balls off against another broken champ por 15mins and carry the game, then hurl abuse to the opposite team”, and it essentially beautiful

If music sounds a lot like Daft Punk it's just because it is

It’s crazy how strong rune stones are

I don't see why it shouldn't be like now. As midlaner I don't want to play second support, or depend on shitty botlane coin flip. I want to win my lane and 90% of the time win game. I want 12.10 patch changes removed.

I have been disliking the way many things in lol have spiralled into, on of my “bookmarks” is when I started to notice mids always buying corrupt potion+ potion rune (tonic?) + biscuits. You could just tank everything for 12 min and act like it was nothing

Also in those days, assassins took skill to play at all points. Nowadays a fed assassin will completely 1v9 with very low effort. The game got dramatically more snowball due to all the extra snowball mechanics like turret plates, dragon souls, and the ridiculously powerful new items.

Sup and jungle are overpowered for years? Who wouldve guessed

So true, the thing i hate the most is like there are 5 midlaners you can play that actually deal dmg and scale good while the rest are literally dogshit

I feel you as a former Zed OTP

God I miss the days of having to be good at Orbweaving to be useful on Talon in lane.

Mid used to be the main carry in the early days especially in high elo and competitive. Now they are relegated to being the setup for their team its awful reall and it's what ultimately killed pro play for me personally.

@UnluckyHelloing

Ай бұрын

Faker nerf ikr

Miss the QIYANA META

I miss the golden age of playing Caitlyn or lee sin mid, stacking D Blades all day