TERRA NOVA GANG RISE UP JOIN THE DISCORD discord.gg/vvMBpZa6Xh but also check out Lindsey's video on how to adapt Lord of the Rings RIGHT nebula.tv/videos/lindsayellis-how-they-adapted-lord-of-the-rings?ref=hellofutureme

@pyeitme508

Ай бұрын

WOW!

@luigiboi4244

Ай бұрын

I joined the discord the second I saw the link.

@KaiHung-wv3ul

Ай бұрын

I usually don't really enjoy watching negative reviews, and I usually don't enjoy watching long reviews. But this is an exception. Edit: House of the Dragon review next, maybe?

@secretlyadragon4723

Ай бұрын

Nope. Not just you. I really enjoyed Terra Nova. *shouts into the void,* *'season 2, where are you?'*

@EastCoastArchMage

Ай бұрын

Thanks Tim, for striving to build a bigger table!

"The sea is always right" was Amazon's painfully transparent attempt at trying to have their own "Winter is Coming."

@aperson9847

Ай бұрын

This is honestly such a good way to boil down why Rings of Power failed so spectacularly. "Winter is coming" makes you feel something, it's ominous. "The sea is always right" just makes you go.....what? What does that mean? There's no emotion attached to it other than vague confusion.

@ETHER3AL2205

Ай бұрын

@@aperson9847I love how elendil says the sea is always right, but his wife drowned, like the writers didn’t put two seconds of thought into this.

@TheRibottoStudios

Ай бұрын

Compare this to "one does not simply walk into Mordor." Yes it's been memed to hell, but there WAS REASON for the line to be said. Here? It just doesn't make sense.

@michellewang3270

Ай бұрын

I don't know why, this line reminded of when Dom Toretto said: The street always wins 🤣🤣

@behurastudio

Ай бұрын

“What is Dead May Never Die” too cuz the Ironborn are more of the seafaring boat folk of Planetos

Rings of Power? Disappointment. Tim's video? Best shit I've ever seen. -B

@mathwiz1007

Ай бұрын

I’ll always appreciate the recurring bond between two of my favorite KZread channels

@joryjones6808

Ай бұрын

Did we all just mishear Tim calling Doctor Who poorly written.

@karlwilker579

Ай бұрын

@@mathwiz1007 My experience with KZread is basically realizing that most of my favorite KZreadrs know each other.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

​@@joryjones6808i adore Doctor Who with all my heart, but it is no stranger to poor writing. It doesnt mean i wont love it, but it is there. It also has some of the best writing ive ever had the pleasure of experiencing. ~ Tim

@pinkbuninja6536

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe agreed on all accounts

In reality, nomads in communities would help each other, not abandon each others just because. That's the one reason why they travel in groups, to support each others.

@lazndlon7687

Ай бұрын

Well there is Genghis khans childhood where he and his family was abandoned when his father died and were left behind

@lazndlon7687

Ай бұрын

I’m agreeing that the actions in the show were stupid given the context but abandoning others when their a burden does happen

@abadyr_

Ай бұрын

@@lazndlon7687 That was a conscious, political move. Because his father was the former chieftain of the tribe, and the new one wanted his potential opposition gone.

@TAP7a

Ай бұрын

This myth is annoying and pernicious. Humans are naturally cooperative. Our capacity to cooperate in exquisite detail across a huge gamut of tasks, not just hunting or self-defence, is one of our defining features and alongside tool use is a key driving force to why it’s us living in cities cleared of all threats rather than wolves or bonobos or octopodes. People claiming otherwise are not only incorrect, but usually trying to make a political cudgel with which to advocate for anti-social policies

@lazndlon7687

Ай бұрын

@@TAP7a If humans are naturally cooperative then why are their so many conflicts. When life is easy everyone works together but if resources become scarce or someone’s power is threatened then humans will naturally look out for themselves and their families

One thing I remember from the Rings of Power is the lack of respect for Tolkien and his works. "This isn't your grandfather's Tolkien" and "We're updating it for a modern audience" just made me think, "If you're doing all this hard 'work' changing the story, why are you even doing an adaption in the first place? Why not make your own fantasy show?" then it hit me, "then they won't have gotten anywhere near the budget or attention they did."

@jonnylake3rd

13 күн бұрын

THIS!!!

"Why are there no *emotions* in this show, I specifically requested it?" - Jeff Bezos

@nont18411

Ай бұрын

Don’t disrespect Captain Holt like that

@iskandarthegreat0487

Ай бұрын

Hahaha 🤣 YESS!

@Tammicci

Ай бұрын

Yass queen!

@gunkulator1

Ай бұрын

The only emotion they have in abundance is anger and it's just juvenile anger at that.

@mori1bund

Ай бұрын

@@nont18411 I always call him Lex Luthor's evil twin. ^^

Sanderson's face saying "an 8 out of ten??" will never not be funny to me

@theleftfootedsultan

Ай бұрын

Man carrying the comments section

@zachryder3150

Ай бұрын

Mr Memelord over here thinking he knows anything about BookTube. /s

@robertwild9447

Ай бұрын

You're the absolute legend who never misses! The man who carried the thing! 😱

@_HJHK

Ай бұрын

I know this guy!

@jackwriter1908

Ай бұрын

Too true, everytime I hear the outrage in his voice when asking _"8 out of 10?!"_ I can't stop laughing 😂

LOL “Galadriel was shipwrecked” Come on. That entire chain of ridiculously plotted chance occurrences and terrible decision making was kicked off by her jumping into the middle of the ocean, because reasons.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Yes 😅 I later clarify the random chain of events in that, but yes, she was not shipwrecked - she found herseld on a shipwreck. ~ Tim

I wanted the reveal to be that Sauron was fractured- that the Stranger was The Power, Halbrand was The Regret, and (maybe) the sword was The Intent, and that by the end of season 1 he pulls himself together and then goes on to be Annatar with season 2 seeing the progress of the rings.

@taneelbrightblade6622

Ай бұрын

I wondered if it would be something like this as well. Though I also thought Halbrand would have been a good nazgûl

@mercurius0

Ай бұрын

Oh that would have been really cool, and nicely tied together all the random threads

@GonzoTehGreat

9 күн бұрын

They don't have the rights to Annatar...

Cinema Therapy did a great video on how Aragorn represents healthy masculinity. He's equally capable of being strong and being warm and considerate. In the scene where Boromir dies (spoilers) he goes straight from decapitating an orc to tenderly comforting his dying friend. As a King, he's brave enough to lead the charge into battle and humble enough to bow to the hobbits. Dude sings a sonnet at his own wedding to an elf princess. He's a great example to young boys that "being a man" can mean a lot of different things, and crucially that it doesn't mean putting others down.

@TheRibottoStudios

Ай бұрын

Even Legolas learns what humanity and "being a man" is. He's an elf; they're just kinda naturally better than humans in most ways. But he becomes friends with a dwarf, with Hobbits, with men. And he's still badass just like Aragorn. They aren't emasculated by showing their humanity. In fact by showing humanity they're stronger for it.

@Pandaemoni

Ай бұрын

Aragorn doesn't actually bow to the hobbits (and definitely there is no mass wave of bowing before them), that's more a movie thing. He does get down a knee in the camp at the Field of Cormallen after sitting them (Frodo and Sam) on his throne, but that was likely more about getting to their eye level given how it's presented. He also praised them (shouting, "Praise them with great praise!") for all they-again, Frodo and Sam-had done, but the line, "My friends, you bow to no one" is a Jacksonian addition. It may be a bit of a modernism given that we generally don't think royalty in entitled to obeisance in the way that medieval people did and Tolkien had many pre-modern sensibilities arising from his love of medieval stories.

@larrytedmcbride

Ай бұрын

Boom! Like 101 baby. Great equation.

@TheRibottoStudios

Ай бұрын

​@Pandaemoni well if that's a movie change it's one that I can't find any fault in.

@user-dv4hv7zx9k

Ай бұрын

A HFMxCinema Therapy collab NEEDS to happen!!

My husband walked in and asked me what I was watching. I replied, “A critique on the Rings of Power, you know, that show we watched a while ago.” He paused and said, “I can’t recall that show at all.” For context, he’s someone who didn’t grow up watching LoTR but enjoyed the movies as an adult (even the Hobbit ones). But his response sums it up: the Rings of Power is pretty forgettable.

@paulderosa3065

Ай бұрын

The show is merely ok at best and downright stupid at the worst. My biggest problem is that the show isn’t memorable. Even the Hobbit movies had plenty of memorable moments for me, and the Lord of the Rings movies were chock full of wonderful, memorable, amazing moments. This show…barely anything stands out. I remember in a few reviews seeing the scene where Galadriel shouts “ There is a tempest in me!” and I legitimately had no memory of seeing that in the show.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

There was originally a part of the script where I got my friend, who does not know LotR, to try and recount the plot for RoP. It was rhe funniest stuff because she remembered like none of it but sadly did not fit anywhere. ~ Tim

@claireleb

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe would love to have seen that! Alternatively, it would be a great short 😆

@TiVeigaKung

Ай бұрын

yeah, that pretty much sums it up. And for the amount of money they spent not being able to create a single memorable moment is a feat on itself.

@ZttackFrmBhind

Ай бұрын

I watched ROP with a couple of friends who "liked it". I say "liked it" because I have asked them to recount or even mention one scene that they were happy was there or they really enjoyed. They could only say that they "liked to be back in the world again."

I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would attempt a Second Age story without access to the extended material. How do you tell Galadrial's story without access to her _literal story?_ It was doomed from the start.

@Casualete

6 күн бұрын

They could have made the show about a deep dive into soooooo many other things, but they pick something they can barely talk about? Make it make sense!

@drtaverner

5 күн бұрын

@@Casualete Right. So many stories either in or suggested by the LOTR text rather than cover areas people know and doing it wrong.

In the books, the letter C is always pronounced like a K instead of an S. In Rings Of Power, it's pronounced however it feels like because the C is always right.

@cailin5301

17 күн бұрын

WOW 😂😂😂

@JainaSoloB312

14 күн бұрын

This is too good🤣

"Rings of Power is simultaneously structured around the Halbrand reveal, but not written to give it meaning." That is a great summary!

@deceiver444

Ай бұрын

Halbrand

@And-ur6ol

Ай бұрын

@@deceiver444 corrected

@sebastianevangelista4921

Ай бұрын

Not to be that guy but I believe you mean "summary" or "summarization".

@jimihendrix23456

Ай бұрын

I remember thinking the show was pretty decent overall. Then the Sauron reveal happened, and I realized I'd completely forgotten that Halbrand was supposed to be important. Could not remember a single thing he'd said or done before teaching the "master smith" about alloys, and I think I'd muddied his and Isildur's characters together in my head. I didn't bother a rewatch to try parsing them out.

@Sornemus

27 күн бұрын

Ehm, no? How is ROP structured around "Hallbrand reveal"? The reveal is literally last 30 minutes of episode. It dit not drive the plot at all - quite opposite, the plot specifically sent that dude to find some scroll - to facilitate this reveal. Nothing prior to that was contributing to the actual "reveal" ever, lmao.

1:35:30 Perhaps the saddest part about the Hobbit trilogy is that, in 1960, Tolkien himself tried to rewrite The Hobbit to be closer to The Lord of the Rings, and he ultimately scrapped the rewrite because it was no longer The Hobbit, so the movies were ultimately trying to do something Tolkien had tried and ultimately considered a bad idea.

@TheRibottoStudios

Ай бұрын

For as flawed as they are, they're still at least entertaining. You don't entirely question their existence like with Rings of Power.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

I had no idea about this! Would have been a fascinating tidbit to include. ~ Tim

@fisch37

Ай бұрын

​@@HelloFutureMeCoincidentally Nerd of the Rings _just_ released a video about it! Haven't seen it yet, but it's gotta be worth something coming from him

@lasernatoo0

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMethe full manuscript of the scrapped ~2.1 chapters can be found in The History of the Hobbit edited by John Rateliff

@randomrey6568

Ай бұрын

damn

Okay, am I going crazy? I was watching this video, got up to take a break, came back not five minutes later and the run time has changed and the bit I was on has disappeared? I swear this video was four hours long and I had one hour left before my loo break??

@AdventurerJessica

Ай бұрын

I just came back to finish watching it too. And same thing. It went from being 4 hours to 2 hours and 33 minutes.

@TheShanicpower

Ай бұрын

@@MooBler350I think he might be re-editing it since there was a youtuber who slipped in that didn’t really belong with the others. He may not have wanted to bring that one unwarranted bad publicity. The message it conveyed was still very important, so I hope it’s back again soon.

@Rosa-kd2cl

Ай бұрын

@@TheShanicpoweragreed. It was literally the crux of this video to call out the misrepresentation of Rings of Power as woke and now it’s gone.

@beatthegreat7020

Ай бұрын

​@@TheShanicpower I had noticed that one of the people mentioned didn't seem to be intended as a criticism, but that it came across as one nonetheless.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Hey everyone - I ended up removing the "wokebros" section of the video because: [1] while my central message around men's mental health and masculinity is vital, and I will continue to talk about men's issues and how men get caught up in this stuff, I want my channel to be a positive place, and I don't feel I lived up to that in the best way I could in that section, and [2] frankly, I have not been dealing with this video mentally very well from the day it dropped. Hope you all understand ~ Tim

The "do not harass those creators i mentioned" disclamer really needed to be in the beginning. I am sure lots of people went right away.

@metalsludge8205

Ай бұрын

it's a pointless thing to say anyway, don't know why youtubers bother (other than for their own protection against accusations of "inciting harassment", i suppose). the harassment comes from the most deranged people that are going to harass them regardless, they aren't the type to value basic respect or to heed warnings

@andresacosta4832

Ай бұрын

Then they immediately sent their horde of fanboys to harass him...

@andresacosta4832

Ай бұрын

@@ian-flanagan I'm pretty sure

@TheRedHaze3

28 күн бұрын

@@andresacosta4832 How do you know it wasn't just fans seeing this video and getting angry at the blatant misrepresentation of content creators they like?

just a quick quibble in regards to the the Murder Hobbits section: leaving people behind is *not* something that real nomadic societies would do and is not realistic. Particularly in regards to injuries that can be healed. An adult human represents an incredible amount of resources that that society has invested in them. abandoning an entire family group because of a minor injury would be unthinkable to any semi-successful human society throughout history. one of the earliest signs of complex social groups is mended bones. Additionally, there is just a whole mess of issues with the realism of the societies that the showrunners have invented for this show, the hobbits worst of all

@MajorSmurf

Ай бұрын

Yep also it would in all likelihood led to revolts or people outright leaving that tribe and forming their own. Like imagine your best friend is abandoned because of an curable injury. Do the writers think nomadic people who would value loyalty and have a strong bond with each other would be accepting of such a decision? The tradition would never even start in the first place because the first time someone attempted it, they'd have many others fighting for their friend and his/her family or giving them the finger and leaving with their friends. Than there's another thing nomadic people need a bunch of families as having multiple bloodlines is important else we get into the inbreeding stage and at that point the whole tribe is screwed. Very unlikely for them to find another hobbit family to join up when they're constantly migrating and suspicious of outsiders anyway. Nomad life was rough and sticking together through thick and thin is what kept them alive. You start betraying or throwing away life's in that style of life and no-one will trust you. Someone would stab the leader at that point for murder/revenge.

@USSAnimeNCC-

Ай бұрын

I can say the same with hunter gather society they didn't have the strict view of gender that people like to think or what the 1950s have it sometimes women where found to be hunter or men doing what people think was a women job also these society whete sometimes step up differently form another some would view private property as a joke or sometimes women where the leaders i don't thunk it was the norm but it did happens in reality as oppose to it never and it show how women are as capable as men sure men are stronger but that isn't everything and itt doesn't give that much of an advantage and women are able to fight too

@NoNo-or2wj

Ай бұрын

100% and thank you for saying it. Historically humans survive though PRO-social behaviors. These harfoots wouldn't last a couple generations like this.

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl

Ай бұрын

​@@USSAnimeNCC-hunter gathers did have gender division of labor with most of the time men being hunters and women gathers, Leadership was mostly about age and no they wouldn't find the concept of private property funny as they didn't have surplus production to produce property, so they wouldn't know why that concept even is Of course we are using your Marxist detention here in which "personal property" isn't considered private property

@AlanXEverfrost

Ай бұрын

@@MajorSmurf Plus it would inspire fear that it could happen to you. I mean, it's already a terrible thing for them to threaten to leave behind your friend or parent, but if it is something they'd regularly do (especially for things that aren't their fault), then how sure can anybody be that they themselves would be safe in this group? If the moment it becomes even slightly inconvenient they'd ditch anybody they could, why even invest in this group? Yes, if there is no hope of escape for the herd a group of animals (of which humans are part of) will leave behind those that they cannot save. But they usually have tried. Newborn calfs are often kept in the center with the adults trying to shield them. Only when they have to run an the child get's bitten and dragged down, THEN and only then do they decide to cut their losses. But they slow down for injured ones on their travels.

One thing that really bothered me with ROP is how unkindly the show treats non main characters. Background characters are all idiots, often selfish and weak-willed, just going along with whoever seems the most charismatic at the moment. This is especially noticeable in Numenor, and in the southlands. Take the southlands for example: all the background characters speak in low-class (American southern or northern British) accents, they wear dishevelled clothes, have dirt on their face, there are barely any women or children among them, while our main characters look pristine, speak in high class American or British accents, and are wearing colourful clothes. The background characters also never display an ounce of sympathy, gratitude, selflessness, or frankly any positive character trait you could think of. It paints this incredibly dim view of the every-man, when I don't think that really is something that flows from Tolkien's work.

@AW-uv3cb

Ай бұрын

In fact, the opposite (to continue with your last sentence): the hobbits with their love of simple life and hidden virtues like courage, loyalty and perseverance were Tolkien's love letter to the English every-man (by his own admission). He understood people's need for high stories of larger-than-life heroism, but he also understood that we need them precisely to help us find these qualities in our own humble selves.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

This is a really good way of putting it. I had not thought of it like that, but yes - that was a common theme, and partly why they felt so bland! ~ Tim

@JacobGrim

Ай бұрын

Honestly, it's probably a reflection of how they (at least subconsciously) see irl lower and middle classes

@lydiaalexian1435

Ай бұрын

Why in the world were the hobbits all so dirty???

How the Hell is Random Film Talk a woke bro?

@milktank8338

Ай бұрын

Simply put he isn't

@dukesilver3491

29 күн бұрын

I agree, but his response was...not a great look on him.

@supersuit5790

2 күн бұрын

@@dukesilver3491his response was well justified

@dukesilver3491

Күн бұрын

@supersuit5790 not saying he shouldn't respond but he fully defended all the chuds. Anyone who doesn't see any problem with the kind of nonsense Shad, drinker, Nerdrotic etc say completely loses any credibility in my eyes.

Please explain why the second half of the video disappeared ...?

@safekhaubi

Ай бұрын

Not just me, then! 😂

@Eemi_Seppala

Ай бұрын

I'd think it's because many who watch rather small youtuber mentioned there came in and said that he shouldn't be on such a hit list.

I remember when the news broke that Amazon didn’t even have the rights to adapt most of the actual works that dealt with the 2nd age. The question of 'why even?' rung so loud in my head.

@paulgibbon5991

Ай бұрын

I do hope we get even a partial adaptation of the Silmarillion someday. Doesn't have to go into the weeds with the creation myths or trying to tell the whole damn story in one go, but you can easily get amazing stories from just using the Beren & Luthien or the Children of Hurin arcs.

@olefredrikskjegstad5972

Ай бұрын

@@paulgibbon5991 I agree. I would be interested in seeing that. I love the genuinely mythical character that the creation stories and epic legends of the Silmarillion has.

@anni.68

Ай бұрын

Even if they had the rights for "The Downfall of Numenor" it would not change anything, because everything Tolkien ever wrote about the Second Age is not more than an outline. Every Second Age show - no matter who tries to make it - has to create tons of additions, otherwise we would never see any Second Age adaptation at all.

@radagast7200

Ай бұрын

When the Soviet Fellowship outshines your billion dollar monstrosity... you know you done f'ed up...

@genghisgalahad8465

Ай бұрын

Rung of Pow-wow at the Amazon studios....

The problem I have with Galadriel changing from "let's do an orc genocide" to "killings bad actually" is 1. We never see her actually go far. Everyone she kills she's completely justified. It's not like she ever has a helpless orc at the end of a sword and just mercilessly butchers it. You can say she gets close with Adar, but she doesn't do it so at the end of the day it was all just fiery speech from her. 2. We never see where or why the switch flips in her head. It just happens in the space of one episode. She completely 180s after millenia of thinking a certain way. The growth isn't shown or earned it just happens.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

I think actually seeing her commit to some violence would have been good - even if only in the first scene, instead of killimg the troll, we see hee kill a fleeing/surrendering orc (ie. Someone who deserves mercy). But being trapped in Numenor means we cant do much on that front. ~ Tim

@blitz8425

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe yeah exactly. Galadriel TELLS us constantly how much she wants to slaughter orcs, but that's never seen. The two times she properly commits to a fight is in one scenario to save her comrades, and the other to save a bunch of villagers. Nothing about it suggests any level of anger or wrath, she's just objectively doing the right thing in those moments. Obviously the show doesn't have access to a lot of expanded materials as you mentioned in your video, but a very important contextual element in the legendarium is that elves do not endorse or engage in the wholesale slaughter of any living things, orcs included. It could have been a very powerful moment for Galadriel to see her juxtaposed against the rest of Elven culture by killing a defenseless orc and seeing the shock and horror from other elves. That would have been "touching the darkness."

@benjaminjane93

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe I feel what we should've gotten was probably some scene where she cuts down some Orc only for it to writhe on the ground. Clearly incapacitated, but still have this life in it enough to say something like "I know you. The general of the north. The one who abandoned her husband... what was his name?" something enough taunting her to go from "Elegant Warrior who cuts down orcs effectively and unemotionally" to have her become enraged and instead of cutting down the orc she pummels him to the point even her allies are like "That's enough Galadriel!" Make it violent. Make it *UGLY* what she has become.

@danguillou713

Ай бұрын

I see no evidence that this character development was planned as her character arc, or if it was, the writers on the previous episodes weren’t told about it. And she doesn’t remember, beyond some sanctimonious lines to the annoying kid. I think it is more likely that the work-for-hire writer who crafted the Adar-Galadriel dialogue was just aware that Galadriel’s character had a problem. Unlike the showrunners.

@garygor1960

Ай бұрын

Canon is important. Tolkien laid out tens of thousands of years of history that underpin the writing and making of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. This disregard for established Canon is an intentional way of pissing on Tolkien's grave. Thank God for people like Nerdrotic, George the Giant Slayer, The Critical D,rinker and the like defending the professor's legacy.

The tragedy of Halbrand being Sauron is that he is the perfect setup to be a nazgul, perhaps even the witch-king. This man who becomes king over a southern kingdom with a chip on his shoulder who desires power, which would give a perfect reason for him to accept a ring of power. Then his proximity to the main characters would make his slow descent into becoming a ringwraith as he is slowly bent to sauron's will all the more tragic. It would give us as the audience a really interesting perspective as he envies Elendil and Isildur and feels that the fledgling kingdoms of gondor are favored more by the elves than his. Etc etc Could have been really interesting. Now the nazgul are probably just going to be dudes with hoods that show up randomly in season 2

I find it very weird, that you put The Little Platoon in there. The man isn't sexist at all. He is also not conservative... and a bit gay, a lot actually.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Little Platoon and I have talked, and are looking to talk more. I removed the section because while talking about men's issues, mental health, and masculinity are important, and I will do so in the future, I want my channel to be a positive place for people, and I didn't feel the last section lived up to that as best I could. ~ Tim

@morgenstern2603

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe I‘m glad you talked to Platoon. Don’t get me wrong. You made some valid points about some of the others. When it comes to that group, I just wish people would leave Platoon and Mauler out of it.

@pastlife960

Ай бұрын

@@morgenstern2603Why do they choose to associate with that community?

@morgenstern2603

Ай бұрын

@@pastlife960 I don’t know them personally, but I assume to promote their channels. It is hard to make your channel successful, if you don’t have others to promote it. They are all individuals, and I don’t believe in guilt by association.

@austinuhr8459

Ай бұрын

​@@HelloFutureMeI'm glad to hear that you two were able to talk; I hope you can discuss more with him and some of the others you mentioned, since I feel he was not the only one unfairly maligned in the video.

The beauty of Game of Thrones is that every character battles with good or evil, and even their "good" might not be good for someone else. The Stranger battling good and evil all season to finally say "I AM GOOD" is the most one-dimensional arc of all time.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Truly, how could the audience possibly have know he was good if he did not explicitly confirm he was good verbally? How would they know?! ~ Tim

@AndrewFrancisIlyrian

Ай бұрын

There is no beauty in Game of Thrones. Everyone is evil or if they are good they die.

@wasabiknight8125

28 күн бұрын

@@AndrewFrancisIlyrian Have you read the books or are we exclusively talking about the show?

@AndrewFrancisIlyrian

28 күн бұрын

@@wasabiknight8125 both

@AndrewFrancisIlyrian

28 күн бұрын

@@wasabiknight8125 I read the books up to Feast for Crows

I’ll be completely honest, I didn’t even know I was supposed to be curious as to who Sauron might be until I actually went online to search something about the actors and then found news about it, teasing the “mystery”

@atruegentlemortal8251

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I didn’t really realize I was supposed to be wondering about that either, until they revealed it dramatically...

@maximbilenko5179

Ай бұрын

Same…

@missAlice1990

Ай бұрын

Omg, finally, someone like me! I never wondered about Sauron's identity because it's not something Tolkien would do. Sure, there were some twists and surprises in his books but he was never playing the "mystery box" guessing game with the reader. The foe was never a "surprise villain", even with Annatar we knew he was Sauron. I'd never expect that game from Tolkien and never expected it here. But of course the writers aren't Tolkien, which is painfully glaringly obvious.

@sierra750

Ай бұрын

omg same! I realized it was a "guessing game" when I went on the subreddit. I just never was expecting that to be the key hook or plot point..? Like I thought it would be SEEING Sauron manipulate people, that's what I actually wanted. Majestic, charismatic guy (he's an angel ffs), pulling people's strings masterfully. Not knockoff Aragorn.

Hey, I come from one of the "woke bros" and heard about this video. But instead of judging based on the things I heard, I wanted to see the full context and make my own picture. If anyone has a link to any archive, I would very much appreciate an uncut/raw version of the video.

This is going to be blunt and perhaps too harsh, if you want to criticize other content creators then do it, snide half remarks and vague gesturing accomplish nothing and only hurt the video. I'd say some of the arguing going on in the comments prove the point.

@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530

23 күн бұрын

so mauler is a god now lol

@lordteensie6156

23 күн бұрын

@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530 lol wut

@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530

23 күн бұрын

@@lordteensie6156 lol wut to you oh very jrrt language btw

@lordteensie6156

23 күн бұрын

@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530 is you having a stroke? If you smell toast call the emergency number

@supersuit5790

2 күн бұрын

@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530make sense you Neanderthal

I was always hoping that Halbrand would actually be the king of the Southlands. Then we could have watched Sauron corrupt him (eventually becoming a Ringwraith) and have Galadriel struggle with wanting to kill Sauron but not want to fight her friend. There could have been a really interesting tug-of-war over the allegiance of Halbrand.

@ofthewilderwoods

Ай бұрын

No, stop, that’s too interesting! We can’t have that! /s

@JustWandering

Ай бұрын

I was also hoping for this, or that he’d turn out to be the king from the Paths of the Dead and befriend Isildur before betraying him.

@arcahmwinters70

Ай бұрын

...Shit, that's actually pretty good.

@rae3781

Ай бұрын

I wrote an entire tumblr post detailing what I wished happened, and this was a HUGE thing I wanted. Let us see the slow decline of his mental health and corruption by Sauron and the rings!!!! LET ME SEE INNER TURMOIL WITH HIS FRIENDS AND HIS MORALS AND HIS DESIRE FOR POWER UGH

@ZttackFrmBhind

Ай бұрын

@@rae3781 This is why Tv Series are longer than movies, so the slow progression can let us see this kind of thing

The thing I can't stand about Theo is the name itself-Tolkien was so careful about his names. The elves and Gondorians have Elvish names, with their specific flavor; the Rohirrim have Old English/Anglo-Saxon; and the hobbits and Breelanders have either nature names or very simple, almost timeless English names. Theo comes from Theophilus, a GREEK name, and it jars so terribly in Middle-earth.

@gunkulator1

Ай бұрын

Maybe Theo is just short for Theoden

@BigBadWolframio

Ай бұрын

I think that they were going for a Rohirrim sounding name (Théoden, Theodred), but they didn't really think it through. It's so jarring since there's no other character name that sounds similar in the show, so it just makes it stand out even more. Or maybe you're right and they weren't even thinking about it.

@sulphuric_glue4468

Ай бұрын

Not necessarily Theophilos, Theo is also a shortened form of Theodoros (Anglicised to Theodore) - but still very much Greek.

@Zajin13

Ай бұрын

It’s even a step deeper. Tolkien, as a linguist, even thought about how men of Rohan and Hobbits share a closer heritage. The whole story is supposed to represent a actual historical account written in a in world language that was then translated into a language we can understand. Frodo actually isn’t named Frodo in the universe, his name is Maura Labingi. The fictional historian translating the document just changed the name into an equivalent we, as English readers, would understand better. So Hobbits got these old Francian placeholder names like Frodo, Bilbo or Peregrin and with that in universe translation are we even able to understand when Theoden mentions that all those Hobbit names sound like very old timey names their ancestors used to have and how they share several similar folk tales in their culture and so on.

@StarryEyed0590

Ай бұрын

I hate that they used Elanor as a Harfoot name for the same reason. Sam naming his daughter Elanor was a fusion of the way his travels had broadened him and connected him to a wider world (since the elanor is a small, star-shaped flower that specifically grows in Lothlorien) with the Hobbit tradition of naming daughters after flowers. It was a unique name that represented an aspect of Sam's character and character growth. Now it's just any old Harfoot/Hobbit name and who knows why they even know what elanor is.

Wait what happenned to the last hour of the video? Just puft out of existence!?

Random Film Talk doesn't belong on that little list of yours mate. And the fact that he's included just shows off your little need to push your own politics. You clearly don't watch his content or understand what he is even criticizing in your own example lol.

@alex30425

Ай бұрын

He does belong.

@MistbornTaylor

Ай бұрын

@@alex30425 Why

@mina319

Ай бұрын

@@MistbornTaylorCrickets

@MistbornTaylor

Ай бұрын

@@mina319 and the section has been deleted so I guess we’ll never know :(

@supermonstars

Ай бұрын

@@alex30425 Lol, even Hello Future Me disagrees with you. Get fucked.

What's truly baffling about this show is how it looks both expensive AND cheap at the same time given the ungodly amounts of money thrown at it.

@lukeluke333lukeluke

Ай бұрын

100% agree. The armor and customs are bad too awful. Made worse once you compare to the movies...

@TomCruz54321

Ай бұрын

It looks so cheap because 99% of the time it looks so obvious they're standing in front of a green screen. You can tell the sets are really small and the environment is just a skybox that you can't interact with.

@cranberryrosebud

Ай бұрын

I haven't seen it myself, but the clips always leave me confused about the styling/costuming. Some pieces look well-made and realistic, while others seem cheap. Some of the hairstyling feels like a fantasy show, and some of it a standard modern-day haircut. One thing I do think might lend to a confusing overall visual is the colour-grading/palette - the LOTR trilogy has grainy and grungy darks while the bright colours like the green of the Shire pop off the screen. It makes the entire thing feel fantastical, and adds to the character of each individual place in Middle Earth. Meanwhile, everything in ROP feels like it's been coloured the same, and the style they chose to go with makes the costumes look more costume-y. In an amateur production, I'd find it charming, but with this show's Amazon money, it just feels jarring.

@bmabs35

Ай бұрын

@@cranberryrosebud Celebrimbor's robes for example. He looks like he's wearing curtain drapes. The original character Bronwyn is the only one in her village that seems to have colourful clothes. It's just all over the place.

@pahvi3

Ай бұрын

Fr, all the unstructured polyester robes, the 3D-printed designs, jewellery straight off the shelf... But most importantly, the cultures don't have distinct aesthetics. I was so pissed when everyone kept saying "don't worry, if the writing is bad at least we know the show is gonna look good" AND IT FUCKING DIDN'T

"I like half of it half as well as I would like and I like less than half of it as well as I think it deserves." Incredible line. Bilbo would be proud. 👏

@finndelimatamay1983

Ай бұрын

As *it thinks it deserves (I think)

@Richard_Nickerson

Ай бұрын

it* thinks it deserves

@Richard_Nickerson

Ай бұрын

​@@finndelimatamay1983 Accurate

@USSAnimeNCC-

Ай бұрын

I’m proud that someone is criticizing it that is t some culture war warrior or anti woke loser like the critical drinker go watch Jose video on him on how while he and other like him while complaining about agenda their the one pushing one and watch pillar of garbage and the recent target of culture war warrior is the X-men now

What happened to the last hour and a half of the video?

the fact that there are commentators out there expecting tolkien's elvish men to somehow NOT be beautiful and elegant just baffles my mind. and the fact that they can't comprehend a man behind beautiful, elegant, sensitive AND a strong, powerful leader is just a shame to their own world, as they make it thinner and more reduced than it could be.

@LarthV

Ай бұрын

You are very right, but that all hangs on the definition of manliness they use. It is a very specific definition - that of twentieth century working class US, and possibly British, men. It does not work in quite literally any other place or time - just think of a binge drinking, spread out sitting knight templar, samurai, heck, even a 1930ies German Nazi - they all would be disgusted by the image they have in mind, and no one can tell me that the SS was not obsessed with masculinity - they are the epitomy of toxic masculinity.

@blackaua

Ай бұрын

@@LarthV Why do you associate masculinity with the SS?

@unnamedenemy9

Ай бұрын

@@blackaua that is very clearly not what he did -- he said that the SS were obsessed with masculinity, and yet their version of masculinity wouldn't match what we consider masculine now.

@LarthV

Ай бұрын

@@blackaua Yeah - note I wrote about "toxic" masculinity. And while thy definitely htought of themselves as being very manly, they were also extremely toxic to both themselves and to others, killing people left and right while at the same time throwing intoctrinated teenagers into war without blinking an eye.

@samwallaceart288

29 күн бұрын

To me my issue is just that the Elves in this show don't look Elven enough. Celebrimbor looks like a Hobbit not an Elf.

Wait, are you telling me Amazon spent a billion dollars on a story they don't even have the full rights to? 🤦

@DeniseDutton

Ай бұрын

I blame RoP for Amazon Prime having commercials now. 😉

@fisch37

Ай бұрын

​@@DeniseDuttonOh damn that might actually be true

@DeniseDutton

Ай бұрын

​@@fisch37 it just feels like something that that guy would do...

@resathe6760

Ай бұрын

yep, that's basically it ;D

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Yes, but I think the more damning detail is they did have the rights to a lot of amazing stories and did not use them. ~ Tim

1:16:00 The dialogue in Skyrim is actually better since it's more justified. In that lore, the Elves just won a war where part of their victory was outlawing worship of one of the gods solely because he was human at one point and actively hunting and arresting people inside of Skyrim who didn't comply.

@manegirl93416

Ай бұрын

Not to mention, early TES Man was enslaved by early Elven society until Alessia rebelled and Pelinal fought for them (though perhaps took it a bit too far), not to mention Ysgramor losing everything to the Snow Elves, so the hatred unfortunately runs DEEP.

@smergthedargon8974

Ай бұрын

@@manegirl93416 Too far? No, no - Pelinal didn't go far enough.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Yes! Like it's bad but the Thalmor are legitimately trying to wipe out their religion so they can destroy the world and ascend. 😅 ~ Tim

@manegirl93416

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe*gasp* Senpai noticed me!

@jamesr1371

Ай бұрын

"solely because he was human at one point". I mean, I wouldn't love it if my imperial overlords declared that the guy who slaughtered his way through my country was actually a God now

Why is the video suddenly only 2.5 hours? I didnt get to finish the second half yet?!

@user-pv3nh5rd1m

Ай бұрын

He removed the part where he’s criticizing other creators.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

I try to be a positive space, and while masculinity and men's issues are really important, the section did not fit with that ethos as much as I thought. I will talk about these issues in the future as they really do matter. Overall, the section has caused an unhealthy amount of anxiety. ~ Tim

@Benjamin-rq1fi

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe ok, I guess I can understand that (thanks for the reply btw). It would be awesome if you could find a place to post the unedited version for people that aren't going to get all upset and offended, but guessing that's a tough proposition.

@Forgefaerie

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe oh fishsticks, I literally just recommended that video to an acquaintance BECAUSE of that section.... seconding request for an unedited version, if possible.

Really stretching for that 10-minute mark here tim

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

😂 only a little

@baconcatbug

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe Only 4 hours? Short Man Bad!

@Eemi_Seppala

Ай бұрын

@@baconcatbug No no, it's only 2.5 hours.

@straightline2

Ай бұрын

@@baconcatbug Thanks for that comment, because when I began watching it was a 4-hour video, but then it changed to 2.5 hours and I couldn't understand what kind of bug would lead me to that first misconception. I guess what happened was just some cutting then.

@Ben-rz9cf

Ай бұрын

​@@straightline2 Apparently he cut out some rant about "woke bros" but i can't imagine that went on for 2 hours... If it did, god damn.

I clicked on this video fully expecting it to be a 4-hour loop of They're Taking the Hobbits to Isengard, since you posted it early on the first of April NZ time.

@WritingGeekNL

Ай бұрын

One could say that April fools jokes are C O M P L I C A T E D.

Good critique, but I think you should have better researched your section on other youtubers. There were definitely some you lumped in that shouldn't have been there.

@samwallaceart288

29 күн бұрын

His general criticism applies to Az and Gary, part of why their shows bore the hell out of me is because all they do is bitch about politics. But Drinker, Random, and Platoon have actual arguments to back up the criticisms they levy.

@greyknight627

21 күн бұрын

@@samwallaceart288so, you don’t watch Az and Gary. Got it.

@samwallaceart288

21 күн бұрын

@@greyknight627 I don't think they're evil, just that every clip I've seen of them on any topic they have the most woke-bad version of the point while everyone else has actual arguments. I don't watch them that often for that reason. That said, I still wouldn't use any of that as grounds to cancel them or label them a pipeline; I just think they have shoddy argumentation and glaring biases that shoot them in the foot; they're not alt-right footsoldiers. HFM's critiques have some application there, but the conclusions HFM draws are unfair. Looking back on my comment now I failed to clarify that. Gary and Az are nowhere near Synthetic Man on the spectrum; I just meant the "your politics are the driving factor here and that hurts your work" critique applies to their side of things where it doesn't to folk like Platoon.

Helbrand's situation reminds me of the end of _Pocahontas,_ where they decide that the best cure for a gunshot wound is three months at sea to arrive in 17th Century England

The "mystery box" storytelling is not only a ridiculously overused modern plot device, but fundamentally is runs contrary to _everything_ in Tolkein's writing. Tolkein _never_ used ongoing mysteries to keep his readers engaged. It was quite enough to just get the reader invested in the outcome without all of the misdirection and obfuscation. It is the continuing insistence that mystery must drive the plot that causes RoP to fail. Tolkein simply didn't write that way... ever.

@TomCruz54321

Ай бұрын

Agreed, not every story needs the Mystery Box. In the first act of Lord of the Rings, we already know what the One Ring is and who made it (Sauron) and why he made it, and that Frodo intends to destroy it, and where he intends to destroy it (Mt. Doom), and how he intends to destroy it (cast it into the fire), these info weren't artificially held back for the BIG REVEAL. In the first act of Back to the Future, we already know what the time machine is (DeLorean) and who made it (Doc Brown) and what makes it work (flux capacitor) and when he came up with it (1955).

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Yeah it came across to me as very "modern" storytelling, which did not really fit the source material. That style just was not working for me (or clearly others). ~ Tim

@rageagainstmyhatchet

Ай бұрын

The only mystery in TLOTR was 1) who are these black riders hunting Frodo (book 1), and 2) Did Frodo even survive, when the armies march on the Black gate and the Mouth presents his clothes/weapons. (Book 5/6). Both are intended mysteries, designed to keep you asking, but both are awesome.

@iogssothoth666

8 күн бұрын

They did the same with Wheel of time. They introduced a "mystery" that was never there in the books and actively prevented them from telling the story for the need to artificially maintain a mystery that never was needed. But that is what happens when you put in charge talentless hacks who actively seek to shit on a source material they hate.

Reaching the middle of the video and I'm very impressed with how much respect and love he's showing for the whole production without leaving the criticism behind. It's actually rather touching

@bencressman6110

Ай бұрын

He even tried to show compassion to Bezos! Couldn’t do it though 😂😂

a section has been edited out hasnt it?????????

@HenryLeslieGraham

Ай бұрын

@@Zac_Frost hes definitely NOT trying to conceal anything at all... or deflect criticism

@HenryLeslieGraham

Ай бұрын

@@Zac_Frost you can get no hate if naught knows you were putting out videos hating other creators. oh wait...

You shortened it from 4 hours?

@jamesbond1126

26 күн бұрын

@@user-ex9ti7ds3mit had an entire section on right-wing KZreadrs and their insane reactions to the show, and about their shallow and dishonest content in general. Shame it was cut, it was a really great portion.

@blackbird993

22 күн бұрын

​@@jamesbond1126agreed! It was a great take

@spinosaurusstriker

21 күн бұрын

He compared a reviewer to matt walsh, said reviewer has like half the spice on his languaje and topics as ralph the moviemaker.

@rubberrand142

20 күн бұрын

@@jamesbond1126 seriously? Its has nothing but relevance, they were the LARGEST outcriers against the show, and we can't badmouth them?

This has been said a hundred times but MAN, this whole idea of "outsmarting the viewer" is just so fucking stupid and almost never works

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

It is such a weird thing to aim for? Like, for me, if viewers figure things out, that is so exciting! ~ Tim

@sunbleachedangel

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe I should have clarified that it's definitely not a bad thing to aim for, not some writers are way too obsessed with it to a big detriment for their story. A predictable story can still be a very good story

@chengarqordath

Ай бұрын

@@sunbleachedangelI think trying to throw out a clever twist none of the viewers saw coming in something like a mystery is fine. It's a good thing to aim for in that genre. A good twist can recontextualize the entire story in ways that are shocking, but make perfect sense. To bring up a recent example, while the Red Wedding is a shocking moment when you first see it, all the pieces leading up to it are clearly pointed out. We see Robb starting to alienate Northern lords like the Karstarks and Boltons. We're repeatedly told that Walder Frey is an incredibly petty and vindictive man, and it's a bad idea for Robb to snub him. We know Tywin Lannister is a cunning politician who knows how to manipulate people and is utterly ruthless. All the pieces of the Red Wedding are properly laid out well before the event goes down. The problem is that a good shocking reveal needs to be properly set up and foreshadowed, which means some of the audience will guess what's coming. Especially in the internet age where it's so easy for fandoms to get together and exchange notes. A good mystery with a twist ending can't outsmart the audience, because it needs to properly seed in clues and foreshadowing. Even if the clues and foreshadowing are subtle, with a big enough audience someone's going to notice and put it all together. If they then go post what they noticed on social media and other fans see it... The only way to truly get a twist the audience couldn't possibly see coming is if there's no setup or foreshadowing for it. Which is probably going to feel less like a big reveal that ties everything together, and more like a sudden completely random event.

@Duiker36

Ай бұрын

@@sunbleachedangel It's a bad thing to aim for. You should rely on tropes first, and then write the story in a way that works best for your own vision, even if that vision happens to subvert a trope or two. That's how you "outsmart" a viewer: by believing something strongly enough that it can't be denied. Not by trying to outmaneuver millions of people in hundreds of different levels of familiarity and savviness.

@thecrispymaster

Ай бұрын

@chengarqordath I'm still not convinced that the aim with these sorts of twists shouldn't be about outsmarting the audience. The aim is to make sure the POV characters wouldn't see it coming. IMO a twist that is "too obvious" in detective fiction isn't bad because we saw it coming, but because the detective SHOULD have but didn't at it therefore paints him as an idiot. If I see the twist coming but it's still fully reasonable that the characters didn't, IMO that's still potentially a good twist. The reason that these twists can and do still outsmart a portion of the audience is because the audience see the world through the eyes of the POV characters and if they can't see it coming, it's not unrealistic that the audience will miss it too.

A long long time ago.... (The Beginnings video) Tim: "I do not know how people do three hour long take downs of Star Wars movies on this site." March 31, 2024 (This video)

@matthewmuir8884

Ай бұрын

I guess he took lessons on how to make long, critical videos.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Though also long doesnt mean bad. I said that more because i dont enjoy filming and it would take ages 😅 I actually quite like long critiques, just never thought I could do them. ~ Tim

@MrocnyZbik

Ай бұрын

You either leave KZread with short videos or make 4 hour long essey about Morrowind. When Tim? When will video essey about Morrowind drop?

@GR20000

Ай бұрын

When you realize that successfully catalogging and critiquing a piece of art when you are taking it seriously takes a significant amount of time.

@KaiHung-wv3ul

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe Thanks for replying!

Why isn't it 4h anymore? 🤔

“I like half of it half as well as I would like and I like less than half of it half as well as it thinks it deserves” PERFECTLY sums up my thoughts on this, ty tim 🙌🏻😂

The issue with Galadriel isn't necessarily the fact that she's a "warrior-princess." I mean, that does kinda go against her character's lore, but from a point of view just focused on storytelling, it's not a bad decision on its own. The issue is that she's a warrior princess who nobody likes and there's no reason to care about her. Eowyn from LOTR was also a "warrior princess," but her story is way better because it's actually meaningful. We see how Eowyn is held back by society, we see her struggle to cope with not being able to help the people she cares about as they suffer, we see her defiance and determination to do what's right even if it breaks her societal traditions, and we see her actions have dramatic consequences for the story (she helps kill the Witch King, without which Gondor would have lost the battle of Pelennor and Minas Tirith would've fallen). Galadriel, on the other hand, has none of this. She's not held back in any significant way, she has no personal struggles, and her actions are extremely inconsequential. Most of her contributions to the story are just due to her happening to be in the right place at the right time. That's why her character sucks. Amazon clearly wanted to paint the image of a strong, independent woman, but ended up creating the exact opposite - a boring character with no agency and no arc or growth.

@gunkulator1

Ай бұрын

Now that you mention it, you could remove Galadriel from the show entirely and none of the main plot points would change. Stranger/Gandalf still appears. Elrond/Durin/Mithril/Dwarves story still happens. Sauron still finds his way back to Middle Earth. Celembrimdor still makes the three elven rings. Mordor still gets created in the same way.

@sulphuric_glue4468

Ай бұрын

A major part of why Eowyn succeeds where Galadriel does not is that Eowyn also comes to realise that her pursuit of battle and death is not the right course. Though she does achieve great things on this path - slaying the Witch King is a huge deal - she realises that it's hurting her and that it's not a sustainable way to live, that the world does not need any more war. She dedicates herself to life rather than death, becoming a healer. This has sometimes been framed as her "returning to traditional womanhood" or some such waffle but it's really about her choosing (of her own volition) to live by helping others rather than killing others. It shows that there is more to Eowyn beyond being reduced to a tomboyish warrior princess trope, that she is deeply affected by the trauma of war just like everyone else, and the suffering she saw and went through broke any delusions she had that dying in battle is glorious. It's an experience many young men went through in WW1, probably including Tolkien himself.

@gunkulator1

Ай бұрын

@@sulphuric_glue4468 That's a pretty decent analysis. WW1 marked the end of the "glory in battle" ideal that dominated history and storytelling because technology completely changed the nature of warfare. No longer was warfare predominately man vs. man and may the best man prevail. Instead WW1 saw the rise of weapons of mass of destruction on a scale never seen before: artillery, machine guns, gas. Killing was done anonymously, randomly and at a distance. There was nowhere left for the old ideals about warfare to hide. It was finally unmasked as the fiction it always was.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

You could definitely feel that she was basically just "allowed" to move on to the next plot beat when it felt convenient-hence all the coincidences. We were meant to empathise with her, but I think most people just found her incredibly frustrating or yeah, boring. ¬ Tim

@gunkulator1

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe Galadriel is oddly set up for future seasons given what little lore we have from Tolkien about the Second Age. First off, she's married and has been for centuries but we go the whole season with just one throwaway line in there about her husband. And it comes across on screen rather awkwardly which makes it seem like it the line was hastily added. She's also supposed to have a daughter, Celebrían, and there's no mention of her at all. Elrond and Celebrían are supposed to fall in love - a dream storyline for a television series, but again she doesn't even exist yet on the show. She gets a ring for seemingly no reason other than she happened to be standing around in the room when they were being made. It always seemed to me that the writers should have made Celebrían the main character of the story instead of Galadriel. There's almost nothing written about Celebrían so the writers would have had carte blanche. Sure the woke bros would still complain about the whole girlboss thing but at least this time they can't cry about ruining an already established character. Galadriel's stated motivation for coming to and staying in Middle Earth was the wish to establish and rule over her own realm. This clashes with the adventure-Galadriel we get. Focusing on Celebrían undoes this clash but at the same time Celebrían would still know all the same interesting and powerful people that Galadriel also knows precisely because her parents rule such a powerful realm. No need to invent the silly "Commander of the Northern Armies" title which lasts for all of one episode before adventure-Galadriel abandons her troops - or more accurately they abandon her. We could also ditch the revenge plot which never really worked anyway as a good motivation for Galadriel.

The true mystery of the show, and one that admittedly kept me watching the whole thing, is "Really? That's it?" (The answer is unfortunately "Yes, that's it")

@genghisgalahad8465

Ай бұрын

You mean, the trailers?

@fisch37

Ай бұрын

"Okay surely they can't screw up-- dear lord..."

I actually didn't see coming that Halbrand was Sauron. But that's not because the show did an amazing job hiding the twist. It's because I never expected Sauron to be a twist. I didn't understand that the show was trying to hide Sauron's identity inside the characters. I just assumed he was out of this story and he would appear as a last minute cliffhanger for the end. Also, their red herrings were pretty stupid. The old man was clearly meant to be Gandalf from the beggining, I didn't think for a single second he was another person. And Adar had a personality completely different to Sauron, being honestly concerned for the orcs well being and displaying none of the power one would expect from a Maiar, even when being openly hostile to the heroes. So for me, the show completely failed with it's intrigue of "who Sauron is". That was never a question in my mind until the exact moment when Halbrand recognises Celebrimbor and I instatly knew he was freaking Sauron. Apparently this question was part of the promotional material for the series, but I don't engage with fan theories much, so I don't care about external material. It was the show's responsibility to generate its own intrigue and it utterly failed.

Where are the “woke bros” criticizing something that is objectively well made as “woke “…nobody is calling House of the Dragon woke for race swapping an entire family of characters because a) it’s appropriate to do so for in-universe reasons and b) It’s well written and well executed I feel like people are trying to hide behind the bigotry/ism/ ist shield as a way of dodging criticism simply because they don’t like the politics of the critic. HFM seems to actually agree that the show is poorly written - something that the “woke bros” have done as well.

@rebelcenzo

Ай бұрын

I find it pretty funny how your first statement can just as well be read as you criticizing the woke bros Why are wokebros never criticizing woke stuff in well written media? I noticed that many shows/games that succeed and feature woke elements (arcane, HotD, BG3) are just not called woke, with people trying really hard to explain why it’s actually non-woke despite featuring all the elements (lgbtq representation, strong female leads, diversity, etc) they point out as woke in other media. Because if they acknowledge that the show is good and featured woke elements, that would mean that the woke elements themselves aren’t the reason for bad shows, but the writing and how these elements are incorporated. The slogan go woke go broke would fall flat if they started calling good shows woke In the end, we all agree that we want media to be well written, and that’s also the point that HFM is making. The thing that many people are annoyed by is, that there are people like shad that just go too far with seeing woke stuff everywhere and trying to cover up some actual bigotry with „nah it’s just about the bad writing trust me“. A good example is when shad criticized the last of us episode 3, comparing seeing a gay couple in a show to having to watch someone live out their foot fetish (even his comment section was criticizing him massively for the video), trying really hard to convince people it’s actually a badly written episode that shouldn’t have existed It’s just really frustrating to sit through their reviews and they give you some actual bad writing arguments mixed with stuff like „look how gay Elrond looks, he’s such a femboy, they want to take away your masculine straight characters and turn everyone gay“ in a show that does not even feature a single gay character. I just can’t blame people for seeing bigotry when stuff like that is constantly in the mix of their videos

@rebelcenzo

Ай бұрын

Shad also did call house of the dragon woke because of the abortion scenes if I remember correctly

@shadowdemon2272

Ай бұрын

As a massive House of the Dragon fan, I can assure you that an overall pretty small, but still not non-existent, and VERY vocal, online group of people did and still do criticize House of the Dragon and call it "woke" because of the race-swap, regardless of how much sense it did or didn't make, how well done it was, or the fact GRRM gave his blessing for the modification. I'm going to assume you just haven't seen them, but I can promise you, they're real... Not saying anything about your point overall, this is just not a great example is all 🤷🏼‍♀️

@mayhemivory5730

29 күн бұрын

@@rebelcenzo "people trying really hard to explain why it’s actually non-woke despite featuring all the elements" I think that's a matter of definition. Originally "woke" meant "aware of progressive ideals", but when used as a criticism it is instead used as "values political messaging over quality". By that newer definition, only bad things can ever be "woke". "The slogan go woke go broke would fall flat" consequently also makes more sense with a definition where "woke" is necessarily "failure". What's important to keep in mind as well is that afaik the phrase originates from the comic book scene - where it is actually accurate. A number of comic lines was repeatedly cancelled and rebooted; of course the people that actually made the monetary loss were the retailers (rather than the publishers) that had bought comics in bulk and found it impossible to sell them. "comparing seeing a gay couple in a show to having to watch someone live out their foot fetish" is truely an absurd statement; not least because by that logic the same would be true in reverse. Not to mention there isn't anything wrong with this thing that ... nobody is actually forced to watch? It's just arguing into empty air just to find something to complain about. There's even a way to deal with that episode/ to talk about it that would have not been bigoted; I don't think there'd have been any issue had he just said "it made me uncomfortable, so I skipped it". Additionally extra stupid/ embarassing that Ep.3 of TLoU is commonly agreed to be the best one. The thing about the original OP is that they're not completely wrong: there are people that use "you're just racist" as an actual deflection. Just the same as there are, as you pointed out, people that use "it's really bad" as a cover for their bigotry. I cannot help but remember both the "this is why I hate videogames - they appeal to the male fantasy" meme as well as the good old "I can't be racist, I have a black friend".

@rebelcenzo

29 күн бұрын

@@mayhemivory5730 I thought about that definition too, but given the public discourse it doesn’t really make sense since there are still debates online about „is BG3 woke“, when just by looking at it’s public success and praise of writing that would not be possible by that definition. It would also mean that wokeness wouldn’t be such a divisive topic, since I haven’t seen anyone argue that representation itself matters more than good writing or the quality of that representation. It would also fail to explain why the wokeness debate usually starts with release footage like pictures and trailers that don’t even give away if the media is well written or not, but just how certain characters look. It would also make the slogan go woke go broke self-evident and therefore obsolete. It’s like saying „if you fail to make a good product, the product won’t be successful“, like yeah who would’ve thought? It doesn’t help that many people are never really giving a clear definition, but instead presuppose that everyone knows what it means and what not. This vagueness is also the reason some just use „woke“ to express their aversion of inclusive media itself, while always having the plausible deniability to change the definition around as it suits them. Considering your last point: I do get what the OP was trying to say, but HFM spent more than 2 hours talking about why the show isn’t good. His complaints in the wokebro section are not a defense of the show, but a critique of some of these reviewers and their practices. I totally agree that if studios/fans use the racist/sexist card against the audience just because people didn’t like their media, it’s just a dumb excuse and no one should take that serious. But criticizing the wokebros isn’t a defense of bad media, just like the media being actually bad isn’t a defense of the wokebros I just hope HFM will adress some of his points in a dedicated video, leave out some names like Platoon and focus on certain wokebro content in more detail instead of mixing them all together. That made it easier for people to dismiss the entire section or defend the entire crowd by just defending some of these guys

my contribution to this discussion is as follows: "Tolkien comes back and says "it's pronounced Jandalf" then promptly dies again"

@vigilantez9361

Ай бұрын

Maybe it’s supposed to be ”Jaladriel” then, too!

@rangerstedfast

Ай бұрын

Jondor

@samuelleask1132

28 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@rangerstedfast

27 күн бұрын

Jimli son of Jloin

@ms-abominable

17 күн бұрын

@@rangerstedfast my tongue tripped down the stairs trying to pronounce that

Rings of Power felt like a novice imitating a master without understanding the master's choices, and the perfect example of this is the "multiple plotlines that don't start out in the same place and stay mostly disconnected" thing. The writers looked at Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones, saw sprawling storylines and decided they must to have a similar structure, but they failed to figure out how to make that work. The writers of Rings of Power just...don't understand good writing.

@artemisia4718

Ай бұрын

Nepo babies vs The Professor

@genghisgalahad8465

Ай бұрын

They got Lost before they even started.

@elimgarak3553

Ай бұрын

Honestly, I think it’s way too harsh to call them bad writers. In hindsight, if you listen to all the complaints from the writers strike about the affect undervaluing writers has on their work; than all the writing in Hollywood makes sense. What you’re doing here is comparing the output of a man, with the job security of a tenured professor, working on a project for years to people who got paid sometimes less than a living, given impossible deadlines, who’s opinions were constantly ignored, and if their work wasn’t a commercial success were unlikely to be able to pay their rent. Amazon is known for treating their writers like shit and so their creative output suffered.

@aperson9847

Ай бұрын

@@elimgarak3553 Okay to put it more politely then, they're woefully inexperienced writers, totally not equipped to head a project that was supposed to rival Game of Thrones in its scope. And yeah, I'm sure a lot of their creativity was subject to oversight from Amazon suits, but that doesn't excuse the fact that every part of the show that has to do with writing was poorly done.

@ILikedGooglePlus

Ай бұрын

​@@genghisgalahad8465👏👏👏

Me seeing them add in Dragon Age/Witcher levels of elf racism in Middle Earth threw me so hard when I heard it. Hearing “knife ear” here, in goddamn Lord of the Rings, I had to turn the show off and sit with my head in my hands for a while.

Let's never forget that the creators thought we needed to be told that the Southlands were now Mordor. (Not like the giant exploding volcano gave it away.) I guess that's the level of intelligence the creators thought the we, the audience, had. :/

@anni.68

Ай бұрын

It makes sense if you remember that they produced the show for a fast global majority of casual viewers who do not know Tolkien, who at the most might have seen the movies, years ago.

@cjb_writings

Ай бұрын

@@anni.68 I would disagree, especially when we see Sauron returning there at the end of the season. And if someone doesn't know that it is now Mordor, they'll find out through context clues in season once people in world start calling it Mordor

One of my favourite lines in this travesty of a show is: "Humility has saved entire kingdoms. The proud have led all but to ruin." So many good single lines surrounded by countless bad ones.

@leopercara3477

Ай бұрын

It's also a pretty ironic one, isn't it?

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

It's a good line! Just sadly lost in the context that, at this point, Galadriel is being a hypocrite in saying it, so it rings a little hollow sadly. Would have been nice if they used it post-Adar scene. ~ Tim

@jacoporegini8841

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe Indeed. It would've been a lot more effettive if not delivered after the whole "There is a tempest in me!" Fiasco.

@filipvadas7602

Ай бұрын

Ironic considering the show is a vanity project in of itself.

@Mica_T

Ай бұрын

Ain't this an appropriate quote.

The hairstyles alone render this show utterly unforgivable to me. They made Finrod look like Duke Nukem and Celebrimbor look like Mitt Romney.

@fishymacaroon6

Ай бұрын

It was rough. Like there's not necessarily a lore requirement for all elves to have long hair, but Jackson's trilogy did it very well, and changing it doesn't accomplish anything.

@LarthV

Ай бұрын

@@fishymacaroon6 Certainly. Though to be fair, there is also short hair and short hair. And this is a very abysmal incarnation...

@RonetaG

Ай бұрын

Right? Sure, it sounds like a very shallow critique of a very minor flaw, but even if the rest of the show was excellent, that little thing would still bother me, because the way they chose to portray the elves visually made them luck too human - too chubby, like Gil-Galad, too old, like Celebrimbor, too short-haired, like many of them

@fishymacaroon6

Ай бұрын

@RonetaG casting an old Celebrimbor alongside a very young Galadrial when they should be, at least for elves, basically the same age was a wild choice. Gil Galad should be younger than both of them and is supposed to be one of the greatest warriors of the elves. Why they felt he should be a tubby middle-aged politician is beyond me.

@RonetaG

Ай бұрын

@fishymacaroon6 exactly, Celebrimbor is actually younger than Galadriel, and even had a crush on her, if i remember correctly. Now imagine these two flirting... When I've heard about this show being made, i really wanted to see the likes of Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad on screen, in all their eterial beauty and glory. And we've got a senile master craftsman and a middle aged chonk. Even if rop was actually well written and in all other aspects a perfect adaptation, that would still bother me

While i agree on many points, i dont get why random film talks is mentioned in this context. He is talking and analysing movies and series proactively. While i either don't know the other creators you mentioned or even can agree with you, RFT doesent seem like a good fit or example for your list / the point you're trying to make. Cheers

@Dw00010

Ай бұрын

Little Platoon also, he even has a running gag of people accusing him of defending the sorts of things Tim claims. It’s funny because it shows Tim didn’t watch properly and just made claims in bad faith.

@BourneColdBlooded

Ай бұрын

@@lukew6725the best part about including little platoon in his arguments is the mentions constantly about these critcs being anti LGBT when platoon is openly gay

@TheShanicpower

Ай бұрын

@@BourneColdBloodedYou can be gay and still hold the queerphobic or misogynistic views. There’s a good amount of sexist men in the gay community, and quite a few terfs are gay. (This isn’t to say this KZreadr qualifies, I haven’t watched him)

@staceysmith5074

20 күн бұрын

@@TheShanicpowerLook no further than James Somerton.

After watching Rings of Power I never went back to it. At first I thought it was just the length that was stopping me from rewatching but then I realized the extended editions are 3 hours longer and I’d watched those through at least 3 times since Rings of Power came out.

1:57:19 "We had no idea what we were getting into" in a $1 billion show ... yeah, this does explain a lot.

Terra Nova, despite it's faults, was such a great premise and full of potential. So sad it got scrapped after only one season. There was definitely something wrong going on there behind the scenes, i mean sure the show had quite a bit of CGI In some episodes but there's no shot it was costing 10 million per episode or whatever number they were floating around as an explanation for cancelling it.

@matthewmuir8884

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it had a lot of potential; it is a shame what happened to it. Yet another on the long list of interesting shows that the fox network cancelled after only one season (with Firefly at the very top of the list).

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

I loved it so much 😅 i was so attached ~ Tim

@xKinjax

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe Same!! It may have been cheesy but it had a certain something that i don't really find in shows today anymore. I can't really put it into words, maybe because English isn't my first language. It gave me the same type of feeling i got when watching shows in the 90s as a kid 😁

@arcahmwinters70

Ай бұрын

My god, somebody other than me remembers Terra Nova?

@ziggystardust1973

Ай бұрын

Terra Nova was such a joy, it has been so many years that I thought about it

Passion > Corporate Interests. Always. Imagine if they’d given a billion dollars to a director and some writers that LOVED LOVED LOVED LoTR with all their heart and soul-people that not only *understood* the story, but have also felt what it’s like to have their whole being *resonate* with it. Wouldn’t that be a sight…

What happend to the last hour and a half?

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

While my central message around men's mental health and masculinity is vital, and I will continue to talk about men's issues and how men get caught up in this stuff, I want my channel to be a positive place, and I don't feel I lived up to that in the best way I could in that section, and [2] frankly, I have not been dealing with this video mentally very well from the day it dropped-as such I removed it. ~ Tim

The screaming scene recreation is chef’s kiss

Tim, you’re becoming one of the KZreadrs who whenever they drop it feels like an event. Rare territory and damn do I respect the process to invest so much into ONE video.

@prakharmathur9453

Ай бұрын

If only someone did the same for books

@MxZui

Ай бұрын

​@@prakharmathur9453 KrimsonRogue does and it's always a treat! 💛

@giantmastersword

Ай бұрын

Demonetization coming in 3... 2...

@MxZui

Ай бұрын

@@prakharmathur9453 KrimsonRogue does and it's always a treat! 💛

@jossecoupe446

Ай бұрын

To reach that rarified atmosphere... if only there wasn't so much dang fantasy news 😔

Tolkien did use "Marvel-style" jokes in his own way. He never quite dipped into outright anachronism (especially not twenty-first century anachronism) but he did sometimes break the poetic gravity with a jab delivered in plain speech. For example, there is a scene where Saruman proclaims, "And here you will stay, Gandalf the Grey, and rest from journeys. For I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman the Ring-maker, Saruman of Many Colours!" and displays his new shimmering robes. Gandalf, unimpressed, replies, "I liked white better."

Hello. Was the video cut? I remember this video close to 4hrs, now why is it less than 3hrs?

@ameerdataya516

27 күн бұрын

Or was i wrong? I remember there was a segment of woke section.

@ameerdataya516

27 күн бұрын

So i check other comments and I was not wrong. What happened to the woke segment? And where can I see the full video?

@kadalsaurus6232

27 күн бұрын

@@ameerdataya516 he misrepresent other youtuber without doing any research, so he cut that section

@courtneylewis2415

26 күн бұрын

Tim has addressed this in a few replies to comments asking a similar question. Two of his replies were: "I try to be a positive space, and while masculinity and men's issues are really important, the section did not fit with that ethos as much as I thought. I will talk about these issues in the future as they really do matter. Overall, the section has caused an unhealthy amount of anxiety." And "Talking about men's issues and masculinity is really important, and 1 will do so again in the future with a tighter edit. I agree the message is important. I ended up removing it partly because I am not dealing with the anxiety around it, and I want to be a positive space for people, and I am not sure that section quite lived up to that."

@ameerdataya516

22 күн бұрын

@@kadalsaurus6232 Thank you for replying.

As a fan of Tolkien and Halo, the past couple years have been really rough

@bartandaelus359

Ай бұрын

Season 2 of Halo was at least a huge step up. Hopefully now that we have the Flood and we're on the Halo for S3 we can get on with it.

@smergthedargon8974

Ай бұрын

@@bartandaelus359 Maybe by S3 it'll be barely passable!

@manoz6194

Ай бұрын

Just ignore it

4 hr video I’ll never be bored at work again!!!

@hassassinator8858

Ай бұрын

Never be at work again*

2:18:20 This is actually the core of why Waterworld was so panned in it's day. as a film, it was passable, it was 'okay'. BUT it was INSANELY EXPENSIVE to make, and was "JUST okay".

I've had this on my watch later so I can watch it when I had four hours to spare, but now it's apparently two and a half hours long instead of four. What happened? Was it a KZread glitch or did large segments have to be removed due to copyright or something?

I grew up on an island and "the sea is always right" is so mind boggling, cause no seafarer would ever say that. The sea is cruel, unpredictable, it can provide bounty and misery, it will be calm one second, while in the next the waves smash your boat against the cliffs. People who are lost at sea die horrendously, for someone to almost disregard it by saying "well the sea is always right" would be quite dismissive and disrespectful and odd for a sea nation.

@LarthV

Ай бұрын

While you are absolutely right in what the sea means to the seafaring, I would say that to their credit you could also understand it in a way that rather means "The sea can do whatever she wants, you can't do anything about it." or "The sea's word (or action) is law"

@saulgoneman

Ай бұрын

Thats precisely what the quote is saying, you can't challenge the sea.

@ProgMisha

Ай бұрын

Man I hated that so much. Mostly because the idea of a national Mantra could be really cool! ThE SeA iS AlWayS RiGhT sounds lame, makes no sense and doesn't for Middle-Earth as we know it. But just workshop this idea a little: "Rise with the tide!" "The Sea Decides!"... And don't have a drill sargeant make his cadets say is. Make someone use it in normal conversation!

@dragonstormstudios8871

Ай бұрын

For what it's worth, Tolkien recognized and agreed with this. The Númenoreans loved and honoured Uinen, the maia of the sea because she could calm her wild husband Osse, who stirred the sea with waves and storms. Insofar that the Guild of Venturers who were responsible for exploring and colonizing Middle Earth were called the Uinendili, that is, Lovers of Uinen.

@eamonreidy9534

Ай бұрын

The fact that the writers probably didn't intend it be interpreted the way you describe, but that you did anyway, is indicative of the bad writing

I think the sobering thing to remember with the longest section at the end of this video for young people, is that you mustn't blockade yourself into the ideological echo chamber. As you build your worldview, who you are, and what you believe represents the truth most poignantly. That you remain challeneged by the whetstone of those you tangentally (but not wholly) agree with as a refinery of perspective. An echo chamber should give you anxiety. It certainly does me. Say hello to your future, and God bless. Happy Easter. Thanks, Tim.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Happy Easter! As a note, many of the Catholic commentaries on Rings of Power were really insightful and brought some great perspective - critical from a very different lens. ~ Tim

@UfoShotgun96

Ай бұрын

It's not really though when he ignores so mich context and actual facts to make his butchered point.

@SonOfHanni

Ай бұрын

@@UfoShotgun96oh stop it

@UfoShotgun96

Ай бұрын

@@SonOfHanni yeah why should you criticize anything right? Hellofutureme should really stop it too

@RockinAfr0

Ай бұрын

Please, listen to what Buddy has to say about sharpening your mind on that whetstone and keeping yourself open! I have a few right wing friends (I lean pretty left politically) that I enjoy hanging with. We don't agree on all topics, but we know that we can come together and discuss in peace and have friendly conversations on those topics we do not agree on. We never scream, we always let the other finish talking and we always shake hands after we're done discussing. We love eachother as friends, we understand eachother as different political ideologists, and we respect eachother as people. I am more conscious of my faults and strengths now than I ever was before I met them! Stay sharp and be kind: it will get you far!

Something you touched upon in the last segment of the video but never focused on was the controversial cast choices, specially the “diverse” actors. The only issue I ever saw was the missed opportunity in world building. Middle Earth, to my understanding, is our world. It’s essentially where Europe is in a broad sense and therefore it stands to reason, and backed up with Tolkien’s own writing such as the “Easterlings” for instance, that both Africa and Asia do exist in the world though of course they wouldn’t have their modern names. The writers could’ve enhanced the world by delving into the diverse cast’s backgrounds and what brought them to Middle Earth, for instance Princess Disa could’ve married Durin as apart of a political marriage that forged an alliance between their two dwarven houses. They could’ve explained how one of the 7 dwarf families migrated south and developed darker pigmentation due to building into the mountains of Africa while still maintaining a strong presence on the surface. She could’ve mentioned the troubles her people faced in that region of the world and what mythical creatures are there. I wished they’d used the casting choices to enhance the world so that we the audience are left wondering what’s not shown on screen and imagining the vast world that’s beyond the narrative of the story.

@AmirDarkOne

Ай бұрын

if you consider rings of power cannon, it means by the time of hobbit ,people of middle-earth killed ot exiled every non white person in a genocide.

I have been a fan of your channel for around five years now, you helped inspire and shape me to become a writer. Whilst I have/do watch some of the channels you do criticize, I do so because underneath the anger and jokes they have fair points and are experts in their knowledge. I also listen to folks on the other side and use that to formulate my own opinion. Criticism is valid, regardless of the source. I will admit it does hurt to hear your thoughts on channels like drinker, shad, and AZ but I know I have to do so because it would be unfair to just turn it off and pretend I didn't see it. A for sure seems to farm on the hate and Shad seems a bit closed minded but aren't we all to some degree? I see where you are coming from but I disagree with some of your takes as it seems a bit disengenuous and implying bisexuality or being gay with these guys seems uncalled for. Regardless, I will watch your channel as I value diversity of thought and we may not all agree but we all have hearts that beat as one. Maybe one day you could hop on a podcast with them as they are more than willing to speak with other folks they may not align 100% with. It would allow them to articulate their views to you and vice versa. All in all, you are an inspiration to me and I hope one day you will read my book once it is done. The goal is for it to be a loveletter to Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Paolini, and Sapkowski. To create a saga for my generation.

“Men are allowed to be more kinds of men than ever before.” Thank you.

@milktank8338

Ай бұрын

Except be masculine cause that's toxic apparently

@winslowpippleton7157

Ай бұрын

while drinking HOOCH...

The issue with the lines that aren’t bad is that most times they don’t make sense in context, or they’re also blatant lore contradictions like the scene with Durin and Durin. The showrunners just made up dwarven lore that is at complete odds with the dwarven lore Tolkien wrote and IS LITERALLY IN THE APPENDICES THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO. It’s a good scene if it wasn’t in a Tolkien adaptation. And it also comes after a random scene where Durin, despite no prior evidence, goes off on his dad. Again, it’s a great scene with him and Elrond, but it arrives out of nowhere and the reasoning to not delve for Mithril is stupid, actually contrived, and at odds with the lore in the books they have access to

@Richard_Nickerson

Ай бұрын

You definitely get to my main issue: most people defend the show saying "they don't have rights to The Silmarillion", but they literally told us which Appendices they were referencing & then they just didn't actually do it at all. This stuff IS in the Appendices & they DO have the rights to it.

@Themiddleborne

Ай бұрын

@@Richard_Nickerson it’s absolutely baffling. There was plenty there to come up with a show that was faithful to the 2nd Age. It seems clear to me that they just didn’t want to make a Tolkien show but their own fantasy and had to do it under the pretense of Tolkien. That after hearing the interview clips from the showrunners in this video they just have no idea how to do what they claim to be doing.

@Richard_Nickerson

Ай бұрын

@@Themiddleborne Yes, they clearly wrote a Fantasy show, but couldn't sell it, so they turned it into a "LotR" show, and that got it done.

@qugo8158

Ай бұрын

​@@Themiddleborne Exactly! What's so weird is I've seen multiple comments since the release of rings of powers saying it was good they went away from Tolkien and made their own....I read those and was just baffled by how they could say such idiotic statements. The whole point is to adapt Tolkien, not make some other fantasy.

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

The blatant and many needless lore contradictions did baffle me. So much was invented when they did not need to. ~ Tim

Would you mind going on EFAP? I noticed you never mentioned them or either of their hosts. They have had people they disagree with on in the past, and it could (!) be a good opportunity for a real exchange.

@arcuscotangens

Ай бұрын

@@ian-flanagan I would hope a discussion about opposing points of view would be immune from such inanity.

Seems like a silly criticism in the face of everything laid out in this excellent video, but I also just think Rings of Power looks bad. Like there’s something wrong with the lenses/shots/lighting/make up/costumes which all add up to it looking and feeling weirdly artificial. The exact inverse of LOTR where everything added up to feel completely real.

@anni.68

Ай бұрын

I completely agree. Many modern movies and shows have the same problem. If you are interested what's actually going wrong, I recommend a wonderful youtube video: "Why Modern Movies Look So CLEAN and How To Fix Them" by Tomorrow's Filmmakers.

wait sorry can someone tell me what's going on? I put this video on my to watch list when it came out but wasn't it supposed to be 4 hours long? I'm not really getting any wiser from the comments, is this a new and shorter version of the original vid?

@natalieshort2859

23 күн бұрын

Tim has addressed this in a few replies to comments asking a similar question. Two of his replies were: "I try to be a positive space, and while masculinity and men's issues are really important, the section did not fit with that ethos as much as I thought. I will talk about these issues in the future as they really do matter. Overall, the section has caused an unhealthy amount of anxiety." And "Talking about men's issues and masculinity is really important, and I will do so again in the future with a tighter edit. I agree the message is important. I ended up removing it partly because I am not dealing with the anxiety around it, and I want to be a positive space for people, and I am not sure that section quite lived up to that."

@msmorbid2903

22 күн бұрын

@@natalieshort2859 thank you!

@msmorbid2903

22 күн бұрын

@@silverprimus321boi9 thank you for explaining! How unexpected tbh especially because his writing content always seems so well thought out. Almost sounds like he wanted to do an hbomb segment but didn't research it well enough

@paulnavales6469

19 күн бұрын

​@@silverprimus321boi9how is it not well thought-out

I’m sorry but calling it a disappointment is a bit too generous

@stormwarrior5362

Ай бұрын

He do be polite like that.

@flockinify

Ай бұрын

It's not a disappointment, anyone who didn't expect it to suck is a fool.

@AndrewFrancisIlyrian

Ай бұрын

He is trying to dissacociate from the anti woke crowd that despises it.

@gussygamingprofessional6433

Ай бұрын

@@stormwarrior5362 I’m sorry I didn’t mean to sound rude

@AndrewFrancisIlyrian

Ай бұрын

@@gussygamingprofessional6433 why not?

Wasn't the video like 4h long? You intend to reposte the last part separatly?

@courtneylewis2415

27 күн бұрын

Tim has addressed this in a few replies to comments asking a similar question. Two of his replies were: "I try to be a positive space, and while masculinity and men's issues are really important, the section did not fit with that ethos as much as I thought. I will talk about these issues in the future as they really do matter. Overall, the section has caused an unhealthy amount of anxiety." And "Talking about men's issues and masculinity is really important, and 1 will do so again in the future with a tighter edit. I agree the message is important. I ended up removing it partly because I am not dealing with the anxiety around it, and I want to be a positive space for people, and I am not sure that section quite lived up to that."

@orcushelvetii9613

26 күн бұрын

@@courtneylewis2415 Thanks.

I've never fully engaged in a media critic's work as a viewer. I especially struggle with understanding what's being discussed, but I'm always intrigued. I would love to be educated in writing and production because learning excites me.

@morgenstern2603

Ай бұрын

If you want to learn about writing, I'd suggest you go to the channel of Brandon Sanderson. There is a Playlist titled "2020 Creative Writing Lectures at BYU", where you will find lectures he held. That's a good start, and it doesn't cost anything.

The best defense of that non existent Tolkien quote I've heard is "well you can't prove he DIDN'T say it", and I was like "yeah buddy, good one, really outsmarted me here"

@tar-elenionmaranwe1275

Ай бұрын

It was in Appendix BS...

@smergthedargon8974

Ай бұрын

"You can't prove I didn't say that." -JRR Tolkien

I being a really avid Tolkien fan really wanted Halbrand to be the witch king of angmar.....that wouldn't have violated the canon and sauron's mystery could have been left unsolved

@themsuicjunkies

Ай бұрын

There is a high chance he was Numenorean and adept at sorcery.

@DFTBA221B

Ай бұрын

That was my hope too! Would've been such a good storyline and a cool foil to Aragorn's arc.

@JustWandering

Ай бұрын

Same! Or the king from the Paths of the Dead.

@rae3781

Ай бұрын

That's what I was HOPING FOR. Can you imagine a slow burn plot with political intrigue and a slow descent into madness, being corrupted slowly by Sauron and the rings???? That would have been so fucking cool AND YET

@stefvanroey8191

Ай бұрын

Thats what i thought they were building towaeds lol

This video's ending almost made me cry. I too strive to the more like Aragorn, and I too almost struggled with my place and my worth as a man when I was younger.

I would rather watch this vid on Nebula, but I cannot find it there. Did you remove it for some reason?

@pixels4164

29 күн бұрын

He cut an hour and a half off the end of this one, which if he's doing that on Nebula might take a full reupload so I'd give it a few days

The first time I watched the show, it never even crossed my mind that there was a mystery about who Sauron was

Just like Tolkien, I am Catholic, and sometimes, when I want good reviews that touch on moral/religious themes, I go to DecentFilms, which is a site, not a YT channel, ran by a Catholic deacon. I have not read his review of Rings of Power, since I haven't watched the show myself, but after your video, I skimmed it, and it seems his conclusion for Rings of Power is quite similar to yours. That it was promising, but it ended with a whimper rather than a bang, and that it still has hope for the future. He also acknowledges the possibility that the Orcs could have redemption in this version. "I don’t love it, but I enjoy it. In this sub-sub-creation is a real reflection of Middle-earth that I’m glad for having experienced, and I continue to be open to what the storytellers are trying to do." Might consider watching the show now...

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

Tolkiem holds a really valuable place in Catholic circles for obvious reasons, and actually, I found Catholic critiques ans responses to the series really amazing. They bring a real nuance from another worldview. ~ Tim

That last quote about had me in tears. This was some heavy labor Tim and i hope you know its much appreciated

Am i crazy or this video had 4 hours? WHERE IS THE REST OF IT?

@HelloFutureMe

Ай бұрын

I try to be a positive space, and while masculinity and men's issues are really important, the section did not fit with that ethos as much as I thought. I will talk about these issues in the future as they really do matter. Overall, the section has caused an unhealthy amount of anxiety. ~ Tim

@ArturPendragonS

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe oh, I understand! It caught me off guard, since I started watching this video yesterday. But thanks for the video! It is great and sums up what I felt when watching RoP.

@dukesilver3491

Ай бұрын

​​@@HelloFutureMesorry to hear it Tim but very understandable! Provoking people like that is...not an easy thing to deal with. I thought it was a very powerful and important topic and i think you did a good job handling the subject. Love you, keep up the great work!

@stoosies

Ай бұрын

@@HelloFutureMe thanks for clarifying. I loved every minute pf this video I returned to this video late because I wanted to rewatch the wokebros section and had to scroll through lots of comments to find the reasoning for cutting it - maybe a community post or pinned comment to address would be good for people coming late?

@unnamedenemy9

26 күн бұрын

@@eyjay1508 you are entirely full of crap. He slandered no one, and as far as I can tell the worst he might have done is include people who *arne't* disingenuous woke-bros with the the actual woke bros.

This video was far more worth my time than Rings of Power 😭 felt like they were treating the audience as if they both did and didn't know the source material

4 HOURS OF FUTURE ME?! YES PLEASE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

dang, you legit had to watch this series several times. Even getting all these data sets on character screen time and how long plots took to play out. That's some real dedication. I watched most of this show on x2, some of it on higher 😅

@Broockle

Ай бұрын

holy shit, yes! I was a massive fan of Shadiversity (I still watch Shad's vids when it's just him talking about castles 😆) I watched a lot of Knightswatch and I became increasingly worried about their stance on feminism. I eventually blacklisted the whole channel cause I realized what I was watching (took me a while tho). They're cringe af.

None of my friends watched the show, so I cannot describe the catharsis I feel to finally have all of my opinions validated by this 4 hour conversation I never got to have!